At least 22 people dead in Maine mass shooting. 50-60 injured. Shooter is still at large.
This will be the 565th mass shooting in the USA this year. That's 2 a day.
The toll so far makes this in the top ten most deadly shooting in US history.
So many people died in a shooting spree from gun violence from someone that doesn't follow the law that managed to get their hands on a firearm, shoot up a place, kill many and injure a lot more and your mind is on the perfectly sane armed civilians? I'm sorry but isn't this what y'all anti gun people want? I am quite certain a sane armed civilian couldve changed the results but I never thought I'd see a anti gun laws civilian beg for armed civilians, clearly there weren't any but I'm glad to see your mind changing.
You've misinterpreted my question.
My point is he wasn't stopped by an armed civilian. The argument people make when this happens in states that don't allow people to carry is that a person with a gun could have stopped them if anyone was allowed to carry.
Well yes, there wasn't any, but that doesn't change the fact that you aren't thinking of the situation clearly because this is a small glimpse of how it would be if they got rid of guns in the US, the US is already full of guns, taking them away from armed civilians will just have more situations like this and worse because then people can for terrorist groups because they know how vulnerable the civilians are, you see in dangerous situations there's only two choices to make. fight or flight, you either fight or run away, it's possible that place could've been full of anti gun people for all you know, all I'm saying is that there was clearly no one willing to step up and shoot back, which is why we need our gun laws so the chances of civilians stepping up are higher, take people's guns and you'll have this same situation all over again, people dying and scattering for their lives.
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There is no evidence that the answer to gun violence is more guns. It's quite the contrary actually.
@Smashingdoozy while there’s “No evidence” now image if one of those victims was carrying a gun, they could’ve saved their own life
@kylee2437 they could have but how can you be sure? Is it a for sure thing a ‘good guy with a gun’ will act?
@Still-alive I said they could’ve saved themselves, not saved everyone
Well doozy go tell the armed criminals to give up their guns and tell me how it goes, record it please, I have a suspicions on what they will do to you but if you send me the video I'll know you are alive
Unless you have a working solution, I don't need evidence to know guns is the only solution to guns, it's only logical
You are speaking out of a privileged mindset, a mindset that doesn't know the true feeling of danger, you've only seen it on social media I imagine, but I can assure you these criminals don't care about you or your laws, and if they have a gun I can assure you they would rather pull the trigger on the person trying to take them than peacefully giving them up, I can assure you your confidence won't save you in a dangerous situation but if you are willing to try your luck by all means, don't do it without a prayer first.
I've met murderers, rapists, drug dealers, robbers, kidnappers, and other possibly insane individuals and have been in life threatening situations and around crime most of my life and I can assure you these people do not give a fuck about you, your loved ones, the law or anyone else, they care about money, respect and power, if these people have guns, there's only one solution and that's hitting fire power with fire power, it is what it is.
The people committing mass shootings are typically legal gun owners.
That's how you know it's a problem. I'm also not telling anyone to give up their guns.
@Smashingdoozy they are targeting places that typically wouldn’t have gun carriers
I hope you know it's easier to het it illegally then legally, I had one since the age 14, it was a dirty one and I got it for 250 from some dude and the transaction was easier than your everyday store transaction, give money, grab gun, simple, these people simply just lost their minds, that's a mental health issue, let's say someone used tattoo ink to make bombs and starting bombing people, you agree that because they used tattoo ink incorrectly that they should ban tattoo ink and you are forced to not be able to buy another tattoo? Just cause someone is out of their damn mind? 😂
You are clearly against guns, I picked up that assumption from how your first instinct was to attack sane civilized gun owners, completely ignoring the insane individual that made the decision to shoot up a place. I gotta admit, i took offense to that cause I would've easily pulled the trigger back, nor am I insane and I like being a gun owner
@kylee2437 They could have.. but also not a guarentee. you know the thing about the guns these mass shooters tend to use is that they can fire off rounds in literal seconds mass killing a ton of people before any one of those people-had they been armed-can find the courage to shoot him back. Not to mention they also have the element of surprise because... well how can you blame anyone for thinking a mass shooting is about to take place? there's no way to know that ahead of time.
So look the 'good people with guns' is a dumb argument full of holes and very illogical. You pro gun people lost all credibility at Uvalde quite frankly.
And no @ChicoFromThe305 no one is arguing to confiscate your precious guns away from you. that is a straw man.
I personally want more regulations in place and heavily enforced.
I didn't completely ignore the insane individual. Just in the title of the question. Calm TF down.
You were able to easily get a gun illegally because the person who sold it to you probably got it easily legally. Where do you think illegal guns come from in the first place?
I'm just tired of people living in a bubble trying to ruin my rights to bare arms, your argument is invalid, I hope you know ghost guns have the exact same rate of fire, legal or illegal guns it's all semi automatic which means making our guns bolt action would only give a disadvantage to law abiding citizens, because I know neither of you know this cause y'all live in a bubble but if you've never heard of 3D printer glock switches or receivers, those exist too, which means someone can 3D print the part that makes a gun automatic, so I'm going to say this again for the ones having difficulty understanding here, laws only effect law abiding citizens, which means criminals could have automatic and your dumb decisions would leave me with a bolt action 1 round per 2 seconds, y'all don't have the information to be speaking about firearms and even less to be participating in making decisions for the people that stay and keep clean to be able to own a gun to defend themselves and their loved ones, everything anti gun laws debaters say only seems to give the good people disadvantages and giving the criminals all the leverage, if you don't understand guns, keep your opinions out of the voting, people can 3D print the main component to build a gun, meanwhile you are stuck trying to change the rate of fire from the good people smh.
It was a dirty gun which means it was most likely stolen from a actual owner, or taken during a robbery, it doesn't make a difference because the black market exists also
The harder you make a gun to obtain the less likely someone is to use one for a crime.
If y'all don't know what the black market is, it's criminal paradise, any sick shit you can think of, they have it, drugs, guns, blueprints for bombs, explosives, you can hire a hit man, you can participate in snuff videos (you pay, they kill someone the way you want) rape, child pornography, whatever sick shit your mind can come up with, they have it, this is the real side of the internet and it's all hidden from the law and runs secretly, but the laws for the good people is what y'all wanna change right?
Y'all innocent minds got no idea how dark the world is, it's beyond just mass shootings, meanwhile people are more involved on changing laws 😂
There were plenty of people that were interviewed and from what I heard there was nobody present that was armed. It may have made a difference. Here we have the ban all guns argument and nobody wants to talk about the real issue. This guy and most of the other shooters are batshit crazy. This guy's sister in law said that he got high powered hearing aids and he thought they were speaking to him. This guy spent two weeks last summer in a nuthouse. Nobody wants to say why they let him out.
Whenever something like this happens it is usually the family that says that the shooter was really disturbed but nobody wanted to do anything about it or else they ask people that the shooter worked with or maybe the local cops and they say that they were not surprised.
Without knowing about the places this guy chose to shoot up, there's no way to say. Where I live, we can concealed carry without a permit, but there are many places that have signs prohibiting the carrying of firearms on the property, therefore law abiding citizens aren't carrying in those places. Is that the case here? I don't know. Just a possibility.
I love it when folks from other countries diss on the US and all our dumb freedoms etc, but sure don't complain when the US military shows up to help them out of a problem.
And by the way there have not been 565 mass shootings since the beginning of the US back in 1775!
"... don't complain when the US military shows up to help them out of a problem."
The last person to die in the great war was an American. Why? Because he was so upset that he was demoted for war crimes he took it upon him self to try to kill two germans 10 minutes before the war was over. They pleaded with him to stop but he would not.
America did not "join" ww2. You were attacked by Japan, you hit back and Hitler decleared war on you. Americans were protesting in streets in 39, 40 and 41 saying they did not want to help Europe. You sold car parts and oils to the Luftwaffe, before and after you were in ww2.
Lets not even get started on how you "helped" Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan. Of the 5 major wars you have been apart of in the past 60 years you have won one.
Firstly i lived in the USA for most of my life.
"And by the way there have not been 565 mass shootings since the beginning of the US back in 1775!"
Good thing I didn't say that. It's 565 this year alone.
Name 10 this year?
I'll do you one better. www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting here's the entire list so far.
That is just a list of multiple shootings by gangs and in homes for all kinds of different reasons. Mass shooting are the ones that make National headlines and News shows. One's like just took place in Maine is an example, or in LV several years ago, or the school shootings are what we see as mass shootings of innocent people
@NeverGiveUp69 You sound butthurt. Patton and Churchill got along pretty well. So what is your problem? Unless you're not a true patriot of the UK.
@love_conquers_lust I was so kind to share the definition of mass shooting, as it seems like there was some prior confusion about what counts and what not.
@katiesmuff it's literally in the url and as@nirmroth said a mass shooting is defined as a violent crime where multiple (usually 4 or more) people are injured or killed with a firearm.
@Nirmroth No, I meant your first comment. The analogy was strange.
The US manufactures a lot. Guns are one of those commodities. During the world wars, the military industrial complex made the US a lot of money. It also killed business. Can’t sell shit to dead bodies and the US was actually starting to lose money. Meanwhile, Democrat war dogs keep pushing war and drafts while crying about gun ownership at home. It’s not as unrelated as you might think.
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This is yet another tragedy but ever since Uvalde Texas where you had several law enforcement officers (your supposed ‘good guys with guns) just standing in a hallway armed to the teeth while the gunman is in the classroom nearby still murdering preschoolers… yeah the ‘good guy with a gun’ is a huge myth. and frankly anyone who says this is a real thing are idiots or just regurgitating the same bogus talking points by the gun lobbyists. No real thinking that bears fruit in reality whatsoever.
so yeah be prepared to see and hear more bullshit about how this could have been avoided regardless of the loose gun laws there in Maine….
This is an equally silly discussion every time it comes up.
We all know that not having guns solves gun violence. We have empirical date that it works because it works for every country except two of the three that have made it a constitutional right - USA and Mexico.
It can not be a discussion of whether or not removing guns fixes it. It does. We KNOW it does. It doesn't mean everyone who has one is bad. But access enables people.
It really is not a debate of whether or not gun laws enable this. Its just a discussion of whether or not they are worth it. If they are not, ban them. Seize them and see the problem gone instantly. If they are, figure out ways around it.
Arguing if the sun shines or doesn't shine is however a waste of breath.
Yeah it’s crazy how literally every other country can see what our problem in the US is except people in the US.
People in the US would prefer to keep their guns and the right to carry them and live with the fact that there are many mass shootings in the US as a result. However, they are very reluctant to admit that this is their position. So instead of doing that they maintain that open. Carry in a lack of gun laws. Nothing to do with mass shootings. This is kind of a situation of attempting to have your cake and eating it too.
Only one thing in my opinion will stop mass shootings in the U. S. A. legalizing prostitution. Yes I know I researched and it did say that trafficking goes up when it is legal but all other crimes go up when it is not. It does seem strange to me because I have known quite a few very pretty girls who have enjoyed periods in their life prostituting themselves. I don't think gun control will help primarily because it's a fact that 70,000 cartel members are winning against the entire U. S. DEA and police force.
u I saw the headline on Instagram “22 dead in mass shooting”. I didn’t have to read any information on it to know that it was in the USA. I feel so sorry for the victims families.
https://www.tiktok.com/@humorouspete/video/7288835569776381230
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Gun control is like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
The guns exist. Criminals exist. Criminals don't follow laws, hence, gun control only hurts good people. It's a strong, logical argument.
Ideally, people who want to destroy human life would get the mental healthcare they need, but they don't. That's the real crisis here.
The United States of America is the only nation on Earth that has regular mass shootings and claims there's nothing that can be done about it.
There are 331.9 people in America.
There are 433.9 million guns.
Yeah, that is real normal.
The guy turned himself into a mental illness institution during the summer, telling them he felt like he was going to commit a mass shooting. They released him after just two weeks of observation instead of committing him, and his legally obtained firearms were never removed from him. Two weeks. Our mental health system is broken.
the number of people killed and injured was lowered to different #'s then you posted , these events have happened in states with tougher gun laws too , i don't think that the fact Maine has less gun laws really has much to do with what happened. it seems the person who did the shooting was really troubled and should of been locked away in a mental institution and was already in one but got let go.
Good guy with a gun is bs.
When bullets are flying the natural instincts is to run and if the shooter is shooting at you then you use your gun to defend yourself not others.
It's shocking to know that the suspect in the case was identified as a firearms instructor in the US Army Reserve.
Good guys don't go out and start killing innocent people. Good guys don't buy guns. My deepest condolences to the families of the victims.
Few people actually carry. I can open or conceal carry but never do.
Be interesting to see what cocktail of antidepressants he was on like most mass shooters
Imagine how much worse it would have been without the second amendment. Guns deter criminals. This has already been proven. Distance from criminals is even better. If they don’t like people owning guns, stay away from them.
Where has it been proven?
Every home defense shooting you see. Every assault committed. Every domesticate abuse story you hear. Every news article run about it. Every crime NOT committed that we’ll never know about because just like law and punishment, the THREAT of it is the actual deterrent.
I’d argue women should be armed to the teeth because of shit like this:
https://vimeo.com/62347041
You saying it isn't proof.
Proof for me. I’m open to evidence to the contrary if you have any. That women in that video handled herself masterfully, by the way.
@Smashingdoozy Okay, so how I can interpret that is that they are an effective deterrent. I have a shotgun and my relatives have a whole safe full of weapons. For the most part, they sit around 99.9% of the time collecting dust. That’s how we’d prefer it. They’re also used to defend against wildlife and hunt.
The reality is, cops have a response time. They can’t intervene instantaneously before fatal damage can occur. I worked in a plant where when we did confined space entries, we were required to call the fire dept. for availability of emergency responders. Their response time was 7 minutes. Someone can suffocate to death in under 3. The point of that permit was to get people to think. The best defense anyone has is their own mind. It’s the same thing with guns.
Gun advocates aren’t all the mindless tyrants they’re made out to be. That’s an unfair characterization by the media.
I don’t agree with point 11 in that article. Some of those scenarios describe abusive, irresponsible owners who shouldn’t have weapons to begin with. That’s the point of gun control. It’s lesser evil kind of thing
I'm aware. I know there are good gun owners. But I also know that good gun owners aren't the ones crying "they want to take our guns away".
@Smashingdoozy I’d call those people the gun toters. People who flash their weapons are idiots. That’s not “concealing” anything
@Smashingdoozy. What I want to know is demographic breakdown of their data. Who did they survey and where? What are their backgrounds? Are we talking about cities, the sticks, both? So I use anecdotal evidence to fill in gaps, as opposed to surveys of anecdotal evidence
The study I published is a combination of a bunch of different studies done over decades from different demographics and states. As one said even from prisoners.
@Smashingdoozy. That’s too vague to sway me any which way if that’s your intent.
I do know that violent crime has been dropping hard since the 60s. Boomers are more violent than our generation because they tended to come from larger families. So, regardless of gun laws, we’re living in the safest society the world has seen in its history. These last few years have seen some upticks bucking that trend, but it’s still remarkably low. Family size and well being I think are two driving factors.
Do you live in the states or are you UK?
Uk currently but lived in the Usa for most of my life.
@Smashingdoozy. Where at? I been in Midwest most of my life. You coming back? Would make sense. I wouldn’t want to come back to a dumpster fire, not necessarily that there is one.
I was in California mostly, spent some small amount of time living in New York and Georgia
Haven’t been to California. New York is…interesting. Georgia was a drive through on the way to Florida.
So I’m guessing you lived in cities and not suburbs or the countryside.
Nope I grew up on a farm and then lived in suburban areas or as suburban as SoCal gets...
@Smashingdoozy Interesting. I was inverted. Suburb in a major city then more towards suburbia. Do you know how to shoot? Did you learn? Do you own a weapon? I assume you have no need for it where you are at currently
I learnt as a kid yes. I'm not against people or civilians rather having guns. I'm against the lackluster regulations in place. I do not and have never owned my own gun.
@Smashingdoozy Yeah, it’s odd with two laws conflicting with one another. Have you considered that some of the people who want stricter gun control also want to defund and disarm the police? Imagine a female police officer trying to arrest or pursue a man twice her size with a taser. It’s law of the jungle. I’m not saying it’s what you implied, it’s just that extreme I don’t want to end up in.
Have you noticed the fundamental philosophical differences between ruralites and urbanites? Have you noticed ruralites are to the Right, and urbanites to the Left? Have you noticed how cities tend to value quantity of life over quality of life? Have you noticed how that’s inverted in rural areas? Have you noticed how cities tend to have more women and rural areas tend to have more men -averaged out across a lifetime (they all have more men early in life and women late in life)? Have you also noticed kind of how welcoming people are in rural areas, how chatty they are? Have youbseen how urbanites tend to be more jaded, less hospitable, and generally more closed off?
I’m also not saying either is perfect. The old school conservatism in rural areas I don’t necessarily agree with.
I think you'll find these things are entirely American. Everyone is the same here in the UK rural and suburban and city everyone is very friendly and hospitable. It's just some weird American thing
The UK is also a cosmopolitan cutout in size compared to the US. It makes sense for them to be more politically harmonized when their population density is so high, landlocked, rich culture, established, and far older than ours. One of our progenitors.
America itself is vast. Great wide open spaces that is more representative of the EU as a whole than just the UK. One of the major differences being our states truly do have open borders unlike European countries, something I delight in bringing up to certain Europeans that criticize our border policies. I also find the rural/urban dynamic comparable to the US/UK dynamic during the Revolution, something my ancestors fought in.
So wouldn’t be so quick to call it just Americans just some weird. We have more in common with the EU than people give due credit. Especially here in the heartland where a large portion of our German populace lies, something you probably may not have known or experienced.
@Smashingdoozy I stumbled on this:
everytownresearch.org/.../?states=ME,CA
Ook?
wisevoter.com/.../
Maine has the lowest crime rate in the nation with less gun control than California while California has the most gun control in the nation with a higher crime rate
I’m saying there are other factors at work besides gun control laws.
I don’t mind the gun control. I don’t like people who want to take away guns altogether. That leaves citizens vulnerable to other citizens.
@Smashingdoozy I also find it interesting gun sales in Sweden spiked during the migrant crisis from the Syrian civil war.
take-profit.org/.../
I don't think there's a correlation with crime rates and gun control. Louisiana has rather lax gun control and has the highest gun deaths and one of the highest crime rates.
@Smashingdoozy “People kill people”, right? Generally speaking, climate temperature is the predominant driving factor. There’s generally more life and more competition towards the equator, sparser at the poles. And there is more violence. It seemed counterintuitive to me when I considered resources are more abundant in warmer climates, yet less accessible. Life is funny like that. As I mentioned before, that resource availability results in larger families and higher mortality rates until there is a cultural shift. Again, that is counterintuitive still given how resource “rich” warm latitude countries are and resource “scarce” cold latitude countries are. South America has the worst crime rates in the world. Money, wealth distribution, culture, and societal/government structure plays into it as well.
https://www.indexmundi.com/map/?t=0&v=25&r=xx&l=en
Reports are coming in that this Maine shooter went through a break up with a woman that contributed to sending him over the edge. He was already mentally unstable as documented by the army. He had a son and an ex-wife. He was a marksman. A loner who lacked basic coping skills and a social support system. He’d been descending into paranoia leading up to the incident. I believe the army banned him from using weaponry and advised he seek psychiatric help.
www.usatoday.com/.../
So, it supports your point.
Now the real question is, is the shooter actually licensed to carry because of not , that exes out your argument as well
@Smashingdoozy you also didn’t mention that he opened fire near an area that doesn’t allow open carry
@Smashingdoozy if you are open carrying in a area that doesn’t allow guns, you aren’t a law abiding citizen
@Smashingdoozy but the point is still proven. You can’t say it’s a state problem when there’s a factor of difference of what you stated which is he targeted a vulnerable area. Now think about if those 22 people each had a gun in possession. You think he would’ve been alive?
Firearms aren't allowed on premise in establishments that serve alcohol in Maine. So that means citizens that exercise their 2A rights were following the law by not carrying at the restaurant or bowling alley.
I’m betting the vast majority of the mass shootings are related to the drug trade. Nobody will take their guns away. In fact, sometimes the USG even gives guns to the cartels.
We are so grateful to live in England aren't we lol.
If you're going to be murdered, it'll likely be either a knife or a tyrannical government. =)
You see, that guy thinks he just burned you but he doesn't realize that you're unlikely to mass murder with a knife than an assault rifle like you said.
They're all hiding in their bedrooms ranting online about how guns save lives.
You're just pushing people further into nonsensical arguments, people don't like to be wrong, so they will make up some new bullshit.
I'm pretty sure that they gave up on the good guy with the gun argument prior to this. If they didn't they should have.
The shooter is identified as a certified firearms instructor and a member of the US army reserves.
Shocker.
So what your point? What your end game here? What do you think the solution to this problem is
GUN CONTROL
I don't think you get it, that's not the problem. In New York City, we have the strictest gun control laws in the country. We still have a lot of shootings. It's not the people that obtained their gun license legally that's doing this craziness. It's the people who are getting the guns illegally. That's the problem. I personally think it's time to address the elephant in the room. And that's mental illness in America. Cause let's face it. A person has to be pretty fucked in the head to go kill a bunch of innocent people.
Factually incorrect. 77% of mass shooters obtained their guns legally. It's not strict enough.
This is why if you don't live here in America you shouldn't take a stance in it because what you see in the media isn't always true. But still goes back to my point it time to address mental health here in America cause whether you obtain a gun permit legally or illegally you have to be fucked in the head to go shoot a bunch of people who have done absolutely nothing to you
I lived in America most of my life. Absolutely there is a mental health crisis and we can work on that while simultaneously working on gun control.
You'll never control guns to many illegal guns on the street
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