Should we be ashamed of western support for violence against Iran?

[Lynx122]

Did you know that the U. S. U. K. Australia, West Germany, France Italy and the Netherlands helped Iraq develop a chemical weapons program and from 1983 to 1988 Iraq killed 50 000 Iranians with Mustard Gas and Sarin Gas and if you include the long term effects, the deaths are 100 000. That's the same amount of people who were killed in the entire world war 1 with chemical weapons. And the U. S. provided the intelligence for the attacks to Iraq. But Iran did not retaliate with chemical weapons they believe chemical and nuclear weapons are a sin and they refused to use them even though it lost them the war.

Also the U. S. supports a terror organisation called the MEK that has killed 12000 - 17000 Iranian people. They removed them from the terror list so they can operate freely in western countries and make money to kill more people in Iran. And there hasn't been a single terror attack in the U. S. that was organized by the state of Iran during this regime. The number 1 state sponsor of terrorism is the U. S. and it's not even close second place is probably Saudi Arabia who are U. S. allies. The most lethal terrorist groups like ISIS and the Taliban are not affiliated with Iran at all but the U. S. has supported them on many occasions.

We can't forget that the U. S. and U. K. overthrew a democratically elected leader Mossadegh in 1953 because the U. K. was exploiting Iran for oil money to try and finance their crumbling empire. This led to the Shah's reign who used secret police torture and executions to keep people in check but the west didn't mind back then because he was more easy to work with. When the Shah was overthrown the religious faction was the most organized and was able to take power even though many other factions like students and workers were also part of the revolution.

Now the U. S. and Israel attacked without any justification and bombed double digit schools and hospitals the U. K. Germany and France are still supporting this. It is sick.

[Anonymous]

Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then, when the Ayatollah has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Iran's decades long Jihad, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Islam than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.

You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and Islamic slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin - just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard 'round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn't die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it's a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our Iranian enemies, "There is a price we will not pay." "There is a point beyond which they must not advance." And this - this is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater's "peace through strength." Winston Churchill said, "The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we're spirits - not animals." And he said, "There's something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."

You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.

We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of Islamic darkness.

[OlderAndWiser]

In 1938, Neville Chamberlain did everything he could to appease Hitler, and less than a year later, England was forced to declare war on Germany. That is how appeasement works.

[Opinion Owner]

@OlderAndWiser exactly and the Nazis could have been stopped in 1938 before they got their hands on all that czechoslovakian weaponry and the skoda works.

[OlderAndWiser]

Feel free to follow me if you would like.

[Opinion Owner]

@OlderAndWiser When Nazi Germany occupied Czechoslovakia in March 1939, it seized a "huge weapons haul" that significantly bolstered the Wehrmacht's strength. According to official Nazi figures later reported by Hitler, the captured equipment included:
Small Arms: Over 1,090,000 rifles, 43,000 machine guns, and 114,000 pistols.
Armoured Vehicles: 469 tanks, primarily the LT vz. 35 and LT vz. 38 (renamed Panzer 35(t) and 38(t)), which at the time were superior in reliability and firepower to many German light tanks.
Artillery: 2,175 field guns and cannons, plus 500 anti-aircraft guns.
Aviation: Nearly 1,600 aircraft, though many were biplanes relegated to training or secondary roles.
Ammunition: Approximately 1 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition and 3 million rounds of anti-aircraft ammunition.
The takeover provided enough equipment to arm roughly half of the Wehrmacht at that time. In the early campaigns of WWII, Czechoslovak tanks played a vital role:
Poland (1939): Czech-built tanks made up about 10.5% of the armour deployed.
France (1940): They accounted for roughly 15% to 20% of German tanks, significantly increasing the Wehrmacht's effective strike force.

[OlderAndWiser]

The price of kicking the can down the road through appeasement!

[Opinion Owner]

@OlderAndWiser 45 years of appearing Iran has gotten us here. Every year they've got bolder knowing there will be no come back on anything they do.

[OlderAndWiser]

I agree 100%. Iran is one of the two biggest global threats to peace and I am glad to see us destroying their military capabilities, even if the price of gasoline goes up to $5.00 for a few months.

[Lynx122]

Ehm I think Israel and the U. S. were the agressors and Iran tried to appease them until it was literally not possible anymore. Your idea that Iran will take over the world is ridiculous.

[OlderAndWiser]

That is your opinion and I will accord it the weight I think it deserves.

[katiesmuff]

I think Iran is a problem child, but I do not think our attack on them was necessary at all and just being used by our demented president as a way to keep the Epstein stuff out of the media. This narcissistic SOB will use any way to get the Epstein papers on a back burner as he does not want the actual information to come forward which would prove beyond a doubt he is just a lousy Pedafile.

[Lliam]

I agree with you. Those are facts.

While Iran has never attacked anyone, Israel has been committing genocide in Palestine and constantly attacking neighboring countries.

As you said, Iran has no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs because it considers such things to be immoral.

The reason the U. S. and Israel are attacking Iran is because Iran is a barrier to Israel's ability to continue its atrocities and desire to move forward with its Yinon (Greater Israel) plan.

Contrary to the fake excuses for attacking Iran, that country has the moral high ground in defending itself and other Israeli victims in the region.

[loveslongnails]

Yes, since Iran was not a threat to the USA, which is why the counter-terrorism chief resigned.

We should be ashamed that Trump is President. Again. Supporting Trump is moronic and his cult is filled with idiots.

We should be ashamed that all the information and statements made by victims in the Epstein files is being ignored or written off as "unprovable", especially the rape and murders that were witnessed.

Can you imagine what would be going on if Obama or Biden were accused of raping little girls? Clinton is in there, but no one's accusing him of the sorts of things Trump did.

That's what duh-Merica should be ashamed of.

[OlderAndWiser]

How much of the story did you omit “for convenience?”

[DryGermanGuy]

Germany and other European nations spoke clearly about not participating in this war.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/mar/16/iran-war-live-updates-news-oil-trump-hormuz-dubai-airport-israel-targets

[Berethor]

Just look at how your beloved iranian regime and then try to keep defending it again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests

[goaded]

What is it with the right when they claim that because you don't think someone should be murdered or locked up without a hearing you must love them? ↗

[strateguy632]

"the U. S. U. K. Australia, West Germany, France Italy and the Netherlands helped Iraq" in 1980s that part is true because iran had attacked u. S. us. But not help chemical. in fact u. S. Attacked Iraq to destroy chemicals called "wmd".

[strateguy632]

in your conclusion "Now the U. S. and Israel attacked" to remove the threat not "without any justification'. Worse an Iran rocket blew up a jew prayer temple called synagogue in Israel last week like destroying a mosque! +Last but not least "the U. K. Germany and France' DO NOT support trump in this. not "still supporting this. It is sick." Macron france wants to escort ships in the gulf but better to destroy iran rockets that threaten shipping.

[Lynx122]

No the chemical weapons program was discontinued in 1991. The Bush administration just used it as a excuse to start a war. They did not find any WMDs during the Iraq war.

[CalmUntilAbused]

I made it my policy a long time ago to only be ashamed of what is my actual fault. I do not support the Western violence against Iran, not even the current one (even though I do support MAGA in almost every single matter other than this), so it is not my fault and I have no reason to be ashamed of it.

[Zack-Bann]

Go ahead and be ashamed all you want
Just don’t bring “we” into it.


The people of Iran are happy.
The neighboring countries where Iran have sown corruption and terrorism are happy.


Anyone who wants a world without constant fear of a nuclear powered hoy Jihad, is perfectly fine with the current state of affairs


This war only looks painful but it’s beyond necessary and long overdue

[Shiprex]

The US and most of it's allies have blood on their hands and that is wrong, the excuse right now has zero justification apart from that it's used to distract the cult and media from the Pedo Prince President being held accountable for doing things to 13 year olds that he shouldn't have

[Abbycado]

I am never in favor of this sort of thing. There seems to be no point to this one, like many others.

[Master_Debator]

No Iran's leader Mojtaba is obviously gay. According to their own rules, he had to be thrown off a building.

You eat up too much bullshit news... chill out or we'll bomb you too.

[MrChinaski]

Ummmm... I hold the US and Israel accountable for their actions. To blame others suggest a loss of connection with reality.

[Lynx122]

Well other countries have supported this system for decades. Now we've reached the turning point where countries are turning away from the U. S. and Israel but we've reached this point because of the willingness to play along. I think it's good that things are changing now but we can't just forget the past.

[FunkyMonkee]

Were they ever ashamed for violence against Americans or anyone else? How about the 40,000 they just killed of their own people a few weeks ago?

[Anonymous]

You mean supporting the Iranian people in removing the controlling regime and seeing them all celebrate and thank the US for the help?

[Lynx122]

That is literally propaganda nonsense. Trump himself said publicly they were arming the so called protesters. You just want to believe this. The U. S. has done this in every country they've wanted to topple. They find someone to arm even terrorist groups like ISIS and Al Quaeda and then they call them freedom fighters in the media and say the people need to be freed. The fact that you still fall for this shit after decades is a bit concerning. You know when the U. S. bombed schools and hospitals I don't think they were celebrating.

[Dargil]

No we shouldn't. It's justified by the violence they were preparing for.

[beefcakebradybatson]

War, what is it good for? IT ENRICHES ARMAMENTS DEALERS !!!

[Xawyx-2]

Yes, I believe so.

[Xawyx-2]

But our government's decisions always suck anyway :P

[loveyouoak]

Yes, you should.

[Pterodon]

Oh cry me a river