Why I Gave Up Talking to Women

[Anonymous]

A while ago, I gave up talking to women and even being around women. And to answer your thoughts, no I am not gay, I am far from gay, but I've given up trying to talk to women because each and every women I have talked to has given me the same response. In this take, I'll explain why I, as a 17 year old male, have given up on talking to women.

1.) Looks

The majority of girls only care about looks. Plain and simple. If they tell you that they care about personality more than looks that they are most likely lying. Girls want a guy with a handsome face and an aesthetically pleasing body aka big arms, big chest, and a six pack. Let me tell you guys something. Girls will always say that they prefer skinny guys or fatter guys, but in the end the majority will get their panties wet over a guy who looks like a Greek god. A majority of girls don't even talk to you unless they find you physically pleasing.

They believe that talking to guys who aren't physically good looking are a waste of time to talk to. Since I'm not blessed with amazing facial features and I'm doomed to be skinny forever and will never get a god like body, I am not wanted by girls, and so I do not waste my time or their time talking to them or being in their presence. Whenever I'm with a group of my guy friends and they go over and talk to girls that they know (some of these girls even know me) I walk away, so that they can spare themselves from being disgusted by my facial features.

2.) Language

I feel as though learning a girl's "language" is harder than learning rocket science. What I mean by language is body language and mental language. Learning a girl's body language is really hard because each girl has a different way of expressing their body language and tend to send mixed signals without even knowing it. A girl's mental language is even harder to crack. Knowing how a girl thinks is really hard because their brain functions on who they pick to date are more complicated than a guy. They always need to pick the right guy. Looks are essential in this stage because that is how the girl is going to judge if you are a creepy rapist or a normal guy. Kinda stupid right? That's why girls won't associate themselves with you if you're unattractive. They will automatically think you're a creep. That is another reason why I don't want to be in the presence of girls.

3.) Status

I don't have much to say about this one because it's really a simple concept. If you are of a higher status (rich, play sports, etc.) then girls will love you. I don't really have a high status at my school. It isn't super high but yet it isn't super low. I have a lot of friends at school, but girls see me as a loser because I'm not physically pleasing to them.

And this concludes myTake. These reasons are why I don't talk to girls and the reasons why I try to stay away from them. Plain and simple ladies and gents. Thanks for reading!

[sovetskii13]

Another under 18 year-old giving up on women. The gender split is getting wider and wider. I'm fine with your decision. But you have to know that the majority of jobs and careers will include having to be around women and communicating in a professional manner and setting. At least gain some knowledge and practice talking to them in a friendly way. It will help you in the future. I've been single all my life and gave up at 21. But I still have to work with them at my job. I can't set them to invisible. Chances are you will be in a similar scenario. So, communication is key in a successful friendship, relationship, career, and everything else that involves more than one person. Keep your head up.

[JesseBrooks]

I have to say, when I was going to middle school and HS, It wasn't nearly as bad as today. Shit got real for the younger generation. Have you read some of the comments the younger girls have posted? I mean the toxic ones. Holy SHIT

[FatherJack]

@JesseBrooks I am very thankful I am not a teen lad nowadays... it could be hard enough back in the 80's , but now , it's because girls / women have been deliberately indoctrinated into viewing boys / men as worthless , lesser beings by the " media " & feminist propaganda , look up Agenda 21 , this is just one symptom of the REAL disease !

[miamigirl1970]

Please do not sell yourself out of the market by being so "victim like" Being much older, I can tell you that your assumption about women is not all correct. Some points might be true, but there are those of us that are not so hung up on just looks and build. For example, what drives me more crazy is an educated mind. I used to think that all men viewed women in the same you are thinking women judge men, but it is not true. Men like a confident woman! That I have learned. So get back in the game, build your confidence, and quit judging all women, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME

[JesseBrooks]

I believe the same. These other young girls going out of their way to spread basically what I consider demoralizing garbage, only seem to reinforce his views. The younger generations are a lot more hostile than when I was going to school. Holy crap

[JesseBrooks]

And before someone wants to call me a misogynist, younger men are just as bad. But regardless, there's still REAL people out there. I think our society is pushing this IDGAF mentality , among other factors, that makes people think they can go around spewing hate without fear of consequence. Hell, people can't even whoop their kids asses without "ZOMG! CHILD ABUSE" a lot of parents also believe that just talking sweet to kids like that reinforces discipline. Very disturbing future ahead.

[JesseBrooks]

I used to get my ass handed to me when i was growing up. Sucked back then, but I understand now.

[Sweetmagee2]

@JesseBrooks as a teacher... the parents who are all nice to their kids have what I like to call "royalty syndrome" . They're going to be very unhappy growing up :/. I don't want them to experience sadness, but I wish the parents would add some discipline. It's hard to have a child in the classroom who is not disciplined at home.

[miamigirl1970]

@Sweetmagee2 I totally agree. It is a shame, we have one extreme or the other in public education. The "entitled ones" or the "left out ones" Plenty of children who raise themselves. So sad, I had to leave public education, I applaud you!

[Sweetmagee2]

It is terrible to see... but what makes me keep going is trying to correct it as much as I can. At least if you're going to have some sort of major fault they'll have manners lol

[JesseBrooks]

I basically raised my 2 sisters. Dad bounced when I was 5, Never got to know mom until I was 25. Im happy to say my sisters turned out just fine. Probably my lifes biggest accomplishment.

[Sweetmagee2]

@JesseBrooks well that's amazing and great! That's so nice of you to do. A lot of siblings would just say "oh I'm sorry, you're out on your own like me"

[JesseBrooks]

@Sweetmagee2 My only regret now is being the only one without a family of my own. My sisters are married and have kids. I spent too much time worrying about everyone else that I forgot myself. My youth wasn't wasted exactly, I just never got to enjoy it. Im now 28, been single my whole life and still a virgin. Pretty frickin dismal

[Sweetmagee2]

@JesseBrooks you still got time. I promise. At school there are parents having kids at 34 and they're perfectly healthy! I know it may not seem like it now, but 28 is still pretty young.

[JesseBrooks]

@Sweetmagee2 I keep trying to remind myself of this. It gets pretty ridiculous sometimes when people find out your 28 and still a virgin though. a lot of people look at me like Im about to go full blown Elliot Rodgers on them.

[Sweetmagee2]

@JesseBrooks lol don't tell them your a virgin then. Wait until you are dating the guy for a while and tell them. A lot of men are babies and feel it's a lot of pressure to sleep with a virgin because they are grown enough to know now that, that is something special to a women :) so like I said wait until you have a boyfriend and tell him. He doesn't need to know right off the bat. He needs to get to know you and you need to get to know him. When you think you're ready to have sex with that amazing and lucky man, then you tell him and I'm sure you are smart to have picked a great guy who will say "okay well let me know when you're ready"

[JesseBrooks]

@Sweetmagee2 lol im straight, but I usually dont make it a point to tell people Im a virgin. People are intelligent, they will be able to deduce that Im a virgin fairly quickly despite my attempts to lie about it. Ultimately, having to lie about it goes against my nature. One of my most important values is honesty. When people have to fake it to make it, are they really satisfied about their accomplishments? Knowing the only reason they succeeded at all was because they had to fake who they are? I dont know about some, but it makes me feel a little dirty. Ranting here, but I found it really funny you thought I was gay lol, a lot of people do, no offense to you personally, many people figure if a man is a late in life virgin we must be gay lol. Or worse, a sleeping psychopath.

[Sweetmagee2]

@JesseBrooks omfg I didn't... omg how do I say this? Okay so I have a friend named Jesse and she is a girl. I was looking at Miami girls picture and thinking it was you! Omg I'm so sorry!!! I'm dying of laughter right now

[Sweetmagee2]

@JesseBrooks now that I know you're a male. Girls would love a virgin! No past 😁

[JesseBrooks]

@Sweetmagee2 Im not offended NP. I hear a lot of different women say that they would like to have a guy with no mileage, but my personal experiences over the years tells me otherwise. Maybe we are from parallel dimensions, whichever the case, I have yet to see a better side to the whole love business.

[cth96190]

While I understand your pain, I think that walking away from women at the age of 17 is a tad extreme and premature.
While what you wrote is seen as the truth from your current vantage point, I can say that changing some of the factors that you list would not be guaranteed to change your appeal to women.
I will offer myself as an example.
When I was your age, I had about the same rate of success with females. Until I was 30, it was almost impossible for met to get a date and there were even fewer second dates.
By comparison to your situation, I had the looks (I was a swimmer, a martial artist and when I was older I became a television presenter, so the head must have been presentable).
I was always the smartest kid in the class, which led to bullying without end throughout my life at school. Dullards always resent the clever ones.
My family had money, thanks to a multi-generational involvement in an illegal gambling enterprise. Imagine growing up in something that was rather like a scene from the Godfather.
All that. . . but 99.99 per cent of girls would have rather thrown themselves under a train than go out with me.
From what I have gone through, I can make a few constructive suggestions that might improve your life.
1. You are angry and bitter. Get past that, because it will take over your life and will cause you to engage in self-destructive behaviour. In terms of your 'success' (for want of a better word) with women, the anger and bitterness will create a loop of self-reinforcing failure.
2. Invest in yourself. My suggestion would be that you become a dedicated student of a martial art. Your physical state will improve, your mental focus and clarity will improve and it is rather useful to be able to defend yourself effectively.
3. Read the following books:
a. Awaken the giant within (Anthony Robbins)
b. How to win friends and influence people (Dale Carnegie)
c. The instant millionaire (Mark Fisher)
d. Men are from Mars and women are from Venus (John Gray)

[Anonymous]

Women only value 3 things. Every other BS that comes out of their mouth is irrelevant.

1. Money- Women want to be provided for, have money thrown their way and have a fun life. A lot of fun things require money, so girls seek money.

2. Look - This need no explanation. We all need visual stimulation. However, unlike men who find vast majority of women attractive. Women only really find a small percentage of males attractive. The reason for this is Estrogen in their body which make them horny for specific traits and is why when they are ovulating they tend to get horny for masculine men.

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3. Social Status- From I can gather women are constantly doing shit test on guys to determine their social rank/popularity/influential power. They even sometime wait for other girl's to give their opinion on whether a guy is hot to determine if she finds him hot. Social status.

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Now are all women the same? No. Think of each of these 3 categories like 3 separate exam papers where much like the SAT, you need to make a minimum combine score to get into a particular college (woman).

Now, women who like older men for example. You'll find that more emphasis is placed on money/social status which these guys will have over younger males.

So let say the paper was out of 2400 points. For these girls 800 - Status, 1000-money and 600 in looks. And this girl might require you to make at least 1500 to even consider dating you. While a male who scores very high close to 2400 she will be all over his ass, and will chase him like crazy for commitment.

So yes. Looks, Money, Social status is only 3 things women care about ultimately.

Nice gestures do not get you anywhere, being a gentleman does not get you anywhere, being loyal and staying by her side through tough and bad times does not get you anywhere unless of course she is past her physical prime.

[JesseBrooks]

There are still genuine good women who respect a gentleman. Good luck trying to find one. I've been trying for 13 years

[JesseBrooks]

LOLOLOL @datgirl what a poisonous bitch. You troll people then block em? ROFL Some people need to die screaming.

[miamigirl1970]

I see by your age, you think you have it all figured out. Guess what, you don't. First of all I am independent and the only money that matters to me is what I earn from my job. Looks, I have been married to the same man longer than you have been living. Looks are not what I sought after, I wanted a true and honest heart. I got one. Social status means nothing. I have a modest home, and a great support system, that's what is most important. You see when you are older you know that nothing is as important as family. One illness, one accident can change your entire life, and for the opinion owner here, please understand your ideas will change many times over the next ten years. Don't let certain female attitudes change you, not yet anyway, get out there and dance in the rain.. Best of luck

[Anonymous]

Dude. You are literally a teenager. No offense, but you have never given up on talking to women, because you never spoke to one. You are speaking to GIRLS. High school bratty bitch girls.

Let me tell you something. Your world is about to turn upside down.. in a good way. You will see people of all kinds attracted to each other when you get older and begin to see ADULT relationships.

In order to be romantic with someone, you have to attracted to them physically to some degree. Do you go for girls you aren't at all sexually attracted to? No? Didn't think so. Just had to clear that up. But what you view as attractive absolutely changes as you get older. I am not attracted to the "Greek God" look at all. I think it looks contrived and annoying. My boyfriend is skinny, but I still find him super hot.

And good luck trying to figure out a teenage girl's language Teenagers can hardly figure THEMSELVES out let alone someone else. You will see this in both men and women for the next several years.

And status? I'm sorry, but don't make me laugh. At your age the only status you have is based on high school cliques that literally represent NOOOOTHING in the real world. Money? Prestige? You have none because you're all working at Hot Topic or Subway and you sleep in your childhood bedroom. In high school people are afraid of getting made fun of, so they go for people that seem "cool" because it secures their social standing. The real world is honestly nothing like this, I assure you.

[myTake Owner]

Do you really assure me that the "real world" is like this? Then why are there many accounts of men in this "real world" having the same experiences as me? Sometimes the lines blur between teens and what you call "reality"

[supernerd99]

@myTakeowner in the real world its actually worse. cause you'll see even worse shit happening. if you see women with love you'll see its not all of them like that. if you dont get over your current boyish phase, you'll internalise these events and interpret them as confirming and enhancing of your beliefs.

[Opinion Owner]

Haha well with that attitude you will have a hard time. I wish I could tell you how many crappy experiences I've had with men. Sometimes people just suck. It isn't about women or men. But if you really think life is like high school, then I feel sad for you.

[deverchalk]

Just wait until you get out of high school and the star football player in your high school is changing the oil in your car for part time and minimum wage for the next 10 years after he barely graduates. Or, the "cool" people who will be in jail, prison, or worse... dead, because they decided to join a gang and get killed or overdose on drugs. These events are real-world ones that happened to some of my classmates so I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass here. High school really is nothing like the real world, because the rich kids at school aren't rich, their parents are.

[jadexo]

I notice you use a lot of "girls believe...", "girls think that...", etc etc. Obviously, as a 17 year old boy who has no experience with girls, you know exactly what they want. I want to help you, but to do that I can't spare your feelings.

1) Yes, girls do want to be a relationship with attractive men. But do girls want to associate with solely attractive men? No. Maybe being skinny and unattractive doesn't exactly make you prime pickings for a relationship, but, shock, girls will still want to be your friend, if you're worth being friends with. I'm not that sociable with boys, but the boys I most enjoy being around aren't fit. They're funny, or confident, or interesting. Harsh truth: if girls are seemingly rejecting your attempts at friendship, then maybe you're the problem. Look at yourself - are you fun to be around? Can you hold a decent conversation? Do you care about the friendship regardless of whether you end up with her or not? Maybe girls think you're creepy because you are.

Plus, I know girls who sleep with, go out with, etc etc boys who they aren't attracted to. I personally wouldn't but lots of girls do. And girls have a wide range of what they see as attractive. Even fit girls can be attracted to seemingly average men.

2) Yes, you will never know what girls are thinking. You will also never completely know what your dad is thinking, or your best friend. We're not mind readers. Everyone can give confusing body language. Get over it.

3) According to your theory, girls won't talk to ugly boys. Yet somehow being rich will bypass this. Wealth may be a factor but unless you've got a proper gold digger on your hands then it's not the main one.

Also, maybe, just maybe, girls are into boys who play sports because it makes them interesting. I don't see how being into football gives you 'status'.

[myTake Owner]

Well all of your points confirmed why I am trying to stay away from women so thank you. Also, the majority of women want to have friends they find attractive, but wouldn't date. I don't know why this is but it is what it is. Also, when I was comparing playing football to status, in the pros, playing football gets you national attention and money which girls will flock to.

[CHRIS11796]

Looks are subjective though. What one girl doesn't find attractive, another will.

[Sweetmagee2]

@CHRIS11796 boom! You said it perfectly!

[CHRIS11796]

@Sweetmagee2 Thank you. 👍

[myTake Owner]

@CHRIS11796 I believe that is true to an extent. If the majority of women find you attractive then there are a small percentage that don't then that small percentage wouldn't matter.

[Sweetmagee2]

Uuughhhhh so negative you are owner of this post!!! Stop it!!!

[CHRIS11796]

Bro It's like you want women to obsess over your appearance lol. Like I've said women are visual, just not as much as guys.

[CHRIS11796]

I've mentioned guys being more visual in another post before.

[jadexo]

I literally just told you that no, that's not the case with most women. I'm pretty sure I, an actual woman, know more about that than you.

Eh, the football point is fair. But I don't see how girls considering money is a negative. It can show that a guy can buy her cool stuff, but it also shows that he is successful - dedicated & passionate for what he does. Which are all other qualities that girls look for.

Like I said, I'm legitimately trying to help you. Women aren't how you think they are. If I knew you, I wouldn't want to be around you either, because you're bitter. Bitter, miserable boys are awful to be around. Why would girls want to be around someone who thought they were all shallow bitches and not worth associating with?

[myTake Owner]

@CHRIS11796 I don't want women to obsess over my looks but that is how it's been since the beginning of time.

[myTake Owner]

Opinion owner, a large majority of women, especially at my age, are shallow bitches. They want someone who they find physically attractive.

[jadexo]

Yes, girls want to be in a relationship with fit guys. I only want to go out with someone I'm attracted to.

But you've said you've given up because girls won't even talk to ugly boys, which it completely untrue.

I don't understand what you're saying. Do you see girls as 'shallow bitches' because you think they won't even talk to you, or because they don't see you in a romantic light?

[jadexo]

Guys like you have confirmation bias.

You don't try to talk to girls because you think they're 'shallow bitches'. Girls don't talk to you because you're bitter and miserable because you think girls are 'shallow bitches'. You then use that as proof that girls are shallow and bitchy, which, to you, confirms your original beliefs.

[myTake Owner]

Yes, I don't try to talk to girls because I know what their response is gonna be "ew, no, get away from me you creep" and all I did was say hi, my name is (blank) how has your day been? I've seen this over and over again to the point where I automatically believe that that is going to be every girl's response. Because I've failed so many times, I've given up to try again.

[jadexo]

It seems like you're approaching girls you don't know, as you're introducing yourself and such. Which, to us girls, always indicates that you're looking for something more than friendship. I wouldn't approach a random stranger just to be their friend, just like if some guy came up to me in the street, I'd know he's not just being friendly. I wouldn't immediately shut him down but unless I was attracted to him it wouldn't go any further into friendship, because if the only connection is a one way attraction then it's awkward. If you're approaching random girls then they probably will shut you down because they know what you want.

I am still legitimately confused about what you want. Do you actually want female friends without any romantic possibility?

[myTake Owner]

I want both, but I just gave an example of when I want someone has a romantic partner. How else am I suppose to meet women then if I can't meet random people? That is how relationships are made, with random people

[CHRIS11796]

Yes but jade help him to understand that what one girl doesn't find attractive another will. And he seems to forget that confidence and a great attitude can help attract girls as well. I'm aveaverage looking guy, but i have other qualities that attracted some girls.

[CHRIS11796]

And girls like all kinds of guys. Not just fit guys. I know girls who like chubby guys, skinny guys, husky , and so on.

[CHRIS11796]

Average*

[jadexo]

@CHRIS11796 Exactly! (I mean fit as in attractive, not necessarily athletic - it's UK slang). Skinny isn't even a negative really. I don't mind skinny. And yeah, you said, personality helps. I do know girls who go out with meh looking guys because they're funny or confident.

And to the mytake guy: maybe don't try to approach random women in public - it probably won't work, as I said. Talk to women you're friends are friends with, or girls in your class, or at work, or the cashier at Starbucks. People you could legitimately just be friends with. You could make friends with your male Starbucks cashier, but you'd find it weird if some guy came up to you on the street and tried to befriend you. Always start talking to a girl with the intention of being friends and then if you want a relationship, you can think about that later.

As for actually being friends with girls... As I've said a million times, attractiveness doesn't affect friendship, personality does.

[JohnDoeJr]

You are right, all else equal people want to interact and be around more desirable people. Whatever desirable means to them. Stop excluding yourself and half the population from this simple truth. How many times did YOU try initiating a conversation with someone you didn't find desirable?
Seeing yourself as morally better than them and giving yourself this victim mentality is only going to bite you in the ass later on. (I'm writing this to help you. I've had my share of bitterness towards women and I can tell you it's not going to help you one bit.)

[deverchalk]

myTake, you aren't old enough to be bitter about women yet. The "women" you're talking about are still girls. You aren't even in the real world yet; high school isn't real and the stupid high school caste system you are unwittingly subject to will fall apart once you graduate. Only then will you realize the dynamic will change. I screwed up real bad when I was in my early youth; girls used to stare at me all the time, and I've even been asked out by a few, hit on blatantly by more than I can count, young and old, hot & not, and all races. I was hit on from time to time by gay guys, and even straight guys would compliment my looks in subtle ways. However, I had low self esteem, and rarely took advantage of it all. A girl I was interested in a few years ago asked me to go out with her, and you know what happened? A fat, short, balding, older, average guy with a kid and low paying job beat me out in competition for her. He had the game I didn't. It isn't all about looks.

[MrOwens]

I get tired of reading things like this. About stacking woes of why women are not talking to you or men like you. News flash you have it no harder than anyone out here. A woman is more attracted to alpha men. Or the Alpha is looking for a beta to dominate and vise versa. It has been like this since primitive days. It is in our genetic make up. #3 About status. When you are more accomplished as a man you will have higher self-esteem and be more in line with your masculine core.. #2. Language. When you mention body and looks again. #1. Looks again.

What this reverberates is, you are tied up on how you look. You are attempting to pull good looking girls when you need to work on yourself. High School girls are such fluke! I would be more focused on getting a scholarship over a girl in high school. If this needs to complete your life. You need to stop focusing on the problem and focus on the solution. One your attitude towards the opposite sex sucks. If you are out of shape and the girls you like are in shape they won't date someone who is not equal. Start loving yourself first. High school girls will not complete you. Evaluate where you are not winning and work on it. If you love yourself you will be come more attractive. Want to stop being seen as a looser stop acting like a beta male. You got some work to do and self improving. You are not a victim you just need to take the rose colored glasses off and stop expecting people and seeking approval and entitlement. If you stop talking then you really won't get noticed.

[VICTOR9212]

Ok i'm going right to the point. First the girls in your age group are not acting mature enough. I was of giving up on all of this relationship stuff. Once i asked myself ''do i need a girlfriend - all i need is cars (cause im a mechanic)''. I think around 21 i fell i love for the third time in my life so i said to myself ill tell her (yeah right, like that will happen), i didn't say anything. She found out on her own and so i got ''no'' from her. I was down in the dumps, but a year after that (totally avoiding girls as much as i could) something just snapped and i ever since when i talk with girls i trust i dont hold my emotions. In a group of girls when they talk about some problem involving guys i dont ask them do they want my opinion. I'm directly saying what i thin about that matter. When meeting a girl i dont know at first i tend o ask questions and answer hers, but it takes time to get to me.
About looks and status etc crap like that. There are girls that dont care at all about that. Some of he girls i know are like that.

But screw my story. I think you should not give up at all. Your 17 years old. Hormones are going nuts - talk to girls more often. Ask then what they like. Dont pull back in some confort zone. I did that and it hurts more than talking with them. Eventually you'll find a girl thats worth the emotions and does not care about looks or money.

[TheFlak38]

You got it all wrong from 1 to 3.
It's not just about money, looks or social status. It's about confidence which you don't have. It’s a MASSIVE misconception that men are confident because they are attractive – in fact, it’s the other way around. Men are attractive because they are confident.
The reason women seem to fall for wealthy men is that humans work on what is called a “slippery slope mentality,” which means that our thought processes typically follow an “If this, then that” pattern. When a woman sees a man with money, she might automatically think “Hm... this could be the man for me. I can have whatever I want. I will be treated well.” But subconsciously, there’s a lot more going on than the simple “I can get free stuff” thought process. After all, there are lots of guys out there who would treat her well – a bum could be the most loving and attentive boyfriend she’s ever had! – but she’s probably not going to be attracted to them because there are other factors at play in these situations.
If you have money, you probably had to work for it. If you earned that much money working, you probably hold a powerful position in which many people depend on you. Women typically find the idea that a man being capable of performing under extreme amounts of pressure to be highly attractive.
Women also like men in leadership positions because it signifies that people follow them, trust them, and place value on in their opinions and ideas. A man like that is able to make other people feel valuable simply because they are with them. Confidence, essentially, is the possession of the ability to increase the value of others around you. That’s why guys who don’t have money but do demonstrate this quality are still able to attract beautiful, self-assured

[badgerbane]

Step 9: don't be a pussy.

Seriously dude, girls flock to confidence more than anything else. All you've shown me in your post is that you feel super victimised and, rather than do anything about it, you'd rather whine at the world and hope it changes. I have a friend who's short, skinny, ginger, has acne and a lisp. He sleeps with a different girl every WEEK, purely because he's confident. Nothing to do with 'looks' or 'language' (seriously, girls are people, there is no 'language') and status doesn't exist. Unless you're dating bill gates' daughter, status doesn't matter.

Look, do something with your hair, shower more, and use some decent lines. 'you dropped something' is a good one. When they ask what that dropped, say 'your standards' and introduce yourself. I still use that one regularly, works like a charm. After that, 'what's a smart, funny, gorgeous... guy like me doing without your number?' tends to get a laugh out of them, if nothing else.

Finally, go look up the 'law of averages' and 'green light theory'. These are sales techniques (I'm a salesman) but they apply to all walks of life. After all, dating is pure sales, you're just selling yourself rather than a product. If nobody's buying, change the product.

Have a good one kiddo.

[CrazynKinky]

I'm sorry she hurt you. Who ever she was.

I'm not going to give you shit for ranting your feelings or call you a cry baby. It's what it's here for. If you can't vent on here where can you. You are allowed to be hurt. You are allowed to be angry. You are allowed to say you quit. You'll never talk to a girl again. That they are a waste.

But you're 17 and it's going to sound like I'm talking down to you and I don't understand and I'm playing the age card. Guess what the amount of times I have said I'm done with men and they are a waste of time and shallow bullshit that happens and completely believed myself when I said it. Hey I have friends that have spent years single because they said they were done. But some day it stops hurting. Some day you don't realize it and you fall in love with someone or maybe some day you realize all girls aren't evil and shallow. At least I hope you do, because whether or not you want a relationship and just friends. They do have some upsides

[JesseBrooks]

WOOT an actual woman! Thanks for not being like your hateful younger counterparts. I thought shit was bad in my day, I feel soo bad for you younger guys OMG

[CrazynKinky]

@JesseBrooks Right. People mad get hurt and rage totally normal response. Let people feel how they feel. There's a reason people say misery loves company

[JesseBrooks]

True. I love to fuck with demoralizing people though. People that think another persons misery is funny are Trolls. And Trolls can die horribly, in screaming agony. LOL Im feeling especially dark today. I need to quit it >:)

[Unit1]

Impressive response!

[CrazynKinky]

@Unit1 Thank you.

[Mesonfielde]

Blah blah blah "I'm too ugly so nobody likes me, especially people with vaginas" - said literally every 17 year old with bad self-esteem ever

Newsflash, their "mental language" (lol) is "hard to crack" (LOL) because your sex-centric stereotypical thinking makes you unable to see women as people beyond possible fuckmaterial.

[myTake Owner]

women are complicated creatures because they do all the picking. If you don't believe me then it's because girls find you attractive, which they automatically go for without question.

[Mesonfielde]

No, they seem complicated because you can't past your stereotypical preconceptions.

[kaylaS91]

lol.
Of course, a couple paragraphs thrown together trying to justify why someone had a lack of success with women (*a handful of women, if not just one), while also shifting the blame for simply having standards that you failed to satisfy?
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[myTake Owner]

Women have such high standards. I'm sorry I'm not handsome enough to meet your bs standards.

[kaylaS91]

lol dude, you're 18. Focus on graduating highschool before bitching about 'women's bs standards'.

[GraveTruth]

He's right, kayla. It's a giant rat race to get women for ALL guys. And when the loyal guy wins the girl decides to ditch him for the prick, then ditch the prick for the smart guy, then ditch the smart (boring) guy for a thrill seeker, etc, etc, etc

[kaylaS91]

@GraveTruth *for all socially inept men

[JesseBrooks]

I've had nothing but terrible experiences with women as well. And when people say it changes as yo get older are generally true but Im 28 and get regularly shit on by them still. Im not ugly, im physically fit, im stable financially, but my shy awkward nature gets me creep stamped TONS of times by women my age. Dont get me wrong, not all women are like that, but the vast majority are. Just like like the vast majority of men are womanizer sex fiends (at least they're winning at it) My experience so far has been pretty toxic. Of all the so called real women who swear up and down they aren't like that, I've met 4. 4 women in my 28 years on earth. One being my mother, two, my grandmother. The other two will actually look past my shy awkwardness and actually speak to me. Maybe things will change In the mid 30's, but Im not getting my hopes up.

[BubbleBoy69]

" Just like like the vast majority of men are womanizer sex fiends (at least they're winning at it) My experience so far has been pretty toxic"

Strong trying to bash your gender so as to peacock yourself as different to get female attention.

[JesseBrooks]

@BubbleBoy69 LOL, where the holy fuck did that come from? Peacock myself? GTFO. I said those men are after ass, and they are getting it. They are winning their own game. My game of actually trying to have meaning relationships is essentially being poisoned by the fiends, hence the word toxic. It would be bashing if I only pointed out womens faults. Who made you an editor? So i can point out a specific set of faults, but only against ONE gender? Makes total sense bruh

[BubbleBoy69]

You just said and i quoted above that the VAST MAJORITY of men were sex fiends. Indicating they want sex only. And in your follow up response put yourself as a noble, knight looking for love and relationship but getting screwed over because other guys are poisoning dating for you.

I was made an editor because i can call out BS.

[JesseBrooks]

@BubbleBoy69 call out BS thats real then, VAST MAJORITY is not ALL. Im sick of chumps like you defending BS, while calling people like me peacocks or white knights or some stupid shit because we dislike men that are effectively poisoning the earth. You came across immediately as an advocate for this one sided 'BS' anyone who isn't afraid to admit that they aren't after nothing but ass are immediately peacocking, or white knights to people like you. You are either advocating that behavior, or are bent by someone unknown issue. So basically to you, any man that admits he's after more than ONS, and actually admit they're NOT a womanizer, are by YOUR definition 'peacocks, white knights, and fake' So decent men should just STFU and never speak up *slow clap* Im sure you have some official response to keep you on the high ground, and I'M A PEACOCK? what a mindfuck

[JesseBrooks]

I use broad-ish generalizations categorize large groups of society. Simply because its unpleasant to think about, doesn't invalidate the underlying truth.

[ginny_weasley]

I love using quotes from Dr. Cox on these bitch rants. Another quote from Dr. Cox, "people aren't chocolates. People are bastard covered bastards with bastard sauce." Welcome to the real world where no one is going to give you a cookie for existing. Women aren't the same. If you want an easy life, you will have a hard life because anything worth having won't be easy.
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[Library]

If you really don't care, then you've not bothered "using quotes from Dr. Cox on these bitch rants" and wrote the rest of the things that you wrote. Whether you like to admit or not, this seems like a coldhearted response to something that you take offense at... You know someone could give this same kind of response to your "I don't want kids" myTakes...

[ginny_weasley]

@Library I'm aware that I'm blunt and morbid. No need to tell me. I'm just saying he has the wrong mindset about relationships. Because they aren't easy and are not like the movies or sitcoms. I don't care if someone writes that they don't care on my childfree my takes. I've been told worse. It's a nice change of pace but I'm still going to write them

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

You're absolutely right kid. As a man, if you work HARD for years to look like a pro athlete, are blessed with the correct face and height, you *might* not be deemed creepy and get to the stage where she'll openly laugh at you for not having a dick the size that only 0.1% of the population has because she's been too stretched out (yes, even by your age) by how many guys she's fucked to feel anything smaller than a liter bottle.

As a woman, pretty much just don't be fat is all we expect, and most of them can't even manage it.

I haven't dated in over a year, nor plan to. I've dated every color, religion, creed, and race from a dozen countries and a half dozen US states. They're all the same everywhere. Women are bullshit.

Disregard females. Acquire currency.

[Pendy14]

Girls go for attractive men because in the beginning of meeting someone, the conversations are basically the same. You talk about birds and bees, try to impress each other with the same flirty jokes and just try to get to know someone. Since all these conversations are always the same, you go for the good looking guy instead of the ugly guy.
I have only liked an unattractive guy once in my life and that was because we were good friends already. I knew what kind of person he was and I liked him for it. At that point looks don't matter anymore.
So if you want girls to like you fast go work out, build your confidence. I've seen many guys who get a lot of girls even though they are not that good looking. They just know how to take care of themselves and have a lot of confidence.
If you are not willing to work on your looks, try to become friends with them and be prepared to be friendzoned over and over again.

[Sereiacleo7]

So the first thing you must do is instead of focusing on avoiding women you should should focusing on YOURSELF!!! If you are not happy with yourself nobody will want to be with you. You have to first adjust your thinking. You should find hobbies that you enjoy gain a skill and get fully amerced in it don't even focus of women now. They will eventually notice how great you are and appreciate you if you have are passionate in your life. This will increase your confidence and help develop your personality so that people will be drawn to you this way.
You are also so young and at 17 you are not fully developed your muscles will increase in time and you will eventually get better looking so instead of worrying about how you look take time and focus on bettering yourself as a person.

[MarkRet]

I'm a skinny, ugly guy, and I'm married. There are all kinds of women out there. Some are only interested in hunks, but others are interested in other kinds of guys. Some women are shy and have social anxiety issues. You're only 17. You have a whole lifetime ahead of you. There's no need to shut yourself off from half of the world.

[GraveTruth]

YEAH... you are 60yrs old. When you dated women were better.

[Jan1ssary_]

I got ur point with social status and language but nah, being handsome or hot isn't what chicks are looking for exactly. Ofcourse everyone will want someone who is good looking thats how they can satisfy themselves, but if u don't know how to talk with chicks looks don't matter at all.

I have friends who are ugly as fuck ! But they got chicks who are like models cuz they know how to communicate and they have good sense of humour. You should stop being a loser cunt and Behave like a man, if u want chicks just learn how to talk, compliment and flirt otherwise u won't get chicks even if u be a model and u will die virgin who's jerking off in the corner all day.

[myTake Owner]

I can never communicate with a women they will always either take my stuff out of context or ignore me. I don't have a sense of humor for women. I do for men because I like to joke about dick jokes and stuff but for girls it's hard to joke about anything unless they find you handsome.

[Pac-Man]

You are your biggest enemy.

If in your own mind you're a loser then you've already lost the battle. We can teach you how to talk to girls and looks and status can easily be overcome but, you've put up those barriers in your head and only you can go through them.

[myTake Owner]

Uh how am I my biggest enemy when girls are LITERALLY doing this to me.

[JohnDoeJr]

Don't dig yourself into this bitter isolated hole man.
You still have a lot of experience to rack up before you can make a generalization like that. I know you may feel bummed because some didn't find you attractive enough to date you or whatever, but I bet you have your own standards too. There are obese girls who are otherwise perfectly normal, yet a lot of guys will pass up on them because of their weight. So don't make this a gender issue. Everyone is allowed to have their own standards.
Honestly just forget about getting with girls and hangout with as many different people as you can. Dress nice, workout, and try being positive and talkative.
You're only hurting yourself for not talking with a whole group of people out of bitterness.