Do you consider Trans Women Real Women?

[Razberry_pumpkin]

No I dont. I consider them men playing dress up. Real Women to me are people who have a vagina, a uterus, have periods, and can give birth. I also believe trans women shouldn't be in womens spaces because they aren't women even if they call themselves that. I also feel like some men pretend to be women just to get horny around real women. There should be laws banning trans women from going into womens spaces.

Yes

No

A total of 63 votes were cast: 15 girls and 48 guys. See detailed results

[Lliam]

Absolutely not. The idea is laughable.

A real woman has a clitoris, vagina, cervix, uterus and ovaries. Those organs produce female hormones. Female breasts can produce milk to nurture infants. Women's bone structure is identifiable and different from male bone structure.
Only women menstruate, can get pregnant and give birth.

There are various reasons why some men want to identify as women but none of them are healthy.

Men can never understand what it is like to live in a female body or experience being female, so they resort to parody. They try to imitate women. They are transvestites.

No mad-science drugs or procedures can turn a man into a woman. They can only change a person's appearance. It is little different from wearing a female hair style, make up, and feminine clothes.

Performing transitioning treatment on people should be seen as a crime against humanity.

Trans-women should not be humored as being women. They should not be allowed to compete in women's sports or beauty pageants. And they should not have access to women's only facilities.

Trans should not even be acknowledged a real.

There is a transhumanist agenda behind the push to accept and normalize the idea of transgenderism/trans-sexuality.

[Sangita93]

In different contexts, womanhood is defined in various ways, from innate personal identity to specific biological or legal classifications. In society, healthcare, and human rights, gender identity defines womanhood. While they were assigned male at birth, trans women undergo social, legal, and in most cases medical changes to live authentically as women. Ultimately, trans women are recognized as women by major medical organizations, and within the general global community. Therefore, trans women are real women. Trans women can have satisfying sex lives, but generally they cannot give birth to children. Because of medical advancements like uterine transplants are being studied, they are not yet a clinical reality today, but it cannot be ignored for near future. To start a family, trans women often use fertility preservation - freezing sperm - before medical transition to use with a surrogate or partner. Trans women who undergo gender-affirming bottom surgery – vaginoplasty - can have penetrative sex, as the surgery creates a functional vagina. It is observed that many trans women maintain active sex lives without surgery, often exploring different hormone regimens and preferences. Trans women do not have uterus, ovaries, or fallopian tubes, which are necessary to carry a pregnancy. Because of a very complicated surgical procedure, successful uterine transplants have allowed cisgender women - those assigned female at birth - to give birth, the procedure is still in its initial stage and mostly done as an experiment, it is not currently available for most trans women.

[strateguy632]

so like in science the mother that hunts is trans?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Why not? There are plenty of cis women born without a uterus or can't have babies for some reason so your description is flawed anyway. A woman's life, worth, or defining traits doesn't get narrowed down to our reproductive organs. Thinking so makes you no better than a misogynistic man.

[Razberry_pumpkin]

Doesn’t matter

[Razberry_pumpkin]

Men who think they are women are delusional and mentally ill and have no business in society trying to force that delusional on cis people

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

So you went from having a reason to disagree with them to straight up abandoning that argument just so you could hate transwomen. You didn't even mention transmen which means you bit into the apple of the fear mongering that this political climate has fed to you.

"Transwomen are the enemy"

None of them are forcing anything on cis people. All they ask is to be respected and treated civilly just like you would anyone else. If you can't muster up that level of energy then it makes you the mentally ill one.

[ohsheeT]

People can play dress up all they want and that's fine

But if you can't get pregnant if you can't have a period Then you are not a woman and people should just stop pretending but they don't want to and that's their choice I guess

Just like if a girl Wants To Be A Boy if she doesn't have a dick that came with her when she was brought to Earth then she's not a boy

People are going to bitch and moan about this but that's just the way it is that's true life right there

[4ngelic]

No, real women are only bio women. i think real trans people are valid (by real I mean people who have gender dysphoria since childhood for biological reasons. Real transgenderism is a form of being intersex) but they're not 'real' women, because they're biologically male.

[MrChinaski]

And intersex people?

[MrChinaski]

Depending on definitions perhaps 0.1% perhaps as much as 1% of the population are intersex. They aren't trivial numberss.

[4ngelic]

@MrChinaski intersex people are valid

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Yup.

Because I won't try to argue against gender dysphoria, it's not morally acceptable for me to tell someone:

• What they feel
• What they should feel
• What they have to feel
• What I want them to feel
• ... You see my point

[MrChinaski]

"I also believe trans women shouldn't be in women's spaces because they aren't women even if they call themselves that."

As a rough, ballpark estimate, how many times has that actually happened to you in the past 22 years? 10,000 times? 10 times? 1 time? 0 times?

[Razberry_pumpkin]

Plenty bc at the high school I went to, it was very pro-lgbtq so trans men would come in the girls bathroom while I was in there all the time and it was uncomfortable bc some of them had a crush on me and I had classes with some of them and they were very rude when I rejected them

[MerakSahibi]

By that logic, should there be spaces reserved specifically for lesbian women?

[MerakSahibi]

His face may genuinely be pretty in a feminine way, but what makes us male or female are our XX and XY chromosomes. Science is not advanced enough to change that. We could call it modified.

But what I find strange is this: how can someone who identifies as transgender say, 'I feel like the opposite sex'? If you've never actually been the opposite sex, how can you know what it feels like to be one? Where does your idea of what 'being the opposite sex' feels like come from?

[Snowman84]

I consider them Trans women. I wouldn’t date a trans woman because I’m not comfortable being with a person who isn’t biologically female. That said I don’t hate trans people, and I believe they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as everyone else.

[slatyb]

I'm not going to argue about the meaning of "woman", it's pointless. Number of assaults of cis women in restrooms by trans women -- zero. Transwomen are regularly assaulted by cis men, a gang attacked a group of transwomen in Seattle last September.

[Razberry_pumpkin]

Doesn’t matter. Men should be going in women’s bathrooms

[slatyb]

How many trans women have you met?

[Razberry_pumpkin]

Too many to count lol bc the high school I went to was pro lgbtq and I had plenty of trans people in my class, one of them had a crush on me, one of my siblings is trans, and in college, I was randomly placed in the lgbtq dorm building

[foxsquirrell]

Absolutely not. Trans women are trans women NOT women. Women are born so not made.

It is ridiculous to even ask this question. And even more ridiculous to stupid laws that they made about trans women and all the mess out there under the rainbow flag.

[Anonymous]

No. They're men playing dress-up and imposing their delusions on women.

[AngryCarl3]

No, but you're way wrong about one thing. Trans "women" totally believe that they are real women, and they don't want to get into your pants because they ain't into you.

[BCRanger10]

No I don't, because they are objectively NOT!

[Bklynbadboy12]

Nope a trans woman is a man that had surgery to look like the sex they identified with

[Staximus]

Calling myself a tree doesn’t make me tree. I’m not catering to somebody’s mental illness and going along with all that bullshit

[Amur8711]

Sorry accidentally hit Yes. I was agreeing with you on your thoughts and hit yes in agreement.

No I do not thing Trans woman are women, also Trans men are not men.

[Paige2006]

No I don't. A person can claim he's anything but it doesn't mean he is.

[dudeinohio]

I do not. DNA determines gender. I won't hate on them, though. Whatever makes them happy.

[Anonymous]

Of course not. There is no such thing as a woman who born with XY chromosomes.

[Iron_Man]

No they are not

[Anonymous]

Trans women aren’t female

[Dargil]

Women have XX chromosomes.

[Likes2drive]

Not biologically that’s for sure

[Pterodon]

Fuck no

[strateguy632]

i don't know

[Danny_dan92]

Absolutely not

[Still-alive]

yes..

[Razberry_pumpkin]

Why?

[Still-alive]

because no one gets to decide how a person chooses to live their life.

[KostasKouvalis]

Of course not

[Anonymous]

some of them turn me on so yes

[TonyMetal___86]

Ofc not!

[jahaims]

I'm not mentally ill

[abc--123]

Not at all

[MasterKS]

They are not.