I’ll leave some links to videos that are relevant to my question but it’s like male gamers love to gate keep games so much. It’s annoying asf, one time I was literally just playing vr chat with one of my other friends and these group of boys just made rape jokes about how they would rape us. It was super disturbing, who tf even makes jokes like that and this type of stuff isn’t even the worst that’s happened to me since I love play cod and cod lobbies are extremely toxic. On top of that it’s like a universal thing female gamers have to go threw.
Why is this, it’s like men think they own gaming or something. And they make fun if gamers girls if they’re “trash” when in reality why can’t they just enjoy a god damn game without the toxicity, it’s just a game and they take it so concerning.
I love gaming and me and my best friend (male; so they don’t really have to worry about this) want to start streaming soon for fun but I’m worried I’m going to have to go threw bs since I’m a poc female gamer. Does any other female gamers go threw the same thing, and do other male gamers know why this happen\gate keep games from women and why?
So I sawed a short video documentary or interviews. I can't remember the video title for the life of me right now. However, from what I studied on this matter a couple of years ago about like Gamer gate and A. Sarkeesian. I found that it comes down to the inception of video games and the marketing behind it.
History is very important to understanding today's attitudes and assumptions as messages or what people think as truths are somethings just misguided ads or harmful stereotypes or paid science research papers.
I will focus more on Ads and Stereotypes. So first of all we have to remember that Men created a lot of the technology we use today and that Men were the gate (and are kind of still) of Science and Tech. Women have had a hard time entering the work force because of the attitudes towards women back in the day. Hell even now some countries, cultures, religions still strongly believe in the Patriarchy; that women should just do house work while men do everything else. My point is that History, labor, education, science, and technology are Male dominated even to this day.
So the whole gamer gate issue became a talking point and a bad rap for Anita Sarkeesian, does raise an important issue about women and video games. Most games are tailored around men/boys as main characters and play as the hero. While she purposed solutions or tried... researching... they ultimately fell through. And I don't think she ever made a game for women. As side from her missteps, lets focus on the game industry after her? outburst? I think this lead to two major games with strong female leads such as Horizon Zero Dawn and Last of Us part 2. (and maybe Walking dead telltale games season 3+). Her point was valid although it was met with opposition. Games then and even now still lack strong female characters. And when they are introduced they are usually a support role or a love interest for the male character to build off of. However, when there are female characters they aren't portrayed very well or have little to no character. One example of a controversial female lead is Lara Croft from Tomb Raider, yes she is a bad-ass however, at the same time sexualized. Now the newer games made her more tough and have more character. Another would be Samus from Metroid while... its old and contains little dialogue the character's gender wasn't revealed until you beat the game. It stood out because it was hard, and the shock factor of playing as a "girl" blew many male gamers minds.
Gamers also pointed out Mass Effect for allowing to choose between Male and Female characters. Some argue over the non-dynamic dialogue between genders, however, given the resources... I'd say that would be a tough one to do. And they did the best with what they had without compromising the story and feel of the game. I'd say it was a good choice because in the end whether your a man or a woman in the game... your a bad ass renegade or a nice paragon. Its your choice.
So how does this translate to esports or competitive gaming? it kind of doesn't however, boy/men that grew up with games have been told that games are for boy/men while girls/women should play with dolls or bake something for fun. Through TV shows, movies, and Ads the message is clear and created a divide. Some also argue that trash talking is part of competitive play and if you let that get to you then you are weak/tilt and reduces your overall performance. Sometimes it can be funny other times it can be hurtful, and should we regulate it? Who knows... Now, we know that in real professional competition there isn't trash talk because that's just BM. Why is it more toxic towards women? probably because of an inferiority complex. Boy/Men get made fun of or oust or at least feel like that if they lose to a girl/women. And it doesn't help when the girl/women piles on too. She could get mad respect from the people she's playing with.
Damn I am going over the word limit... Okay Wrap it up...
So Guys feel pressured because of what society expects of men (being superior over women), Marketing ad tell them that its made for men, and lastly the negative stigma over the decades being called a gamer. All this packed into competitive play forces guys to play aggressively and talk aggressively towards each other because it's a battle to be the best. Any advantages whether it is venting their anger and psychologically crippling their opponents or maybe even their teammate can possible help them (individually). Add a woman/girl to that then... it can create more stress to win either with or against them because playing together means they are one "man" down or we have an "advantage" and should win with ease. Another aspect is claiming video games as a "space" for men.
There is much more to this. and can be connected to the world at large. but I hope this helps. If you want to talk about it more let me know.
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Ok so as a male gamer, there are a few things I need to point out.
Those types of trash males exist outside of video games, as do trash females.
Most male gamers are actually really nice, and it pisses me off when guys do that shit, but if you are playing any realistic shooter, or any moba, or mmo, or sports game, or games that reward trolling, most of the vocal community in stuff like that are toxic garbage meathead jocks, and they don't treat female gamers like trash, they treat EVERYONE like trash. Also I'm really glad I find call of duty, gta, mobas, and mmos to be boring af lol.
No matter what you play, if it's competative, or it has team effort, you will have occassional trash talkers calling you shit at the game and bitching that it costed them whatever loss, unless you are pro level good at it (and possibly even then as well). Especially raid boss fights in mmos or team based pvp. These are always people who rage when they lose in a game by the way. As for the type of trash talking in your vid, see the paragraph above this one, I cannot count the number of times some dickhead told me they screwed my mom or some other bs in the past, I don't use gamechat anymore unless I have to.
So yeah never use game chat, ever, for any reason, unless you absolutely have to. Use party chat, make online friends, use the xbox looking for group to play x game option (or whatever it's called on the platform you play on), talk to them. Most people who use game chat are insane toxic people, because any sane person doesn't want drunks, assholes, or 5 year olds screaming in their ear.
What you experienced is something us guys go through too, very often if we were to play the trash game genres I mentioned above and use game chat, but we don't go on social media complaining about it, we instead call the assholes out, report them, block them, and move on to playing another round, and if it's most of the community for that game being toxic, we either kick their ass in the game to the point of them rage quitting, or we leave and play something with a nicer community in it (sometimes both).
As with any social experience, jerks will exist, but on gaming systems, you have the magic of the block button, the mute button, and the ability to choose who to interact with in most cases. Don't let them push you out of gaming. This isn't a gatekeeper thing, men in general want women to play videi games more, not less, it's a women need to start growing thicker skin thing. The community is not going to change into "everyone is nice", and as guys, we accepted that a long time ago, so you just need to use the filtering options your platform gives you and be choosey about who you party chat with, just like nice guys do.
You know I hear about female gamers having this issue all the time, but in all my years of gaming, I've NEVER faced toxicity or weird behavior from guys online.
Yes, they hear me talk. Heck me and a close friend (male) run a discord channel and I lead most of our dungeon runs. They respect me, know I can pull decent dps, and play my class well. Plus I'm fun to run with.
I guess I'm lucky that the majority of guys I've met over the years were older, not immature brats, gay, they're dads with kids in real life (so they know what girls face online), or they're just used to female gamers I wasn't a novelty or shock to them.
My assumption is that the ones that do treat females that way assume they can't keep up, play as well as they do, or if you do better than them, it hurts their little ego.
... and then some guys just lack social skills and/or manners, and are assholes. There's no excusing their behave other than they think because they're online or playing a game, there's no repercussions for being toxic towards females.
I guess what I'm trying to say is don't let some toxic a-holes ruin what you enjoy! Find you some close friends you trust and enjoy playing with and run with them. If you do come across any? Block. Those same idiots are probably the main ones whining about why they can't get a girlfriend, lol.
I think a lot of the hate comes from from the ego of most gamers also from the behavior of some female gamers.
Im can understand it, even I see in some "female gamers" some girls who aren't into gaming and more into getting collecting likes on social media and stuff
Or girls who are obviously very bad in a game but use their boobs, smile and cuteness to cut it down.
I was the only one in the room back than, who said she was bad haha other guys had been like oh no poor thing and stuff.
What disgust me more is, guys seeing an opportunity to get a date, ons and stuff with a girl who fakes heir bad game play
It's a stereotype. I game all the time. Whether I'm partying with female friends or randomly stumbling upon them in team-chats, I have NEVER (not to say it doesn't happen, I'm sure it does rarely) heard someone be disrespectful to a female, let alone because she is a female. In fact, often times it's the opposite. Many guys you'll notice will suddenly go quiter the moment a girl speaks, or occasionally compliment her for something, entirely void of complimenting anyone else or anyone prior.
And I haven't watched the videos you provided. Maybe I should, but my very thorough and extensive experience with video games certainly suffices in this regard. Anyone can come across uncommon occurrences, record it, and post a video about it. What those videos can't do, or don't do, is show what's outside of the frame. They won't show you how the hundred (s) of games prior and the hundred (s) (if not thousands) of games after don't include bad experiences.
When you see a video of a plane crash, you don't say "wow, why do planes crash so much?" Because you know that just because someone made a video about it, without including all the times planes don't crash, it's an uncommon occurrence.
CoD lobbies do have a history with being very toxic, though, lol. But they're not representative of virtually all other games.
There also needs to be acknowledgement that not all toxicity is because you're a girl. Even in communities that are pretty decent, toxicity occurs and men get it, too. So you can't just assume the toxicity is because I'm you're a girl (unless the toxicity express girl-specific things).
Lastly, some of the videos regarding "girl-gamef abuse online" is real questionable and seems like they hired someone to say nasty things. This has been accused a number of times, I don't know if any of the videos you linked is one of them. Like they'll say they'd "rape" them in very unnatural sounding ways. Keep in mind that people have agendas to push and views to get and possibly money to make.
But to clarify, I'm sure girls have a harder time on games. There ARE some insecure gate keeping men online, but they're very incommon.
The simple change of character in a game from male to female or female to male, makes a seriously huge difference to the type of traffic within the game AND after it...
it does need improved, yes guys get shit from other guys, but it does not have the huge bullying and fucking creepy element to it.
Sorry you encounter such assholes on a regular basis. We aren't all like that though. I wonder how much the perception of online anonymity has to do with it. Not to mention the younger demographics, combined with fact that kids today are often poorly socialised. Would you say the males who harass you online sound pretty young? A 14 year old boy versus a 30 year old man (who ostensibly should know better from maturity) might as well be two different species altogether. I look around at how the local schoolkids behave, and I'm amazed their teachers or parents don't just go postal on them. And so then they go online where there's no threat of public exposure or physical retaliation, and they harass anyone and everyone in the name of "trolling", but they'll go the extra step of being mysoginistic towards female players because... well... if you figure out why that is, then do let me know. Point being, I think a lot of it comes down to immaturity and poor upbringing of younger males who look to online gaming as an outlet for their aggression. You'll know when you're playing with older, properly socialised and civil guys in the public lobby chats, because they'll be focused on actually playing the game and having a good time. If it's a competitive game, you might still get dunked on a bit if you're playing poorly and dragging the team down, but that's kinda how it is for *anyone*. There's a certain level of competitive aggression that's just part of the sociolect of online gaming, but it's never an excuse to target someone because they're a certain gender or race or sexual orientation.
Because unfortunately a lot of these types of men are the ones who do nothing BUT play video games and it's there whole life then wonder why they can't get a girlfriend and instead of looking at themselves decide to resent all women for it. No decent guy hates on a girl for doing what she enjoys so don't let it ruin it for you. you just have to pitty them types of people. They obviously suffer from low self-esteem and can't handle a woman possibly being better at a game then them that's how pathetic they are.
I agree for the most part, but I do think as a society we want to belive that these guys bring their issues on their own. Many guys are lonely, like women, but they don't generally have the same social support networks. Gaming to many is that escape. It's not that they do nothing else because they love gaming that much, most of them just simply. dont see any alternative.
Guys lack a lot guidance in learning to be social. On its face it looks like "some are born with, some aren't".
I'm not excusing their actions, but I don't think it's fair to assume they're maliciously being assholes for enjoyment (many do) but everyone's struggling in different ways.
Also it's not really about being better or not. To them it's like seeing the people who would make fun of them in school all of sudden do the things they made fun of them for doing without addressing or apologizing for making fun of them for it.
Not saying it's right, but that it can be a feeling.
Umm that's just gaming to anyone. Men insult each other all the time too in gaming. People send each other "Your trash" without even needing to know your gender first. Like anything i am sure some sexist people may say something. But majoirlty that's just gaming culture no matter your gender.
People in gaming online, have less patience due to themselves been inderpendent with teaching themselves how to get good at it. So they expect everyone else too. Then you have trash players who just blame you cause there bad at the game.
Also Vrchat is just full of people making offensive jokes. Tbh that's why i like it. It's not meant to be PC or serious. It's mostly joking.
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Has not ever been my experience in gaming, though I hear about this all the time. To be fair, I play games almost exclusively with people I know in the real world these days, and usually in private chat lobbies.
One exception I'll mention though, was in RPGs. Over a decade ago I used to play a few of them and there was a pretty substantial although generally discreet female demographic in those games, but there was (and still is AFAIK) a large number of guys who pose as or pretend to be girls, for various reasons (usually scamming/mooching). This caused a lot of people in these games to be very suspicious especially in the absence of voice chatting, and some game clubs and clans wouldn't let anyone in without doing something to confirm who they really were first. You've also got a lot of people who take games way too seriously, and it brings out their worst sides even if it's not something they would normally do.
THE GAMER COMUNITY IS TOXIC NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.
This is the last place you wanna gk screaming harassment trust me. Gamers trash talk eachother all the time, they say the craziest things no one especially focused on dissing that girl in the video because she's a girl in fact many were shocked became they play for years and haven't met one, she showed the ones who asked if they can added her as a part of a "harassment" list, its how things go in these games people chat on the mike, add eachother, play a while, and move on.
And the one who said this is a boy game he's clearly under 10 years old no old enough to represent male harassment yet he too was in the video.
As for the standard trash talk it's part of the game as I said we all take it we all get into it from time to time (I don't often put on a mic) it's normal and no guy ever complained about it.
Well, in the current times we have freaks out there who claim that rape jokes are free speech. Even threats of rape directed at female players. They don't get that threats of violence is not free speech. It is a crime.
That's why we need to start emptying our jails of drug offenders and start putting these online crazies in jail.
It's not usually because you're a girl, it's because some people are just dicks and will try to piss you off any way they can. With girls, this will tend to be sexism as it's an easy way to get some to have a meltdown. Shit talking is something that guys have to deal with all the time, especially in competitive environments, be it basketball or a videogame. It's just that girls will deal with specific subsets of bullying that guys usually don't, but both times the pricks doing it are just trolls looking for a reaction that will bring them amusement.
Easy answer: gaming is not, shall we say, a particularly social hobby, and even less so with a prohibitively small population of girls playing "hardcore" mainstream games like online shooters. Yes, there's some limited capacity to voice-chat with people, but beyond that they're still just avatars interacting with each other, not in-person communication. They can say and do whatever they like, much like this site, and see no major repercussion for their controversy. The end-result is naturally a digital man-cave with a high-test bunch of troglodytes venting some truly toxic steam, and you know what? That's not the worst thing in the world. Better they have an outlet than that they don't, though they could probably channel it to something more productive.
But in short: you do not go into the ocean and wonder why there are fish there.
Well the simple answer is that anonymity allows people to be terrible. Also a lot of people are small fish in a big pond who take a lot of shit from people and then take their frustration out on people in voice chat because what are they going it do about it?
I'm a guy and I have had people shit talk me plenty of times. That's why I don't talk to people online anymore. It's usually just 12 year olds saying they banged your mom.
As for being s girl I'm sure you get several sexual messages sent your way. The best thing you can do is to report and block them and move one. Clean up the community and don't allow your kids to act that way.
Or if you want I be a troll get a voice changer and just screw with them. 😂
They don't treat only female gamers as trash they treat everyone as trash. But not all gamers. My friend summarised this well"You will either find the nicest people on there or the most toxic". In a competitive world like gaming such things happen normally, if you let words get the better of you, then they got inside you. Don't react to such comments. Staying calm is the best. Also people will do anything to win, so wherever you go there will always be haters. It comes down to you, who you pay attention to. Dont give in to negativity, stay optimistic
Because most are. Female gamers who can actually game, are respected in the community. Those who suck but show off a rather pleasant decolletè are not gamers, but just OnlyFans broads in the making. Gaming is for gamers what football is for jocks: you don't piss all over my "sport" or favourite hobby to get other kind of renown that are not directly dependent to your skills as a gamer. That's why a whole lot of female "gamers" get the stink eye. Good gamers are actually treasured by the community.
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I think toxicity is a universal thing against all players and its much more common in some games than others.
The thing is usually you have no idea who is behind the game character, unless you are streaming or using voice chat or actually telling people, which in my experience is really rare (at least in the games i play).
I had problems with toxic players espacially in League of Legends, so i simply stopped playing this game. My time is to valuable to be wasted with assholes in a mediocore game.
Now i play Final Fantasy XIV and in 2000 hours of play time i had maybe 2 or 3 toxic players.
Gaming culture is just toxic in general, and being a girl is just one thing that they can use to make fun of you. If you weren't a girl, they'd still make fun of you, it would just be about your skill at the game, what your voice sounds like, your race, religion, or generic roasting, etc. instead.
Yea, the video gaming community is really toxic. I don't know what it is, but when people are boxed off from each other they seem to feel like it gives them the license to be a-holes. It's like how when you're driving you have a much lower threshold for tolerance in response to other people's mistakes; some folks who are really nice in person can get set off very easily when they're driving. I feel like the same phenomena is at play in the online gaming community. You describe its manifestations pretty well in your post.
And yea, men are mostly responsible for the kinds of toxicity you make reference to. Men are more bellicose, and some idiots/children like to harass women to put on a show for their friends. It sucks that you are experiencing the sexual harassment, especially given your age, but sadly, there isn't much you can do aside from muting and reporting them.
Keep your head up, and don't let the internet trolls ruin your fun.
1) Legitimate sexism. Either from an inability to interact with women or because they hold actually derogatory views. 2) Culture proxy. They act that way because that's just how they'd been conditioned to it and how it's been for the longest time. 3) Social pressures. If you do it you're an asshole, but everyone's doing it. If you don't do it you're a simp, and both sexes seem to believe the latter in most cases.
This is why I love having such flexibility in my voice. I hate jumping into voice chat in Overwatch and hearing comments about girl gamers. So when they say something I just fluctuate through a bunch of different voices until they aren't sure anymore.
The truth is that men are just or more toxic to other male gamers than female gamers. In my experience guys actually treat random female gamers better than random male ones. Guys tend to just have much thicker skin because if you ever listen to a group of guys talking with each other half of what they say is just insulting each other and everyone just laughing at it like it's nothing.
This is only 2 occasions,... There are worse BS told between male gamers...
Those Low IQ specimens never seen a woman IRL.
They are 'keyboard warriors', only sound taught to impress their 'friends' for some street cred, when in reality they are just underage boys who do not know what they are doing and gender has nothing to do there, it is more parenting and single mommies are not as capable in doing it alone as they thought...
Not saying that this behaviour is OK, but judging all male population by just small minority of low IQ kids is not OK too.
Why you even on there I thought it is for 18+ only.
I was a "female gamer", and I got so much abuse online it was insane. Constant messages about dicks, just vile things. It's extremely misogynistic out there. I don't play anymore.
Wish it was as bad for us boys and man. If we only were sent nudes by girl gamers, rape threats or just a funny convo, every man would be a gamer. But girls are just like boys, right?
@tallcuck what? I’m talking about constantly being harassed by asshole boys online. Dick pics are gross, what kind of psycho does that. I needed to get a new email, change all my usernames. It was just too gross
@tallcuck no, reality isn’t a bunch of loser boys who make themselves feel powerful by insulting women. They are a very small Minority of reality, the stupid disgusting part.
Some guy sent me a nude picture of himself unsolicited and I told him, "whoa fuk nutz! I didn't ask U for all that, I just said hello, da fuk yo! Girls are not THE ONLY who get harassed but they R the MAJORITY that receives these type of things. I send the harassing person back with pictures of STD/STI infested dicks, because I like to fuk shit up, fukin with me is a losers bet.
Its just jokes, relaxe. As for why guys gatekeep their hobby, its because feminists and other types of SJWs are not welcome. Don't expect guys to be nice to those who wish to take over and ruin our hobby. I don't want to hear about how "problematic" it is that a female character is sexy. I don't want to see rubbish like Dream daddy. And if you think gemale gamers have it bad, how about those of us who get instantly labled nazis online just because we happen to like ecchi games. Because for unknown reasons. Girls don't have it that bad, you just get slightly unplesant jokes. Guys on the other hand can get harrassed by SJWs.
I'm 15, and could care less about the weird ass ecchi shit you're into, and this legitmatly just sounds like a you problem. I suggest you quit projecting
Its not shit, its top quality games. Its not only my problem, its a huge problem in the gaming industry. I'm not projecting. SJWs are a huge reason to why a lot of gamers are gatekeeping. And the type of jokes you mentioned are common among edgy gamers. Go play Overwatch, Blizzard will censor for you. People have been blocked for less than edgy jokes there.
Part of what makes games so appealing to men is their vastly competitive nature. Online games mainly revolve around power and competition as this is what men enjoy. In online games this often creates arguments and tustles over voice chat and shit. So unintentionally a lot of gamers build up a toxic sense of interaction between other people online just because thats the environment theyre used to.
Thats probably why ur seeing shit like this offloaded into peacful games like vr chat and also why you're seeing it in its birthplace; online competitive games. The difference between video games and sports is video games allow people to say what they want with no consequence, which is why this reaction seems so alien, but its not, its always been there.
Look up "dogs barking at eachother" on youtube to see what I mean
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Your entire butthurt attitude it enough proof of how games, like you put it, belong to men. This is characteristic of female nature. You always invade male-dominated male spaces and because you can't cope with men you want to change that environment so you can be more comfortable and then whore yourselves out for attention and money. Once that male-dominated space has become female-dominated and the competition of women has become too tough you start moving to the next male-dominated space. Twitch is the best example. You women took a gaming platform and turned it into a cam girl website which is literally full of sluts shaking their asses for beta bucks. It's impossible for men today to have their own space without women bombarding us with their cute selfies and asses. It is immediately called sexism. Women throw temper tantrums when men can find some happiness without them.
it's painfully obvious that you're projecting. Nothing about my "attitude" was butthurt I'm just sick and tired of fucked up sexist jokes and racism being normalized in the gaming community and called "edgy" but little dick boys that think they're funny
Because guys talk mess to each other all the time.. 😂😂.. It's not a "trash the girl" thing.. Maybe you have been living in lala land where everybody is hyping you up, but in games Especially when you play COD you will hear some of the most immature and sometimes vile stuff from gamers and a lot of them are teenagers.. Girls actually get treated better.. Being a victim about something that happens all the time won't help you in the long run..
"I’m worried I’m going to have to go threw bs since I’m a poc female gamer.".. That's playing the victim.. Most people won't care one way or another since everybody is free reign when playing games and chatting..
Pfft. No you're not. Stop doing that thing where you retroactively change your point so you can avoid my advice. And being mean to a girl isn't intrinsically sexist anyway so your point is moot.
Toxicity really sucks, games are supposed to be happy and fun... but sometimes the best solution besides using the mute button is playing in private lobbies and singleplayer games.
I'm not a gamer and can't believe you have to go through stuff like this.. sorry. Maybe the immediate solution is for girls to have gaming groups that are exclusive to them and are selective of the guys they allow. That way the trash talking and bullying stays out. Just a thought. I don't know how gaming groups work.
A shit tons of gamers especially on shooter games tends to be toxic. If you're black you could get called the n word Asian? derogatory words for chinese because tey just think you're chinese a GIRL? misogynistic names.
I personally do not. I love it when anyone has similar interests as me and would never down talk it. However, I get where the stereotype may come from. Females are able to grab media attention much more easily just by being a girl... more so if they're attractive. Being an "e-girl" is easy and a lot of guys think e-girls just do it for easy money, kind of like having an OnlyFans account
The reason is simple, one word: Gamergate. The history of gamergate and the scandal that happened lives on in what is really an extension of toxic masculinity. Although the articles you read will say that it began in 2014 it’s roots are actually embedded as far back as the 80s.
I call them idiots, not gamers. Ever person that plays a video game and harass other is just a low life, no slef respect idiot. I play with two girls whom are my friends on my channel and we have tons of fun. I do not talk to anyone like that, not even when i was at your age. Bad parents and dump ass kids 🤷♂️
It is microphone tough guy syndrome mixed in with arrogant assholediness. Guys like that they can hide behind behind their gamer tags and know that some people will not pursue turning them in. Worst case scenario they get their account banned and they start another one.
It has nothing to do with treating others like trash. This is how guys talk. Talking smack to each other is a form of male bonding, as crazy as that might seem to some females. These male gamers just see you as one of the guys and treat you as such.
These male gamers just see you as one of the guys and treat you as such.
This was pretty much used during an Esports event we hosted back in 2019, by an official when a complaint was made about inappropriate behaviour from an adult to a young female gamer.
@ChrisMaster69 I'm not award of the specific situation your daughter went through and if it was to the severity you describe it, I'm sorry she had to go through that and the alleged boys in question should be held accountable. However, using limited situations to make a generalization of most or all boy gamers is not productive, nor an accurate way to assess the issue.
@jmr2191 I am not actually on about my daughter, the company I work for sponsor E sports Teams, I attend Esports tournaments.
It is a very real thing that happens even in pro side of things, Esports have been told to clean its act up or loose sponsorship.
The daughter reference was simply, if you or anyone else in this thread had one, their attitude might be different. However being GaG none of the men have daughters or if they do really don’t give a shit.
There are a lot of female gamers who act like goddesses among men in online gaming and treat everyone in the lobby like shit and if there's another girl getting more attention oh boy, here comes a shitshow. That's how most of my experiences go. Sometimes I meet nice girls who aren't toxic like that though. But the rape jokes are to far, I'm not defending that
I've met toxic female gamers too. In general either you meet friendly people or toxic gamers when playing any multi-player games. It seems like it's only guys because there are more male gamers. The ones that are the worst only behave that way because they could never do it in person. People just be assholes sometimes.
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Just like anywhere else, you mean?
Some guys are just dicks on a body - they can't handle themselves around women and get all obnoxious. It just be like that, unfortunately. These are the sort of guys you read about on the news that started a bar room brawl over some woman's rejection.
Ugh what happened to the good old days when we were all just gamers. When the hell did it divide by gender
But to answer your question. If they are doing that they are being rude because they are little boy that has learned that pointless behavior from someone
I was having this convo today about sexism in online games. Imagine those people getting a hard-on treating people like trash, no matter what their pronouns are. Usually those males that treat women like that are bad people in-general, and haven't done anything useful or relevant in-game, let alone their lives.
Find different gamers, I don't hang out with gamers that do that type of stuff. I mean sometimes my friends do the meme of "oh my god it's a girl gamer" *insirt odd noises here* but that's the most it gets too, I can't recall any me calling or bullying in game like team killing or griefing.
Most men actually don't have a problem with female gamers, however most men do have a problem with any gamer whose trash at the game. If your good, you will get hate anyway but its more of jealousy type hate, but if your trash than its because your trash type hate. Most men enjoy playing with women. So I guess its just the ones you hang out with that are like that
I'm legendary ranked in cod but people still hate on me and it's really annoying. Usually this is only in multiplayer lobbies cause in br I play with an all female squad but It's really common in a lot of games. Specifically in first person/third person shooters
The ones who do that are just generally losers in real life and sexist jerks. They get no attention from women in real life cause of their horrible attitudes and like the true incels they are, will resort to acting like this on games to give themselves a false sense of superiority.
it has nothing to do with you (or any other girl) being a gamer. a lot of dudes who talk like this will always talk like this about whoever regardless. its obviously cause the communication in video games is the same as the internet so unlike in real person folks there will talk as open as they want to be because the consequences and repercussion there are extremely minimal.
Well to be fair there's a big portion of the female gaming community giving female gamers a bad rep. zoie burgher was a very infamous one, ssniperwolf who is another toxic one , and then there are the ones who aren't just using there bodies for views, and we'll to be generous a lot of them can be kinda slow compared to some of their make counter parts in figuring shit out that compared to some of the guys was kinda obvious.
Not saying u should treat female gamers poorly for any of those reasons but they kinda ruined the landscape for a lot of female gametes especially the YouTuber ones I listed. But there are still plenty of amazing female gamers to watch marz being one of my favorites on YouTube mostly cause of her personality. She's a sweetheart but a little slow at times
Study on the game Halo 3 states the lowest performing men suck up to higher performing men and demean women because they are afraid the male dominated space will became more inclusive, and they will lose their spot because they suck. Which is pretty funny.
Guys say they’re going to rape other guys, t-bag them, etc. all the time. When men are competing with each other we talk mad trash. You’re just too sensitive… Toughen up cupcake.
People are mean. Being a woman is an easy "insult" and gaming culture is a breeding ground for bullies and toxic behavior because people cannot control their frustrations.
Oddly enough, I see it happen all the time other people yet haven't seen it happen with my wife.
Online gaming isn't a safespace. If it was it would be boring. So please don't ruin it for vast majority of gamers who are half toxic themselves. Realise that snowflakes are a minority and girl gamers are the minority and in a democracy it is the majority that makes the rules. So if you wanna play with boys, you better learn how to handle their egos. Or play in your safespace but not force it on others. There are games for children where you can feel half safe :)
@doopayo Your third picture explains why so male may react the way they did. Many see that there are no "Girl Gamers", merely women casting a net for simps. Many might see you not really playing a game, but looking for attention. And lets be honest maybe 2-5% of "gamers" are women.
Heard it happens to some other chicks but never had it happen to me, not exactly hiding my voice or anything either. Toxic pricks will be just as bad no matter what junk you’re packing, the key is to grief them until they can’t take it anymore.
They're nagging you like the guy gamers. It's a form of Male-Bonding. We do that. From a Female point of view, women will take it personally if a group of guys nags you like the rest of them. They don't take it as a joke because their feelings get hurt easier.
This new generation of gamers has ruined gaming. These people are immature, delusional, narcissists. These are the worst type of people. I feel bad for women that game. They sit online all day and game. They have no life. They don’t interact in the real world. Many of them are just a few years younger than me too.
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MOST male gamers are virgins & have little exposure to the opposite sex so when they encounter an actual female gamer through chat there TRUE colors are exposed
They don't know how to communicate with the opposite sex & there (in my opinion) teasing you but just lack the ability toI'm not like the majority of male gamers & couldn't care less who I'm playing with or against as long as WE WIN But I have played with & against a very few legit female gamers
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Maybe females should have their own servers. If they can't deal with the criticism or taunts of the males then form your own group and stay away from the guys. They must really hate you. That means that they are not going to change. I wouldn't want to be around where everyone hated me and treated me badly.
@NightHawk99 maybe we should write a question about them. It reminds me of girls behind the wheel. They don't realize that their actions can have consequences. If a guy fucks with me (or another guy) he knows that there is a very good chance that I will follow him until he stops and I will beat him like a dog. Girls act like assholes and then they cry about the bad man who acted violently for no reason. At least guys know that it could get real very quickly. Women are like children. They can't possibly fathom that anything that they did could have caused the reaction that they are complaining about.
@Opinion Owner I've already done that lol. And oml girls behind the wheel... I don't mean to sound sexist but whenever I see someone texting while driving, it's always a woman. And then they wanna flip off the person behind them for honking their horns at them. 🤣 Make no mistake, I think just as lowly of male drivers who are just as careless. I just see women doing it more often.
Because there are so many female gamers with the cleavage out on twitch trying to garner attention to feed their narcissistic personalities. It’s not all female gamers, but the bad ones give the other ones a bad stereotype.
most of them say I'm fat or female gamers look ugly, so that doesn't really hold up. The few that do are just horny mfs that try to ask for my snap or simp in a lobby
Guys talk shit to each other too, but girls just get offended and think it has something to do with them being a girl... being a girl is just the obvious attack point because they can tell. If you were a ginger dude or a virgin male and they could tell these things, they would just as quickly attack that... girls just can’t take male banter the way males do.
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What you are saying here is that you as a girl want special treatment. Guys treat all competitors that way, male or female. But because you're a girl you just assume they treat you that way BECAUSE you're a girl.
You can either grow a skin like anyone else or just be butt hurt about it.
@apple_jack They only say that because it's your weak point. If you didn't give a shit, then they wouldn't and would say something else you do give a shit about. If a group of male gamers got super offended by rape jokes and the like, then other male gamers would use that on them too.
So yes, it is special treatment. You can either be treated the same as all the other males gamers that treat each other like shit, or they can treat you differently and treat you like you're made of glass. However if it's the latter, then they're simply not gonna want to play with you, on the basis you're no competition if your emotions are that fragile in such a competitive environment. In such an environment you can either handle the competitiveness or you can't.
@apple_jack, @BeautyInTheBelfry David_Kek got it right. You may not realize it, but you are expecting guys to change their behavior for you because you're female. You want them to go easier on your because you have a vagina and a thin skin.
The kind of intimidation, disrespect and hardcore competitive nature guys exhibit in gaming is the same no matter whether you're female or male. They might use different words or threats depending on what they perceive to be your sensitive spots, but it's no different otherwise.
If you think you deserve respect in gaming simply because you're a girl, you are fucking delusional. Guys respect people who earn their respect, regardless of your genitalia.
If you can't take the heat, stay the fuck out of the kitchen.
@David_Kek Rape is no topic for joking. Period. You are just excusing their immature and disgusting behaviour. Disrespect towards others is never funny. And if you think rape jokes are okay well yup that says a lot about you.
@apple_jack You're entitled to your opinion, and it is why you have that very opinion is why they would target you with those comments in the first place. They'd never target me with them because I think rape jokes are hilarious. https://youtu.be/-Ak0M4cAkdQ
@apple_jack Like here's a good one; (A dad is just in his livingroom reading the newspaper when his 6 year old little girl walks by) "Hello darling." "Hello daddy". "Did you have fun with your friends at the park?" "We had fun until the old man came over." "... What?" "We were playing on the swings until an old man came over and told me to come with him in the bushes.". (Dad puts down his newspaper and gets up) "Ok daring, I want you to know whatever happened that is wasn't your fault, ok?" "... ok" "What happened?" "He... he grabbed me and pushed me up against a tree... he was very strong." "Go on." "He... he pulled my dress up." "Oh god, then what?" "He... he pulled my kickers down." "Oh god." "Then he... he got his thing out." "Oh god darling, then what, what happened next?" "Err... I mean, nothing happened. After a couple seconds he put his thing away, pulled up my kickers, pulled down my dress, and just walked off. Nothing happened." "... ? Oh, well, MAKE SOMETHING UP!"
@apple_jack That's entirely beside the point of this discussion. There will always be people who have bad taste in humor, but guys are generally equal opportunity offenders. Most of them are not picking on girls because they are girls. They pick on people who appear weak because they don't respect them. When you whine about being picked on and offended you are just giving them less reason to respect you and more reason to pick on you, just like they pick on other guys they don't respect.
If you want to play with the boys you don't get to change the rules just because you have a vagina. Get over yourself.
@apple_jack You have no idea how hard it is to not constantly keep taking the piss out of you. You completely lack selfawareness, to such a degree, that you're asking for it.
They dont. Girls experience one bad thing and flip out like it’s what everyone does. The reality is that most people are chill and some people are toxic. It’s the nature of the environment. Girls say all sorts of shit about guys too, like that they’re all toxic for example. The answer is chill the F out and move on like everyone else does. If anything, overcoming that is one of the virtues of the environment.
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"(male; so they don’t really have to worry about this)"
Actually, no. The behavior you describe is unfortunate but it's not a gender thing. Some guys are assholes and they will treat anyone they don't respect that way, male or female.
This is one of the problems with the feminist movement today... they turn everything into a gender issue. Feminists assume everything happens to them because they are female when the reality is it has noting to do with their gender.
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