There is no "unhealthy body", just unhealthy people!

[DonyChicago]

I just read someone's myTake about body shaming and it was so true. But what I still don't understand is why people talk of "unhealthy bodies" when referring to skinny and overweight people and "healthy bodies" when referring to average people.

There are people out there who are naturally skinny and naturally overweight. I know a guy who can eat like two people but is very skinny. I also know a girl who eats less than me but is overweight. Can we say that those people have "unhealthy bodies" ? None of them suffers because of their weight.

On the other hand, there are many people who starve themselves, suffer from anorexia or bulimia , or people who never practise any exercise, eat lots of fat food and suffer from heart diseases but are at an "healthy weight".

So I think there is no "unhealthy body" or "unhealthy weight" but just unhealthy people. We can't juge the health status of a person by their weight.

[GingerBear]

This is dead wrong. No one is naturally overweight, nor is anyone naturally underweight. Too much and too little body fat both cause hormonal issues, which can take a long time to cause problems. You see more overweight people than underweight, so I'll focus on that for a moment.
Even if an overweight person has no current visible health problems, I assure you, their heart is being overworked, as is their pancreas. The cartilage in their joints is being worn down, and if they don't alter their lifestyle, they will require joint replacements. I work in aged care, and we see very few elderly obese people. That's because most of them pass away before they are eligible for aged care. Those that we do see, usually have at least 2 or 3 joints already replaced.
Being overweight is inherently unhealthy, as is being underweight.

So yes, there are unhealthy bodies. Being overweight or underweight is a sign that you're not healthy.

[DonyChicago]

"No one is naturally overweight, nor is anyone naturally underweight." : Wrong ! Just because you haven't seen an overweight person that is healthy doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And being overweight or underweight is not a sign that you are unhealthy as having an "healthy body" is not the sign that you are healthy.

[GingerBear]

I'm sorry, do you want to go find some medical proof of this? You won't find any, because it's not correct. Being overweight puts more strain on your joints and organs than is healthy, as I already explained. Even without the impending organ damage from overworking them, that puts being overweight squarely in the 'unhealthy' category.
The same goes for being underweight. Major hormone and organ problems arise from the sheer lack of body fat.

[DonyChicago]

Ok. But I think that if you had a brother who eats well and healthily, practise sport, is very active but is very thin or of you had a friend who does the same but is heavier maybe you won't be saying that. If you live healthily there's no reason you won't be healthy appart from genetical diseases.

[GingerBear]

There is a huge difference between thin and underweight. If someone eats well, and is taking care of themselves, they will not be underweight, without some sort of illness causing malnutrition.
I do know people who have been underweight and overweight. The worst thing they can do for themselves is fool themselves into thinking they're healthy when they're not.

[DonyChicago]

I know the difference between thin and underweight and the one I'm talking about is obviously ''underweight''. But healthy.

[sketchy]

"... Can we say that those people have "unhealthy bodies"? None of them suffers because of their weight."

Yes, actually - we *can* say that. The fact is, while right now it might not seem like they suffer because of their weight, they could very well be doing serious damage to their bodies, which will only become apparent later on (in the same way that I've met plenty of smokers who don't appear to suffer because of their habit).
Attractive, healthy looking bodies are attractive and healthy looking because they generally *are* healthy.

[DonyChicago]

"they could very well be doing serious damage to their bodies, which will only become apparent later on" only if they don't eat healthyly and don't exercise. If they do, they are not damaging their bodies. Their bodies are just built that way. And being overweight is different from being obese.

[DonyChicago]

And I did not upvoted you it is a mistake.

[FatherKnowsBest]

I think you need to define what the term "healthy body" really means. Some may base their judgement on what they feel is aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Others may feel a person who doesn't bathe regularly has an unhealthy body. My personal view of what is healthy and unhealthy is based on what is medically considered healthy.

There are plenty of reasons for maintaining a "healthy" body weight. Ask anyone who has had heart bypass surgery or suffered a heart attack because of an "unhealthy" body weight and you will hear a different story.

While your argument is centered on the "looks" issue rather than the health concerns, I agree that criticizing (Hello Mr. Trump!) people for their physical appearance is below the gutter level. No person should be humiliated for their physical disposition, but we owe it to ourselves to develop nutritious eating habits to remain healthy. So when you get to be as old as I am, you are not going to be a parasite on society because of a lifetime of poor health habits.

[DonyChicago]

"Healthy weight" varies. An healthy weight is the weight you have when you live healthily. Some people living healthily are fat, some are skinny.

[Marstalk]

Have you heard of BMI?

[DonyChicago]

@Marstalk Yes I know what is BMI. Many scientist today agree to the fact thatBMI is not a reliable thing to determine the health status of somebody. You can search online.

[Marstalk]

Yes I know it is not as accurate as other systems. But it is an easy way for doctors to evaluate a person's potential for bad health.

[DonyChicago]

@Marstalk Sure it is easy but it is not ACCURATE as you said yourself.

[Marstalk]

I actually said not as accurate.

[RachelBrigs]

Weight in and of itself isn't what's unhealthy.

Although you can argue that being very obese does put strain on the bones and the heart and that being very underweight means that your body will *literally* eat away at heart tissue for energy because there's no fat and little food intake, but the latter also includes diet...

But anyway, weight is simply an indicator of one aspect of health that effects many others. It isn't the most reliable indicator, but for the most part it is. Otherwise we would be attracted to very very thin people and vastly overweight people. We subconsciously understand that they aren't in health to produce and care for offspring.

Yes, there's overweight people out there who eat better and perform better than slim people. But that doesn't mean that we should overlook weight altogether as a facet of health.

[DonyChicago]

You are right. That is what I was trying to say.

[Red_Arrow]

"Obesity is a medical condition in which excess body fat has accumulated to the extent that it may have a negative effect on health, leading to reduced life expectancy and/or increased health problems." (Wikipedia)

Obesity is a condition of the body for whatever reason. The body that is obese is an "unhealthy body". In your comment to @NerdInDenial you stated, "And I have never disagreed to the fact that obese people are unhealthy." Obese people are people with an obese body and that body is an "unhealthy body", proving your premise wrong.

[DonyChicago]

Ok. Obese body are unhealthy.

[DonyChicago]

But If you had understood what I wrot you would have known that I talked only about skinny and overweight people who many people consider unhealthy just because they are skinny and overweight, while they consider people with a "normal" weight healthy just because they are in a "normal" weight. So maybe the title of myTake is not appropriate or accurate considering what I wrote but if you talk of obesity then, you are off topic.

[Red_Arrow]

Your topic is "There is no "unhealthy body", just unhealthy people!" And obesity is an unhealthy body and therefor very much on topic.

You responded to @Dandeus with '"Excess weight puts you at increased risk of developing diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.'' I agree. But it is not the weight itself that causes that. It is the excess fat that you have in your body.' That is close to saying "Drinking alcohol puts you at risk for getting drunk, and if drunk you may get in an accident if driving and kill someone. But it is not the alcohol that causes that. It is the being drunk." Some people may eat properly and exercise, but still be overweight. The extra weight is not the result of breathing heavy air, it is bone structure, fat, and many other possibilities. But each of these puts a strain on the bodies systems, such as the heart. There is too much body for the cardiac system to care for and that extra weight (from whatever source) can strain the body into cardiac disease.

[DonyChicago]

Drinkking alcohol is not something somebody can be born with. Having "extra" weight is something people have in their genes. So the comparison is non sense.

[Red_Arrow]

Two things - First, It is questionable that weight is "in your genes". It is believed that genetics may predispose a person to be overweight, but it does not force it to happen. But usually, heavy parents create an environment (lots of food, little exercise, etc. that leads the children to grow up overweight, and often remain that way. In any case, regardless of whether genes are involved, it does not change the fact that the weight can be unhealthy.

Second, it has been proven that a person can be predisposed to being an alcoholic due to genetics, just as they may predispose a weight problem.

So they actually compare quite well. And the main point is that the conditions are unhealthy, so regardless of the cause, they make complete sense to compare.

[DonyChicago]

"They make complete sense to compare" : no, they don't. Assuming someone can be predisposed to be alcoholic. He won't become an alcoholic if he doesn't drink alcohol. Drinking alcohol is not essential to live. Eating is. And if you are predisposed to be overweight, you can eat healthily and exercise, you will be overweight. Because you just have to eat. So I repeat the comparison is non sense. Being healthy has a lot to do with the way you live. If you eat healthily and exercise, wether skinny or overweight, nobody has the right to say that you are not healthy because of your weight. Only a physician has that right after examinig you. And if your physician soesn't say anything because he found nothing wrong in your body due to your weight, then it is not a problem.

[Red_Arrow]

I am genetically predisposed to be an alcoholic, yet I drink without becoming an alcoholic because I do not over indulge. People who are predisposed to be overweight who watch what they eat and exercise properly, do not get overweight. The extra weight comes from what you eat, not out of the air. Yes, you have to eat. But you do not have to eat so much. Lots of women who realize they are overweight, diet and exercise and lose the extra weight. You do not have to always be overweight.

As for the doctor not saying you are overweight (if you are), many doctors will tell you, while many just are tired of fighting that battle with overweight people, and if the patient does not ask about it, they say nothing.

You have been on this rant with people here for over two weeks. Just about everybody else accepts that being overweight puts stresses on the body that are unhealthy, but you are hung up on arguing against both medical and common sense knowledge.

[DonyChicago]

"Aand if the patient does not ask about it, they say nothing" : because there is nothing wrong.
"But you are hung up on arguing against both medical and common sense knowledge". Medical knowledge : Your medical demonstrations does not prove that what I said is wrong. Common sense : "common sense" is not something we should consider to tell that somebody is unhealthy.
If I argue a lot on this topic it is because I am not talking of some knowledge or common sense or whatever. I'm talking about what I have experienced. I'm talking about people I know who have been self conscious for years because of their weight while being healthy. My friend who is overweight is now happy because she doesn't care about her weight anymore. She live healthily and is happy with her body. She was feeling bad before. She even starved herself to slim down. She eats very little but she is heavy. How can you explain that? It is just how she is. She has no problem and nobody should tell her that she has a...

[DonyChicago]

... problem due to her weight.

[Red_Arrow]

I explained doctors not saying anything and it was not because they were not unhealthy. "Medical knowledge : Your medical demonstrations does not prove that what I said is wrong." What medical "demonstrations"? I just referenced well proven medical facts under the blanket term medical knowledge,

"My friend who is overweight is now happy because she doesn't care about her weight anymore." And when she gets sick or has a heart attack because she feels good about not caring about her weight, will you still hold her up as an example? I am going to follow the example of others on here and just stop trying to explain things to you.

[DonyChicago]

"And when she gets sick or has a heart attack" : well, I just have to wait when she'll get a heart attack.

[RexCatholicissimus]

People don't really body shame chicks or dudes who are a bit porky or have some paunch (at least, they don't get told they're "unhealthy") I think when people generally talk about "body shaming" they're talking about the "people" that risk cardiac arrest from trying to climb a flight of stairs. Just imagine what their poor pancreas is going through.

THAT is clearly unhealthy and THOSE are the kinds of people who get "shamed." But it's not shaming, people aren't having a go at fat people for being fat, it's also attached to the stigma of "can we stop glorifying certain, unhealthy obesity" please. Also, I don't think underlying factors and exceptions to the rule should really be counted when the majority amount of people who get to these abnormal weights will probably end up having some downsides to their size.

[DonyChicago]

You talking of obese people. I didn't mention it.

[Anonymous]

No one is 'naturally fat' unless they have a metabolic disorder and that is a tiny, tiny percentage of people. People are fat because they eat the wrong sort of food and/or too much and don't get enough exercise. It is true some people are thicker set than others but healthy people aren't naturally fat. That's just not true.

People vary greatly, some of us can handle the modern diet with so much sugar, starch, grain, alcohol and fat but many people can't. Eat fruit, vegetables and a little meat and be active and you won't be fat.

[DonyChicago]

"No one is 'naturally fat' " : False ! Some persons are naturally fat just like some persons are naturaly skinny. Not everyone is fat because they eat wrong. You probably live in a society where fatty food is sold everywhere. I live in a society where there are people who passcan spend an entire day without eating. That is why you believe that being fat means eating too much. I know some persons who eat little but are fat. It is the way they are.

[DonyChicago]

" I live in a society where there are people who can spend an entire day without eating." : sorry.

[Opinion Owner]

Like I said, while there are a tiny number of people who have a glandular malfunction most people are fat not so much because they eat too much as because they eat food their body is not adapted to deal with very well. If you are poor and can only afford this kind of food then keeping thin will be a great struggle that's true.

It's not fat which is the main culprit it's starch, particularly grain and sugar. This is as you say, the food of the poor. You have to find the foods your body is adapted to eat (if you can afford them) nearly all fat people would be not be fat if they would do this and be more active.

[DonyChicago]

You did not understand what I said. I didn't said fatty food are for poor people. I said I live i a society where unealthy food are expensive so it is not common to see people eating unhealthily. And I know overweight people who eat healthily and just a little amount of food.

[Anonymous]

what i dont understand is, why the hell is the media promoting this shit? like it just seems like a bunch of girls that got rejected by guys and are trying ways to make other people validate them. that shows weakness. and by the way, this just shows how girls care about looks more than guys. cuz i dont see fat guys showing half naked pics of themselves asking people to approve. this is all drama that is created cuz everyone is living in a first world country. Try living in fking Eritrea or goddamn kenya where they struggle for survival. meanwhile, some girls are getting depressed cuz they are fat and lazy to do something about it and would want the rest of the world to make them feel better.

[DonyChicago]

That is not the point. You haven't understood anything.

[DonyChicago]

And by the way I am slim and fit. Just for precision.

[Opinion Owner]

yeah im not attacking you. im saying that why are there gross pictures of naked fat women all over my online feeds? Like, if you are "unhealthy" or what ever (sugar coated to mean "fat"), why are you asking other people to fking parade you? Yeah, when you look fat, it means you body stored access food that was consumed. yes pepole are different. so everyone should know what their body is and isn't of capable of. If you want to eat as much as you wanted but also stay "skinny", you need genes for that. If you don't have the genes for it, dont eat as much. otherwise, you will be fat. if you like being fat, great. just don't expect other people to hail you as doing something "brave" by posting ur fat pic online. it is not "brave" its attention seeking. Body shamers are one thing, being attention whore is another. (not caling you out OP i promise).

[DonyChicago]

Very good point. Sorry I didn't understand it that way at first. Thank you.

[RationalMale]

Uh, yeah. There are unhealthy bodies.

For instance, when someone is medically underweight, their body can literally start consuming itself. Muscle tissue, broken down. Bones, suffering osteoporosis because the body is not getting enough calcium. Nervous systems that do not function as well, injuries that happen easier and take longer to heal...

And when someone is obese--their risk of cancer, heart disease, and stroke skyrocket. They also commonly destroy their own knees, because while your knees might be perfectly well suited to carry 130 pounds, a 200 pound burden wears them out quickly. Your heart also suffers, as it must pump blood through literally dozens of miles more blood vessels due to the extra fat a person carries.

[DonyChicago]

"For instance, when someone is medically underweight, their body can literally start consuming itself. Muscle tissue, broken down. Bones, suffering osteoporosis because the body is not getting enough calcium. Nervous systems that do not function as well, injuries that happen easier and take longer to heal..." ONLY if that person doesn't eat sufficiently. Being underweight doesn't necessarily mean that you don't eat enough.
And I talked of overwight people, not obese people !

[RationalMale]

i did say 'can' about underweight people, as i realize thar's not going to happen to every one.

[Illusive_Man]

"naturally skinny and naturally overweight"
*natural doesn't necessarily means "good" .
You can naturally have an abnormally large head but that just means you have an abnormally large head.

The same way with bodies.
Some people have higher metabolisms. Some people have slower metabolisms.

The optimal stays the same regardless of what you have.
Strive for the optimal.

[DonyChicago]

"You can naturally have an abnormally large head but that just means you have an abnormally large head". Having an abnormally large head does not necessarily mean you have something wrong in your head or as people would say an "unhealthy" head. The same way with bodies.

[Illusive_Man]

Not necessarily but it does mean you'll be in a higher risk group for certain ailments or disorders.

[DonyChicago]

Like?

[DonyChicago]

And being in a "higher risk group" does not mean you are unhealthy. If I were born with a big head would I be unhealthy just because my head is naturally big? If I have no illness related to that (which is possible) then I am not unhealthy because of my head. It is exactely the same thing with body. If I were born to be skinny no matter how much I eat and I have no illness related to that because I eat healthily, then people don't have the right to say that I have an unhealthy body because of that. The same goes with naturally overweight people.

[Illusive_Man]

Go Google "Macrocephaly".
Large heads , like being fat or skinny is symptom. The body is trying to say something.

[DonyChicago]

Wikipedia : "Macrocephaly may be pathologic, but many people with an unusually large head and large skull are healthy."

[Illusive_Man]

So you are selectively gonna only identify yourself with those who are then.
That's a subconscious thought you're making.

[DonyChicago]

Identify myself? What are you talking about?

[NerdInDenial]

Actually, you can. Generally, people who are overweight and super skinny are not healthy. Are there exceptions? Yes, there are. Being overweight or having a large amount of mass and not muscles mass makes a person not look healthy. In the military, people who are overweight do not look professional in their uniform. They look sloppy.

[DonyChicago]

If a person does not "look healthy" it doesn't necessary mean they are not healthy. If a person does "look healthy" it doesn't necessary mean they are healthy. That is what I was trying to say. The fact that there are exceptions as you said yourself means that we should not judge a person health status by their weight. It is not the fact to be skinny or overweight that makes somebody unhealthy. It is the way that person lives and eat. There are many people who eat unhealthily who "look healthy" as there are many people who live healthily who "look unhealthy".

[NerdInDenial]

Even if there are exceptions, it doesn't mean that it still not a good general standard to use. Overall, people who look fat are fat because of their lifestyle and are generally unhealthy. Looks actually have shown the health of the genes of people. Eventually those people who are "skinny" who eat whatever they want will become fat becomes metabolism slows down.

[DonyChicago]

As I said " It is not the fact to be skinny or overweight that makes somebody unhealthy. It is the way that person lives and eat".

[DonyChicago]

And as I also said : "There are many people who eat unhealthily who "look healthy"".

[NerdInDenial]

If these bigger people were just eating healthy foods, how did they get that big?

[DonyChicago]

There are people who are naturally skinny. You will also ask : "If these skinnier people were just eating healthily, how did they get that skinny?" and I'll answer it is the way they are. People are born differently.

[NerdInDenial]

Even those skinnier people will eventually get fat if they eat unhealthy for decades. Having a lot weight is not good for the body. It's similar to saying some people can have decent health while smoking but generally, most people suffer from smoking eventually. These people who are obese to morbidly obese are not healthy.

[DonyChicago]

Smoking and being skinny cannot being compared. Being skinny is from genetic. Being a smoker is not. And I have never disagreed to the fact that obese people are unhealthy. (Sorry for the language I am French speaker).

[Dandeus]

"We can't judge the health status of a person by their weight."

Excess weight puts you at increased risk of developing diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. Risk factors aside, obesity directly causes excess wear and tear on your heart function, your joints (knees, ankles, back), limits your breathing capacity (which often becomes sleep apnea), decreases your quality of sleep, damages blood vessels (which leads to high blood pressure over time).

[DonyChicago]

I agree. But did I talk of obesity? No.
"Excess weight puts you at increased risk of developing diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.'' I agree. But it is not the weight itself that causes that. It is the excess fat that you have in your body. Being overweight does not necessary mean you have too much fat in your body. Some people are just made like that just like some people are naturally skinny no matter how much or how often they eat.

[Dandeus]

I quoted you.

"We can't judge the health status of a person by their weight."

Which is false. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention obesity, because the central premise of your argument includes obesity whether you discuss it or not.

You cannot look at a person in a healthy weight range and diagnose all of their potential ills, nor can you look at a person and rule out health issues that can stem from multiple conditions beyond excess weight. I cannot look at a person in the ideal weight for their body and say "your heart is healthy" because they might have some congenital defect, some disease that damaged their arteries, etc... but what I *can* say is "your heart isn't suffering any issues as a result of your weight."

[Dandeus]

And yes, weight does cause damage in its own right. The force of gravity on an overweight body accelerates damage to the cardiovascular system because it requires more oxygen to move the extra weight. Over time, that weight damages arteries (by stretching them) in the areas where fat is collected which exacerbates high blood pressure.

On top of that, extra weight inhibits breathing by creating pressure on the rib cage, which further stresses the heart (and reduces oxygen to the brain). Extra weight damages joints, which inhibits an active lifestyle over time, making weight loss even more difficult.

Being only slightly overweight means the effects of extra weight are minimal, but it does affect you. In fact, weight is a large contributing factor in why tall people don't live as long as short people, even if they're otherwise healthy.

[DonyChicago]

What is strange in your agumentation is that you talk about excess weight only. Does it mean that you agree that there are people who are naturally underweight and healthy? If you agree with that then you should agree that there are people who are naturally overweight and healthy. If you don't, then you may have not met many different kinds of people in your life.

[DonyChicago]

You said "Excess weight puts you at increased risk of developing diabetes, high blood pressure, etc". Putting you at an increase risk of something does not make you an unhealthy person. If somebody walks too much under the sun it puts them at an increased risk of developping skin cancer but would you say that that person is "unhealthy" ? That's why I said we can't judge somebody health status by their weight. I'm tired of people saying "You are healthy" to somebody who seems to have a "normal" weight just because that person seems to have a "normal" weight. Health does not depends on the body frame. I am even more tired of people saying "You are unhealthy" to somebody who is skinny just because that person is skinny, or to somebody who is overweight just because that person is overweight. If making a diagnosis was so simple what is the utility to study medecine?

[DonyChicago]

"I cannot look at a person in the ideal weight for their body and say "your heart is healthy" because they might have some congenital defect, some disease that damaged their arteries, etc"
I agree with that and it is exactely what I said in myTake. People just look at others and say that they are healthy assuming they are, as you said, "in the ideal weight" for their body. Being healthy is not just a matter of weight. I you had understood myTake then you would have know that what you said is exactely what I meant.

[Dandeus]

You're selectively misquoting what I said. I said that can't look at a person in a normal weight range and tell that they are healthy, but you CAN tell that if they are unhealthy, their weight is not the cause.

The reverse is not true. If you're overweight (or underweight) you ARE unhealthy because weight has a direct effect on your health. And again, I'm not talking about someone who is borderline overweight that a doctor is going to tell to keep an eye on their weight. The doctor says this because they don't want the patient to progress to the point where the weight actually starts causing damage.

If you're noticeably overweight, your weight is damaging your body on a daily basis. That's unhealthy. Can the damage be reversed? Yes, some of it can. Can you lose the weight before the damage becomes severe and impairing? Yes. That doesn't mean that being overweight is not inherently unhealthy.

[DonyChicago]

Ok. That's your point. But when you say " If you're overweight (or underweight) you ARE unhealthy because weight has a direct effect on your health" I am not convinced at all. If you talk about obese people then I agree. And you said yourself that you are not talking abot somebody who is borderline overweight, but I do talk about those people also.

[takumii]

Wow, I thought it was impossible to write a wall of text and still make 0 sense. Apparantly you proved me wrong.

Body belongs to people, if people are unhealthy, intuitively their bodies are unhealthy.

[Vakarian]

Thank you for saving me time and effort. I agree.

[ThisDudeHere]

I'm with @Vakarian , thanks @takumii - you did everyone a solid.

[DonyChicago]

"intuitively" is not a medical term.

[Lolomon]

Your right, new studies show that being fit or too lean causes a lot stress on our bodies which eventually is hazardous. Women today want to be fit and are lean, but this is bad for women because we are supposed to have at least 20 percent body fat. After all baby bearing hip , a little stomach and boos are what helps us bare children, but 1 in 5 women today have fertility problems because we are too lean or too big.

[RachelBrigs]

Do you live in the US? if so, being "too lean" isn't a common problem at all. Like... at... all. there's far more overweight people. Having very low body fat isn't good, but you go so far as to say being fit is bad. That's not the truth at all.

there's absolutely *nothing* medically wrong with being fit and or slim.

[homper87]

I'm only 17% body fat and am still very healthy. I just got a full blood-test panel done and everything came out perfect, especially hormones. So I don't know where you got your information from. It's anything under 16% body fat that starts causing problems.

[Lolomon]

Well, I love in America and I also know that people with fertility problems are those who we physically look at And think healthy, I'd advise you to talk to a doctor who is up to date with research. it's my job to knows this. You don't gotta believe it but that's on you.

[ShaeNielson]

Yea, lean and fit people are definitely the problem, they are the ones who need to rethink their life choices.

[Lolomon]

@ShaeNielson facts don't care about your sarcasm

[ShaeNielson]

Facts would tell your being very overweight and eating wrong, is more unhealthy than being a bit too fit.

[Lolomon]

@ShaeNielson facts from a few years ago get with the new facts

[ShaeNielson]

Sure, you go argue that fit is worse than fat. Real Murican' mentality, if you don't already live there, you should move.

[Lolomon]

@ShaeNielson lol, your 17 and still in school your comprehension skills should be better. have a nice day.

[ShaeNielson]

It's even more sad that you're 25 and have a completely fucked up way to look at the world. I think you're just making excuses, so you can go become obese and blame the world for your misery. Have a nice life.

[skeptic007]

lol of course there's no such thing as unhealthy bodies lol you're trolling

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[DonyChicago]

First of all I did not talk about obese people. You have not understood anything. What I said is you can't just say that somebody is unhealthy because that person is skinny or overweight. There are skinny and overweight people who live more healthily than people with "healthy weight". And there are people with "healthy weight" who starve themselves or eat unhealthily. That is what I said. Health is not a matter of weight. Sure it can be an indicator but it doesn't determine who is healthy and who is not.

[skeptic007]

I understand what you're saying but visible proof is better than talk, usually what I say too be fact is visible too the eye, so no one can deny what I say. I've been watching ancient aliens for a few days, and 80% maybe more is assumptions, they have no proof for what there saying, they look through history and read about what people saw and said, and instead of taking there word for it, they say no people of the past where stupid and wrong, they believe they are (SMARTER) than the people that where actually there and saw it, and than they put there own interpretation on it, too make it what they want it too be, you're doing the same thing you're posting a group of healthy looking, and skinny women, than putting you're interpretation on it, and what is considered healthy, like I said visible proof is better than words

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[DonyChicago]

Ok. I put that picture just because I could not post a myTake without picture. Excuse me but you talked too much and you even talked about aliens. I am French speaker so it is not easy for me to get the sense of your comment. Can you say clearly and directly what you want to say? And you talked about visible proof. Sorry, but the health status of somebody is not something "visible".

[TheSpartan]

You totally can judge the health of a person based on their weight. Fat people cannot be healthy.

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[DonyChicago]

Fat people can be healthy. I'm talking of obese people. But people who are heavier but eat healthily and exercise. They are fat because it is the way they are. Just like some people are skinny because it is the way they are.

[TheSpartan]

No one is just "naturally fat". That's totally outrageous.

[DonyChicago]

If you agree people can be naturally skinny, why can't you agree some people can be naturally fat? You probably live in a society where people eat too much and much fatty food. In my society it is the opposite. Many people can't eat as much as they want and they prefer natural and healthy food because it is cheaper. They plant farm and eat the products of it. However there are people I know who are overweight. Do they eat too much? Certainly not. They even eat less than others because they want to slim down. Do they eat unhealthily? No. I even know a girl who exercise a lot. But they remain heavier. It is just the way they are.

[DonyChicago]

i had a friend who was naturally overweight. I could eat twice what she ate. She was feeling self conscious about her body. The only time she slimmed down was when she was very sick. But as soon as she regained health, she immedialtly put on weight. Not because she was eating too much, but just because it was her healthy body. She learnt to accept it and know she is happier with her body.

[DonyChicago]

'' Now she is happier'', sorry.

[TheSpartan]

You just caluclate how many calories you need to eat a day, and that's what you eat. And you won't gain weight. That's what's natural.

[DonyChicago]

Calculating what you eat is not natural.

[TheSpartan]

Anything humans do in general is natural, because we are an extension of nature,

[DonyChicago]

''Anything humans do in general is natural, because we are an extension of nature''
Won't discuss of that. But I think you are wrong. There are so many things we do that are not natural. The proof is we are destroying the nature everyday.

[TheSpartan]

You can't destroy an idea. Everything nature produces is part of nature--inlcuding us. Thus, there is nothing we can do that is unnattural--by definition.

Nature isn't being detroyed; parts of it are just converted for our use.

[DonyChicago]

OK. Nothing to add. But I still don't agree.

[Anonymous]

There is a difference between being somewhat overweight and being obese. There is also a limit where excess fat becomes unhealthy. I think we should promote healthy life styles. People who are eating too much should be made aware that this is not good. There is nothing wring with that.

[DonyChicago]

I didnn't mention obese people.

[ShaeNielson]

www.davidmcelroy.org/.../Fat-woman.jpg
Oh okay, good to know.

[DonyChicago]

I didn't talk of obese people. What I said i that you can't say that just because omebody is skinny or overweight they are unhealthy. There are healthy skinny and overweight people who eat healthyly and exercise too.

[ShaeNielson]

If you're actually healthy, you won't be under- or overweight, part of being healthy is having a healthy body. Only a very few people can't actually help having unhealthy bodies.

[glockenspiel]

I agree that we can't judge a person's health by their weight (I know "fat" people who run marathons) but I think those are still unhealthy "bodies".

[Anonymous]

I'm not a doctor and neither are you. Those people could be unhealthy, but haven't shown any symptoms. Maybe their arteries are clogged or they are anemic. Just because you can't see the illness doesn't mean it's not there.

[DonyChicago]

"Just because you can't see the illness doesn't mean it's not there." : Do you see the illness of those that are said to have "healthy bodies" ? No !

[Opinion Owner]

That's my point. They could still have an illness, but not be showing symptoms. Some illnesses take awhile or are easily mistaken for being something trivial. I used to feel tired all the time and had trouble sleeping and I would just assume I wasn't getting enough sleep or drinking too much caffeine. But it turned out as I went to the doctor that I have Lupus. I couldn't see the illness until bigger symptoms started to show up, but the illness was still there.

[Anonymous]

I would definitely argue that there are unhealthy bodies. I mean while it's true that just because a persons skinny doesn't mean they're healthy but generally a person who's overweight/obese is usually unhealthy.

[DonyChicago]

First of all, I didn't talk of obese people.
And if you say an overweight person is "generally" unhealthy then you agree that an overweight person can be healthy. That is exactly what I was trying to say. Don't judge the health status of somebody just looking at them : they can be overweight, skinny but reamin healthy.

[DonyChicago]

"Remain healthy", sorry.

[Anonymous]

Overweight people can be in better shape than average or lower weight people, but it's still not good to be overweight.