Listen,
If it really bothers you that much, file to make a Sec. 501(c)(3) non-for-profit tax-exempt organization with the IRS. Have it distribute a social-male-strike manual to all men, and host a website year-round.
Have the rules be:
- No sex.
- You are only allowed to watch porn.
This will have the effect of guys having no reason to approach a girl. The trickle-down effect of this will be that all men will be walking around and going about their life, but not having any reason to initiate contact or conversation with a girl.
On the other hand, girls will be emotionally and sexually starved. After all, it's not like they can put their hand down there and feel the closeness and warmth of a guy next to them. It's not like they can play with themselves and feel safe, cared for or loved. This strike can only result in one outcome; single lonely relationship/marriage hungry-but-starved-and-deprived women.
On a side note, the minor bi-product of this will be bars and nightclubs all going out of business; restaurants taking a serious hit on their profit margins, and the annual savings of the male population doubling.
Then girls would be forced to adapt a different frame of mind:
From: I'm not going to approach a guy. He's going to have to approach me! I want to know that he's interested in be first! First, as in, before he knows that I'm interested in him; but him magically feeling totally comfortable, at ease and safe to come over and talk to me first. After all, what would I say? I would look so awkward just standing there. And if I talk to him first, I show him I'm interested in him, and can't go on to play hard-to-get and have him try to win me over so I can comfort those pesky insecurities about myself. No way. I'm not doing sh*t. Wait. That sounds wrong. I'm gonna smile and look at him. There. Now, technically, I can't feel guilty about doing nothing. So what if there's no emotional risk involved? I can always tell myself that I at least made some effort. If he wants me (from just looking at me, and not even talking to me yet) for more than just sex, then he's going to have to walk over and talk to me first. Or else he's just going to have to spend yet an other Valentine's day all by himself, while I'm out with my girlfriends having so much fun, or at home with my cats and ice cream, watching tv. His loss, not mine.
To: Fcuk. Unless I go over and talk to him, he's never going to come over here and talk to me. Ugh, I'm gonna have to try and convince him to prefer sex with me over porn; which probably involves me paying for dates, or else he'll just go back to porn and I'll still be alone. How the hell am I gonna make him want to be in a relationship with me? Ugh. Stuff was so much easier before some stupid guy came up with the idea to pass out that stupid guy manual. This fcukin' sucks ass. Oh who gives a flying sh*t? If he doesn't like me now, he never will, so I haven't really lost anything by trying. "Hey"
If guys have no reason to talk to a girl, why would they care if she approached them?
If no sex mans the don't care enough to approach because they do not care, why would they care if woman approached them.. & what happens of you do approach a guy. Does that mean you guys just watch porn together?
Um, & as fo convincing a guy , nope not gonna happen.
-I 'm not going to be with anyone, for whom PORN is the standard.... Seriously not cool.
They wouldn't care, hence why women would have a lot of convincing to do.
guys would be thinking: "eww, she just wants a relationship, marriage, sex, etc.. too much effort and money.. no thanks.. I'm perfectly content and happy w/o those things.. her problem.. not mine"
which would leave girls thinking how to make the case to have guys actually want to give them those things.. and try getting a guy to understand, before he runs away in an attempt to escape her creepy-ness..
You know what....i don't think so you directly answered my question. but still I think you have made so many points which really represent the psychy of girls if we really don't approach them. so I think you can have a BEST answer.thanx for sharing ur thoughts.i don't know if I am right but I feel still that men can manage if they don't have SEX in their life.
i never approached a girl LOL... I wouldn't tho... if you want girls approaching you, then go to countries like brazil, mexico, peru, colombia, china, etc...
im half brazilian, but I live in portugal... always when I go to brazil... there's always girls approaching me (ugly and cute).
No guts, no glory. It's a very old saying everyone should live by. It means if you're not willing to take the risk, you don't deserve the reward. It can apply to every area of life, and women are not an exception.
I cannot respect someone who isn't willing to go after what they want, to work for it, and to put something on the line for it. Therefore, I cannot respect a woman who will not approach a man she wants.
I saw what you did there lol
If a woman was to approach you and ask you out on a date, well I tell you a little secret, it's not because she thinks you would be fun in bed. It's because she's already imagining how you might be as her boyfriend. Next thing you know, she'll be asking you to move in with her and set the date for your wedding, lol.
Hey, women for the most part are highly programmed for relationships. A lot of girls cannot understand why guys are not ready to rush head first into them. If you left it all up to us, you wouldn't even know what hit you. We'd be springing "I love you" and relationship talks on you so fast your head would spin. I think a lot of guys know that instinctively and they are a bit suspect of a woman who asks them out. The stakes are just a lot higher in accepting her invite for the date.
I do think it is fine and shows confidence to go up to a guy and talk to him, so if that is all you are talking about, yes, I agree girls should do more of that. But as far as having us ask you out on a date and initiate some of the other things that happen after that, like asking you to marry us, there really is a pretty good benefit to having you take the initiative on that.
This is exactly the kind pof presumptuous bevaior, that almost totally destroyed a friendship with someone who was CVERY important to me... It is really depresing to ghear yo speak about a whole portion of the population like the're relationship probes... It's not YOU, I know lots of people thin this way, it's just I have never heard or seen it so blase' & blatent.
I asked a friend of mine to a show & he would not talk to me for two months then it turned out he had feelings for me, but is
- his friend convince him I wantd a relationshiop.. It turnd out { as he tolde me right before left} he had feelings for all along, but he was worried, because he knew he would be leaving ...He told me this the night before I LEFT. {The reason I wanted to hang out with him, is because I knew that I WAS leaving&i wanted to hang out before I left....I was asking him to hang BECAUSE I LEAVING- NOT BECAUSE I WANTED TO MARRY HIM.
Further more,every single guy that as EVER liked me, I APPROACHED!
- &It was NOT to have a relationship, I just wanted to get to KNOW thm, & I did, & the are great reids.. If yo wnat to sa you are programmed for a whatever - that's fine.. But maybe, it is not that every guy, or every girl on this site speaks for their gender kind... Why don't people learn how to say I not WE. when they are speaking subjectively.. Peopel can relate much better when you speak as aperson, not as the 'truth'.. Anyways the picture you painted of woman, offensive. YOU make it -
Like we have no logocal control ove ourselves.... I do not mean anything against you.. You seem very nice & all.. I just think it gets to such a pitch where every person becomes a predetermination there is no room to breath culturally..The way woman & men are compared, if I did not know anything about humans & just based my assesment from what I hear, I would seriously think that men were closer to DOGS then woman...This site is suposed to help narrow, the gap in understanding, not exploit it.
I stand by my statement. You act like wanting a relationship is bad. It isn't. And women do think in those terms so much more so than guys do. As you can see I did put "women for the most part", so of course there are exceptions, but what you are not getting is that guys can and do ask girls out without wanting to get to "know" them. They are physically attracted though over time it can go farther. When you ask a guy out you want to get to know him, not just get him into bed.
Tamikaze - I have been hearing your point of view from a number of women --- and never understood the "spedy progression" that occurs simply because the female has asked a male out on a date. The differences in the attitudes really astounds me, as men are expected to be these "hunters" in this very, very difficult game.The differences in the attitudes is astounding and I find that very unsettling.
DIFFICULT AND TROUBLING.
Reavis-I don't find dating and love a very, very difficult game. It only becomes so when you are so uncomfortable and self-conscious about meeting someone. I get it, it isn't fun having someone you are interested in possibly say no, but if you don't get invested in the person saying "yes" and you don't build up that person as being perfect for you, then hearing no is not a big thing. Anyways, I am not a fan of asking guys out. That is my personal belief and it has served me well.
Tamikaze - Your personal belief ( which has served you well) that you do not like asking guys out may be limiting your pool. The numbers ( and the complaints of women) do show that men are approaching less, possibly for men to increase their value in this. All the "benefits" go to women and men can never be the prize.
man! (or woman. haha.) I generally make the first move. maybe cause I have no patience and I figured if he says no, I can just move on. this whole chivalry thing is cultural really.
speaking from experience though, guys may say they'd like a girl approaching them, but sometimes they're put off by it. I guess they're just not used to it. it's not like I'm aggressive but I am as friendly as I would be with a girlfriend. whatever. others are receptive, but like someone said below, they get used to me initiating everything, and sometimes I would like to be surprise. o well.
good question. I like it when people question norms we often take for granted.
haha sorry guys, these girls ont know what theyre missing!
ive been known to usually tell the guys that I have an interest in that I like them, and would love to get to know them better. I really don't see what the big deal is for women, I have a lot of guy friends and they all agree that they would love it if a girl came up to them for a change, and from then on something clicked with me.
now if I hadnt told my current boyfriend that I liked him he probably never wouldve asked me on a date and because we had such a good time, I ended up kissing him first(:
Thank you haha, you know what you're talking about!
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I think that the men who want women to approach are lazy idiots who are used to having everything brought to them. They think being a man means women do whatever they want for them when really its about treating the girl right being the man and making the first move. Its hard and I struggle mightily, but I'd rather struggle and know I've tried then just sitting on the sidlines. Most of these guys probably also never had great social skills, they don't realize hints or facial expressions. For I all I know they might all be aspies (aspergers syndrome), which is definitely astruggle,but man up please. God gave you a brain and a mouth, use it to talk to some girls. Really they are just like us
I ask approach girls all the time but it has nothing to do with thinking it's my responsibility to do it. I also don't mind women approaching me.
being a man means no more than having male anatomy. Being male does not make you special or give you some direly important job to do.
Also to slur and pick on the disabled is lower than low. I hope you f*** with some veteran in a wheel chair some day and they kick the living sh*t out of you.
Hey I'm sorry, but its true people with that disorder are ani social, I have a brother who I love dearly who suffers from it. I feel for him, but I also know its hard to be social for him. I'm not saying they ain't worth anything, my brother is god damned smart and is in college, he just doesn't have social skills. I know its bad to generalize that and I'm sorry.
brunohusker - The game has treated you well and you like things the way they are---for YOU! Not being a lazy idiot ,as you say, or burdened by an affliction, I will NOT be treated that way, where the woman gets such an advantage. When will someone later pull out the "man up" argument? When it suits THEM! In one of the posts, a young lady said that the man who wanted to be approached by women first would become the husband who would ,one day, forget to make the mortgage payment. Man up?
I never approach guys, mostly cause I have no idea what to say and I'm not gonna walk up to some guy and go, "Oh hey, you're hot." Even if I walked over and just said hi I feel like I'd be standing there awkwardly. I figure if a guy liked me he'll grow a pair and come over and talk to me.
Everything you just said would be equally true if the genders were reversed. Guys feel the exact same awkwardness and are just as unsure of what to say. If you're not willing to put something on the line, then you don't deserve it.
I like my men to be assertive and take the lead, there's nothing wrong with that. If I wanted a little boy I'd go up to him and baby him and let him know I don't bite...but I want a man and a man will suck it up and make the first move
I believe she is right.....
You could also say the same thing of being a woman vs. a little girl. All people are taught that as adults we should be willing to work for what we want. I have no respect for someone who is not willing to work for what they want, and that includes women. What you want is for a man to pick up where your father left off, continuing to raise you and take care of you. But as an adult you shouldn't need that. Prove you're an adult, a woman, and not a little girl.
WeaponZero my father raised me to believe that a real man will approach a woman and risk getting rejected. He also taught me that real men open and hold doors, walk on the street side of the sidewalk, and will at the very least offer to pay. I said nothing about wanting to continue to be raised I just said that real men will approach women, I never said that afterwards I wanted him to read me a bedtime story and tuck me into bed
I have never even heard of walking on the street side of the sidewalk. Does that even make sense? Where does that come from? What's the point? I always thought it was logical to treat it like a street, keep to the right to make room for oncomers.
I believe that when it comes to dates, the person who chose the place, whether it was the man or the woman, should be the one to pay. Logical reason is because they elected the place with their own budget in mind, knowing they could afford it.
Also, my father tried to teach me that stuff too (minus the street one) but I have a problem, you see. And that is that things actually have to make sense to me. It doesn't matter whether it's tradition or not, what matters is that it's logical. And if I can't figure out a logical reason as to why something has been done a certain way for hundreds of years, then I probably won't do it that way.
But go ahead... Explain to me the LOGICAL reason why a man should do those things.
Street side of the sidewalk is walking on the side closest to the street, it's from way back in the day when they had horse and carriages riding around the guy is supposed to walk closest to the street so that dust doesn't get on the girl. Does it apply today, no, but it's still a sign of being gentlemanly, I'm sorry if that's over your head. It's kinda like how people say bless you when you sneeze cause some ancient culture, forget who, though sneezing was people blowing out their souls
And saying bless you was the only way to save yourself. That's outdated but people still do it to, to be polite. Honestly you just sound like an ass who just doesn't know anything about being a man if your reasoning is, "Girls who don't approach men don't deserve anything." There are just some things men do, approaching girls is one of them and that's how I feel, if you don't care enough to approach me to first talk to me then to me that just means that if you don't have the balls to approach
Me then you won't have the balls later to speak your mind then too. That's just how I feel adn it's not gonna change. I like guys to take charge, staring at me from across the room and not coming over is just gonna make me think I've got something on my face. If a guy wants you, he'll come to you, girls look stupid and desperate running after boys like a bunch of lost puppies anyway, I've seen it and it's sad
Nah, they look like drive, hard working human beings who deserve what they get because they're willing to work for it. And most guys find it extremely impressive. They don't look like little lost puppies, and guys look no different. The only difference is that when guys do it, its even more entertaining because a lot of the time they try to look suave and only end up creating a scene from a comedy movie.
See, what we have here is an ignorant bigot and coward. Her "daddy" taught her what a "real man" is supposed to do. He taught her that being a man is not about having male anatomy, it's some sacred office that being male makes you special and therefore gives you special responsabilitys and authority over women . This woman is a douche bag and a fool she is the enemy of every other woman alive and man to.
Well that was dramatic, I guess you're just another guy who's p*ssed that women don't come to you. I believe that a real man will go to a woman and talk to her. I've never approached a guy and I never will because I don't feel like I should have to, that's on them. Girls chasing guys looks desperate and I'm not desperate...I also get approached by guys so I'd say my douchebag bigoted ways are working just fine for me, how's b*tching and moaning working for you
I do approach women all the time douche bag biggot. I just don't approach morons who think I should act a certain way because of my sex. And I am a real man I was born that way I also have blue eyes are you going to say they aren't really blue unless I walk backwards under a full moon?
What the hell does having blue eyes have to do with anything? And if what I'm doing works for me and I'm happy why do you give two sh*ts about it? It's not like I'm personally affecting you or anything? Get over yourself and stop complaining. This is how I personally feel, you're not gonna change my mind, and I have every right to feel this way and not feel bad about it...especially since there are guys out there who feel the same way, you're just not one of them
"I figure if a guy liked me he'll grow a pair and come over and talk to me." You don't think that sh*t is offensive? You come on here with a bunch of foul mouth trash talk toward those who don't think like you and you wonder why you get attacked? I see why you didn't get my comment about blue eyes. If I have to explane it to you it goes like this ( really try and stretch that reptile brain of yours here ) being male is like being short or tall or having blue eyes it means nothing more than that
Maybe you should learn how to spell explain first sweetheart. And no, I don't think I said anything offensive, but I do think you need to get a grip. Whatever I'm doing doesn't change your life in any way, shape, or form. All I'm saying is that in my personal opinion, which I have every right to have, I think guys should approach girls because to me it shows that they have some balls to do relatively simple things like talk to me.
I refuse to chase guys around like some desperate, pathetic girl (which I've seen happen and it's just sad) so I'll let the guys chase me. If you're interested in me and too scared to come talk to me that's your loss and your problem, not mine. But since I'm the douchebag, bigot, with the reptile brain can you please explain to me how this personally affects you and why it bothers you so much. I want a man who's aggressive and straight forward, not one who hides in the corner
It affects every one when you do something immoral. If you were a racist that affects society if your a sexist who wants men to behave a certain way because of their sex that affects society to it's a social problem like drugs or alcohol. You keep harping on men not being afraid of approaching you but you keep insisting on you not having to approach them. That shows that you have a biased view and you think a persons body should determine their behavior and that is wrong.
Me not approaching guys is immoral and a social issue? Or maybe it's just a personal belief that I have. You do realize you just compared my behavior at the bar to racism right? I don't approach guys, I put all the effort into looking good and showing up with a smile on my face and you can't come over and say hi and my personal belief that it's not asking too much for a guy to do that is immoral? You are retarded
What 's immoral is that you think it's ok to expect men to do something because of their sex. You don't seem to get that and you call me retarded? You come on here talking about men not having any balls if they don't approach you first but if you don't have the courage to approach them first that's ok. Id say your bigotry IS like racism and HELL ya I know I compared you to a racist or I wouldn't have said it are you stupid?
Wow...you guys are really rude...sounds like a couple of you got your heart broken or at the very least get turned down ALL the time!!!...Poor you!!...The street thing is common practice for parents...they walk closer to the street than their kids, why? to protect them...Men (use to) do that to protect their women...kinda easy to figure out, no? And if you been brought up by a decent man, he would of thought you that or at the very least seen your mom do it!!!
While I don't agree with you regarding our gender roles, I do respect your stance. I was not offended by anything you said because I risk rejection a lot in the pursuit to get know someone. I think the risk is more than worth it and I can't waste time expending energy as to why its "immoral". ,
That was retarded, by the way. To call it immoral to not approach? As if its a requirement in life to give someone a chance in an attempt to prove just how moral you are? No.
You give someone a chance based on how you feel. Not anyone else.
If your ways work for you, then continue on. I won't knock it if it gets you what you want in life.
Are you asking if woman , DO , SHOULD, DON'T or WON'T?
I am not sure what your question is... Did you forget a word like WHY or DO, by any chance?
- Anyways, I ascribe to the school of humans, not of sex's... So, in my world, & that of most my friends, we approach those who we find interesting, wether they have penis or not.
I pay more attention to what people say, rather then what organ, they say it with.^
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It is tradition, and since our culture and society has made that the status quo, why girls women risk rejection when they can let all the guys come to them? They can get away with doing nothing, so of course they are going to get away with it"
"Why should girls take it upon themselves to approach guys and ask them out, start a conversation when siting back, relaxing and waiting for the date and right guy puts them in a position of absolute power?"
Thats why I think Women don't approach or pursue Men.
I think he means "why would women bother risking rejection when all they have to do is welcome or deny our advances?"
Not to sound cocky... but I have girls approach me frequently. Just last night me and a friend we are a club drinking and catching up and we had 3 pairs of girls come up and try and chat us up. We were slightly in shock because both of us assumed that we'd at least have to try and ake an effort to get girls.. apparently we were wrong
Women will approach a guy, I have had chicks come up to me and start a conversation, ask me if I was single, walk up to me in a bar like they already knew me and I say oh ok from where, she said I don't really know you, I just wanted to come up with an excuse to talk to you. So there you go women do approach men, not all the time but they do.
The reason that it is usually always figured that men approach first is because it shows there confidence and make them dominant over all the other males in the room and shows that they are willing to make a move. (providing they arn't drunk)
When a woman makes the first move it make her the dominant one in the relationship (however brief) Some men have a problem with this. So most women play the part that is expected of us.
Why play a part that is morraly wrong? What your missing is that were not animals trying to prove our dominance were HUMAN we think about things like ethics, art, philosophy. I find the idea that we are trying to express some sort of dominance the way an animal would disgusting personally.
But men do that...they love to show off in front of other men how many women they can get, how hot she is and so on!!! Just look at a man or woman in a relationship that see their partners being hit on, they will prove a point that their partner is taken. We will step up and see what's going on with body language expressing dominance (puffed out chest, standing taller, acting tuff, women will have the look that kills)... We have animal instincts...it's natural!
Like Enshi, I have never been approached by a woman myself, so in my experience this is true as well.
The reality is as long as men are approaching her she doesn't need lift a finger to chase anyone. And men will approach her, since if they don't, they will be at a disadvantage(compared to the men that do approach that is)
When a guy takes initiative and approaches a girl (especially, if he's afraid, but still does it!) it's just naturally very attractive to her(the creepy cases not included). It's masculine, it's manly, I don't know :) It's hot :)) When it's the opposite... I speak from a personal experience: I did it and I always felt a little less interested, because he wasn't doing the work, he wasn't being the guy.
No one has to do any thing because of their sex. I approach women if I like them not because I'm male. The idea that a girl thinks I should behave a certain way because of my sex is a total turn off for me. Gender roles are degrading to any one it focuses on the persons body and ignores their humanity.
I approach men ALL the time, I'm very attractive, a former model...I am very nice, sweet, and kind, and I still get shot down! Yes beautiful women get rejected too!
It seems like the b*tchy girls get all the men... us nice, pretty girls finish dead last :(
So you still got shot down? It's probably from the guys who are out of your league cause most average guys would dream to be approached by you.
Even if the DO, it is not that they MUST.. If you don't want to then just DON'T.
At some point people are going to have to go for what they want, or what is important to them, irregardless if they have a penis a vagina, or both or neither!
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I don`t approach guys for I have a fear that they will not like me or that I am not good looking or pretty, or just I get very nervous and shy. But if a guy comes to me, its a sign that he is interested and then I don`t have to get embarressed at all.
And you (women) want equal rights, right? Well I'll tell you Men have that fear too. Difference is that some women can be just so damn mean when they reject someone especially when they are amongst their friends. I know, I know some Men can too but women rarely make the first move. Imagine being rejected in a humiliating way. Its not going to make you want to jump right into approaching another women anytime soon is it. Women should take more of a role in instigating a conversation.
Swagger has a point....but there is a saying in our part of the world..."Both gentlemen missed the Bus by saying ....You First, You First".
Yeah but I think the point is that we are suppose to overcome that fear, besides, the worse that can happen is you get shot down, and when that happens just act like it doesn't matter or didn't even happen.
Off course, one will have to make the first move.
Ok true I guess, you do have a point, but I mean for me personally a guy coming to talk to me is less nerve racking for me than going to talk to a guy myself
Xcountryrunner - I do not approach women for I have a fear that they will not like me or that I am not goodlooking or handsome, or I just get very nervous and shy. But if a woman comes to me (I would NEVER,NEVER approach a woman) , its a sign that she is interested and then I do not have to get embarassed at all. Does that sound familiar?
Some women do like to approach men first. Many women, myself included, don't though. I don't know about the rest of the women but for me it's because of the universal rejection fear as well as my lack of flirting ability. I really just do not know when a man is interested in me unless he approaches me first.
Well...I wouldn't want a man to see I'm interested and turn me down...and when the night is over and he found nothing better, come back to me because I was interested...that's degrading and embarassing!!! I do approach guys first with a simple hello or comment, but if he doesn't take interest right away..forget him!!!
even though women have equal rights, when it comes to men, women are still old school, expecting men to do all the woek, and make all the moves, so much for women's liberation!
There are definitely women that approach men first, I am just not one of them. I am too shy to just go up to a guy I like.
yeah, I think girls in general want a guy who has the stones to approach them. if you can't man up then you won't get a date. if you really like the girl and get along well it shouldnt be a big deal anyway.
Exactly. I think showing interest in a guy is one thing and making yourself approachable is good, but I don't want to ask a guy out on a date and not because I am afraid to. It just isn't a good idea. Next thing you know, you are the one initiating everything else with him and later finding out he wasn't that in to you in the first place and that is why he did not ask you out. If I can ask a guy out, well I am sure he has enough confidence to ask me out too.
I don't approach guys because I want to make sure they're interested in me first
Even if she likes you, she'll wait for your approach.
Mostly true. Retarded, but true.
If she likes you she will often run arround like a chicken with it's head chopped off, back and fourth doing every possible thing to get your attention beside talking to you. It's funny as hell. I look at the girl like "well?" than she takes off like a scared rabbit. Instead of just saying hi. Other women will just walk up and shake your hand like a normal human being, have deep respect for those girls because of all the sh*tty gilry girls out there making it hard for all women.
It isn't fair. But this isn't a fair world, and we have to navigate it anyway.
In my experience, yes, that is true. I have never once been approached by a female. And I don't personally know of anyone who has.
In all honesty, I have been approached many times, one girlfriend of my wife even saying "I have to give you a blowjob". I'm starting to get a big head now, realizing from comments like yours that my experience is not that common. Regardless, I always like it. Life is good. Maybe when you are a little older, and develop more personality, girls might approach you. Also, remember that placing yourself in the right place (like at a party with lots of drunk girls) creates such situations.
Reading all of these responses from women, I'll say this. How do you think we feel? We think the same thing. Is she interested? Will she be? Will she like me? Come on now. lol
That is what I said to swagger as well.....lol
The person that disagreed with me is a retard. Guys DO think this.
God FORBID! Holy shi*! Girls think that all guys should like them regardless of how bi*chy they are or how big they are lol! I've already decided that I'm done putting effort in if I'm to get a girl it will be because she sees me for who I am.
while that may be true it is often the women who makes first contact like touching a guys shoulder showing that the women is intrested x x
were men we take what we want and do damage to those that stand in out way.
i always like a man to go 1st beacause it shows me that he is'nt embarresed by me and that he can take charge when the woman wants him to
Take charge? Why would you want a man in charge? I wouldn't even want to be around a woman who wanted me making all the decisions or who felt inferior to me. That would be pretty creepy. I would much rather have a woman who can stand up and be my equal than a woman-child who thinks I should be "in charge"
Take charge means being a man and taking your own decisions...A lot of men are wimps and make us Strong and Independant women make all the decisions and plans because it's easier...I like a man to take charge in his own things...I can take care of myself, I don't want to be a grown man's Mother...from experience, I like a man to take charge in his life and in bed :D!
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