Personally I don't agree with most of his views especially about black women , but i don't think people should be making fun of his death. And definitely don't think non black people should expect black women to pay respects or show sympathy for a man that made a career off disrespecting them or contribute to anything helping him out. That's just me , but share your thoughts
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@cth2188 this anonymous coward you conversing with is a dead end cuz it's clear he's racist and has the audacity to say he is pro black women. Lmao like dude stfu
How do you feel about about Kevin Samuel's death? And the way social media is reacting to it?
I'm not saying I agree with everything he says, I don't, nor do I agree with his approach, but he did make some good points and give some women a reality check, on an individual by individual basis, based off of some of the videos I've seen e. g. he was talking to some single mother who said she isn't going to settle and wants one of the top percentage of guys and he basically said, that the guy can do better.
Ultimately, he does make some good points, at least on an individual basis, like when talking to certain people about their personal situations in dating and whether people like him or not, you can't say he doesn't call out BS from some of the women who call him, like if he's bad, you can't say some of the women who call him aren't worse.
His rant on those OnlyFan girls was brilliant, though 'when OnlyFans stops, Subway will be hiring', like I watched the whole conversation he had with those girls and they were just getting offended when they had no answer and decided to walk off because they got offended, especially the blonde one, she was a really idiot and made herself look dumb on the show more than once, even coming back again and doing the same thing.
You don't have to agree with everything he says, I doubt I do, but given how some love to cancel everyone for some dumb, minor shit they did years ago, I'm not jumping on that bandwagon and will act he never made a point or did anything good.
As for celebrating his death: Unless he was a murder or rapist or something, it's not the classiest thing to celebrate his death, but if people strongly disagreed with him, I understand them not being upset, like you can not care without celebrating. Either way, people are allowed to be happy or sad about it if they wish.
I do not care at all how people are responding to it; he was a shit person and people have a right to speak about him how they want. He’s lied to his own fans about his perceived wealth, basically promoted DV and told a woman he wouldn’t want to be with her because she’d believe her child if they came saying he touched or leered at them, etc. He’s getting just as much hate as any other shitty person who died would; this isn’t new or special.
I’m indifferent about his death personally. He didn’t affect me in any alive and definitely won’t affect me now.
I feel indifferent about his death and I don't understand why women are happy about his death because here's the truth:
Kevin Samuel was not the leader - he was a mouthpiece for the men who didn't want or couldn't afford the blowback of saying this themselves. The men he spoke for didn't die with him.
His meteoritic rise was the result of a symptom in the dating world which ultimately, I think is men/women are not trying to understand each other.
Social media are people at the end of the day. We live in sad times.
Just my opinion on it, thanks for the topic. Be safe and good luck.
I think most of what he said didn't apply to most men, but it gave a lot of them hope. Depression and dying young in men has been skyrocketing, guys who find themselves in desperate, or what seems to be hopeless situations might hang out a little longer listening to him, fresh and fit, whoever. While again, their ideal, or high value man isn't obtainable for most men, it does give any of them willing to try a goal to work towards and live for.
I've never been particularly attracted to black women, so I have no opinion there, that's like advice on having sex with mouse traps, it doesn't interest me in the first place, so the practical value, or validity is of no concern to me.
Anyway, summing up, he gave hope to a lot of men who were down, anything else, don't know, don't care. Nobody's perfect, at least he tried to help some people, and was honest about a group he disliked, regardless of the flak he might get for it.
@cth2188 That escalated quickly... I simply said I'm not attracted to black women, so his views there are irrelevant to me. My sexual preferences have nothing to do with being racist or not. Otherwise the next logical step would be that submissive redheads are superior... which by nature of them being subs they aren't and don't want to be.
Social media is well social media. So I would be surprised if people where not trashing him after he died. As for how I feel about him, he did bring up some valid points. The main one being that people growing up without both parents can create a lot of issues This is especially true of boys growing up in a home without their father or a good father figure. Not having one or the other can lead to boys seeking out a father figure else where and that in itself can create some serious issues.
Though I think he shifted the responsibility to preventing a unwanted pregnancy solely to women. The simple truth is that it takes a man and woman to make a child. So preventing one is the responsibility of both. Meaning that unless both parties are willing to settle down and raise a kid both parties need to take steps to ensure a unwanted pregnancy does not happen.
He had a strong approach to both men and women, it wasn't just black women, we gotta stop all that.
I don't agree with some of the things he said, but he spoke a lot of truth. To be honest, anytime someone points out a fact, a lot of women hate to deal with the truth, because there lies the level of accountability and reality.
I'm somewhat moved by his death because he was amongst the number of black men who set an example to address the BS that most modern men and women believe. People who cherish his death are revealing what's wrong with society, especially the black community.
He would parrot a lot of red pill talking points and school women on the facts,
He's called a simp godfather in the community by some so as far as his content I'd say it's decent, he made solid facts.
As a man I never knew him so how could I say? He seemed nice enough
I think he brought a lot or awareness to a lot of common yet unspoken knowledge and made room for some important conversations like female privilege and the hypocrisy of modern women.
I think he made the red pill a lot more main steam so for opening the floor for discussion ov a Lotta respect for his contribution to men's issues.
I am aware of who he is and some of his work. He was very blunt about his views which was both beneficial and detrimental to him as a whole, but he spoke his truth and what he believed.
While I don't agree with everything he said, he has made good points and offered good advice. I was kinda surprised to hear he died the other day. Didn't even know about it until I saw a comment from a woman here on the site say it.
Woaaahhhh, this is a major shocker. Me and @MrOracle were just talking about him. I've never liked Kevin Samuels and always felt like he was too harsh towards women calling in to his show, but this is surprising. There was even speculation for a minute that he was gay, which people noted that he never actually denied when DJ Vlad interviewed him. Wow.
Kevin Samuels spoke ill about black women and all women.. I have no respect for him or his teachings.. teaching modern men about modern women ( submission through control ) his entire passing is strange.. a high value man should assets for proper burial yet is asking for money on YouTube.. will never respect someone who was cruel to women to uplift another race of women
Honestly feel that there are a lot of uncouth classless individuals speaking ill of this man's death. Granted his delivery and how we spoke out and on against relationships or individuals who tend to sabotage relationships or those who feel that they a worthy of certain individuals being in a relationship with and yet I don't know. As a certain level of decency that is Merited to anybody, whether you like them or not. And a lot of people are showing their true colors that are very ugly.
It's a shame that HE had to die, and yet people like AOC, Putin, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, and Kevin Smith are still here wasting oxygen. The universe really is unfair.
@queenofconvo The people who didn't like Samuels, didn't like him because what he said was the honest truth. He, nor anyone else, needs to kiss black women's asses, nor any other group of people. I didn't agree with him on everything and I wasn't subbed to his YouTube or followed him, but I never considered him to be rude or out of line either.
Some women are just mad because they want to be 2s and get treated like 10s and he regularly called out BS like that, hence his popularity in the first place. He did more to help men (and the few women humble enough to listen to him and not just moan and whine) more than any hood rat or chickenhead ever could.
@MCheetah calm down cheetah girl 🤣 don't pull out the claws. Black women aren't asking for their asses to be kissed mf 😒 they just don't give af that he died cuz on a regular basis he disrespected black women and now non black people and his bitch ass black male followers are wanting black women to pay their respects to him which is absolutely audacious. Black women are now being petty to him the way he was to them while he was alive. And people are bitching about it butnobody blinked an eye when the tables were turned and he was alive. All of y'all go to hell
@cth2188 Are you serious, oh hell no. And also they found that Kevin was with a real big girl. He talked so much smack about overweight women and it turns out that his own side peace was one of them. SMH
Kevin Samuels, RIP. I have seen a number of videos, and a lot of women in the videos don't take care of themselves and want these men who do pretty much everything (man things) Some of these women don't exercise, but want a man with a muscular build. Crazy, right? Or they want a man to pay for all their Bill's and expenses just to be with them. Pretty sick for some of you woman out there. No matter the color.
This is all Kevin Samuels did @emmy shame BW , but a 200 pound woman feel on him until his death.. God don’t like ugly the crazy thing in this BM want us to have empathy for a rotten man like Kevin Samuels and I have none. Kevin Samuels worshippers are cultist. The man who evil and k so glad black women have moved on to other races of men..
@Snsl153 @snsl153 @cth2188 Dude, I used to watch all his videos. I even became a fan at one point and he was right about a lot of things. But the way he put it down or presented it was “F—ked up”. Those women need professional help , not some A-hole to put them down.
I understand his points of view and I wish I could have talk to him about some of the things he says. I feel you should respect him regardless of rather you like him or not. People making fun of his death is just plain bitterness and hate. Let the man rest in peace, regardless of your feelings toward him. Pay respects to the family and let by things pass
@RolandCuthbert You may see him as mean while others may see him as a leader. It's about point of view. Still you shouldn't be an ass to someone who can't even defend himself because he's dead
So why are you whining about folks who are critical of him?
You like him. . . for some weird reason. I mean ask your sister or your female cousins that you love so much. Do you think they fit his description of women who are educated and seeking a better life.
And I am pretty certain folks who didn't like him, confronted him while he was alive. They didn't hide out on the internet.
@RolandCuthbert I never said I agreed with all of his opinions. For example the part where he says after 35 you can't get a man. I feel that applies to a very speific type of person and not the vast majority. As for why I am defending him, because if you have Tiktok you will see countless videos of people shaming him because they thought what he was saying was wrong. He's dead, let it go.
It is kind of hard to claim people should not talk about person after they are gone, if during their life they made nothing but enemies.
It is just plain stupid. I mean watch "A Christmas Carol". That's the lesson, if you want people to remember you fondly, then do kind things for folks. It just stupid to claim the same folks who criticized you while you were alive, shouldn't do it when you are gone.
And you defended him. I am not sure why you are pretending you didn't. Again, that doesn't make any sense.
@RolandCuthbert Ok ya know what? You right I am defending him. I may not agree with all of his opinions but I am defending him. Yea I do like him because I feel like he was honest in his point of view. That's my belief, and if what he says offends people, usually the offended people are the ones that are doing it. You don't see women who werent doing those things getting upset over it. 2nd You could have the best intentions of wanting to help someone but due to your perspective, you feel as if he's doing wrong on to you and others. Maybe he wasn't trying to be mean.
You are defending him without agreeing with is opinions. So you are just lying to yourself.
Of course you agree with his opinions. And the thing is, in the past, you have posted the exact opposite views.
Nothing you say here makes any sense. I can offend you right here and right now. Does that mean I am right? I can make my mother cry. Does that make me right?
That is complete and utter nonsense.
When you speak objective fact and actual truth, it becomes compelling. And your detractors want to silence you.
So you made claims about "Black" people being lazy and uneducated. This while posting with the most nonsensical grammar and bad spelling I had ever seen. I guess you learned how to use spell check because you are better than you used to be.
You made this criticism, but Kevin Samuel reached a different conclusion. He basically blamed feminism for "Black" women seeking a career, getting educated and become more qualified than any other group there.
Like many "Black" men, he was butthurt over "Black" women being accomplished. And mad over their claims that they needed men who were up to their level. And it is just the same old strategy of making women feel bad and bringing down their level of self-esteem.
I don't accuse you of doing that. I don't think you are attracted to women. Which is okay. But makes you even less qualified to talk on the subject.
@RolandCuthbert Ok, A lot of the points of where women said they wanted someone on their level or above. A lot of women said that they wanted someone who was rich in their eyes. He than ask whats wrong with a man who is a plumber. He makes a lot of money. She said no, he ask whats wrong with a average man? Most men today in America, don't go to college, instead they do jobs like plumbing and such. 2nd its completely find for anyone who wants to become whatever they want in today's age. IDC what women do with their time, however you can't just sit their and say I won't date you because you feel like he isn't something thats powerful so to speak. He's working a 9 - 5 and he his making a lot of money. He's average, from what it seems a lot of women don't want that. So you stated that he was trying to bring down the black women by saying you can't do this or that. However as far as I know he's not once said that you can't do anything, he just ask why won't you date the average man? 3rd I am attracted to women, I applaud any women who makes it in life and gets what she wants. I won't say oh she's a successful black women, I hate that or whatever your implying. I do however feel like some women because stuck up, rude and feel like their entitled to a certain level of guy because of what she did. Your going after a man that for one is quite uncommon because a lot of men don't like college
Most men either do military, doctor, basic odd jobs or something along the lines of it from what I can see. So here's a lady whose asking for a man that more than likely has options sense he has his money to, if he's attractive he will have way more options. He than asked what makes you think your worthy of a man like that? He never said that you couldn't be with him, he ask why you think he would want you?
Again, your argument makes nonsense. Why shouldn't a woman want to date someone who is of her educational level? I am not saying a plumber cannot be smart. He could be well-read. He could have interests in music, philosophy, literature, etc. He could dabble in physics or biology. But if the guy is dumber than a bag of rocks, why should a woman who is more intelligent date him? There is no reason she should. In fact, they won't have anything in common to keep that relationship intact. It just nonsensical to make that argument.
And no, Kevin Samuels has insulted "Black" women, he has claimed that something is wrong with a woman who is past the age of 35 and unmarried. As though, it should a woman's life goal to marry a man at any cost. That argument is garbage.
As for men, and I am one by the way. I definitely am not going to date a woman who is just dumb. So why would I ask for women to do something I am not prepared to do?
If you are attracted to women, I am sorry. I thought you weren't. I looked at your facebook and I just figured it wasn't your thing. As for men who don't go to college again, you don't have to go to college, but if you are willfully ignorant or just plain dumb, you have to blame yourself. Because getting educated is a choice. You made it. You cannot blame women. And you may not like college, I have no idea where you get that nonsense most men don't. Do you. Stop pretending your ideals are shared by other people. Knowledge and education are too important and pretending they are not, is just silly.
I get everything from The internet so if it’s not true that thank you for proving me wrong. My opinion isn’t nonsense because it’s a opinion. It can change just like my other opinions on what I think is right or wrong. As for my Facebook is 3 to 4 years outdated. I don’t use at all other than to login in to other stuff. 2nd i can easily understand if that person is a an idiot, what I think he meant was a person who may be working a job that is look down on and seems simple minded. Yea no one wants to date a idiot, but not even giving a chance to someone just because they work a certain job is kinda dumb to me, but its a opinion of mine. So by saying that maybe the reason why someone over 35 keeps picking bad apples isn’t because of the men but more of what she chooses isn’t the reason why someone may be look down on? I mean if someone keeps picking guys/girls who abuse them than maybe it has something to do with her/him
You don't seem to know what you are saying again. So now men want to be doctors, in the military,. .. or odd jobs?
Dude, being a doctor requires the most education for almost any position you can apply for. Being in the military? Well, if you want to go far you need to get an education. Period.
Then you throw those two positions in with "odd jobs".
Those two careers have nothing in common with odd jobs.
That's why your assertion that men don't like education makes complete nonsense.
You don't like education. Own that.
And no, women don't necessarily like guys who are attractive. I ain't attractive. I have no issues getting a woman. I have dated very beautiful women before in the past. Women like men who are confident. If you ain't confident, you will have a hard time convincing women to like you. I talked about this already.
As for what Samuels said, again, he claimed that the women he was talking to thought they were too good. Which again, I say is nonsense. And you aren't even looking at what you type.
Why do you believe men can think they are too good for women, but not vice versa?
Yeah, I don't get everything from the Internet. I read. A lot.
I have read;
The King Years Yurugu Dreams from my father Picket Fences Always Outnumbered, Always Outgunned The Lord of Rings The Silmarillion The Deathgate Cycle The Prism Pentad The Prelandrian Trilogy
Please read some books. Because most of youtube is propaganda. It isn't an education. I mean read anything. A freaking comic book is better than your youtube crap.
But yes, your opinion is nonsense. I don't care if it changes. Just make it based on facts. Which is why I encourage you to read. If you are going to state an opinion about women and relationships get some facts about women and relationships. Don't go to youtube to find folks to tell you what to think. Too many males at GaG do that. Find some facts, then form an opinion.
We are not talking about looking down on people. We are talking about dating or marrying someone. And a woman who won't date guy because he is dumb isn't looking down on him. She is acknowledging they would have nothing in common. A person who can't point out Russia on a globe is not my type of person to date. Because they have no intellectual curiosity. I can't be with someone like that. Why would I ask a woman to do something that I won't?
You are being disingenuous, Kevin Samuel said a woman over 35. But you lying about what he said.
Then you pretend that it has something to do with their choice in men. When it may not. They just may be very picky. Which is their right. Here you are drowing in hypocrisy. You can judge a woman over 35. But she can't judge a guy who mows lawns for a living.
What do you mean I am lying about the 35 part? Yes they can be picky never said they couldn’t, everyone should be picky about who they choose but if they continue to choose the wrong type of person who is clearly not a good match for them than maybe it’s not the men that’s she’s going after that’s what’s causing this but maybe it’s her choices and what she believes is to be a good match for her. Again I understand that everyone wants a partner whose smart but you don’t know if someone’s smart just by the job they have. In one Of Kevin’s samuels videos a girl literally says she’s settling down if she were to go for a man like that. ( note this isn’t for everyone but for the ones who think like her ). Never said you can’t judge a guy who mows lawns for a living, what I said was that you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover because you never know what that person has to Offer.
Obviously if a man is working for Astronomy or something that requires a high level of education that is different but not for someone who may have a degree in mechanics or a degree in engineering
Are you saying that if a woman continues to choose men who aren't dating worthy that she isn’t to blame as well? Yes I am aware that men can be shady as hell, but that’s what the talking Stage is for. That’s why you take time to get into a relationship, get to know the person first
What did Kevin Samuels say about a 35 year old woman? It is like you cannot think clearly from one sentence to the next. Tell me why a man can judge a 35 year old woman, but she cannot judge a guy who mows lawns?
@RolandCuthbert I also said that my opinion changes, i will own that. I never once said a woman can't judge a man for mowing lawns, I said that she shouldn't immediately think he's a moron just because he mow's lawns. I know what he said, but I am asking what parts did he say that offended black women because to me from the parts that I saw it seems some of the women were in fact what he describe.
I think you are wrapping yourself in knots because you know what you said was wrong.
I have not changed anything about what I have said. I said prejudging is something either everyone should be allowed to do or everyone should be discouraged from doing. But to pick a gender and claim they should have lower standards is just silly and stupid.
@RolandCuthbert man stop trying to use things from my facebook because first off everyone on their isn't related to me at all. No one I know in real life is on their so in short your not going to get anything about it. I don't know who that lady is, all I know she has the same name as me. That's it. Would I trust someone who constantly keeps getting guys that are hurting her left and right to know what she wants? No but I wouldn't intervene either, i just offer her my opinion just like now. What part of my argument says you can't be picky? Like for real, i never once said she can't be picky, I am just saying don't assume someone is stupid by their job profession. Something is wrong with you. why do you keep saying that I don't want women to be picky. I never once stated she couldn't
I don't believe that I am going in knots, I do believe that everything that I have stated here is a opinion, theirfore it can change just like everything else. I also said that theirs no point trying to be against someone who is dead. Why spread so much hate when he is dead? I understand you don't like him, I understand that you feel hurt and you have every right to feel that kinda way. However you do not have the right to disrespect the dead and his family because you don't like him or what he has to say
Look I understand your opinion. About the if you spread hate, someone is going to give it back. I will admit that your right on that. 100% but my problem is he his dead, he can't do anything anymore. Yea his legacy will live on and their will be others who may try to be like him or may even surpass him, but he's dead. He is dead, go after the living for they are the ones who shape the future, not the dead.
Right you can have an opinion about people who have passed on. But he spread some vicious nonsense about "Black" women while he was alive. And you want folks to forget about that.
Nah, they don't have to. And just like you, they have their opinions. That's what makes this America.
But you need to consider this;
Stop watching youtube videos to figure out what you believe. Study objective fact then decide what you believe.
I posted you a fact about "Black" women and education. They are getting advanced degrees at insane rates.
That does not leave them much time to do what you claimed. . . which is get screwed over by a lot of men.
My niece is almost 40 years old. She is just getting her doctorate in psychology this year. She only been serious with 4 guys. And she has no kids. She isn't a throw away or the nonsense that Kevin Samuels dreamt up. She is brilliant, cute, loving, and gorgeous. She is engaged to be married and her fiancee has his M. S. And if you wasn't such a coward, you could meet them.
@RolandCuthbert I see, but um fuck you for calling me a coward because I am not one. 2nd congrats to your niece. I hope that she keep moving forward. 3rd I don't know if I said it here or not but when it comes to Kevin Samuels I feel like his opinion goes to certain people, not everyone.
Also yea your right they can have their own opinions, this was my opinion. I am glad that we debated on this and I am thankful for your time. You and your family have a wonderful day/night and stay safe.
Surprised that he was a junkie, because you don't die that way without a murder investigation if you normally don't take drugs. And I haven't heard anything about any claim that someone putting the drugs in him.
I had never heard of him until a guy showed me the video before his death. He’s the best thing that happened to single women. 80% of what he was saying was right on. I wish I knew he existed before… -My first view of him was around 10 days ago
He was particularly harsh towards women who called in. I actually listened to one of his videos once and it made me cringe the way he was just unnecessarily tearing into the woman. I get it that he felt like they need a good talking to and needed real advice, but it felt more like he was really just beating these women down instead of having a constructive debate or giving tough love advice.
He was harsh on PEOPLE (men and women alike) who were delusional and living in a fantasy world. If you judged him from a single video, then you almost certainly didn't understand what he was doing.
Kevin coached men for years, and there are plenty of videos where he tears into guys who are lying or lazy or whatever. He was doing a call-in show and had 10 or 15 minutes with each person - he didn't have time to coax the truth out of people over weeks.
When he switched to primarily women, he still did a call-in show and he had no shortage of women calling in. If those women thought he was just a mean misogynist, why would they keep calling in?
The obvious answer is that he had valuable insight, and could quickly get to the root of people's problems and help them understand what they needed to work on. That's what real coaches do.
Plenty of people make YouTube a career. Hundreds of people make multiple millions a year from YouTube.
But KS wasn't on YouTube for the money - though he was making $6-8000 a month from it - he considered it his calling, but you can call it a hobby if that makes you feel better.
@MrOracle it's not that makes me feel better, it's just that I can't wrap my mind about something like that being a "calling", especially on frivolous topics such as dating.
His goal was to get people into healthy marriages and raise healthy and moral children - especially in the black community, which lags far behind others (though all racial groups have declined). That's hardly a trivial pursuit.
Kevin Samuels was taken out of here their saying speculation he was murdered. The likelihood ofBM and BW reuniting will never happen.. collection of BW don’t want anything to do with BM I don’t and I don’t date men
Yes he was extremely cruel and hated black women.. I don’t know why they called in or supported his channel.. he was definitely a colorist and many things he literally died with a 200 pound non BW on top of him
Dennis Spurling exposed Kevin Samuels working for the manosphere alleged Kevin’s lawyer whose representatibg him manosphere is a group that hates black women
Why would KS have a call-in show for 2 years that dealt primarily with black women if he hated them, and why would there be black women calling in and waiting hours for a chance to talk to him?
Why did he create invite-only dating events, and been responsible for introducing more than 2 dozen women to the men they married (in less than a year)?
That's awfully strange behavior for a guy who you think hated black women.
I remember dating being a meat grinder a decade ago, and seemed like it was getting worse every year. Men or women, both will be bitter when you tell them that playing around in clubs will not be conducive towards LTR or marriage rather than ONS and NSA.
He was a famous fashion consultant who got really big for dropping red pill advice on YouTube and calling out women on their ego and BS, especially black women. As such, the left and feminists REALLY didn't like him.
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