14 students dead and 1 teacher. At what point do we finally outlaw the possession of firearms? How many more of these mass shootings need to happen? (Page 2)
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Settle down Beavis.
Do you really think that mass killings are going to go away if you waved your magic fairy wand and took away all the firearms? They wouldn’t.
You’d still have people going on stabbing sprees. You’d still have terrorists setting off bombs and blowing people up like the Boston Marathon Bombers. You’d still have people using their trucks and vehicles to run over crowds of people like in the parade earlier this year or elsewhere. These mass killings WILL continue. They will not magically stop with zero firearms.
Neither would rape. But you would be keeping a woman from shooting her attacker and defending herself. That’s who firearms are for, the most vulnerable people. People have them for protection.
*shooting happens*
*shooting happens in a gun free zone*
*shooting happens in a gun free zone with a gun the killer was not permitted to have*
> let's just make it illegal, it'll work, this time, we promise
I wonder why you didn't ask where the good guy with a gun was here?
That, on top of the constitution, on top of making shit illegal ain't gonna fix jack, on top of my god given rights.
> And if you are idiotic enough that you believe the second Amendment guarantees gun ownership, you better go back to school. It guarantees no such thing!!!
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
... I knew you were an idiot, but, fuck, legit, you must have an IQ of below 30.
Nah stupid. You outlaw guns then only outlaws will have the guns and this will still keep up. But the amount of these shootings is still appalling how they keep happening, it's because we keep letting it happen, we need more security, more security measures, like metal detectors or for specifically detecting a gun, something instead of just letting it keep happen and doing NOTHING different. It is NOT the guns, it is the evil within these crazed unstable individuals, thinking about all the bombings, oh no we should outlaw bombs, or think about 911, people will find ways to be evil no matter what you do. If anything more people need to carry guns to protect themselves and those around them, maybe once a carrier saves your ungrateful gun hating asses in a situation like this then you'll finally appreciate them, maybe.
I dont live in america (thank god) but from what i see it the right to carry guns is so embedded in the culture there that taking that right away would actually cause a civil war for sure, school shootings happen without guns aswell too so there's no simple way to stop these from happening.
A civil war would totally happen and the pro gun faction would win
Because it's kinda hard to fight a war when you're afraid of your own weapon
actually per capita Europe has more shootings than america
As i said there is no simple way to prevent this, people will get their guns regardles of if they are illegal or not, which is why it would be better to invest time and effort for mental healthcare instead but yeah... No ones gonna do that, it takes too much effort for people in charge of that to do it.
actually there is a simple way to prevent it. stop showing the face and name of the shooter to lower the copycat rate. these shooters seek fame The Media Contagion Effect: how the media causes mass shootings ↗
wouldn't that just increase the rate of copycats? If we give them attention by plastering their faces everywhere, there's people out there who actually worship these crazies afterall
i said STOP showing their faces
Sorry i somehow managed to read that wrong XD
The problem is, the mental health clinics and psychologists are overwhelmed and it is hard to even get an appointment when you feel you need to talk to someone. Even professionals like psychologists can get burned out. If you want a job that you won't get laid off of and will have job security, being a psychologist is that job.
It's part of our constitution... so banning guns is out of the question. I'm just wondering why and how a mentally deranged (on meds) trans dude with money problems was able to afford expensive ass guns. I'm thinking security for schools... like it was when I went to school... we as students walked through metal detectors and bag checks. So did anybody else. That stops the child abductions as well. Am I right or am I right?
No need to get rid of guns, they just need more strict gun laws. I don't see any reason for a person thats not in the military or police to carry a gun. If guns were only sold to people that actually need them in their career such as armed forces and police, a lot of deaths past and present would have been prevented. It takes a few seconds to kill someone with a single bullet. Giving a gun to someone mentally ill is like giving candy to a kid, they'll enjoy every bit of it.
Really? If someone was armed in that school the shooter would be shot dead before he killed anyone else. Lets take away a ability to have self defense. Gang members have guns and drugs all the time. Do you think they care? No they will have a easier target
Are you a retard? You people use dead kids to push your political agenda. When a officer who had a gun in Kansas stopped a shooting after he and a administrator was shot and that officer saved MANY lives that day
We have dangerous animals here and we have to protect people. people like u are killing more people then we the people who want/need guns in our lives, yk people actually need guns they aren't a toy maybe you should get a new hobby like finding something that no one needs and say get rid of it or make a law to prevent guns from happening.
ik people are dying take guns away from them don't take guns away from people who need them
the media is the cause of mass shootings. they glorify the shooter by showing their face and name and so other people do copycat crimes to get the same fame.
i wrote a mytake on it a while ago The Media Contagion Effect: how the media causes mass shootings ↗
I agree I know a lot of people here are from the city so you don't know how much we the people living in the country actually need guns
When Australia outlawed guns people bought "razors" and cut people to death. If you outlaw guns they will just find other ways to rob and kill you.
Exactly.
Right. Because doing a mass cutting is exactly same as a mass shooting. Oh wait, it isn't. I forgot that people have legs and can easily scamper the necessary couple feet away from a lunatic with a razor blade.
Post your evidence of the weekly "mass cuttings" in Australian schools please. :)
If we outlaw guns we become like North Korea because the rulers would have no reason to fear the people.
correct
@KelleyNice correct
It's not possible to remove every firearm in the US... there are too many of them. Plus, the Constitution would have to be changed, and that requires a 2/3 vote of the states, which is never going to happen. Rather than eliminate guns, let's make some of them harder to obtain, and increase security at schools, so that our children can be safe.
May the peace be upon them. Guns has to be strictly forbidden. Since , the human specy are really likely to do sth bad it is unfortunately really wrong decision to allow buying gun legaly. I hope the responsibles are punished by the wrath of God and by his justice here on the world.
When you raise generations of self absorbed and undisciplined fools this is what results.
Unfortunately for you the 2nd Amendment is a right and not something that can simply be canceled. Like it or not.
In response to your update. Hate guns all you like, the Supreme Court did rule private gun ownership is a right.
exactly. if they dont like it they are free to leave.
As a practical matter, it simply won’t happen in the US. There are more firearms than people, it is a low-trust society in steep decline, and the laws we have on the books already are unevenly and poorly enforced. Gun control has proved in reality to be a loser in elections, regardless of what various polls say.
Yes, I agree with you 100%. It's beyond ridiculous how the Rambo-wannabes like to pontificate about how, "Ma Second Amendment rahts preevent teeranny!" Remove the guns and you eliminate the problem. It worked in countries like Australia, so at the very least it could be attempted, even if the results don't turn out to be as spectacularly successful.
Wann run Prohibition and the War on Drugs with me again? If guns were the problem then why did homicides drop by 48% in DC after the bans got lifted and in 1996 Australia had it's worst year of homicides after the guns were banned? Australia was already on a steady decline and your not facing the same SOCIAL issues we are. There's a lot of income inequality in this country AND we have way WAY more gangs and drugs than you do. You dont have nearly the amount of immigration we do. Our border gets people coming over unvetted all the time. many belong to MS13 and 18th Street. You dont have that. Bad example.
@t-8900 There is income inequality across the entire globe, in virtually every country now. You can't use that excuse. Due to almost unrestricted migration from Africa and the Middle East, nations like Sweden have a gang problem as well, but they don't experience massacres on a weekly-basis caused by some nut with a gun.
As for the alleged homicide increase in Australia, so what? Most of those homicides were not caused by guns, and the fact remains that since 1996 there hasn't been a mass shooting in the country.
"As for the alleged homicide increase in Australia, so what? Most of those homicides were not caused by guns" Boi if you can't see how absolutely stupid that statement was I can't help you. Think about what you just said and see where the problem is. You know what... I'm just gonna help you out cuz you seem really lost here. What was used to kill is IRRELEVANT. Its the WHY and the total numbers that matter, especially per capita. Who gives a shit about banning guns if the knifings are going to go through the roof after. I swear it's like you people have a hard on for stabbing and beating people to death. At least the gun is a hell of a lot cleaner and quicker as opposed to knives, axes, hammers, bats, etc. This is a SOCIETAL problem. Don't try to compare. Compare USA's mental illness and depression to other nations. That tells the tale. What's more you must not know squat about the Mexican Drug Cartels, MS13, and 18th Street who get a good chunk of their guns from the black market which spans the globe by the way. Do you know how the IRA got most of it's guns despite British Occupation? believe it or not they snuck them in from ships coming into Ireland from Libya. They made some arrangements with Gadhafi. And again explain how Prohibition turned out as well as the war on drugs. I'll wait. Don't be so dense.
@t-8900 There hasn't been a mass shooting in Australia since 1996. Why? Because they got rid of the guns. That was the objective of the legislation their government introduced, and it works. Murder rates go up and down, and the reasons for this are many, but there is no denying that a man with a gun has a much better chance of killing someone than a man with a knife or some other weapon. If you can't see how stupid YOUR statements here were, then I can't help you.
I mean not all guns but yeah it should be harder than a pornstars dick to get gun. In Japan it's a bad year if 10 people die of guns now I doubt we can ever get low without overstepping but it shows we can make ourselves safer without everyone and their bipolar neighbor being armed
2nd amendment isn’t going anywhere buddy. If you have a problem with guns, move somewhere they aren’t allowed. Doesn’t stop people from going on murder sprees as we’ve seen plenty before. People can easily use a car or knife or even a bow/arrows to do a killing spree. What criminals fear are other armed people who can protect themselves. That’s why they only target the vulnerable who can’t protect themselves. The media throwing all this stuff online so people like you can go crazy doesn’t help.
When will you stupid liberals understand the constitution? It says Gun ownership ok. We have prisons , when will you liberals keep felons in prison and quit putting them back on street in 24 hours?
You liberals want more laws and don't even understand the Constitution.
How many more thousands of people have to die before you outlaw alcohol possession? Far more drunks kill people each year than shooters.
According to SCOTUS the constitution guarantees gun ownership.
Second, let's compromise to save lives. Let's agree to ban guns AND cars. If you're actually for saving lives, banning cars will save way more lives per year than banning guns will.
Otherwise, you're just a blowhard who doesn't want to sacrifice to save innocent lives.
Guns are not the issue here, mentally ill people are...
neither, the real issue here is the media keeps causing mass shootings by glorifying the shooter. they cause copycat crimes as mentally ill seek fame after seeing other shooters do it The Media Contagion Effect: how the media causes mass shootings ↗
i wrote this mytake on it a while ago but yet again here we are after the grocery store shooting the media caused another
Im going to be blunt. You sound paranoid.
@007kingifrit That could be true. Because everyone now knows that if they want to be "glorified" - at least in their eyes, go shoot up a school or a church.
And your an Idiot you walk around everyday Preaching how Human life matters. It doesn’t Human life means nothing. Everything humans touch They destroy.
Who hurt you? Damn...
I’m not going go into specifics on who Hurt me. But what I will say is
Someone I Cared deeply about not loved But cared about. Was brutally Tortured and Killed for 30 minutes.
And I wasn’t With the one I cared about To stop the Killing from happening. And those in Power even my own Family Defended The Killer. He’s a free man still gets to walk around with no consequence.
I Would love to Burn 🔥 his home 🏠 to the ground and The home of his friend That was with him. As I know the location of Both homes. But I just don’t do it because I care about myself and Wouldn’t put myself at risk of suffering Consequences.
None of that gives you the right to be rude to people you've never met...
I can say whatever the hell I want.
And I don’t give a damn about what any of you People think of me.
If you don’t Know how to control your own damn feelings and emotions that’s your own damn problem. That’s something you Fuckeries should of figured out a long time ago. Would of Saved a lot of people from pain and misery if you Fuckeries Learned how your emotions cause pain death and misery.
You Fuckeries Can’t even Control your own mind so quit with the moral High horse 🐎 and learn how to control your own mind. You’ve only been using it your whole damn life.
The only person with out of control emotions is you! You clearly need help. I hope you get it. This my final response to you
@saintsRow3 If your own family defended him why are you getting on us? Get on the people who fucked you over.
@LeeannaDD my incredibly well researched and scientific accurate point cannot sound "paranoid" you dullard
There was a news article about this. People owned guns for years and even had more guns. The NRA is going bankrupt. So why is this happening. It was not guns who let this person back on the street after being clearly diagnosed with a dangerous violent mental condition. Michal More did a documentary on this as well called "Bowling for Columbine" where in he searches for why the US gun deaths are double that of all the countries combined (outside of war). He finds another reason. Might surprise you.
The situation you are in is that your political system is non functional, you are slaves in a police state run by psychopathic criminals, they control the vote, the media, the courts, police, military and you want to give up literally the only thing you have going for you?
You are a fucking idiot.
People also tend to forget the kid some how got 5000$ worth of rifles.
If you understood the 2nd amendment at all you would be calling for the dismantlement of your standing armies.
Oh fuck off you stupid whining bitch, you dont have the first fucking clue what you are talking about.