Statement from Pettri Family about the murder of their Son by ICE, did you read it?

[888theGreat]

Here is their statement. Click to read. Americans don't carry their Birth Cerificates to prove they are Americans

It was murder

It was not murder

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I put bigger pic up on question Trump or Harris would win today question

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I put bigger Letter from Pettri family on msc5 question about this shooting

[Tamera952]

I saw the video (s). There is no two ways about it. It was even more clear cut than the previous murder they committed. DHS and their ugly CUNT that runs the agency wasted no time victim blaming, and mischaracterizing this guy. Fu*k her and fu*k you for even attempting to gaslight everyone.

[douride2]

I don't know enough about any of these incidents to come to a conclusion on what went down. What I do know though is I would stay as far away from any of what is going on down south. That way I would be safe.

[Hagar88]

I remember being taught by my father how not to get shot by law enforcement. One thing he said was dont pull a gun or assault them or threaten them in any way. It has worked all my life. Recently got questioned by ICE, they were perfect gentlemen.

[goaded]

You have no control over criminals, it's worse when the murderers are government agents and let off without an investigation.

[Hagar88]

@goaded its pretty bad when members of the public are attacked by criminals because politicians dont want them arrested.

[goaded]

Not as bad as the people your taxes pay for murdering with impunity. Prove me wrong.

[Hagar88]

@goaded self defence is not murder. When you get stabbed in the throat for no reason and weent doing anything or assaulting anyone its pretty bad.

[goaded]

So prove either of those murders were justifiable self-defence. I'd be happy to wait for an official investigation into the officer involved fatal shootings to conclude, but they're not going to even start one. Instead, the DoJ shuttered the standard civil rights investigation and tried to investigate the victim instead.

[Hagar88]

@goaded Justifiable self-defense in the U. S. allows the use of reasonable, proportional force—including deadly force—to protect against an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm. It requires an honest and reasonable belief that danger is immediate. Key legal doctrines include "stand your ground" (no duty to retreat) and "castle doctrine" (protection in the home).
Core Components of Self-Defense
Imminence: The threat must be ongoing or immediate, not a future or past threat.
Reasonableness: A "reasonable person" in the same situation would believe that force was necessary.
Proportionality: The force used must match the level of threat (e. g., deadly force for deadly threat).
No Initial Aggressor: The person claiming self-defense cannot be the one who initiated the violent altercation, unless they have withdrawn in good faith.
Key Legal Principles
Stand Your Ground: In many states, individuals have no duty to retreat and can use force in any place they are legally allowed to be.
Castle Doctrine: Individuals generally have no duty to retreat if they are attacked in their own home.
Duty to Retreat: Some jurisdictions require that a person attempt to retreat safely before using deadly force, unless they are in their home.
Limitations
Retaliation: Force cannot be used after the threat has ended.
Preemptive Strike: Killing someone based on a suspicion of future danger is not justified.
Provocation: A person who provokes a fight cannot claim self-defense.

[goaded]

Yes, those are the laws. Now show that the ICE agent didn't deliberately put himself in the path of the car in defiance of all LEO training, but only just enough to give a plausible excuse for shooting the driver, not enough to actually get seriously injured (a known border patrol tactic).

Tell us how 10 shots at a disarmed man on the floor was proportionate.

Also consider which state they were in: Minnesota (hint: duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety, Ross could have taken one step to the side to get to absolute safety beside the car).

[Hagar88]

@goaded the car wasn't moving and like any pedestrian shouldn't be run over. Just the other day there was a person in front of my vechile, I didn't hit the gas and try to run them over. I waited until they were safely on the safe walk.

[goaded]

"the car wasn't moving" Training says vehicles with the engine running, which it was. Nice try.

So, which of the laws you listed are relevant to the murders? Was 10 shots at a disarmed man on the floor proportionate? Could Ross have taken a step to the side? Did Ross get seriously injured by the car that wasn't in any way prevented from taking the path it did by him murdering the driver?

[Hagar88]

@goaded car hit him and with her behind the wheel presented a clear and present danger just like any gun man who pauses between shots.

[goaded]

Of course you didn't answer the questions.

There's no evidence she hit him with the car, and absolute proof that he wasn't going to be seriously injured by the fact he walked away when the car's direction wasn't changed by his murdering of the driver. How do you suggest she going to get her car to move sideways into him?

State law has a duty to retreat when one can do so with absolute safety, Ross could have taken one step to the side to get to absolute safety beside the car. He was already there when he took his final two shots.

Was 10 shots at a disarmed man on the floor proportionate? Could Ross have taken a step to the side? Did Ross get seriously injured by the car that wasn't in any way prevented from taking the path it did by him murdering the driver?

[Twodogs0525]

@goaded I just love how it changed! Originally, the agent wasn't in front of the car. Then, the agent could have been in front of the car but wasn't hit by it. Then, yes, the agent was in front of the car and was hit but threw himself in front of it? You are fucking pathetic.

[Twodogs0525]

Oh, and the agent actually went to the hospital with injuries that the Mayor of Minneapolis mocked.

[Hagar88]

@Twodogs0525 yeah they can't keep their story straight.

[Twodogs0525]

And, there is NOTHING in a manual that says you can't walk in front of an occupied car.. Law enforcement does it ALL THE TIME!

[888theGreat]

@Twodogs0525 The Agent moved in front of the car Then moved Back TO side. Apparently You didn't even watch video

[Twodogs0525]

I don't even know what you're saying..

[Hagar88]

Moved back to the side after getting hit otherwise hed have been under the wheels

[goaded]

@Twodogs0525 I don't think I said any of those things. I've said he wasn't knocked down by the car, wasn't in hospital, and wasn't "lucky to be alive" (Trump's lies), since proven by his own video from the phone he didn't even drop, and that there's no video evidence that he was even hit, the closest they've come is a bang as said phone, in his hand, probably touches the car.

Add to that that the video from the other side of the street that would show exactly where the agents all were was cut off seconds before the shooting by DHS and there's reasonable grounds to suspect there's evidence that Ross was at fault.

There's also the "fucking bitch" comment, which speaks to state of mind.

[goaded]

"Moved back to the side after getting hit otherwise hed have been under the wheels"

HOW would he have been "under the wheels"? The car didn't change direction and, if anything, sped up when she murdered her.

Don't you get it? Nobody believes the lies being told about civilians being shot by DHS agents any more, we have eyes and video evidence.

[Hagar88]

@goaded we all seen the body cam. He got hit by a large vechile by a crazy woman

[goaded]

There was no body cam, and his hand-held phone camera doesn't show him being hit by the car, that's your imagination.

[Hagar88]

@goaded we all saw the body cam footage.

[goaded]

Well, no, because it was a mobile phone recording, and I know for a fact it does not show Ross and any part of his body in contact with the car. There's a bang and almost simultaneous sound of a shot, but the camera isn't pointing at the car or him and could very easily be him touching the car with his left hand.

What probably does prove the point is the video the DHS released from the other side of the road. For some reason they forgot to include the part where the shooting started. Strange, that, if it proved he was actually hit by the car while trying to get out of its way. I mean it would shut up all those crazy people who think that just because he didn't drop his phone and walked around after the event he wasn't hit by the car.

Why do you think they stopped the presumably exculpatory video 4 seconds early?

[Hagar88]

@goaded body cam shows him getting hit by the car and bring barely able to get out if the way.

[goaded]

How many times are you going to say "body cam", as if it were true? Or is there video from an actual body cam that I haven't seen? Ross was recording with a mobile phone held in his hand, which he didn't even drop when you say he "Moved back to the side after getting hit otherwise hed have been under the wheels" (of the car that didn't stop).

What about the video from an upstairs window that clearly (even on the multiply-re-encoded version) shows the positions of all the participants in the run up to the shooting but stops 4s before the shots were fired? Do you think that would prove his innocence? Then why hasn't DHS released it?

[Hagar88]

@goaded body cam shows the truth.

[goaded]

I said: "How many times are you going to say "body cam", as if it were true?" It seems your answer is "forever". Ross was recording with a mobile phone held in his hand, which he didn't even drop.

What about the video from an upstairs window that clearly (even on the multiply-re-encoded version) shows the positions of all the participants in the run up to the shooting but stops 4s before the shots were fired? Do you think that would prove his innocence? Then why hasn't DHS released it?

[Lliam]

It was an execution. He did not pull a gun on officers or threaten them in any way.

[888theGreat]

They made up the narrative and MAGA bought it

[Lliam]

@888thegreat. You're right.
Thanks for the MHO.

[Avicenna]

Bringing a firearm and two magazines to a confrontation with federal law enforcement is to anyone with a brain a terrible idea. Yet we have leftist extremists calling for it and doing it. Interestingly, Minnesota AG Keith Ellison stated back in 2024 that it wasn't legal for protestors to bring firearms to protests, which suggests that the anti-ICE extremists didn't see what they were doing as "protests".

[cherrytreeblossom]

@Avicenna driving cars is also more dangerous than if you didn't. so should we blame you dying in a traffic accident also on you alone bc you shouldve known better than to drive a car? what about jaywalking, should cops shoot jaywalkers now? what about sports? what about swimming in the ocean? what about being married, when most grapes and abductions happen within families? what about the "peaceful protestors" on jan 6th who were just as armed but far more violent?

[888theGreat]

@cherrytreeblossom Right , if everyone stayed home there would be no car wrecks

[cherrytreeblossom]

if we locked up every single person, we would've solved crime. yay!

[Avicenna]

@cherrytreeblossom: Your pathetic straw men are typical leftist nonsense. Not only don't they come close to fitting the fact pattern of the recent incident, it ignores the larger context of leftist politicians and agitators calling for violence against ICE agents, the many death threats against them and the much greater inherent danger posed by anti-ICE extremists in close proximity with firearms.

On January 6, 2021, the only person shot was killed by a Capitol policeman who had no business being employed as one (he had, for example, left his loaded issue firearm in a Capitol mens room). Funny how no other Capitol policeman but him fired- it was because discharging one's firearm in that set of circumstances was inappropriate. And the Capitol policeman was not prosecuted.

[Avicenna]

Nice reductio ab absurdum, cherry.

[cherrytreeblossom]

the fact that cop-killers exist (mostly in prison) now apparently allows us-cops to gun down any person in public still believing in the second amendment. MAGAts should be ashamed of calling themselves conservatives.

[888theGreat]

And Kyle Rittrnhouse?

[Dargil]

It was stupid Democrats interfering with law enforcement. Until Democrats learn to stop misbehaving, There are more people that will drop. The way that you can avoid getting shot is by behaving yourself and staying away from law enforcement who is doing their jobs. When you step into the line of fire, you risk everything..

[Avicenna]

The leftists targeting ICE agents are part of a very organized and well-funded terrorist organization that has the support of politicians in Minnesota.

[exitseven]

it is a shame that their son was killed but the real blame is on Jacob Frey and Tim Walz. They are the ones that encouraged the riots.

The democrats count on a number of people that are so deranged that all they need is a little push and they put themselves into dangerous situations and get themselves killed.

[888theGreat]

Like the Capital riots were on Trump?

[exitseven]

Trump urged people to march Peacefully and Patriotically. The fake news always leaves that part out.

[goaded]

"Former Special Counsel Jack Smith told lawmakers that President Donald Trump was responsible for the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U. S. Capitol and staunchly defended his efforts to prosecute the president, according to a newly released transcript of his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee.

"Our view of the evidence was that he caused it and that he exploited it and that it was foreseeable to him," Smith said of Trump's alleged culpability for the Capitol riot."
eu.usatoday.com/.../

[exitseven]

@goaded and we all know how Jack Smith ended up.

[888theGreat]

@goaded He is believable . I have watched hours of him answering questions. he has MAGA people set up to testify against Trump.

[exitseven]

he will be in an orange jumpsuit. He told one lie on top of the next.

[goaded]

This is from his testimony under oath (something Trump will never give).
"I made my decisions in the investigation without regard to President Trump's political association, activities, beliefs, or candidacy in the 2024 Presidential election.

We took our actions based on the facts and the law, the very lessons I learned early in my career as a prosecutor.

We followed Justice Department policies and observed legal requirements.

The timing and speed of our work reflects the strength of the evidence and our confidence that we would have secured convictions at trial.

If asked whether to prosecute a former President based on the same facts today, I would do so regardless of whether that President was a Republican or a Democrat."
judiciary.house.gov/.../...t_Redacted-w-Errata.pdf

"in fact, one of the strengths of our case and why we felt we had such strong proof is all witnesses were not going to be political enemies of the President.

They were going to be political allies.

We had numerous witnesses who would say, "I voted for President Trump. I campaigned for Trump President Trump. I wanted him to win." The Speaker of the House in Arizona. The Speaker of the House in Michigan.

We had an elector in Pennsylvania who is a former Congressman who was going to be an elector for President Trump who said that what they were trying to do was an attempt to overthrow the government and illegal.

Our case was built on, frankly, Republicans who put their allegiance to the country before the party.

And so the President got information from people he trusted on other issues.

He rejected it whenever it didn't fit him staying in office."

[DonaldDarko]

Wouldn't be the first time some commie got himself blown away. Shouldn't have been there fucking with federal law enforcement in the first place. Oh well, FAFO.

[Likes2drive]

Sounds like excessive use of force. It seems like they are immune from prosecution and not very well trained,

[Mike_Hum]

They should be upset that Tim Waltz and the democrat party has worked up these easily influenced people to go attack law enforcement. This is an insurrection. It needs to be put down.

[888theGreat]

No, attacking ICE would be head shots , which I can now see Happening soon.

[888theGreat]

I won't shed a tear and figure they have it coming to them.

[Mike_Hum]

And yet you sill sit in your living room in a dirty wife beater, alone and angry.

[888theGreat]

And you with Kill all Hispanics and Black people signs in your Mom's Basement. Are you still a member with the Klan?

[888theGreat]

You support the molester no me

[888theGreat]

How many have you?

[XXblack88]

I can't read that small letters

[888theGreat]

Increase your font size to 150%

[XXblack88]

Thank you

[beefcakebradybatson]

No, but it WAS murder.