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How do you feel about the verdict for Derek Chauvin? (Page 2)
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Regardless of the facts of the case, I don’t think there’s any way he’d be acquitted - the jurors weren’t going to risk their neck.
I was disappointed with the outcome. I think the mob motivated the verdict and this guy is getting fucked over. It could’ve easily been an accidental death.
Ya ide probably consider man slaughter as real possibility. But even that’s a stretch because it what he was taught to do and the witnesses.
@VanillaSalt how is it manslaughter when he's doing his job trying to stop him getting up. He'd already forced himself out of the cop car against the force of 2 cops.
The issue is holding him down so long ide have handcuffed his ass to a sign post until ems got there if he wasn’t staying in the car. Easier for me anyway.
@VanillaSalt I'm not sure he would have cooperated if told stand up. Weren't they waiting for an ambulance? I do accept he was there way too long but he wasn't complaining about the knee he was constantly complaining he can't breathe right from when he was in the cop car. He had to have taken something.
Yea but a stressful situation wasn’t helping. This cop couldn’t know he’s be a political martyr. Going forward I expect police will just let shit happen and I 100% support this. Oh ya he had a warrant but I was told I can’t chase him because he might crash so I let him go.
@VanillaSalt Letting shit happen isn't helping anyone but I appreciate why you would. Such a shame
Being honest. If I could do it and get away with it ide kill everyone but the people I care about.
But since neither possible I can still sit and watch as great swaths of the American countryside go up in red white and blue flames. Then... perhaps... doubtfully... but perhaps the other idiots will learn from their predecessors. Then again it’s just gonna be “that wasn’t real communism “ all over again.
Truth? This continues until the American dreams dead and societies not conducive to people like me whom believe everyone is free but should act responsibility but instead to sjw types that can’t make it without the government. And if police do pull out they will hold MN with national guard... this is a real takeover and the one thing I’m happy about if both the people causing this and the people allowing it will suffer equally.
It doesn't matter if it was accidental or not. It fit the criteria for second degree murder.
"The third main type of second-degree murder occurs when a victim dies as a result of the perpetrator's extreme indifference to the value of human life. Generally speaking, extreme indifference means an utter disregard of the possibility that an act will kill someone." www.findlaw.com/.../...degree-murder-overview.html
@mistixs I don’t believe the cop intended to kill Floyd at any point in the arrest
@mistixs or thought his action would or could lead to death. That’s what I mean by accident
Intent doesn't matter for second degree murder, & any idiot should know that kneeling on a person's neck when they say they can't breathe could kill them
@mistixs okay then I guess it’s murder anytime someone dies in a car crash or anything else for that matter
Did they crash the car on purpose? Then yes it's murder
If they crashed the car by accident then it's not murder. Chauvin didn't accidentally kneel on Floyd's neck
Murderer who got caught committing murder found guilty of murder.
The only bad thing Floyd did was resist getting in the car. Three cops kept trying to push him in. He kept saying he was claustrophobic. That's the only thing wrong Floyd did. Still he did not deserve being killed.
It’s all just sad. Chauvin should have been dismissed from the force due to previous incidents, or Hoult never have en a badge.
I agree with this only because the fact everyone is saying that a man that died had issues in his past and not one person other then what I see here have said anything about Chauvins past. You are right about him having a past. As did Floyd. Only thing Floyd has no future, no matter how long he stays locked up he gets to BREATHE.
As european I find it very strange how americans victimize criminals. Floyd had long crime history, was using drugs and his own actions led to that incident, but he is portrayed as some hero. And there's so many stories where criminals end up getting injuried by cops because they are resisting arrest and then everyone forgets the crimes they did or their actualvictims, but focuses on the protecting the criminal. Only in America
Lol as a European, I don’t get you. Whether someone is a criminal is not even marginally relevant to whether policy can use excessive violence.
@tartaarsaus First of all don't do crimes then you won't have to deal with cops, if you do and then get caught, don't resist arrest and no one gonna hurt you. All of that violence happens when criminals resist arrests..
Resisting arrest and being on drugs while unarmed isn’t a reason to murder them. The police used excessive force after he was dead too.
Police stop people for no probable cause all the time.
@snowboarder720 where did I say that resisting is a reason to kill?
If that’s not what you meant then why are you using defending arguments for the police on a thread about George Floyd? No, you can’t preach that argument in this thread and not expect everyone to know you’re speaking of a general everyday example.
Got it right for once. Now I want some of those assholes that stood there and watched put on trail. They are just as guilty in my mind, especially with a guilty verdict here. Accessories to the crime.
It’s not a final verdict; even the judge suggested an appeal. He should probably get convicted of manslaughter but he did not commit murder in any definition of the term. There will be no fair trial.
I don't know how much you know about the law but the judge didn't suggest an appeal he didn't even take the steps to do what he needed to do to preserve a defensive right for an appeal because to do that he would have had to poll the jury to see how many of them had heard or been influenced by statements from elected officials he said what he said because he was never going to acquit a murdering cop as he shouldn't have and the defense attorney was just doing his job by asking for an acquittal but for something to be heard on appeal it has to be preserved in a trial and that wasn't done so it won't be able to be used in an appeal situation.
@ashley_85 you clearly know less about the trial than I do. I’d encourage you to sit back and watch what’s coming next; I don’t think you’re going to like it.
@DeltaCharlieEcho that’s what most of the far right say. When are they ever wrong?
I’m an anarchist, kiddo. But nice try. The verdict was delivered under duress and that’s all the reason needed to have a retrial.
I didn’t say you were, chief.
@DeltaCharlieEcho I’m also older than you 😆
The police is just doing his job. I wonder how people would feel if he was a child rapist. HMmm? People die everyday... It's part of life. You roll the dice every day and could be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So is it ok if we come stand on your neck?
Or if we execute cops for killing unarmed people? By your standard, people die everyday, so killing cops that do such things without a trial should be fine, right?
Yup there's still much that needs to be done a young black girl was shot and killed I believe this week by the police.
No justice at all, he is maybe guilty of manslaughter, murder no way in heck. In the mean time the savages who laid waste to America's cities still roam free.
Just here to see who the bigots are... and laugh at their butthurt
I dont think it met the standards for murder. I dont know enough about the details to comment on the rest. Murder charge seems completely political hype.
Very happy about the verdict and the message it sends.
I agree and don't really care. Two scumbags away from streets.
Seeing this is the world you live in, you really should care.
Remember women aren't treated as badly as men which is why she doesn't care.
Fully agreed. The policeman has been an idiot, and the other was a criminal scumbag.
One in jail and the other 6 feet under. Fully satisfied from the final results.
George floyd was a criminal, so were other so called victims, its not blm its bclm black criminal lives matter
So you’re basically saying he deserved to die because he was a criminal? Do you not believe in people changing..
@doopayo makes me sick if donald trump died people would celebrate never went to jail etc, but George floyd was a criminal went to prison but people treat him like a hero
Are you serious? Idc enough about Donald trump to celebrate his death. And I’m pretty lost wouldn’t either especially since he isn’t president anymore. People are bringing up his case because many black people besides George Floyd are being shot and murdered by police.
But ofc you can’t take your head out of your ass and realize that, instead you’re worried about some fat ass white guy with a bad tan that doesn’t give a shit about you (unless you’re rich asf)
@doopayo idc either was making a point that this world is full of one sided two faced cunts, he wasn't racially killed, i think its all bullshit, black criminal lives matter thats all these So called victims are, as for white privilege what a load shit there's black privilege tho
Ma'khia Bryant
Say her name!
@gotc147 clean up that language.
@gotc147 typical temper tantrum from a Trumptard
Get back to me when you want to debate in good faith, I won't be holding my breath.
@enhorabuen
I just watched the body cam video. I don’t know.. the police officer shoot at her obviously she tried to stab another girl. How can this not be justified?
@gotc147 get back to me when you want to debate like an educated respectful adult.
Your a child, so I'm not blaming you. I think you may want to look into the circumstances before posting content like this. This case was EXTREMELY different than the Chauvin case. The girl was literally in the process of stabbing another girl who had her back against a car when she was shot. You can SEE her holding the knife with her arm in a position to stab. Is the life of girl who would have been stabbed life less valuable than Bryant's because Bryant was shot by a cop?
@gotc147 I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings my dude.
In order for you to hurt my feelings, I have to value your opinion, which I don't.
@gotc147 if you didn’t value my opinion you wouldn’t have responded 😊
@gotc147 making you angry is literally the best 🤣
It funny that you think you're making me angry, though at least you're good for one thing.
You read two sentences and can see your bias. Blue lives mean less as much to me as a child rapist, but be just a little impartial.
His girlfriend just said he was a willing sacrifice.
Guess that's the reason why only him was back on that speed ball.
I get why the jury chose it, but even they knew it wasn't the case. Little annoyed feelings got over evidence but i dont actually care about derek or george
True.. sad justice wasn’t carried out. The cop is a sacrifice
@BarryLiverstone gotta keep the mob at bay somehow
Exactly
Sad the mob are also pawns
@BarryLiverstone history has shown us, that is always the case
@pablodesperado Why do you think Derek's not guilty?
@Inbox negligent homicide is what he is guilty of. It wasn't racism, it wasn't first, second, third degree murder, anyone who watched the full hour video knows that.
I agree
So putting your knee to someone's neck for NINE mins after being handcuffed, surrounded by other police officers, etc is negligent homicide - even after Derek kept pleading with the officer to stop because he couldn't breath?
@Inbox yes, that is the procedure until medics arrive, you can't leave a huge guy in a nice position, as thats dangerous to the untrained medics. Bad police training? Sure. Murder? No
According to Lt Johnny Mercil, the knee method is not authorized when they have a suspect in custody.
@Inbox according to the sargent and use of force auditor it was justified use of force.
@pablodesperado considering George wasn’t moving while the cops knee was STILL on the back of his neck shows failure for standard practice. It was a public execution and tried to get away with it.
Oh your one of those people that even still think this has yo do with race are you?
@pablodesperado the chief of police also said that wasn’t in training and was glad to testify against the cop too.
Ya he thinks it’s racism.. might as well not waste any more energy here. Just let him be
Ye but it was? You honestly haven't watched the trial and i do not need to talk to people who didn't even watch the trial.
I honestly posted that in the wrong place, ignore it :/
This was the only outcome possible. Now an innocent cop will die. Just to please the mob
@BarryLiverstone innocent? I know it’s 4/20 and all but you’re REALLY high 😆
He followed procedure, tried to put him in the car but he didn’t let them
@BarryLiverstone So putting your knee to someone's neck for NINE mins after being handcuffed, surrounded by other police officers, etc is following procedure?
Yes, the person who is drugged up and refuses to get into the car when they had a chance.. who keeps talking nonsense. That’s common
According to Lt Johnny Mercil, the knee method is not authorized when they have a suspect in custody.
Your telling me, out of all the possible outcomes in the world... Him suffocating is the top choice?
Well then answer this: what motivates him to murder a suspect? And you can’t say racism because if that’s the motivation he would have killed him another way
They said in the trial overview that it was not procedure. That's not what he'd been trained to do.
What motivated him was pure power of evilness. Nothing more. what sane person could suffocate another person for 9 minutes and 29 seconds? With their hands in their pockets like it’s no big deal!!
@BarryLiverstone yeah, it’s racism.
No, it’s not racism. Smh, so manipulated
I’m done here.. if you think it’s racism nothing I say will educate
@BarryLiverstone Nothing you say is educational for anybody though 😆
The only outcome possible? Chauvin couldn't get off him after he was passed out, on his stomach, and handcuffed? I guess what you are saying is he had no idea how to contain the situation, bad training, poor decision making. Yes I agree with you then.. No other outcome was possible because Chauvin was a piece of shit human being and wasn't capable of behaving with humanity. He liked being screamed at to stop, knowing people couldn't do anything to stop actually stop him. Maybe he didn't WANT to murder Floyd but he loved every minute of it.
Chauvin wanted to make Floyd pay himself, its not his job to do that. It's his job to take him to jail and let the law decide. Chauvin put the law in his own hands, with that kind of abuse of power he was also stupid on top of it, and merciless, and had no empathy or awareness. All of that added up to him murdering him in cold blood, now Chauvin has to pay, he's lucky no one took the law in their own hands like he did, because he'd be tortured for life if they had. Chauvin faced the law, Floyd faced Chauvin's neglect, stupidity, and abuse of power. Simple as that, disagree all you want that is what happened.
PS Notice I didn't mention race at all.
It is a show trial; no different than show trials under Stalin.
If he was found not guilty there would have been rioting, so I think he was always going to be found guilty even if he wasn't
I could argue his death for the lives of everyone is a god choice... that being said this shit needs to end now.
Justice for career criminals. Yes thats what you're asking.
He was a junkie piece of shit that was resisting arrest
So if you resist arrest you deserve to die? Make it make sense please!
@kookie14 if you keep resisting yes
You still have not made that statement make sense. Because it doesn’t 🥱
@Pterodon resisting arrest isn’t a reason for murder. If the cops can’t deal with someone resisting arrest without unnecessary lethal violence then they shouldn’t be a cop.
The jury didn’t think it made sense either! Lol that’s why his life is now useless for killing a restraint citizen sir.
Have fun with that thought
It was trumped up charges to please blacks just like they did to Jesus
Look up the whole KU Klux klan and their supporters
He already plans to appeal.. claiming, mistrial because the "jurors were intimidated"
If the trials moved to a red area he’ll win.
Hopefully it won't be
Hopefully it will... you’re more worried about the outcome then him getting a fair trial.
No
I'm more worried about him not staying in jail, where he belongs. He's a white man, he belongs in jail
I am not happy but I am satisfied that a dangerous felon has been taken off the streets. I wish this had never happened, and I wish that Chauvin had been treated for his mental illness before he murdered Floyd.
Being a cop isn’t for the mentally ill.
No, it is not, and somebody should have recognized this is Chauvin before he became a cop, and stopped him.
tell him not to drop the soap
Justice served finally.☯️
I wonder how much of the conviction was influenced by " if we don't convict him, the city will burn again".
Because floyd apparently had a lethal dose of some drug in his system
Sounds like you didn’t watch the trial. Numerous experts said there wasn’t a lethal amount of drugs in his system after the autopsy and the over exaggeration was made by far right extremists.
Hmm because I remember hearing about them finding pills with floyd's saliva on them.
Far right extremists... is that what you call everyone who has an opinion different to yours?
Just because you ‘remember hearing about it’ doesn’t make it factual. 😆
He should get a nice boyfriend now. 💞
Happy. Disgusting pig. Rot in jail.
glad to see justice after so long.
It’s all Systemic Racism!
It's looking like he might get an appeal.
I was also told it was looking like he’d be innocent 🤣
Where was Floyd's personal responsibility?
Where was Chauvin’s job responsibilities?
He was arresting a criminal.
If you say Black lives Matter, why do they keep killing themselves?
Arresting a criminal doesn’t mean murdering them.
If you’re defending Blue Lives Matter then why are they constantly killing minorities?
You know what they say:REAP WHAT YOU SEW!
America is divided right now
America has always been divided. The Civil war is an example.
I wonder when the next one will happen... and if it will spread to Europe
I don't know.. I think it's not fair.
I was wondering when someone would ask this