Girls--Stop Griping about Male Standards. We're not asking that much. (Page 2)
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Male standard:
1. Dont be a cunt
2. Don't be crazy
3. Don't be a gold digger and be a decent human being.
4. Go to the gym wants in a while and be thin.
5. Be a nice person to us and others.
Female standards:
1. Have a nice face
2. Be taller than me
4. Make more money than me
5. Wear nice clothes
6. Be social/popular
7. Have a nice place
You forgot
8 have a big dick
9 don't be a wimp
10 have a good education
Men don't want a girl with a nice face, who wera nuce clothes, are social, educated and with a nice boobs and butt? Wow I never knew only women looked at physical traits. Guess that's why all the guys are heads over heels for ugly betty.
@MaiNameIsSunshine Nah. A girl could have a sub par face and alright body and guys would be fine. Women are the ones who put empahsis on social, education and all that other BS.
I think the problem is because these women don't match up with even reasonable standards so they want to rip you apart now. Since you didn't write some nonsense about intelligence being the most sexy trait or some other PC crap, they will take it as on opportunity to twist your words to make it sound like you don't care about anything other than looks.
Wow. Jennifer Lawrence sure did have a lot of nudes of herself on the cloud. Seriously. Her nipples are quite unsymmetrical. Quite unsymmetrical indeed.
Emma Watson looks like a transvestite. The most supremely over-rated woman on Earth.
I would not be fine with that sort of body.
I totally agree with the premise of your MyTake. But you got a bit too specific, ending up failing at generalization.
Way to prove men don't have high standards.
@aliceinwonderland69 Oh, don't get me wrong. I would bone Jennifer Lawrence in a heartbeat. I'm just talking about the ideal body. Unsymmetrical nipples aren't ideal. Humans base attractiveness on symmetry, after all.
And I mostly hate Watson because everyone loves her so much, in addition to her rampant, viscous feminist stances.
Men have standards. They just have standards a lot lower than women. Exactly how do you define what is high and what is low? If I say I have any standards whatsoever, are you going to say they're high? It's about in contrast to women. And, in any case, I have higher standards than most men. Even if I did have high standards, that doesn't prove that all men have high standards.
Are you saying that women don't have high standards in contrast to men?
I love how you made these great points and had examples for your position, and women STILL accused you of being too selective.
Girls, as a male, I can confirm that all we want is Not overly put of shape bodies and preferably long hair. Literally anything more is bonus.
If your complaining that guys o ly like JLaw and Kate Upton because they have big boobs, you're more superficial than us, so please stop telling us what it is we like.
and guys accused him of not being selective enough, disproving his point
I think you might have proved the opposite of what you intended to. There is another rational male on the Internet. Maybe you've read his blog?
I don't think so. My point was that it's not hard to look decently attractive--you don't even have to be in amazing shape. (see kate upton.) Also the simple importance of hair was another point--Emma Watson and JLaw.
They look in pretty good shape to me. Not what I'd call examples of realistic beauty standard. Also if a girl can go from hot to ugly with just a hair cut makes your standards seem arbitrary.
Pretty good shape by today's rampant obesity.
What exactly is wrong with Kate's body? What would you improve? She looks to be a healthy BMI.
That's my point! LOL. She's a sex symbol, but she's hardly some skinny victoria's secret model or such. She's demonstrating that despite what some girls gripe "guys want skinny models" that she became a famous sex symbol and she's not even in amazing shape. She's in good shape, but hardly looks like she's spending an hour a day in the gym to get there.
Kate's boobs are too big.
@zagor Way to prove men aren't fussy! Lol
What standards? Males do not have any. Apparently you are all automatons who can not think for yourselves -- which is how you are able to constantly talk for each other. Totally interchangeable.
And totally amused at all the butthurt shining from women haha
Wow. And you bitches get mad when we stereotype you like that...
we can see your type is long blonde hair haha, emma watson looks amazing with short hair so i don't know what you're talking about. j-law wouldn't get a second look, she's pretty average looking.
That's part of the lesson. Girls might think Emma Watson looks amazing with short hair, so they emulate it. They need to realize that some things girls think looks great--will just kill your looks for men. So if you want a date, pick the style men find attractive, not women.
changing your appearance to please other people doesn't lead to fulfillment. if a guy doesn't like my style then that's the type a guy i don't want to know. i'm sure other girls see it that way as well. would you change your appearance just to appeal to girls?
I have and I would. I want to be attractive to the opposite sex, so when I get style advice from hot girls, I take it.
well okay then, i wouldn't. i'm aware of what guys like and it doesn't mean i'll conform to it, if all beauty was the same then we'd live in a boring world.
I would say that beauty is exceptional by definition, like excellence.
i think there's a discrepancy of what men drool over and glorify and what they realistically will look for and take and that discrepancy is amplified in the heads of women
Excellent take. And we should also note that most men don't require women to be funny or otherwise charming or to have great career prospects either.
Actually, why not? Your future partner should have a personality that interests and attracts you. Her being capable of contributing financially should be important too, unless you're really rich. Especially if you intend to have children.
@Nachtmeerde I agree that a woman's personality is very important, though I do not include being funny in that.
However, I am a very rare man. Women wish that men cared more about personality and less about looks, but, trust me, you wouldn't like it. If most other men thought like me, most women would find it very difficult to get laid at all!
@evenlift Uh, quick warning: your last sentence can be misconstrued as you saying most women only have their looks going for them.
But why does having more people place emphasis on personality instead of looks a bad thing? :/ One would imagine a lot of nice, lonely girls and guys getting more attention while abusive, manipulative jerks with looks get left in the cold. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.
@Nachtmeerde That is precisely what I meant. But, if it's any consolation, it is not entirely women's fault: the incentive for them to develop their personalities isn't obvious enough.
I didn't say it would be bad. I said they wouldn't like it.
Girls already do care about personality, which is why guys find it difficult.
On the contrary, girls would get much less male attention, if guys cared much more about personality.
@evenlift Lemme guess: plain Janes who can't rely on their looks don't exist in your world. Neither do women who are actually decent people. (*rolls eyes) But oh, maybe they're just not worth talking or thinking about?
@Nachtmeerde Plain Janes get plenty of male interest based on their looks. Men find the youthful womanly form appealing.
Is being merely 'decent' enough for a man to get female interest? No. That's why I say, if men cared as much about personality as women do, women wouldn't like it. Women are being deluded by men and by themselves into thinking that women's personalities are much better than they actually are.
... so you , genuinely believe that men have inherently better personalities than women? That there are no women out there who are unwanted? And that there are no 'decent' men out there who aren't single?
... You're actually fucking serious.
Please don't tell me you also believe this social situation actually applies everywhere regardless of culture.
@Nachtmeerde No, in fact, I said that men have it hard because women care about personality. Besides, no one has an inherent personality.
I never said that no women are unwanted.
I never said there are no decent men who aren't single.
No. I'm talking about the Angophone West mainly, though this applies to some extent to the rest of the West too, I think. In some cultures, for exmaple, people have little to no choice about their romantic/sexual relationships. So, clearly, what I have said would not apply there.
You would do well to respond to what I actually say.
(*sighs) Ok. For one moment I feared I was talking to someone completely delusional.
Right, respond to what you said: I don't believe women have it "easier" because men aren't generally simpletons or animals. Also, most of them have self-respect. In other words, a nice body doesn't make up for character defects, unless we're talking one-night stands. If it's just a bang and run, most women wouldn't need a Prince Charming either. Hell, no woman COULD even pick up how bad someone is in that short a time, unless the guy made no effort at all to hide his douchey-ness.
TLDR; personality isn't a big game-changer among people just looking for sex, whether they're men or women.
@Nachtmeerde Actually, most men don't have self-respect. Neither do most women, though this manifests differently.
(*sighs) Why do you have such an unfavourable opinion of people in general?
@Nachtmeerde Because they deserve it. Reality is reality.
Had some really bad experiences, haven't you. :/
I know it can seem like they're no good people left in the world. But I can promise you, there are. You just need to go out and find them.
@Nachtmeerde Not especially.
But, there are very few substantially good people in the world. That's always been the case.
Not saints, no. But in my opinion, there are no such things as saints. Even the best people will always be flawed. They may have selfish reasons, they may doubt when they should have faith, they may have uncharitable thoughts occasionally. They make mistakes. No one is exempt from that.
But that's why I believe many people are good: they try. For the wrong reasons, for the right reasons, whether on informed or misinformed intent, they all try. In spite of the blackness and flaws that might exist in their thoughts and psyches, they struggle to be good.
Sometimes, terrible things happen because of that. But that doesn't make people cruel. It just means humanity is tragic. All the more reason to be kinder and self-aware.
@Nachtmeerde People are actually very faith-driven. That's part of the problem.
And they are not selfish. Being selfish means acting rationally in one's objective self-interest. People are self-destructive.
I'd say being selfish means putting one's wants above another's needs. Or never stopping to consider what others might want/ need. How do you consider faith a part of the problem?
@Nachtmeerde If you truly live according to your self-interest, then you do consider other people's wants and needs and fulfil some of them. For example, you wouldn't last long in your job, if you didn't consider your boss's wants and needs.
Facts are not to be found through faith. Reason is the only means of acquiring knowledge, and that includes knowledge about morality.
Ok, let me revise that: selfish means not considering the needs and wants of others when it does not benefit the self. The measure of humanity being how you treat others when you're in the position of power, and all that.
Oh, you meant religious faith. That's a whole different can of worms. I meant faith in other people, in humanity. Believing that there's some good in people, that those who've done wrong may genuinely wish to do better.
@Nachtmeerde I don't consider that to be a problem.
Trust is sometimes justified. But, faith, which is belief in the absence of evidence, is never justified.
How so? From what I can see, selfishness drives indifference towards human suffering. It drives economic inequality.
The problem with always relying on evidence before trusting someone is getting that evidence. There will always be imperfect situations in life where trust is demanded or required before you truly know someone. For example, dating, friendships and hostile situations.
Well apparently women's standards for men are more realistic based on looks (since most men are average) since that seems to be the only thing you give two fucks about.
That doesn't make any sense. Most women are also average.
I agree 100% great take.
The hair part especially. Long hair is beautiful, women should grow it out, not cut it to look like a dude.
Women should do whatever the fuck they want with the dead protein that grows out of their scalp.
@lumos Of course it's your choice do whatever but some choices are better than others.
@lumos Women are free to have short or long hair or shave their heads if they want. It's like how men are free to never exercise and dress like slobs if they want.
And the opposite sex is free to never have any interest in dating those women with short hair or overweight men. who don't work out.
Just because some choices are "better" than others due to how the male gaze defines them, it doesn't mean women "should" go with the "better" choice.
I never said that people should force themselves to feel attraction towards those they are attracted to. I just think the use of the word "should" in your opinion (QuestionMan) is unnecessary. Just like you can't force people to feel attraction, you can't force people to abide to your personal standards and preferences.
@lumos I never said you should, no one is forcing you to do anything.
Some choice though are better than others.
"women should grow it out"
@lumos Yes they should.
No, they shouldn't.
@lumos @RationalMale
Are we really going to turn this into "Yes they should" "No they shouldn't" until someone blocks the other person?
Let's just agree to disagree. RationalMale, myself and many other guys like long haired women. I'm sure there are guys that are into the whole lesbian haircut that some women have going on.
This argument is over semantics lol.
He is using "should" as in "it would be better if"
And lumos is looking at "should" as in "should be expected or required".
@rjroy3 Exactly
I don't understand why so many girls are mad. It's not like they're trying to date you so why take it personally? lol.
Because women like to make anything criticizing them into ssomething that makes them the victims. That's why. Women have a victim complex.
@Steelcore1085 I can agree with that.
I completely agree with he fact that a lot of women seem to overestimate the expectations/standards of most men. But the rest of this mytake doesn't do a great job of explaining that, and your expectations do actually seem to be quite high.
Just because you are on a cover of a magazine doesn't mean you are good looking.
If you have low standards, that's fine but I'm certainly asking for more.
It is really not that hard to settle for better than an overweight average Jane.
I like the way you choose pictures of conventional beauty and sexy bodies to explain your standards aren't that high.
i didn't even read your take, i jusr came here for those pics XD
What a marvelous mytake. Those chicks want a tall, hot, good-looking guy while they are themselves fat, short, ugly.
Lol. What an ass hole.
Don't be a bitter loser, guys don't want that.
Interesting that you think I give a fuck what guys want. Haha.
Gina Carano on the end lol. Nice
My hair never grew past my bust.
What then?
You don't need hair down to your butt. Basically as long as it's shoulder length or longer, you'll look a lot more attractive than if it were short or pixie.