Are people from the Middle East and North Africa considered white?

[ironsteelbirade]

How do you view them and how do you think they should be classified?

all or a majority yes

some are white some are not

none are white

[Zack-Bann]

The MENA region part of the oldest recorded world in out history.
What that means is over the thousands of years it has been inhabited by layers and layers of different ethnic groups.
And the way ethnicity works is like an ancestry tree.


Many Middle Eastern people today share DNA with ethnicities that are also ancestors to white peoples, more often southern European


Because “white” is a broad category. The Europeans who are the recorded origin of the white race are split into my sub-races within themselves


So the short answer is: some are whiter than others in the middle east and North Africa

[Zack-Bann]

as a side note: Steve Kerr is a poor example for white middle eastern.

While both he and his father were born in Beirut, they don’t have any Middle Eastern ancestry.
Both of Steve’s parents and 4 grandparents were Americans

[ironsteelbirade]

Is this true, he said he's lebanese.
Calvin Kattar can be used as well.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Subraces are considered obselete

[RavVid]

As boys and girl have been boys and girls for a long time, the DNA of North Africa & the Mediterranean is very jumbled up. The melting has been well stirred.

We have absolute proof the boys and girls couldn't even keep it their pants for their own species. It has always been 'ooh nice tits' in practice.

The Mediterranean olive skin bronzes up pretty well. I'm Black Scots and I do, where as a Scots friend (without Spanish Armada blood in him), has to be careful of getting too much moonshine or he gets burnt. Where you live can change your skin tone.

If you look at the Fayium Mummy Portraits in Cleopatra's you will see about every shade

[ironsteelbirade]

Funny how most of North Africa is Muslim.

[RavVid]

Egypt was conquered by Islam approx 640 AD. Before then it was Christian and before then it was a mish mash of Egyptian, Roman and Greek pagan Gods. North Africa is Muslin because of Islam conquest.

They will say they are Arabs but DNA shows they are mostly not. Conquerors always fuck the local girls of course so there is Arabic DNA contributions but mostly the DNA is Levant..

[ironsteelbirade]

North Africans are not levantine or Arab, although Egyptians and Libyans are very close to Arabs genetically, so ig you could say that.

[RavVid]

Thanks for a mho.

DNA is the best guide on who has been fucking who on a regular basis.

Take Egyptian modern DNA. About 70-80% is from ancient North African populations, 8-15% from sub-Saharan black dudes (there were black Pharoahs) and 17% Arabic DNA. The later isn't much given they were in charge for more than a 1,000 years. Maybe they only fancied 17% of gyps.

Something of a surprise is it the Greek guys scarcely fucked the local girls at all during Cleopatra's days.

So I think we have to say Egyptians are more Arabic cultured than Arabic DNA'ed.

There is a big DNA diff between European and North Africa populations. The Corded Ware and Bell Beaker guys got right in amongst the euro girls of the day. So much so the Y chromosome was nearly completely replaced in Europe.

In contrast the ancient ethnic Y chromosome (E-M81) still predominates in North Africa whilst R1a and R1b do in Europe. Arabic y chromosome is J1-M267.

So we pretty much know who knocked up all the girls.

[FreyaRed]

Generally north Africans came like majority of European from Asian steppes and mixed with existing local population like this happened in Europe. The difference is that local population in north Africa was Negroid while European hunter gatherer came from Anatolia.

[Tamera952]

I don’t ever think about “them” —nor try to “classify” them…. Jesus.

If they look white, then people assume they’re white, it’s just not something I spend any time thinking about.

[ironsteelbirade]

White itself is a look

[KostasKouvalis]

I voted B. It depends where they're from. Though anthropologists would say YES, but in reality some are some aren't. On our census there's even a category, "White: Non-Hispanic/North African/Middle Eastern"

[Anonymous]

White means European ancestry. If they have a certain percentage of European ancestry in them then yes they are white. Where you live or where you were born doesn’t change your ancestry dna.

[ironsteelbirade]

Then why did Hitler discriminate against europeans. Also how much European ancestry, for example ashkenazi jews and Pakistani people have ancient european admixture.

[Opinion Owner]

A person needs to take an ancestry DNA test if they want to find out the percentage of European ancestry than have

[ironsteelbirade]

But if you just see them, they are white regardless right. Like if you saw Babe Ruth walking down the street, and he was Lebanese, does it matter, still white.

[Anonymous]

They're white to me since I'm black. However, white people might not consider them white.

[Xoirwinkan]

Just because they have lighter skin than black people, doesn't mean they're white. Whites originate from Europe in a modern sense.

[ironsteelbirade]

So if you saw one of these people on the street and they are closely related to europeans you would ask for a dna test or would you just go "white guy" in your head?

[Anonymous]

Do you have eyes? can you see colors? do you own a mirror? do you have a brain?

You know how your teachers in school said there's no such thing as a dumb question well that doesn't apply to grown ass adults and it sure doesn't apply to this question either

[ironsteelbirade]

Bro explained nothing and just spent 2 sentences saying "dumb"

[Opinion Owner]

Glad you know how to read

[ironsteelbirade]

ha ha grandpa

[Opinion Owner]

Aww guess someone needs to be put in a time out or have their diaper changed ha kid

[Dargil]

Why does that matter to you?

[ironsteelbirade]

I like this stuff and debating it

[Dargil]

Picking a fight?

[ironsteelbirade]

what are you saying silly

[Dargil]

English words.

[strateguy632]

I think so but they call themselves sand.

[888theGreat]

Nope

[ironsteelbirade]

none at all or some