Could slavery have been "negotiated" like Trump said?

[Anonymous]

[JacobJordan]

Might be a strange pov. If we look at what slavery was (ignoring for the purposes of this) minus the obscene levels of abuse and torture. Slaves were tasked with some form of labor in exchange for what?

Food (not good food but food)

Clothes (again not good clothes)

Shelter (of course not good shelter)

Alright so we have established the 3 things they received in exchange for labor. Now if you or I or anyone else gets a job we are given what?

Money. Okay what does that money do for us?

We can buy food, clothes and shelter.

Sooo we abolished slavery meaning people can't be owned. Check. We made it illegal to abuse people. Check. We now provide compensation for work done rather than providing a place to stay, clothing and food. Check.

So simply put we removed the negative aspects of slavery and implemented a middle man (money) to separate the work from the food, clothes, shelter.

Again if we ignore the negatives has slavery really ever ended or did we just dress it up in fancy clothes and call it "a job"

[NamerOfStars]

Well, I don't know exactly what he said, but there was plenty of use of eminent domain at the time; all you'd need to do is pass a law banning the importing of new slaves, then use ED to buy up all the currently held ones and manumit them.

It's important to note, however, that this wouldn't've prevented the Civil War. The Corwin Amendment was looking like it might very well pass (Ohio, Maryland, Kentucky, Rhode Island and Illinois- the last by special convention rather than going through the legislature- all passed it, and those are NORTHERN states), but the South seceded anyway. That one fact alone should convince people that it wasn't just about slavery, but people like their simplistic narratives and black-and-white moralities.

[milyjohn]

Trump offered to fly to Ukraine on his own dime and attempt a peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine.

Guess what president refused this idea? Why would Joey not want peace between the two countries? Could it be because he has no say in the matter? Could it be that he's just a spineless puppet? Is this the military industrial complex at work?

Joey the clown voted for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Trump was against them.

So could slavery have been negotiated? Why not? It's gone, right?

[milyjohn]

@Pohjolan

How did you catch the syndrome, way over in Finland? I think the syndrome folks are pathetic in America, but when you get it from that far away... wow.

How's Finland doing in mediating? Good? How much money have you sent to Ukraine?
You don't just have to send money, you can put on a meaningless Ukraine flag on your social media. That seems to be helping a lot! Virtue signaling will help the starving Ukrainians.

[Anonymous]

Don't listen to racists.

[Phoenix98]

Ultimately slavery was always a business first and foremost people didn't do it because they hated a persons skin colour they did it because they were strong, the soon to be slaves were weak, vulnerable and there was money to be made, didn't matter your skin colour all people of races have been taken and sold as slaves in every part of the world. As it was always a business where the strong preyed on the weak and was for a long time profitable.

It was always a business first and foremost thus was about money anything regarding money can be negotiated

But even if you bought up all the slaves and freed them and passed laws to ban slavery it wouldn't have prevented the civil war. The civil war itself was about a lot of different issues not just slavery, slavery is just the only one you hear about but it wasn't the sole reason for the war and tensions between the south and north had been brewing for a long time.

[HighSky]

No, it was only about slavery
When they decided to secede for "states rights" that was just code word for we want to keep slavery so we no recognize this union.
Going to war over that issue to force them to stop slavery was absolutely justified, they needed to have a gun aimed at their heads to stop otherwise they were not going to.
You do not negotiate with the states that wanted slavery to be a thing in their states, you draw arms and you threaten to kill them nothing short of that works.

[Phoenix98]

@HighSky No it wasn't but if you'd like to believe that then continue basking in your ignorance.

[HighSky]

Oh then what was the war about then?
It was only about slavery, 'states rights' was a complete bullshit excuse those states had, they wanted to keep slavery around.

[ZackBan]

That was the original plan if my understanding of history is correct. The founding fathers who fought for liberty wanted liberty for all but could not just deliver it all at once without crippling the infant country they where building. Slave trade was a big economic motor and the idea would've been go replace that model over time and end slavery.

But I guess it took too long and eventually some folks saw an opportunity to use such a controversial topic to start a war for their own personal gain.

[Anpu23]

Don't think for a moment that negotiations weren't tried in the 1800s. It really came down to a morality issue. There was no reconciliation at the time. Further Trump is an ass and would probably have been shot in a duel trying to stong arm the issue.

[AngryCarl]

I think Trump's bone spurs would have prevented any duelling.

[Anpu23]

@AngryCarl Lol in his eyes...

[Anonymous]

And how much of Trump’s or anyone else’s words can we put together that will turn back time and fix the issues in the past? If you have an answer let me know, (I’ll wait.) Till then I think we need to keep focusing on fixing what we can now and not repeat past mistakes. You don’t erase history, you learn from it.

[Lliam]

David Parkman is a shilling to morons. In this case, he is making assumptions about what Trump meant because he is all about degrading Trump. He also has a shallow understanding of history and the causes for the Civil War.

[AngryCarl]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Of course the differences between North and South could have been negotiated, and it wasn't all about slavery anyway. So yes Trump is right, the Civil War was a pointless waste of humanity and a lot of people did die of gangrene.

If I have a problem with David Pakman it's that he can only see one side of the issue and anything that doesn't fit his agenda has to be ridiculed. But he's talking to his own echo chamber so whatever.

[exitseven]

I think definitely slavery could have been negotiated. Maybe give plantation owners tax breaks or other incentives to give up slaves. It might have taken longer to do it but the country could have avoided the Civil War.

[HighSky]

No they should not be rewarded for owning human beings, the best solution was to threaten to kill them if they did not immediately stop

[exitseven]

@HighSky It was legal to do so they were not breaking any laws. Yes, it was immoral to us today but it was something that was widespread throughout the world. It still is common in some places. Pitting Americans against each other was an incredible tragedy. It took the country many years to get over it. I knew guys when I was in the Air Force that still hated Yankees.
If there was some kind of peaceful resolution the country would have been better off.

[sawno]

Don't use David Pakman as your source, he's incredibly dishonest.

[Asker]

I didn't mention anything he said. I am only asking about what Donald Trump said.

[sawno]

I'm just warning you against him as a source, he is intentionally dishonest towards his audience. For example there was an issue with mailboxes being removed prior to the election. David and some other outlet claimed it was Trump's effort to tamper with the election process. People researched that and found that in fact those mailboxes were not used frequently and thus already on a list to be removed by the mail company. This was widely reported in the right wing commentary circles, days later David still claimed trump did this to make mail in voting harder. There were more examples like this at the time in the span of a few weeks that I followed him, I forgot which the other ones were but it was so obvious that he was a dishonest source I unsubscribed.

[AngryCarl]

@sawno So pure coincidence then that the Trump-appointed Postmaster General decided to remove those mailboxes just prior to the election while Trump was publicly railing against mail-in ballots? I see.

[sawno]

@AngryCarl Yeah it was genuinely over served area's based on mailbox activity, if pakman was honest he could have at least mentioned that. Its fine having a bias and inform your viewers that that is the reason given but you don't believe it yourself or disagree or provide further information that can disproof the claim. But he did none of that, he stated it as if it was pure factual.

[KrakenAttackin]

Slavery was already on its way out when the civil war erupted. Technology was advancing to the point where slavery would have soon been uneconomical.

[Jersey2]

Pay very large amounts to slave owners and yes, most would sell. The few that don’t the law would handle. This could have avoided an even more costly war.

[Dargil]

Aren't all the proles in a totalitarian state slaves? Including the pre CW South?

[loveslongnails]

About as much chance of that having happened as Israel going and rebuilding Gaza and inviting back the 1.2 million people they kicked out. LOL

[OddBeMe]

No. That’s fucking ridiculous, embarrassing for his supporters and a slap in the face to ancestors of slaves.

[Avicenna]

What you do every day is a slap in the face to the DESCENDANTS of slaves, dumbass Scion of Segregation and Slavery.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna yeah…calling for reparations is such a slap in the face…

[milyjohn]

@Avicenna
He doesn't give a crap about anything he says. This is how he gets attention

[Avicenna]

@milyjohn: True- his wife ignores him at home, so he comes to GAG for attention.

Odd, you have been incredibly disrespectful and condescending to blacks, as is calling for reparations that no one can anyhow afford. White leftists like you have done far more damage to blacks, especially black families, than even Jim Crow or the KKK ever did.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna My god you guys are right…. i should really rethink- oh wait you guys are fucking idiots! Silly me.

[Avicenna]

You ARE silly, anti-Semitic and a lot of other toxic stuff.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I’m rubber and you’re glue!

[Avicenna]

Odd, what did you do to feel so guilty? I mean, I know you're descended from slaveowners and segregationists, but why do you personally feel so guilty? Did you violate someone's civil rights, steal their property, defraud them?

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna it’s not about feeling guilty shitheel. It’s about the logic of justice. Several hundred years of free labor should recognized and oh btw…. strangely their community could use an infusion of infrastructure.

[Avicenna]

"Logic of justice" is no logic at all. You've confirmed it's guilt you feel.

The people you want to give reparations to have, thankfully. never labored for free. And some of them have benefited from government programs on the basis of their race.

I also don't know how you could provide infrastructure solely to the descendants of slaves (it's not as if our entire economy wouldn't benefit from better infrastructure). Maybe your general incoherence when it comes to expressing yourself means you actually had some other unrealistic notion in mind.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna you’ve proven to be a dishonest debater numerous times already. But just to close this off, civil liability and beneficiary does travel down the family tree.

[Avicenna]

Your definition of a "dishonest debater" is someone who actually questions your propaganda.

So, please cite the relevant legal code or case law (which hopefully would cite some code) from either the state or federal level which allows civil liability for slavery on the part of slaveowners and their descendants to still exist almost 160 years after slavery ended? There is a reason why any reparations would have to come from legislative action, meaning there is no entitlement.

by the way, one of my grandfathers was enslaved a lot more recently than 1865 (1941-1945).

[Anonymous]

anything can be negotiated.

[Roudyrebel8]

No! Absolutely not

[riverrat3]

Very doubtful