
Is an electric car worth it?


Most of your fuel is used when increasing speed.
Hybrids and electric cars can harvest energy when decelerating if you do it correctly, ie slowly with engine braking so some of the advantages of electric can be found in hybrids.
Batteries lose capacity over time and are expensive so this would be bad for long term ownership.
Fuel is extremely cheap in the States.
There are many small engine petrol or diesel cars which get great mileage.
I have owned a prius and I can tell you that it is possible to get close to 70mpg HOWEVER doing this is extremely demanding and tiring, it is far more than just defensive driving, you must always be processing whether you want to invest fuel in speed, harvest energy by engine braking or much more commonly positioning your foot exactly right on the throttle so that you are neither accelerating or decelerating or even putting the car into neutral (which you shouldn't do because it is 'dangerous' to not always have engine braking available.) coasting like this is often the best choice but the car does not lend itself at all to doing this.
50mpg is easily achievable even with spirted driving and you could get high 50s if you wanted to, perhaps more relatively easily.
The combustion engine in the prius is not efficient and it is also very noisy under load.
High mpg has diminishing returns.
The difference between 20 mpg (BMW V6 petrol) and 30mpg (BMW straight 6 diesel) is 50%
The difference between 40mpg and 50mpg is only 25%
Mid 40s mpg is easily achievable even with occassionally spirited driving with a relatively large engine (2L diesel).
So if you want cheap motoring without compromising creature comforts without having to worry about long term costs I would suggest you buy an average European or Japanese (Ford is also fine) car with a 1.6L diesel engine in either a 5 door hatchback (?) or estate body (station wagon).
You can expect a solid, reliable, comfortable, reasonably well equipped, safe and easily serviced jack of all trades type car which will give you 50 - 60 mpg (or 40 - 45? if you drive it like you stole it).
1) They are expensive. And they'll be like cell phones, computers and other electronic things that you have to replace every few years.
2) Electric cars are far worse for the environment than gas burning cars. The marketing is all about exhaust emissions, but they never talk about the damage caused by mining, transporting and processing those rare minerals, or building the batteries, or what's done with them when they wear out. And the electricity comes from coal or gas fueled power plants. It's a scam for giant corporations to monopolize the Earth's limited supply of minerals.
3) The batteries wear out and the cars become worthless by (+ or -)150,000 miles. All you can do is replace the battery for $13-14,000. They're not like an engine that you can maintain and even have repaired.
Look at all the classic cars that are still on the road. You will never see classic electric cars still driving around.
4) How far can you drive on a charge? How long does it take to charge? How many charging stations are there when traveling? Compare that to gasoline engines.
I would never own an electric car. I did own a Prius hybrid at one time and learned my lesson. I could fill it up and a gas station and it wasn't even limited on mileage, but I found that it just had too many computers and batteries that could go haywire. Fortunately, the hybrid battery wore out before 150,000 miles and was covered under warranty. But the car still wound up being an expensive pain in the ass piece of junk.
I'll stick with good old, simply internal combustion engines.
Seems like it would be a good idea if you lived in a city and that is the only place you ever went, as long as charging stations are around. Don't mind the fact that people with regular cars will park and block charging stations or some anti electric vehicle people will walk by and unplug it while charging.
For me, living more rural and in a large western state, I don't want to be stranded somewhere... so not going to work.
I think it might be worth it. especially given the price of oil now. I don't know exactly how many Km you can do with a full charge, but I think it's still quite correct.
On the other hand, if you want to buy an electric car for the ecological argument, do not have any illusions on this subject, the manufacture of the batteries, the extractions of rare metals mean that electric cars are not as ecological as some claim.
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I think if you're a two or more car household they are definitely feasible, and depending on your budget they are worth it. If you only have one car, I would not make that car an electric car yet.
The charging infrastructure for long distance trips is getting better all the time, but its not quite there yet. So, if you have a gas car available for those long trips, then having an electric car as one of your daily drivers in-town makes sense, but if you only have one car, I'd hold off a bit longer.
Yeah we have two cars. a lot of the time I ended up with both when my husband is away
Then if its in the budget, and you have the ability to add a quick charger to your house (fairly up to date electrical panel with open slots and a minimum 150A service), I'd go for it.
Not so sure about the charging. I live in a rental. Other people in my neighborhood plug in their cars so I think it's not a issue
Most cars can charge off of a standard household outlet, but its a slow charge - only getting about 50 miles of range in an 8 hour charge. If you live in a house/duplex you could see if your landlord would let you have a licensed electrician add a plug- after all it will be a selling point when they try to rent it out in the future. It uses the same plug as an electric range, and is fairly inexpensive (when compared to other electrical projects).
Ah see I live on a military base. We just install things we want without telling the company that we rent from.. Remove when we leave. That's how it is here lol
Generally, its not going to be worth uninstalling the plug, but the charger itself you can just unplug and take with you. The wiring to the electrical panel will be cut to that exact length, and there's so many different types of panels out there that the likelyhood of the same circuit breakers, etc working in your new place is pretty small.
Hello Apple 🍎. I have owned a plug in EV since last August.
If you can have a level 2 charging station at home and donât drive more than half of the rated range in one direction. They are fun and less expensive to drive than a gas burner.
I figure that it cost me about seven dollars for electricity per 120 miles.
Some things that I would recommend to ask or know before buying.
Know what tax credits and rebates that are still available for that particular EV. The Feds offer up to $7500 tax credit.
The rate of charge the EV will accept if you are going long distances. There are three level three charging rates that I know of.
Most batteries are warranted for eight years.
Things that they donât seem to mentionâŚ.
Cold temperatures knock down the range of the batteries.
Defrosters and AC will shorten the range as well as will the load that you will be hauling or towing.
Just ask if you care to hear more.
These things are good to know. I'm still on the fence about it
@Apple1996. They are not for everyone and not everyone will want one!
Very true. It's a tough decision tho
You can generally get them used for cheapish. But it's estimated they save about 1k a year in energy and maintenance costs. Simply shop for two cars - one electric and one combustion - and subtract 1k times the amount of time (in years) you expect to have the electric from the price. If the electric is slightly cheaper it's probably not worth it until charging infrastructure is built upnin your area but if it is substantially cheaper then maybe so.
But also keep in mind some electric cars qualify for tax credits.
EV's are just not there. And you better watch what you buy. Don't buy impulse as no EV is alike. Nissan Leafs are perhaps the worse. They have no battery cooling, and if the weather gets over 90 degrees or under 30, it's killing your battery life.
You have to spend a lot to get something like a Tesla, that will last better than a decade. Batteries are still very expensive and new technology that should get better range at a cheaper price is around the corner.
Not to mention many average drivers are leaving EV's because they are not all the exciting to own. Most people develop range anxiety that is a stressor on your own body and mind. And for the people who feel they are morally making a smart buy, most of their energy to convert into battery is still fossil fuels, and with limited charging stations and longer times to charge, is not a good long range car. Just a metro car. Also check insurance as rates can be higher for EV's.
You know when a car battery goes, it costs 50/100 to replace? I have heard of electric car battery cells going wrong after just five years and they can cost about 35,000 to replace.. I kid you not!!!
I don't know what i would do, but it's something to think about when deciding, right?
I paid 350 for my batteries in my other cars. Current car having battery and computer issues. That's why I need a new one lol. So yeah if that's the case then buying a electric would maybe be a issue for me
Don't you have any good auto-electricians near you? They can hook it up to a computer and know instantly what the fault is these days.
I've tried getting it fixed many times now. Tired of it breaking down and being unsafe so time to get a new one
I can give you an update.. When looking at electric cars, see how long they guarantee the battery cells for and ask the dealer what they cost to replace.. Also they are MEANT to last between 10 and 20 years, maybe then it is rare to only last 5...
Wait a second.. breaking down... sometimes only 100 yards away from home, and then when it starts it could go the rest of the journey with no problems? If so, that's almost certainly an immobiliser issue.. I had that and it was a wire that hadn't been covered properly so it would short out, but only when the engine was cold.
Nah when it breaks down it has to be towed. Jumping it won't do anything. Likes to break down mid driving like everything stops and shuts off. Got speed sensors fixed and a new battery but still these issues
That's what happened to me.. the immobiliser was the cause
Not worth it. You have to stop more to charge the car. Car charging ports are still too few and far between. The savings on gas will cost you extra time to charge and will increase your electric bill. If you charge at home, more electricity. If you charge at a port, you have to pay for that. Electric cars are harder to repair when something goes wrong. In an accident an electrical fire will spread faster and is harder to put out than a gasoline vehicle. The environmental savings you believe you are making is cancelled out by the fact that the charge ports to create your electricity are charged somewhere and the origin source ALWAYS uses gas and fossil fuels. The idea of an electric car is great but the technology has not advanced enough to make it reliable. If these concerns I listed could be answered then an electric car would be better. Your best bet is a hybrid.
There are many good reasons to have an electric car but I do not think the technology is ready for prime time. They are still expensive even when you count the tax credit you can get. They do not have a long enough range and the charging times are still too long. Usually several hours. You also must install a charging station. If you live in an apartment or rent a house without a driveway or garage this may be difficult. The cars also cost a lot to repair although they seem to be pretty dependable. The batteries are expensive to replace and to recycle. Usually the batteries cost thousands of dollars and have to be replaced every 4 or 5 years.
depends on what you mean by "worth it". you will most likely pay less for it overit's lifetime than for a traditional gas car.
you will probably struggle a bit with refueling. cause depending on where you life, electric recharging is not well established and standardized.
if you REALLY wanna make it worth it, get youself solar panels on the roof. what you safe in fuel will make it pay for itself.
I don't even pay for my electric at my house. I rent so it's all the same price every month for my rent. No extra cost. The solar panels is a great idea for a home owner tho
I don't think your landlord can afford letting you charge your car on your electrical bill without charging you extra for it.
Uh I get most people don't understand this but I live on a military base. The rent price here doesn't change. It's the same for every person here regardless of how much electricity, gas, water or whatever else that I use. People in my neighborhood have electric cars and charge without any issues or added bill
Oh. Ok. Then i guess that's payed through tax payer money anyway XD
One thing people keep forgetting about EVs is less physical damage to the car during use.
With electric breaking you're not wearing any breakes, just producing heat and electricity.
A pure EV doesn't need a gear box so a lot less moving parts to wear down.
There's no need for an axle below the car so it's *possible* to make a EV with a decent ground clearance that's well protected from the environments.
Low center of gravity with the batteries placed low down makes the car safer, low risk of rolling over.
A lot of torque at low speeds allows you to move out of trouble faster for a given amount of horse power.
Check if you can get charging at work, if you can and you also live in a house where you can charge at home it should cover most of your needs.
Range anxiety is mostly a myth among nonusers.
On rare occasions it *does* matter, but most of the time, it just doesn't.
@gguy767
They break a lot on *US* roads...
You guys fund road maintenance with gas taxes, but refuse to increase them like we do here in Europe, so they're often not maintained well at all.
Of course it depends on the roads, with all the various jurisdictions and different areas of responsibilities it's a mess...
I live in Norway, more than half of all cars sold here in the last few years have been electrified in some way (HV, PHEV or EV)
And maintenance needs have gone *down* on average compared to prior to the uptick in electric car sales.
The main issue with quality in the US is just that you produce most of your cars in the US or Mexico because of your tarrif system...
Both areas that accepts parts to be made further away from the actual specifications then European or Asian car manufacturers does.
So even if you buy a European or Asian brand it's usually made in one of those two countries, losing you out on the actual *quality* you'd otherwise get from buying a genuine car from those countries.
Electric cars actually made *here* or imported from Asia (South Korea and Japan in particular) tends to be excellent quality and last for a long time before they need maintenance, at least on our roads.
But because of their tarrifs they're so expensive that you guys are left with the local stuff anyway, and local factories don't *need* to compete on quality anyway since no one can afford the real deal from Europe or Asia.
Forcing companies in those countries to make factories for their vehicles in the US or Mexico, with the quality issues that entails...
Ps. It's not that US or Mexican workers *can't* make quality products.
It's that you guys just don't care about the products or the company just like the companies don't care about you.
The work culture is just bad because of how toxic it is.
You're overworked and mistreated at every turn, and as a result you're about as motivated as the slaves you're treated as used to be...
As a city dweller they are fantastic. The cost of ownership is really low as there's a lot less that can go wrong.
The ev batteries are turning out to last a lot longer than expected, maintenance costs are much much less than for gas vehicles.
I spent $400 on solar panels four years ago and have never paid a penny to charge!
So $400 plus some new tires to commute to work for four years. EVs are definitely the way to go.
Only if you have a huge tax credit available, have a short local commute, do not travel long distances especially away from major cities, and have plenty of convenient charging stations with time available to wait to charge it.
Itâs basically a better deal to buy a more versatile economy Gas car in most circumstances for more than half the price
Yeah the car I looked at did have the tax credit
Itâs basically a math question for you to figure out
Not at this point in time. From what I have read there IS a savings in fuel cost, but right now it's neglible. The range versus gas powered vehicles is not good and charging stations are not common in most areas. Too many questions for me. Like everything else, let the tech perfect then I will consider.
Depends on your needs really. Personally I wouldn't buy one for long distance, because I don't want to have to try to hunt down a charging station on a long trip. If I got one I'd just use it for close trips. I'd probably get one that is less expensive but had a smaller battery.
In my opinion it is a bit early yet. I think it would be several years yet before I ever would even get interested in one. I'd want to see charging networks set up throughout the country first and also cars that could get 700 -800 miles per charge. Until that time they sound like a pain in the ass to have if you do much driving at all.
*No, it is not. Mining materials for it in China and Africa involve using slave labor.
*The majority of electric generation to charge your Tesla's battery uses not only fossil fuels but specifically COAL.
Consider a Hyundai
IONIQ Hybrid. 50+ mpg.
So fun fact
Wind turbines use gas powered motors
I don't remember what causes it but solar panels emit Co2
Hydro electricity still needs gas powered generators
And all these things disrupt the environment
Using less gas isn't helping that much
Maybe if we get nuclear powerd cars but thats just wishful thinking
If you want an electric car get it because it's cool or you like the brand or something else and not because you were told a lie about how are changing the world
Jus look it up
Just
I've found multiple sources on Google
I was partly wrong
It wasn't the wind turbines themselves and rather the equipment used to make them
Also I'm not an idiot because I miss remembered a dump fact I hadn't thought about in at least 8 months
Actually I kinda remember my original source
Sometime in I think mid 2020 I was focusing on nuclear power and I watched a video comparing nuclear energy to the other ways we get energy
Memory is kinda fuzzy though
Bro me did you just say wind turbines use gas? Hydro Electricity uses gas?
Bro, get your life together. you are on some other shit. Do everyone a solid and just sit and think about what you just said. We will wait...
Mate I just got done with his discussion
I got some facts mixed up because because I don't remember every tiny detail to things I've read/watched within the past 8 or more months
Oh sorry, I chose to not read any farther after what you first wrote. I see it now.
I wouldn't feel right not saying something about another thing you wrote though. So, after @Jouth explained why you were wrong, you replied with "I was partly wrong". Normally I would ask you a question about the "partly wrong" portion of your argument then tear it apart but I don't think I want to know your answer. I'm just gonna skip that part and just say -No, in this argument, you are not partially wrong. you're all wrong. I saw you comment about it was the equipment to manufacture the turbines but that's not the topic of the argument. Also there might still be a couple factories out there still using fossil fuels but for the most part they have switched to clean air methods as well.
Ah ok
Iâd say so, except you should know the battery needs to be replaced after like 6-8 years, and I think thatâs pretty expensive, like $5,000-ish.
Actually, Iâm thinking of hybrid batteries. May be different for full electric. Disregard me, Iâm talking out of my ass here lmao
I have no idea about the batteries but I think both hybrid and electric have batteries that are a pain to deal with and very expensive
No offense to anyone. I just want to point out that electric vehicle batteries are typically not rated by years but more so miles driven. Tesla for example, there newer style batteries are rated for 300,000 miles. I know people that have had a car for over 20 years and they haven't put 300,000 on their cars. When I looked at my replacement cost it was like $8500. That's really not bad considering the other repair cost. Teslas have lower annual shop bills. They can get expensive for repair but eazy way around those. Just take care of your car.
@Apple1996 I recommend getting a tesla. They are pretty awesome. You GPS will show you all the charge stations around you and it's shocking how many are out there. These things smoke 99% of the other cars out there.
Depends on how much driving you do and how the infrastructure is where you live. If there isn't much infrastructure or you do a lot of driving, then I'd look into getting a hybrid. Also a side note, if you plan on keeping it for more then 10 years, be prepared to replace the batteries which can cost high as $20k depending on the car.
Hybrid? Sure.
Full Electric? I wouldnât yet given Teslaâs stellar customer service.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/09/tesla-customer-has-been-waiting-more-than-2-years-for-a-model-x-refund.html
Yeah im looking into getting another car too. i looked into electric but i feel going hybrid instead will be my next move... especially for my type of work.
So electric is fine... but i prefer hybrids
The one I was looking into is a hybrid. Haven't put much thought into this yet. Still gathering info before deciding
Yes, if you only ride about 80km a day.
Live in a house and charge it there overnight.
A great plus if your house has a solarpanel system and a tesla powerwall or something similar.
Don't plan on taking long trips with it.
Otherwise, no.
Not yet.
And don't take take the self driving extras.
It probably is. Personally Iâd get a plug in hybrid for more versatility, the prius plus looks like a great option. Electric cars are SEVERELY LIMITED but gas is getting so damn expensive and the world governments are phasing out gas, so unless you have a community run production facility for your fuel electric will probably be a better long term option. Iâm looking into biodeisal and wood burning cars, not something you can buy off the shelf but a deisal car can be converted with relative ease
Right now, with gas over 4 dollars a gallon the electric cars are worth it but if it goes below 4 dollars then no but hybrid is a good choice but wait to buy any cat right now to much money I lucked out and got a 2017 sonic with only 39 thousand miles on it for 11,000 at a lot would have been twice that much after all of their dealers fees
Depends mainly on the infrastructure of the recharging stations, if you live somewhere where there are enough places you can charge the battery its a viable option.
The initial cost is gire than a regular car.
It takes a lot of coal/gas to generate the electricity needed to charge the car. For limited range.
And in five years you'll have to find a place to take the 2000 lb hazardous waste battery when you need to replace it.
If you have your own garage with outlet, I say yes. If not it depends on where you live it might take a while before you see the benefits but in the long run it's the best call, if you can afford it. No need to buy expensive fuel, you can refill the car at home, you could potentially create your own electricity so it doesn't cost you more than the investment. And you will live a healthier life for yourself and other by not polluting the air around you.
NOPE. SAME THEORETICAL DESIGN â˝ď¸ FROM SAME OIL COMPANIES THAT GOVERNMENT HAS COMPROMISED. Simple-likeâŚElectric and Oil are SAME âźď¸
âYou stupid Liberals think it is a Difference at your gas â˝ď¸ pump, Plug.âď¸.
Dumb and Dumber via Saturday Night Live.
YOUR GREEN GOVERNMENT ARE THE OIL COMPANIESâźď¸ The Oil-GREEN companies are THE ONLY PAPER INVESTMENT that I have.
DUMBASSESâŚyou Liberals and âDo-Gooderâ Environmental and Pet Saving Nazis, KEEP paying the AOC and Pelosi taxesâźď¸
No, cause people are reporting that these cars are coming up vandalized
I've heard that about tesla but no others
@Apple1996 Yeah I did hear that about Tesla
electric vehicles are unaffordable by most people , especially those in rural areas, even if GM is trying to lower the price to 30k.
i donât think ur smug enough for an electric car 🤣
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ecnS1Ygf0o0Haha well not all electric owners are smug đ like the car I'm getting is gonna be a minivan and ain't nothing smug about that
At the time no as they are still expensive and almost as bad for the environment as gas i could get a brand new honda civic for 23k yet the cheapest electric car i can think of is 40k thats nearly double the price and the bmw i3 is 45k when you look at it you'll be like why
Until main dealers really embrace EV's and the sticker price drops to sub $13,000 (not everyone needs or wants a Tesla) they they will remain a toy for virtue signalling.
I bought a two year old used one for $17,000 . $400 in solar panels on my shed and I've never had to pay anything to charge it. It's by far the cheapest most reliable transportation I've owned in my 50 years..
Oh, and it ROCKS! Talk about FUN!
Like OnStar?
@Slartybartfast No, they can remotely take over your car whether you are driving it or not, think of it as them using it as a ROV because they have full access to the operating system, cameras, controls, the lot.
The OnStar system can only track, and shut down the car, and enable you to call for assistance.
If you have a Tesla Iâd suggest you find someone more tech savvy than I am and see if you can disable the Over The Air Updates feature as that is probably their back-door into the system.
Most new cars have similar remote software update systems these days, nothing special about EVs other than Tesla being ahead of the curve. The entire industry is headed that way.
I put an electric motor in my old Saturn. Charge it off a couple solar panels on my garage roof.
I only bought the new car as the Saturn ev conversion is getting old (1997) I may use the batteries for backup power at my home.
I might consider a hybrid, by pure electric cars are a long way from being a viable option for me at least. I simply do far too much long distance and remote driving to consider one
I don't think its time for a full on electric car yet. My vehicle is 7 years old now & I'm holding off doing anything for as long as I can. Hopefully 3-4 more years at least.
not now and they contribute to inflation. Power grids can't handle them and new power grids will take trillions of dollars and then you liberals will be crying when they take 90% of your income to make new grids.
Yes and no because youâll probably spend just as much money charging it at the house as you would buying gas and I think the batteries only last maybe 10 years and cost too much to replace for the car to be worth it, but at least you donât have to worry about gas prices
The price of electricity is going to rise and the up-front costs and battery replacement costs are extreme. Itâs not a winning proposition yet.
I drive electric and love it. Only real drawback is if you are traveling distance. But for around the town its just great.
Majority of the charging stations are powered by fossil fuels. From my understanding when the batteries go bad, they are worse for the environment and burning fossil fuels for the entire time that you've owned a typical gas or diesel burning vehicle
I would say. It all depends on what you use it for.. if itâs for short distance around town.. sure they donât have a super long range. If you want to travel a bit. Get a gas powered
Hybrids only for now. I'm anticipating and patiently waiting for the new Ford Maverick!!!
Maybe in todays climate but i will. not be getting one until im forced too and oil and gas become obsolete.
I'm not so sure, the companies that generate the electric still need oil to do so.
Not really no. Especially when it comes to discarding old batteries and getting new ones.
parts and environmental charges for recycling will run people half the price of the car
@888theGreat yup
I wouldn't buy one now. The prices have to come way down. Charging is also an issue. I might buy a hybrid.
The technology is not there yet. Besides we do not have the transmission line infrastructure to handle the increase loads it will cause. Are you willing to live with rolling black or brown outs?
Depends how much you drive? the price of the car? and how long you keep it
Nope, not till they have charging stations everywhere.
Yeah like in the mountains would be great for me, or better yet build a tesla tower network along the side of every road out there.
@Aerissa_Jade Great idea.
If you can afford one and want to avoid high gas bill. I say yes.
According to my friend, he's saving a bundle in gas!
Depends what you buy and what your local charge stations are like.
Buy German or Japanese. None of that American or Tesla crap.
Not in my opinion. With 300to400miles tops on a charge and not sure how long it takes to charge up the batteries. If you are on the road can you stop and charge it up as needed? Are there charging stations near you?
All boils down to as to how much traveling you do. If you often go on long trips, it may not be worth it now as it would be difficult to find re-charging stations. Will also cost you $300-1000 to have a recharger installed at your home.
Its cheaper but truth is i like petrol cars because i want to hear engine
For the city life it's ok, for trips and holidays it's not
I mean good news is that you don't pay for gas everyday. but you have to replace battery every 5 years and it will cost you like $7000 ~ 20,000.
Yes but I still feel like I should wait for a while. Most electric cars still donât look that great either. Theyâll become much cheaper in the future
All new cars look effin ugly to me.
More expensive to buy, unless you do many many short journeys, not worht it imho,,,
I hope that terrible fad dies
I don't think it will lol
My truck runs on a full tank of Nissan leafs...
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