Racism: "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." Enlighten me on how this fits the definition. It's segregation maybe, but certainly not racist.
It discriminates people of a different skin color from the graduation. From what you're saying, colored bathrooms or schools shouldn't matter so long as you don't feel superior. Only that's not how it works. By creating these environments you are creating hostilities on the basis of skin color. Why can't a white person attend? Because he's not qualified based on skin color alone. Why is skin color a qualification? it isn't. saying it is is saying that one skin color is superior to the other. ergo this is racist
@ravedave Discrimination. If white people aren't allowed to attend and graduate at the ceremony then that is discriminatory. The acid test would be the reaction if a white only graduation ceremony was held. Do you think that would escape the racism tag?
Both of you need to go learn what the difference is between racism and segregation. If the motive behind this ceremony was that the students and faculty believe that whites are inferior, you might have a point, and it would qualify as racism, but as it stands that's not at all why this ceremony is being held.
@ravedave No, you need to stop relying on the dictionary to support you when you don't have anything to say for yourself. As I said, if you can tell me that a white only graduation ceremony would escape the accusation of racism then fine. You know you can't though, people would absolutely shit if it were even attempted. Words in the dictionary evolve based on their popular usage. There is no way that discrimination based on colour, whatever the reason, would be allowed if it was applied by white people.
Dude just because the public reaction would be to cry racism doesn't make it true. People now a days think jokes should be censored, and that hate speech isn't covered by the first amendment. The reaction of the masses means jack shit.
If your beliefs are not motivated by the idea that your race is superior, it's not racism. That's a simple fact. @ me when you actually have a logical argument, please and thank you π
@ravedave We're not talking about college campus hysteria, hate speech or censoring jokes. We're talking about exclusion based on race alone. Tell me where else that is allowed to happen in Western society? Give me some examples of white only ceremonies that are condoned by major institutions of international renown.
1st, only speech that isn't protected is speech that defends or promotes violence
2nd, segregation on skin color alone is not a reason to hold a ceremony. again, saying that skin color is a qualification. This is what makes the skin color superior quality. ergo, racism
Yes, the general population doesn't support segregation, but it's too sensitive a topic to argue when it's a minority group instituting the idea. But once again: racism =/= segregation. You don't seem to understand the fact that the general populations reaction does not change facts. No matter how many people whine and bitch about a "whites only ceremony" being racist, it's not unless the motives are because they think whites are superior. Like I said @ me when you've got a real rebuttal.
@GamerWB except their motives aren't only to separate the races, it's to celebrate the achievements and recognize the struggles this minority group has faced. Maybe if they made a black ceremony and white ceremony just because they believed they shouldn't be together, maybe you'd have a point.
@ravedave You don't get to decide what a real rebuttal is. You talk about facts but that would be assuming that the dictionary states absolute facts. How do you think the dictionary evolves? It is lead by the popular usage of words, hence why words are added to the dictionary with each and every addition. It is led by the masses whose opinions you discount. You base your entire argument on a dictionary defintion, you have offered nothing else. Your thinking is severely limited.
I never said anything about the white only ceremony, he did. I am saying by creating qualifications you are saying that there are different qualities in a person. Different qualities mean differences in the human themselves including some that would say is superior to others. this is what makes it racist. Calling it a different word (segregation) with a different meaning doesn't exclude the fact that it is also doing this. ergo racist
Lmfao, man if you seriously think racism should include things that aren't based on racial superiority I don't even know why I'm still responding. That's ridiculous, and you sound like a typical sjw.
If there notice are to separate achievement then they are declaring these achievements as a superior reason to hold a ceremony and there is no need to exclude white people from the ceremony to do that.
You seem to be missing my entire argument about qualification and how quality can determine superiority. Otherwise why not include white people in the ceremony? Is this not an achievement white civil rights advocates can bask in or are they not qualified because they aren't PoC?
@ravedave The SJW argument is the white flag of the modern debate. Accusations of white knight, beta, cuck or SJW are used when there is no other argument left. Still, if it gives you an easy out then I understand you taking it. Probably best all round.
Nah, it can also be used when you realize the opposition is too easily offended and wants to make everything that triggers them some sort of big issue. Like I said, wanting to change the definition of racism to include things not based on racial superiority is absolute nonsense.
Never changed the definition. Simply told you how segregation in this manner creates quality, ergo superiority, ergo racism. Choosing to ignore that is on you. This isn't a demographic. What you're saying is that you want a fruit salad that excludes tomatoes. I'm saying it's not a even a fruit salad and that your telling me that plants can't grow in the same soil as the others despite being ideal soil because of what kind of plant they are.
@ravedave I forgot to include accusations of offence and being triggered, they are also the white flags of debate surrender. You want me to be offended, I can understand that. It's another easy out for you. You clearly get your debating skills from Youtube videos. You are too rigid in your thinking. That's okay though, give it time, you'll learn.
@MysteriousDarkness it feels good seeing black people graduate from an ivy league school. Especially when you don't see it in the media, all you see is drug dealers and baby mamas. It may encourage younger black people to go to college.
@piscesbluedreams it's not the same, nazi Germany was about a white people wanting to dominate everything and killing minorities, this is about seeing someone graduating. Seeing black people graduate from an ivy league school is inspiring. Maybe they don't want to be overshadowed by everyone else.
Yeah, you are right it's not the same but it's wrong to segregate by race and doesn't actually help improve current social attitudes. After all, isn't the aim to smash glass ceilings? It's only natural that an elite-ist establishment like Harvard would though..
It just looks like African Americans struggled and achieved so much against the odds, to basically act like the privileged white people that oppressed them. Segregate themselves for a special ceremony for the special folk. The whole principle is fucked up.
Am not American by the way, so my opinion is that of an outsider.
@LucyS514 whites couldn't hold a white only graduation but blacks can, special treatment and accommodation for them only. I think that qualifies as privilege
@LucyS514 no such thing? When you live in a first world country and do better than the millions of children who starve to death or die from preventable diseases in the world? Or get blown up? Check your goddam priveledge. You live a priveleged life, you're just too ignorant to see it. If you live in a house, are clothed, fed, inoculated, safe from harm you're priveleged. Get over yourself.
@Blonde401 even in first world countries there is an order, and obviously blacks are getting privilge that whites are not according to this article, sure life in america isb etter than life in nigeria, but inside the country itself there are rules that must be followed you just murder someone and say " oh well life in first world countries are better so one person is killed thats not an issue" your logic makes no sense, but again making sense doesn't seem like your strognest point... you like sex?
@CoolSky01 your entire rant makes zero sense. She said an absolute 'no such thing' as black privilege. Yes there is. That was my point. I didn't bring murder into it. If you're going to argue try and be more cohesive in what you're saying because I have absolutely no clue what your argument is.
@CoolSky01 coming from you? Who also far has done nothing but rant and rave and show no real debate skills? Must have touched a nerve there. 'Your place is not here' π Ok son. If you say so.
@CoolSky01 I wasn't even arguing with you in the first place? You're the one who's ranted and raved with no real argument. You've done nothing but insult me and make absolutely no points because you clearly can't debate. So you shouldn't be on a site that is about debate, not me. Stop headbutting the keyboard and type clearly for a change.
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Racism. Pure and simple.
Racism: "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." Enlighten me on how this fits the definition. It's segregation maybe, but certainly not racist.
It discriminates people of a different skin color from the graduation. From what you're saying, colored bathrooms or schools shouldn't matter so long as you don't feel superior. Only that's not how it works. By creating these environments you are creating hostilities on the basis of skin color. Why can't a white person attend? Because he's not qualified based on skin color alone. Why is skin color a qualification? it isn't. saying it is is saying that one skin color is superior to the other. ergo this is racist
@ravedave Discrimination. If white people aren't allowed to attend and graduate at the ceremony then that is discriminatory. The acid test would be the reaction if a white only graduation ceremony was held. Do you think that would escape the racism tag?
Both of you need to go learn what the difference is between racism and segregation. If the motive behind this ceremony was that the students and faculty believe that whites are inferior, you might have a point, and it would qualify as racism, but as it stands that's not at all why this ceremony is being held.
@ravedave No, you need to stop relying on the dictionary to support you when you don't have anything to say for yourself. As I said, if you can tell me that a white only graduation ceremony would escape the accusation of racism then fine. You know you can't though, people would absolutely shit if it were even attempted. Words in the dictionary evolve based on their popular usage. There is no way that discrimination based on colour, whatever the reason, would be allowed if it was applied by white people.
Dude just because the public reaction would be to cry racism doesn't make it true. People now a days think jokes should be censored, and that hate speech isn't covered by the first amendment. The reaction of the masses means jack shit.
If your beliefs are not motivated by the idea that your race is superior, it's not racism. That's a simple fact. @ me when you actually have a logical argument, please and thank you π
@ravedave We're not talking about college campus hysteria, hate speech or censoring jokes. We're talking about exclusion based on race alone. Tell me where else that is allowed to happen in Western society? Give me some examples of white only ceremonies that are condoned by major institutions of international renown.
1st, only speech that isn't protected is speech that defends or promotes violence
2nd, segregation on skin color alone is not a reason to hold a ceremony. again, saying that skin color is a qualification. This is what makes the skin color superior quality. ergo, racism
Yes, the general population doesn't support segregation, but it's too sensitive a topic to argue when it's a minority group instituting the idea. But once again: racism =/= segregation. You don't seem to understand the fact that the general populations reaction does not change facts. No matter how many people whine and bitch about a "whites only ceremony" being racist, it's not unless the motives are because they think whites are superior. Like I said @ me when you've got a real rebuttal.
@GamerWB except their motives aren't only to separate the races, it's to celebrate the achievements and recognize the struggles this minority group has faced. Maybe if they made a black ceremony and white ceremony just because they believed they shouldn't be together, maybe you'd have a point.
@ravedave You don't get to decide what a real rebuttal is. You talk about facts but that would be assuming that the dictionary states absolute facts. How do you think the dictionary evolves? It is lead by the popular usage of words, hence why words are added to the dictionary with each and every addition. It is led by the masses whose opinions you discount. You base your entire argument on a dictionary defintion, you have offered nothing else. Your thinking is severely limited.
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I never said anything about the white only ceremony, he did. I am saying by creating qualifications you are saying that there are different qualities in a person. Different qualities mean differences in the human themselves including some that would say is superior to others. this is what makes it racist. Calling it a different word (segregation) with a different meaning doesn't exclude the fact that it is also doing this. ergo racist
Lmfao, man if you seriously think racism should include things that aren't based on racial superiority I don't even know why I'm still responding. That's ridiculous, and you sound like a typical sjw.
If there notice are to separate achievement then they are declaring these achievements as a superior reason to hold a ceremony and there is no need to exclude white people from the ceremony to do that.
You seem to be missing my entire argument about qualification and how quality can determine superiority. Otherwise why not include white people in the ceremony? Is this not an achievement white civil rights advocates can bask in or are they not qualified because they aren't PoC?
@ravedave The SJW argument is the white flag of the modern debate. Accusations of white knight, beta, cuck or SJW are used when there is no other argument left. Still, if it gives you an easy out then I understand you taking it. Probably best all round.
Nah, it can also be used when you realize the opposition is too easily offended and wants to make everything that triggers them some sort of big issue. Like I said, wanting to change the definition of racism to include things not based on racial superiority is absolute nonsense.
Never changed the definition. Simply told you how segregation in this manner creates quality, ergo superiority, ergo racism. Choosing to ignore that is on you. This isn't a demographic. What you're saying is that you want a fruit salad that excludes tomatoes. I'm saying it's not a even a fruit salad and that your telling me that plants can't grow in the same soil as the others despite being ideal soil because of what kind of plant they are.
@ravedave I forgot to include accusations of offence and being triggered, they are also the white flags of debate surrender. You want me to be offended, I can understand that. It's another easy out for you. You clearly get your debating skills from Youtube videos. You are too rigid in your thinking. That's okay though, give it time, you'll learn.
I don't care. If they want to have their little black power rally, then go ahead and have fun.
Absolutely outrageous.
It clearly should be held on the 24th.
So like, that's stupid and embarrassing.
should there be a whites only graduation? answer is NO there you go
It's actually pretty empowering to see this.
@KiaTate How is it empowering?
Yes. You get it.
The same way white people were empowered being around other whites in Nazi Germany?
@MysteriousDarkness it feels good seeing black people graduate from an ivy league school. Especially when you don't see it in the media, all you see is drug dealers and baby mamas. It may encourage younger black people to go to college.
@piscesbluedreams it's not the same, nazi Germany was about a white people wanting to dominate everything and killing minorities, this is about seeing someone graduating. Seeing black people graduate from an ivy league school is inspiring. Maybe they don't want to be overshadowed by everyone else.
Yeah, you are right it's not the same but it's wrong to segregate by race and doesn't actually help improve current social attitudes. After all, isn't the aim to smash glass ceilings?
It's only natural that an elite-ist establishment like Harvard would though..
@piscesbluedreams why can't they have this one thing. They want their accomplishments shown, why do they have to share?
It's a free democracy so it's their choice. I personally don't get it.
It's regressive.
It just looks like African Americans struggled and achieved so much against the odds, to basically act like the privileged white people that oppressed them. Segregate themselves for a special ceremony for the special folk. The whole principle is fucked up.
Am not American by the way, so my opinion is that of an outsider.
@piscesbluedreams they want to celebrate their achievements and not be overshadowed by the majority.
Liberal racist bullshit
it's why I stopped being one once I got exposed to the real world.
S E G R E G A T I O N
its not racist or segregation
Black privilege
No such thing lol.
@LucyS514 whites couldn't hold a white only graduation but blacks can, special treatment and accommodation for them only. I think that qualifies as privilege
Positive discrimination. It separates us all as human beings. It's wrong on so many levels.
@LucyS514 no such thing? When you live in a first world country and do better than the millions of children who starve to death or die from preventable diseases in the world? Or get blown up? Check your goddam priveledge. You live a priveleged life, you're just too ignorant to see it. If you live in a house, are clothed, fed, inoculated, safe from harm you're priveleged. Get over yourself.
@LucyS514 you are a troll
@Blonde401 even in first world countries there is an order, and obviously blacks are getting privilge that whites are not according to this article, sure life in america isb etter than life in nigeria, but inside the country itself there are rules that must be followed you just murder someone and say " oh well life in first world countries are better so one person is killed thats not an issue" your logic makes no sense, but again making sense doesn't seem like your strognest point... you like sex?
@CoolSky01 your entire rant makes zero sense. She said an absolute 'no such thing' as black privilege. Yes there is. That was my point. I didn't bring murder into it. If you're going to argue try and be more cohesive in what you're saying because I have absolutely no clue what your argument is.
@CoolSky01 coming from you? Who also far has done nothing but rant and rave and show no real debate skills? Must have touched a nerve there. 'Your place is not here' π Ok son. If you say so.
@Blonde401 rant? no iam saying you have absolutly nothing to argue with
@CoolSky01 I wasn't even arguing with you in the first place? You're the one who's ranted and raved with no real argument. You've done nothing but insult me and make absolutely no points because you clearly can't debate. So you shouldn't be on a site that is about debate, not me. Stop headbutting the keyboard and type clearly for a change.
@Blonde401 ok
That's great 😊😊😊😊
I don't really care. They can do what they want.
I can care less.
Lol.
I don't really care
racism?
gud dayum homie!