Girls, If you have a functioning womb you may want to have an out-of-state abortion plan ready if you live in any of these states.

[Still-alive]

Alabama—Pre-Roe ban, Near-total ban, State constitution bars protection
Arizona—Pre-Roe ban
Arkansas—Pre-Roe ban, Trigger ban, Near-total ban
Georgia—Six-week ban
Idaho—Trigger ban, Six-week ban
Iowa—Six-week ban
Kentucky—Trigger ban, Six-week ban
Louisiana—Trigger ban, Near-total ban, Six-week ban, State constitution bars protection
Michigan—Pre-Roe ban
Mississippi—Pre-Roe ban, Trigger ban, Six-week ban
Missouri—Trigger ban, Eight-week ban
North Dakota—Trigger ban, Six-week ban
Ohio—Six-week ban
Oklahoma—Pre-Roe ban, Trigger ban (effective November 1, 2021), Near-total ban, Six-week ban
South Carolina—Six-week ban
South Dakota—Trigger ban
Tennessee—Trigger ban, Six-week ban, State constitution bars protection
Texas—Pre-Roe ban, Trigger ban, Six-week ban
Utah—Trigger ban, Near-total ban
West Virginia—Pre-Roe ban, State constitution bars protection

Wisconsin—Pre-Roe ban

Florida—In 2021, the state legislature attempted to ban abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy and an effort to adopt a Texas-style six-week ban has already been publicized.

Indiana—In the past decade, the legislature has enacted 55 abortion restrictions and bans, paving the way for a comprehensive ban.

Montana—For the first time in nearly a decade, new abortion restrictions were enacted in 2021, including restrictions on medication abortion and abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy. (These restrictions currently cannot be enforced due to a court order.)

Nebraska—Although not one of the most prolific states on enacting abortion restrictions, it was the first to adopt a 22-week ban (in 2010), and in 2020, enacted a ban on the standard method for abortion after 15 weeks.

Wyoming—In 2021, new restrictions on abortion were enacted and a six-week abortion ban was seriously considered by the legislature.

So yeahh. Of course if you can just simply move out of any of these states, by all means go for it.

oh Whats that? You’re too poor or can't afford a plan to go out of state to get an abortion? Well according to these states “tough shit.”

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2021/10/26-states-are-certain-or-likely-ban-abortion-without-roe-heres-which-ones-and-why

[Whatthefluff]

Thanks for sharing this list. I have absolutely no scientific research, but in my personal experience it seems teenage pregnancies are more common in Southern states. What's unfortunate is that some of these states also have underperforming/unavailable social welfare programs overall. Meaning that those who are put up to have a child are not even going to be helped. It's so sad when you actually see this. So many people are suffering financially, and how is it any good to be born into poverty because there wasn't any choice? It really says a lot about these states where the minimum wage so happens to be unlivable, there aren't as many social programs out there, there is less an emphasis on formal education, and struggling people are overall treated like shit.
How is this fair? I may be a filthy "liberal" to suggest that this is no way to treat citizens, but so be it.
Again, I have no "science" behind these statements; they are pure observations on what I have seen in real life.

[Still-alive]

www.yahoo.com/.../...rturn-abortion-003210049.html

its happening!

[Whatthefluff]

It's hard to believe. Roe v Wade was decided upon decades ago. Why is the Supreme Court even thinking about whether to repeal this decision to individual states. I legitimately don't get it

[Still-alive]

cause this is what conservatives have wanted since then. and they managed to stack the court during trump's presidency. no thanks to Hilary for being a shitty democratic candidate. and also Ruth Bader Ginsburg for refusing to step down while obama was still president.

[Whatthefluff]

Yeah I can't argue with that.
It's just so sad to me. We have the knowledge and ability to carry about safe medical procedures. No one is forced to do it. It is there as a choice for people's freedoms and sense of self to be actualized.
I live in a community where the average salary is under poverty levels. I'm telling you, I see people in less than ideal situations every day. The town I live in also has a drug and alcohol problem, probably partially having to do with the duress of poverty. It would be a less than ideal situation to become parents. Did you know that environmental/mental stress affects the fetus?
I am glad someone leaked these docs. It's always going to be a controversial subject, but hopefully Supreme Court will see what the consequences are.

[Msputiton]

Both the state i live in, and the one i go to college are on this list.
But I'm not surprised 🥴

[Still-alive]

Well just dont have sex for awhile and you’re good 👌

[Msputiton]

Lmao.

[loves2learn]

Lmao!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[Msputiton]

@loves2learn even if i have sex can't get preggers🤫

[lisalikes]

Just have oral sex. Now we have to train the "men" on how to do it.

[Still-alive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShfWkRpA8xQ

welp its happening smh

[CrazyGirl2]

A functional womb, why does that matter? Seven MEN (w/o functional wombs) passed Roe. The opinions of seven wombless men gave women the federal right to an abortion, that was a “landmark decision” and I have NEVER ONCE heard anyone say THOSE men should not have an opinion on abortion b/c of their lack of wombs! So why all of a sudden do men’s opinions not matter?
Anyway, as anyone who knows me knows, I was raped at 13 and a pregnancy resulted. Due to the rapist being my fathers twin, there were massive genetic issues w/the fetus, and because my body was under-developed, I was incapable of carrying a baby to term, and the processes could’ve likely killed me! Even if the pregnancy and delivery did not kill me, we were assured that I would likely never bear any other children as a result. As such an emergency surgical D & C (abortion) was scheduled for the following day. It was so traumatic, I needed a sedative and an amnesiac on the morning of the surgery so I wouldn't remember a thing about that day, and it worked, I do not! But I still carry guilt and depression over that abortion, and I truly just wanted “IT” out of me! I’ve read a lot about Roe, and according to constitutional experts it seems that it was wrongly decided. (To be clear, I AM pro choice) but Roe innumerates a constitutional right which does not exist! The right to privacy is not in the constitution as a matter of constitutional law! Again, I’m NOT against Roe, I just wish it could be reargued and somehow kept using actual constitutional rights, instead of a faux right to privacy, so it stands forever as unassailable. If it is overturned, I will be right-there helping its replacement pass on solid constitutional grounds. But we liberals lost the right to say My Body My Choice forever, when we forced conservatives who didn’t want an experimental vaccine injected into THEIR bodies to either get it or loose their jobs, their right to travel, and even to buy anything except basic food supplies! IMHO

[loves2learn]

Whew dodged that bullet. Nahh, I would never get one. Plus Mrloves had a vasectomy.

[Still-alive]

www.yahoo.com/.../...rturn-abortion-003210049.html

its happening!

[Snsl153]

Actually, I have a much better plan. I plan on not sleeping around with strangers, with people I barely know. You see, there's this thing called "self discipline", and something else called "self respect".
This may come as a real shock to you, but in order to have an abortion one must first get pregnant, and the way to get pregnant is to have sex. I know, such an out-there concept. If I don't have sex, guess what? I won't need to have an "abortion plan".
Abstinence, self-discipline, self-respect. Concepts that are not too hard to grasp. :) :*

[Still-alive]

Yes we all know you love to slut shame….

[Snsl153]

LOL, no I don't. I've never even used the S-word, but this MyTake of yours is just absolutely appalling and disgraceful. I, on the other hand, was simply pointing out the glaringly obvious to those who can't seem to see it (which is most people, apparently). :)

[Still-alive]

nah you already expressed your distaste for women who like to have sex on another topic where i utterly destroyed you. i guess you want more of that huh? you also said you'd pretty much disown your own hypothetical daughter if she got pregnant and an abortion...

you are appalling and disgraceful miss.

[Snsl153]

Hmm... You claim to have "utterly destroyed" me. Nope, you must have me confused with someone else, because in all that time I've been on GAG, that's never occurred. If this had happened, you would have at least provided the link to the conversation here, because of course I'm not going to just take your word for that. Personally I just think you're talking out of your ass, as you always do. You've got quite a reputation for doing that :)

[Still-alive]

i could and have posted links to just about everything proving how not only is abstinence in effective and useless but banning abortions won't actually prevent abortions at all but safe abortions instead. and many women will die as a result of that. but your tactic is to just claim 'false news' like most people like you do and lets just be real here you don't give a shit about actual empirical data or facts. all you care about is 'owning the libs.' thats all your side stands for these days. fucking pathetic.

anyways nah i spanked you royally. you know I did too and just playing dumb.

[Snsl153]

Okay, look, let me explain something to you. You say that "abstinence doesn't work", but it does. It doesn't work for those who pretend to be abstinent, or who are abstinent some of the time but not always, and those who just lie to others about it. The fact is (and you can check this online if you want to, no one will stop you) that if you don't have sex, you will not get pregnant. It's a simple equation really.
All it takes is a little self-discipline. Now, I realise that that concept is now seen as being rather old-fashioned and quaint, but it truly is beneficial for the character of the person practicing it. Instead of killing children all the time, instead of sacrificing them to Moloch, wouldn't it just be simpler and easier for everyone involved to just not do something that might involve the risk of an unwanted pregnancy? Isn't that just plain common sense?
There, I just spanked you again! :* :D

[Snsl153]

Oh, and one other thing. I've been abstinent now for years, so you won't be able to accuse me of being a hypocrite, if that's what you had in mind as some kind of "gotcha!" response. :)

[Still-alive]

yeah this is pointless lol. you have no interest in the truth or empirical data even if i showed it to you.

[Cherry234]

Good to know. Well, good thing I live in New York. And wow, sheesh...26 states.

[Cherry234]

It's a good thing I'm not currently living in any of those states.

[Still-alive]

Yeah you and women in my state are safe.

[Cherry234]

I don't even want to move to those states. God forbid I had to go to one of those states (e. g. for work) then I would have to get permanent birth control whenever I want to have sex. I don't really have sex anyway though. I don't want to be too worried about this.

[Still-alive]

Yeah the whole abortion debate is soo facetious anyways. Its not about saving or preserving life its more about controlling women and shaming them if they like to have sex.

[Cherry234]

What I don't get is why people think killing a fetus is so wrong (during the first trimester I mean, not the third trimester). There are worse things in this world that are more cruel and violent. Some people get so worked up over it.

[Cherry234]

So you're saying those anti-abortion people don't really care about preserving lives? Unless they're far-right.

[Still-alive]

Not really cause if they were they would be advocating for more aid and help after a child is born too, but of course they dont do that sooo is ot really about preserving life? I think not. Its bullshit

[Cherry234]

I'm not sure it's really about shaming women for having sex but shaming women for not taking precautions during sex to prevent themselves from getting pregnant.

[Still-alive]

But if that were the case these ultra right wingers would push more for contraceptives being free and taught in schools, but instead they push abstinence only which has proven to be ineffective at preventing unwanted pregnancies

[Cherry234]

Oh okay I see what you're saying. Yeah abstinence is not the key in preventing pregnancy and abortions.

[Cherry234]

Those extreme right wingers are so bad that they're against abortion even if keeping the baby could potentially harm the woman or kill her.

[Still-alive]

Yup pretty much :/

[Cherry234]

I could go on and on about this topic but this thread is getting pretty long.

[Still-alive]

www.yahoo.com/.../...rturn-abortion-003210049.html

its happening!

[Koneko911]

I knew about this. It's why I started birth control. I hate kids as I've told you. So if I did get pregnant I would get the abortion. Even if my ass had to travel to get it. Though I don't see Florida adopting the 6 week bullshit

[menina]

Well I don't live in the US and at this point of my life getting pregnant would be impossible even though I have a functioning womb.
Abortion is a complicated and controversial topic everywhere.

[dustybiker]

No more sex in those states.

[Still-alive]

Pretty much lol

[cutiepatootie26]

Why would I have an abortion plan when I am not planning on aborting a child? I am planning on engaging in safe sex...

[Still-alive]

Accidents can still happen and if you aren't in a place where you can afford them or raise them properly then well just noce to have a plan in place jic

[cutiepatootie26]

The effectiveness of a copper IUD is 99.2%. You can pretty much guarantee you don't get pregnant if you're responsible about sex. But even if I did get pregnant and didn't have the money, I'd keep it and find a way so there's that.

[Still-alive]

thats good for you, but lots of other women will want a plan. accidents can and do happen

[cutiepatootie26]

I guess what I'm saying is that the better thing to do than work out the complicated process of getting an abortion plan in a state you are not a resident of, is to figure out how you can maximize your chances of not getting pregnant. One great and effective way to do that is to try contraception methods that have a low risk of failure. If you're still worried, overlap contraception methods- Get an IUD and use condoms. The rate of "accidents" after that is minuscule.

[Still-alive]

what if they don't and get pregnant anyways? should she still have the baby? sometimes sex ed sucks and they don't even know what you say. these states seem to like to push abstinence only education as well which unfortunately doesn't seem to stop people from having sex anyways.

[cutiepatootie26]

I feel you. I think its asinine to think that teenagers will all be abstinent. That said, I'm from Missouri and we had a good contraception lecture in 5th grade. Most of us knew about how to use a condom before we started puberty. So maybe there should be more done to make sure there's a standard education on these matters, particularly in states that restrict abortion. There could also be online campaigns where doctors could discuss these matters with teens in a responsible manner. I think all of these things are good and I would support them.

But I think in general people shouldn't see abortion as just another contraceptive. I know people who don't even use condoms because they say if they get pregnant they'll just abort it. I think sex should be engaged in responsibly.

[Still-alive]

are you pro life?

[cutiepatootie26]

I explained my view but you need me to say catch phrases like "pro life" or "pro choice" in order to have an opinion on what I am saying. This is ultimately what is wrong with the way we talk to each other. Being pro-choice, one should at least recognize that abortion isn't something to aspire to, it is a traumatic process for a lot of women and its best to avoid. Being pro-life, one should recognize that some girls are told by this society and by their parents that they shouldn't have children unless they have succeeded in their career and have attained some level of economic status. It is a lot of pressure. Some people are afraid of being a poor, single mother.

I think classifying people in terms of whether they are "prochoice" or "prolife" is a way to narrow the overton window on acceptable dialogue. Deal with what people are saying, don't try to put them in your preconceived box.

[Still-alive]

whoa whoa calm down. im just curious.

[Still-alive]

"Some people are afraid of being a poor, single mother. "

yeah... thats bad isn't it?

[cutiepatootie26]

Yeah its really bad. I'm middle class but my mom and her family grew up with almost nothing. So I can understand someone who wants to improve themselves and don't want their kids to struggle. But I think there's also an aspect of this where the society we live in tells us that we're worthless unless you attain some level of economic prosperity and achieve in your career and your relationship. People want to go to Uni, finish, get the dream job, pick a perfect husband, and then raise kids. In reality life is really messy and we should be doing much more to support a world in which when you mess up and have a kid, it doesn't absolutely wreck your life. A world where dropping out of school and taking care of your baby isn't looked at as a negative by every corporation and business you might later try to get a job at. A world where a woman doesn't feel like she has to abort her child to climb the corporate ladder.
Anyways, sorry I got wrote so much. And thanks for being willing to hear me out. :)

[Still-alive]

well whatever their socio-economic background i just still like women to have that choice if desired. i know most women do not take abortion lightly if they decide to go that route, but i simply want that choice to remain. and if they really want a baby while they are poor that should be their choice as well.

[Whatthefluff]

I'm glad for you, but so many people don't have the privilege of your situation. Please show compassion for those who are less fortunate.

[KelleyNice]

If you cannot afford to buy a $100 ticket to another state, you cannot afford the $3,000 to $5,000 for an abortion.

[On_cloud_wine]

You’re for abortion?

[Still-alive]

im pro-choice

[On_cloud_wine]

Even if she’s 9 months pregnant with your baby?

[Still-alive]

i take it you are pro-life?

It hardly ever happens, but in that case only if the mothers life is in danger should she continue with the pregnancy

[On_cloud_wine]

I don’t see it any differently how far along she is.. they even have videos of the baby squirming like it’s in pain as they kill it when it’s not even full term

[On_cloud_wine]

I am pro-life

[Still-alive]

most abortions don't happen that late.

[Whatthefluff]

https://youtu.be/jcvxud6ISdc
Bet you'll still eat meat though.