Has AI destroyed our trust in photographs?

[AviatorTom]

We've all learned to trust photographs. If the photo shows something it must be true. If I say Tiananmen Square, you will, most likely, envision the photograph of a man bravely standing in front of a tank... that really happened. There are many other examples of this.

To be blunt, we trust pictures.

But that may no longer be the case. AI tools have become so sophisticated that it is practically impossible to tell the difference between an original photo and an AI-doctored one, as shown in the attached pictures.

So what should we do?

Should we no longer trust pictures, don't allow them as evidence in court? Should we require original photos and AI-generated photos to be watermarked as to what they really are?

[CrazyGirl2]

Yeah, I’d say so in a big way! I mean Photoshop was bad enough, but at least w/ Photoshop someone had to be a highly skilled digital photo editor to alter a picture to make it actually look realistic! Now, any idiot can create a completely fake photo, that isn't just somehow slightly changed, it is an image that never existed in the real world… ever!

I was having a discussion about this with Lee (my fiancé) a few weeks ago. He told me it was so much worse than I realized, and that literally anyone could now take an innocent selfie and make it look like a nude! I didn’t believe that would even be legal, so he asked me to send him a quick body length selfie, and he showed me an app that literally removed my fckn’ clothes, and made it look like I took a naked selfie! Now, obviously I know it’s not my body, but god forbid an employer, or even worse a client, friend, a child, or other family member saw that, how would they ever know it was a TOTALLY FREE AI generated fake nude of me? So yes, I think the existence of AI, running so called “deep fake” software, completely erases our trust in what we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears!

When you can no longer trust what your own eyes tell you, then we are completely FVCKED as a society! Fake news stories are bad, but when they have a supporting photograph with them… How could we ever trust anything we see online, in a newspaper or even on TV again?

I hope this helps.
Laura. 🤗 🥰

[AviatorTom]

@CrazyGirl2 Thanks for the example. I'm guessing Lee had fun using AI to remove your clothes. 😉

[CrazyGirl2]

He gets to see me naked whenever he wants, I mean we do live together. So, I don’t think it was for the enjoyment of it, he immediately deleted the picture, and then deleted it from the “deleted” folder. So he respected my wishes regarding no nude pics! I think he was just trying to show me how easy it is, and how I should be careful about sending anyone pictures with my face, b/c people literally can do that now! It’s shocking how it’s not illegal, especially given that I own the copyright to my likeness, as does everyone. So if anyone published an image of me, let's say on a porn site, or even something like Reddit, especially without clothes, it would be a violation of Title 17 USC. and they could face (I believe) between 5yrs and 20yrs in prison (although it’s highly unlikely) but still. How could a site like that exist?

[CrazyGirl2]

@AviatorTom Thank you so much for the MHO, sweetie. I truly appreciate it each and every time. 🥰

[texascollegegirl]

Yes. To give a practical example d*ck pics could never be trusted, but now even more than ever, a girl who wants BD will get fakes. It's a little less often for me because I'm into BBC so there are more guys who are real with that, or at least a lot of the liars are eliminated because they aren't Black. But still a girl always needs a way to verify. For me the only use of a d*ck pic is ones I took myself after being with one of the these guys.

It's amazing how many guys would promise a girl they have something they don't have, knowing we will learn it's not that big as soon as we are alone, but still they do it. It's kind of scary. So the AI has kind of destroyed the idea of hooking up with guys from online and knowing they have what they say they do in their pants. Face to face is better but it has to be the right situation where everybody knows a hookup is possible.

[nawtee_me]

That is why I cam with girls so we can see each other live….

[texascollegegirl]

@nawtee_me Right but the problem is how to get it to that point because so many guys are fake. If I head to the football dorm or the basketball court at my college or go to the right club, the guys are right in front of me and if they say they have it, then I can grope to see if it's true. Online is not like that. I don't mind at all if everyone here knows I'm a slut for big dick Black guys, but I don't need that spreading online with a recording of me when it's some small dick guy Black or white getting in a rage that I like big Black ones.

[nawtee_me]

I understand completely. It is not just dick…. I have girls lie to me about what they look like knowing that I will notice as soon as we go on cam and yet they still do it.

[texascollegegirl]

@nawtee_me Sure whereas everyone can tell in the first half second if the looks are enough to consider fucking. Then for me the main remaining must have info is his dick big the way I need it? Online takes so much more time and it's not as exciting as face to face, just feeling that nervousness looking each other over or figuring out which guys in a group say at a basketball court have the biggest dicks. I kind of wish it was easier because it opens you up to harassment by people who hate sluts or don't like that they don't have what you want down there and you won't compromise on that.

[nawtee_me]

We should all just go nude…. lol. I know I don’t have what you are looking for and I am white too. I am okay with that however since I don’t have that big ego. I also think more girls are sluts than want to admit it. It is refreshing to talk to girls who are happy being who they are. Slutty and all….

[texascollegegirl]

@nawtee_me I think if we went nude more than we would be freer to be the sluts we are. We have to hide it a lot. I know a lot of girls who fuck big dick Blacks on the side but won't admit it, and pretend they don't even like big dick, much less that the only thing they want sex with is those guys. Those guys should also be able to share that info and take what girls want to give.

[nawtee_me]

So let me ask, does oral do it for you? Do you like to receive?

[Sevenpointfive]

ahhh, you must be one of them houston girls.

[texascollegegirl]

@Sevenpointfive Small town I only went to the big city for the first time once when I was 15. I only moved when I was 17. But I know the girls you are talking about since I went to college.

[Sevenpointfive]

it's strange. doesn't happen as often at UT, even though it happens to a lesser degree. i get it. girls get lonely and a black man won't take no for an answer.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Oh, if You're worried about photos no longer being viable evidence in courts, You're mostly worrying over nothing. Photos in digital form contain hidden metadata. Lack of metadata or incorrect metadata would mean the photo is fake, and a skilled specialist can easily verify these metadata. Well... Maybe the police could send innocent people to jail, because they are the most likely to have experts capable of convincingly faking these metadata. But to be honest... If they want to send someone to jail, they don't really have to tamper with photos to do that, they can tamper with much more vulnerable evidence, so AI deepfakes change nothing in this regard.

On the other hand, AI-generated deepfakes bring about new hope regarding privacy. For example, if I wanted to get myself a profile photo on GaG, but keep my privacy, I could easily create a believeable avatar that would not reveal my face, but still provide some realistic depiction of me for my friends to get familiar with. And that goes far beyond GaG. This kind of technology allows the freedom fighters in the Dark Net to form closer connections, maybe even establish some system of mutual identification against totalitarian-serving raiders, without disclosing their true identities.

[abc3643]

Not just AI.

Go back a generation or two to Photoshop, etc.

AI and IT is fomenting a distrust or suspicion in every single digital artifact.

This is going to make evidence in court difficult with a lot of criminals being let go because of "reasonable doubt".

This should be self-evident by now given how easily people are duped by Trump and believe in any and every conspiracy against him or anything else they don't like.

Another reason why I am glad I did not have kids.

I knew I was on-board the Titanic during Reagan's First Administration.

Every single fucking day I am proven that I made the right decision.

[hahahmm]

People have been photoshopping images for a long time & some of them are very good fakes even if many weren't so I don't think it changes anything yet. Besides, the legal system is always about money. If you're rich you can afford the lawyer (or bribes) to avoid going to prison and if you aren't you would get railroaded without any pictures. Look at the Epstein child sex workers/slave stuff. FBI raided his island and collected tons of evidence but never lift a finger to do anything to the VIPs who were always hanging out with him on the island and who victims even say were involved.

[RingOfFire]

Yes I think you can no longer trust what you see in pictures even videos. AI is getting that good.

However, with the advent of filters, you have not been able to trust what you see in pictures of people for some years even before AI. I once met a girl for a date from an online dating site several years ago who looked absolutely nothing like her picture. I suspected it might be filtering of some kind altering her appearance, but I was shocked when I actually saw the difference in person. I didn't even recognize her.

[purplepoppy]

I think nowadays you have to go by the reputation of the source and ask yourself why only this small news site has a picture of Trump giving head but all the main sites don't. Not great i know but most of us haven't the time to run images through checking software.

[RebelinSteel]

Not just photos but also videos. Have a look at Grok 2.0, it has very few restrictions, no copyright restrictions and it’s quality is some of the best out there.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/iI_fHFXxH0A

[RebelinSteel]

analyticsindiamag.com/.../

[slatyb]

Any document can be digitally signed and then verified. Digital cameras can digitally sign each image so that the image can be verified to have been created by that camera. AI image generators could do the same so those images could be verified to have been created by AI. Altering a signed image will invalidate the signature.

[slatyb]

The problem with this method is that the signing key will have to be stored in the creating device like a camera. The owner of the camera could extract the signing key and use it to sign altered photographs.

[Anonymous]

This is nothing new. Hollywood has had this technology for decades, buddy. It’s basically just photoshop. I can garauntee you even before AI people who were proficient with photoshop would still have been able to add stuff to a photo like that.

[Opinion Owner]

Not to mention, you’re exaggerating. AI can still be told apart from real images. AI still looks cartoonish. The issue is not the AI, it’s that most people don’t use common sense.

[Surely]

Just image getting framed by AI for something that you didn’t do. But it on video? Wouldn’t be fun if the J6 Capitol invasion would have all Democrat’s faces transplanted on the videos?
Don’t know how. But there needs to be some accountability on AI doctored videos.

[bobby_bush_eater]

Yeah it's fucked, it will get worse.

Regulation will be very difficult to write in ways that doesn't violate the the bill of rights and certain privacy laws but it doesn't help the leaders in Congress and the Senate are dinosaurs who don't and won't understand any of the technical processes in these LLMs.

[MisterWack]

There are reverse engine lookup sites on the internet which will just get better n better, phones have dates & time & place on photos/videos so it would be easy to figure out if real/fake especially compared to security cam footage and others filming nearby.

I think we will be fine though it scares me.

[jshm2]

Don't be silly. Never trust ANYTHING you see, hear, smell, taste or feel at face value.

There is always a lot more to things than you can ever immediately understand.

[luvstoned4him]

In everything..

Now it's just photos and music

What next?

[msc545]

I don't think that most of us trust much of anything anymore. I have recounted facts to people on this site and they've responded by telling me" fake news" when they didn't like what I said.

[_Senorita_]

Yesss everything is fake not like the real world... All these fantasies take us nowhere

[Anonymous]

It will be hard to trust pictures and soon videos

[Anonymous]

Adobe Photoshop killed trust. AI just levelled it up.

[DishLady]

Photoshop did that...

[Kelley1]

I believe you should if you trust the source.

[MicahRaine]

Yes it has destroyed our trust

[KostasKouvalis]

A little, yeah

[Drewtate]

The Instagram filters did that.

[avery58]

Pretty much