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The tanks will make no difference. Russia is right on Ukraine's border. Logistics are on Russia's side. And it has very sophisticated weaponry.
Those who are using Ukraine to push Russia into a war are completely insane. We're talking Dr. Strangelove.11
No, tanks are easy targets and will be taken out pretty quickly. But it does send a message to Putin the west is prepared to escalate.2
It's hard to say. It seems like as soon as one starts getting the upper hand the other eventually throws a curveball.10
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I equate the Russian oligarchs to a bunch of henchmen/mobsters and would prefer to see them fall on their face.
Even though Russia has serious weaponry and power, the Ukranian people keep hitting back. I hope it ends soon in a draw/peace.
However, if Russia does take over the Ukraine, a good majority of countries throughout the world will likely boycott Russia for many years to come, so I think they will suffer most "business-wise" over time.0
Not enough tanks, no air cover, not enough supporting artillery. Tanks are only useful in an offensive when supported by combined arms. Tanks are vulnerable to artillery, of which Russia has a huge number. Ukraine had thousands of tanks when this war began. 200-300 more, if they receive them (various countries including the US are slow pedaling or reneging) will not change the outcome of the war.8
It's hard to say because Russia has so many weapons but it remains to see just what Russia can do.23
Unfortunately I don't these tanks will make a difference. I would like to see this war ending but it seems that it's not going to be over anytime soon.0
Unfortunately not. Someone ought to broker peace talks and end this mess.12
If NATO involvement in the war keeps escalating, ALL our days are numbered.0
I sure hope so. No need for Russia to completely crumble, their citizens don't deserve that. But the war being over, would be a good thing.10
You're making the assumption of no further escalation. Russia's days were ALWAYS numbered in Ukraine. The only thing that was ever up debate was the occupation, how long, and the death toll.0
Russia will always be in the Ukraine.14
Russia > NATO10
I’m pretty sure.10
The tanks aren't going to make much of an impact on their own, especially without any kind of recovery vehicles sent with them - as soon as Ukraine so much as breaks something on those tanks, they're going to be abandoned or dragged into position as a roadblock. o
This is not an accident either - the entire NATO strategy of "supporting" Ukraine really appears to be about dragging it out as long as possible to drain Russia over time.
Also for what it's worth regarding what's going on in that war:
"Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass"
"Ukraine desperately needs more tanks"
and "The tanks won't be delivered until near the end of the year" (all of these are said regularly by the warhawks) are basically three contradictory statements that can't coexist, and betray the fact you're being lied to about how the war is going.
We don't know what recovery vechiles are going.
Exactly zero unless the Germans plan on sending some. Allegedly they are supposed to receive 8 M88s, but nobody credible is saying from where. If it's not Germany, then it's going to take even longer to get everything over there since they're even harder to transport than the Abrams.
Better than nothing. I'm sure they are getting some Leopard tanks recovery vechiles too.
The Germans also use the M88 for recovering Leopards. To elaborate though, the Ukrainians will almost certainly be receiving the German and Polish Leopards well before the Abrams tanks get there, so if they aren't getting those M88s with the Leopards... They will probably lose all of them one way or another beforehand. NATO tanks are not novice-friendly, and when I was at Bliss, it was pretty normal for multiple tanks and IFVs to be effectively out of action for several hours or days at best (in some cases weeks or months) just doing basic training exercises. We had one gunnery in particular in which 11 out of 14 company tracks went down in three days. That was just a gunnery range. Ukraine will have to rely on other tanks of the same type (A T72 can't recover an Abrams or Leopard) dragging broken tanks back to maintenance areas, effectively taking two tanks out of action in the process without having M88s and maintenance crews that are basically trained from the ground up, and that's not an overnight process either.
I'm not sure but the Abrahams are probably already in Europe. It's like when the British gave those 14 challengers, they aren't coming from the UK there was already 14 deployed to Poland
Not quite - whenever the US sells Abrams tanks to anyone, even our actual allies, we retrofit them by stripping down and swapping out the entire armor package, and probably some other systems. These get drawn from the ~4000 we have in storage, and in this case, they have to find 31 of them that are fully mission capable (FMC) before even starting the process. The Abrams is a maintenance whore, so realistically they're realling having to find the ones that need the least work done to get moving. Our own government is saying 5 months is the most optimistic timeline, which means it'll probably be longer, and the tanks they're drawing from probably aren't in Europe.