The Far Left Liberal/Socialist Movement Is Shockingly Close to the Nazi Party

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

Even more so than the Neo-Nazis.

But incredibly, They love comparing others they disagree with (Or who disagrees with them) as modern nazis.

5. Both of their Political beliefs and goals are scarily alike.

All the core beliefs of the modern liberal agenda like Nationalization of business, forced profit sharing, price caps and control, abolishing all income not earned directly from work, free College educating that focuses on 'civic affairs', censorship against media that doesn't promote their specific point of view, And the common interest before the individual interest were all originally core beliefs of the Nazi political agenda.

They also both push for a strong centralized government to enforce their will and make all their goals come true. Mainly through economic coercion, social manipulation, and force if need be.

Very evident in the left's attempts to create biased laws that govern and police people's thoughts and preferences(But only a select group of people).

And just like the Nazis, The left support extreme infringements on personal liberties, massive taxation and regulations, and even complete government takeovers of entire industries.

Their ultimate goal is to create a class of dependent people totally subservient to the almighty state, Make no mistake about it.

4. They both gained all their support through relentless propaganda/lies and social engineering on the weak and easily influenced.

Literally the most popular argument (and pretty much only one) the far left have.

3. The Nazis were totally fanatical and uncompromising in their beliefs..............

Just like the social justice warriors.

In fact, The Nazi party was willing to condone a lot of atrocities, total loss of individualism and personal freedom, Even the total collapse of the economy and society. All in the name of 'social' justice................Just like the modern SJW.

2. They believe in creating an ultimate utopia and see themselves as the most enlightened and superior beings that are unfortunately surrounded by ignorant inferiors that keep holding them back from attaining their true destiny.

..................Just like those damn Nazis.

And while the Nazi's deemed Jewes, Homosexuals, and gypsies inferior and unfit for their new world order..............The extreme left deem white people so.

Especially straight white guys.........

Which is very ironic is a sad and pathetic sorta way, Since the vast majority of these nutjobs are white themselves.

In fact, The only reason these left wing zealots haven't tried to round up all the white people they consider inferior and detrimental to the new 'perfect' society they are trying to create is because they would get their asses kicked from one coast to the other if they tried.

1. Hitler was a very weak, dorky looking f*ck with a messiah complex and an uncanny ability to get his loyal herd of followers/sheep to buy into anything he said......

........Just like

And before you start thinking modern socialism is better because it's Liberal socialism, Adolf Hitler was a Socialist Liberal too.

[musicbrain5]

Fascism (including Nazism) falls on the far, far right wing of the political spectrum. It's a far right totalitarian system of government, whereas communism and socialism are far left totalitarian ideologies. But yeah, the propoganda tactics are much the same.

[Homebakedcookies]

It's all the same ffs.

[cth96190]

Fascism and National Socialism are quite different ideologies. Aside from being nationalistic and authoritarian, they have little in common.

[musicbrain5]

@Homebakedcookies @cth96190

Well I'm certainly not claiming to be any kind of expert on political ideologies here. Next time just tell me you think I'm stupid.

[SüßeJäger]

Actually if you look at exactly what they believe, Nazis are not right wing at all. The only way I know how they differ is the Nazis did allow people to own property on paper. Everything else was govt controlled from top to bottom. A business might be owned by an individual on paper but not in practicality. I've always said Nazis are far, far left maybe just a hair to the right of commies but still ultra left. The only reason people think they're ultra right is cuz that what the media and historians say so every one assumes they are. Study what they believe, they're not at all. The far right would basically be no government and people ruling themselves. Nazism is far from no govt. They were a highly controlling govt in all aspects of life. More govt = left wing. Less govt = right wing. That the definitions, there's no disputing it.

[musicbrain5]

@SüßeJäger I'm wrong, I admit it. This is exactly why I try my hardest to stay away from political discussions on this website, but once in a while I get sucked back in because I'm an idiot. I try to avoid feminism and gun discussions as well, simply because I'm not on par with anyone else here.

[cth96190]

Do not be so hard on yourself. All your life the leftard media has told you that the NSDAP was a radical right-wing organisation.
This, of course, is a lie, but you were not to know that.

[musicbrain5]

@cth96190 I really don't care for the use of the word "leftard", but whatever. It's 2 AM and I need to go to sleep and get away from all the really heated conversations I've been involved in for the past hour or so.

I should really take a break from this place entirely.

[SüßeJäger]

I'm not trying to be rude or mean. I don't think you're dumb, I like you. I'm trying to educate you on the truth. Like he said and I did too, the media and historians have said for so long Nazis are right that every one believes it but it's not true. The main hallmark of a left wing person or govt is they want bigger, more powerful govts. Dictatorships like communism and Nazism are as far left as you can get whereas the main hallmark of a right wing person or govt is smaller, less powerful goats. The farthest right you can get is no govt at all. Just think about it, it's simple and makes sense. The left needs Nazis to be right wing cuz it's the only thing they have to point at to accuse right wing people of being. It's simply not true. All you have to do is define the words and look at the beliefs of Nazism and you got it.

[Homebakedcookies]

Hold on a second. Are you saying you're wrong because you looked it up or because you're tired and don't have the energy to debate?

[Homebakedcookies]

@SüßeJäger Hold up SüßeJäger. If you let it all out like that people will think you're crazy. I know exactly what you're talking about of course, but you can't just open pandoras box infront of people faces like that. It'll just scare them away.

[SüßeJäger]

@Homebakedcookies which part?

[musicbrain5]

@SüßeJäger Thanks but to be honest I don't know what the truth is anymore. I'm just going to come right out and say that many of my views are left wing. Not on an extremist level, but still on the left. I don't like to tell people on here about that though as it has never turned out well. I leave that information out on purpose now.

@Homebakedcookies: It's because I felt like I had to say it in order to back down from this conversation. Obviously it didn't work. I have many talents but debating isn't one of them unless it's something I'm passionate about, like music for example.

[Homebakedcookies]

I'm pretty sure debating isn't a passion for any of us. We don't even like politics. Most of us just care a huge deal about the world. And we get really angry when we see how people, countries and cultures get destroyed just because so many people are gullible and easy to trick.

[somebodysaycheese]

Hitler was a socialist communist.

[cth96190]

@somebodysaycheese
That statement is ignorant beyond comprehension.
Hitler was a National Socialist, which is a very different ideology to a Marxist communist.

[somebodysaycheese]

@cth96190 lol, no your ignorant lol he ran as a socialist communist, as in it happened. Lol are you German? I am you can ask mu dead great uncles and grandmother who fought in the war. Im sure a lot of your American books dont tell the truth. Or that hitler out of his own mouth saidemocracy only benefits the rich not the poor.

[musicbrain5]

@Homebakedcookies I don't like people who don't know where they stand politically. They are the ones who get roped into supporting things they don't understand by trendy buzzwords and empty promises. They are as dangerous as people who don't care at all, like people who don't vote. Look at the US for example - how do you think Shillary got so far?

[ConsultantIsBack]

Came here to say that lol

[cth96190]

@somebodysaycheese
I have read Mein Kampf and the Table Talks, among many other things.
I have also been a National Socialist for the past 43 years. I know that which of I speak.

[somebodysaycheese]

@cth96190 see but fact is he was a socialist lol. Their is no debating that its a fact.

[cth96190]

@somebodysaycheese
You appear to not understand the difference between a National Socialist and the various versions of the Marxist socialist. They are a world apart.

[FakeName123]

@SüßeJäger

It is called national-socialism for a reason.

@musicbrain5

You are almost correct. The far right and far left wing is literally the same in its totalitarian approach. The only difference is who they use as a scapegoat to justify their agenda and means (dem jews or dem white males, whatever you like)

[Waffles731]

Once again bullshit.

[Waffles731]

"1. Hitler was a very weak, dorky looking f*ck with a messiah complex and an uncanny ability to get his loyal herd of followers/sheep to buy into anything he said..."
That sounds a hell of a lot more like trump if you ask me

[gotc147]

Nobody asked you.

[Waffles731]

@gotc147
Well gee, this mytake writer used a political scale thats incorrect.
And yeah, that does sound like donald trump

[jacquesvol]

@Waffles731
Indeed, Trump sounds a hell of a lot more like Hitler

[Waffles731]

@jacquesvol
Sanders is the only decent candidate

[Anonymous]

(PART 1) A pretty much a bullshit MyTake. I'll break down this point by point.
First lets get to this awfully poorly layed out left to right spectrum
cf.girlsaskguys.com/.../...a-ad31-8359cc9d29d0.jpg

This illustration is more accurate
mananews.co.nz/.../...t_political_spectrum_011.jpg

However, like most spectrum diagram its very simplified. In reality, along the lines this inclued from left to right
LEFT
* Communists
*Anarchist
* Socialists
*progressives
*anti-capitalists
*anti-imperialists
*democratic socialists
*green politics (environmentalist, tree huggers etc)
*left-libertarians
*social democrats
*social liberals

RIGHT
*Conservatives
*monarchists
*nationalists
neoconservatives
*neoliberals
*reactionaries
*imperialists
*right-libertarians
*social authoritarians
religious fundamentalists
*traditionalists

(5)
In this point, about economic policies. A lot of vague points made in hoping to make a correlation somehow.
- Buisnesses were not nationalised but rather just key industries. Which by the way are practiced by many regardless of political or economic system of todays countries... In fact, private buisnesses flourisheed in Nazi Germany. Companies like Volswaggen, Hugo Boss etc. There were privatization in the 30's, even during the rebuilding of German economy.
- Price controls happened frequently, especially back in those eras where Western countries are hit by the Great Depression and after the WW1.
- Free education was already established in Germany long before, under the Weimar Constitution... Well so what Nazi kept that? Indeed many were focused on 'civil affair', duh the whole essense of nazi reform on the university was to promote domestic nazi ideologies. From the book ''Education in Nazi Germany'', students were against left wing and also anti democracy.
-Centralized government =/= Totaliarianism. First of all, no shit Nazi would be centralized. It's a dictatorship... I agree Nazi achieved control through social manipulation and force but not on economic coercion. More of a economic appeasement. Nazi gained support from their work on improving the economy.

Hmmm massive taxation? Yep thats true, big tax to its citizen TO FUND FOR WAR. From one Historian Gotz Aly, in Nazi Germany ''wartime tax of 50% on all wages, but it also promptly excluded all but the wealthiest Germans''.. little to no tax to the wealthiest? SOUNDS LIKE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN!

[Opinion Owner]

(PART 2)
Again in the section. All you did was point out vague things about economy and generalized policies in hoping to say liberals and Nazi share the same thing.

4) ''They both gained all their support through relentless propaganda/lies and social engineering on the weak and easily influenced''

As I said, Nazi did not gained 'all' their support through relentless propaganda/lies and social engineering though thats also massive factor in gaining support... One of the main pillars stands the support of Nazi is the economic appeasement the Nazis made. They raised Germany out of severe economic crash, rasied wages, combated hyperinflation, reduced unemployement etc.. A propaganda would not work if the people don't see or feel any improvements in their surroundings, Propaganda wouldn't work if the people being brainwashed for it aren't seeing any changes right before their eyes... This section is literally covered in biased.

[Opinion Owner]

(PART 3) You are basically saying the liberals are weak fed with propaganda to support liberalism. lol, I like the arrogance as if you are so free from bias thoughts while in reality you are saying biased bullshit.

3) Anita Sarkeesian? Really?
What If I tell you that even liberals don't like Sarkeesian? She's full of bullshit.

''The Nazi party was willing to condone a lot of atrocities, total loss of individualism and personal freedom, Even the total collapse of the economy and society. All in the name of 'social' justice''

Hmmm The Nazi party was basically willing to condone evil all in the name of social justice.. Obviously because the Nazis themselves is evil within. Also you are painting 'social justice' as if it has a one single meaning. The meaning of Social Justice is relative depending who you make it defined to. An evil person would have a diabolical meaning of his version of Social Justice and similarly so is a Good person would have the opposite.

[Opinion Owner]

(Part 4)

2) *facepalm*.. Utopia in definition is an imaginary place where its perfect in every aspect... However again, that definition of 'perfect' is relative to who you ask. Evil or Good? Just because one is trying to achieve THEIR IDEAL aim and another one with THEIR IDEAL aim doesn't necessarily make them the same... Also creating an ultimate utopia? Isn't it that whole purpose of a civilization? To better itself towards a better world? And no, liberals dont see themselves as the most enlightened or superior and see white people as 'unfit' to their 'new world order'. Bullshit

(PART 3)
1) Obvious biased is obvious. Another bullshit... Hitler was weak dorky looking fuck with messiah complex with an ability to gather followers just like B Sander and Obama...

[Opinion Owner]

(PART 5)
First of all he was seen as a strongman leader, which like all dictatorial regimes have. It's one of the reasons why Right wing White Nationalists, supremacists like the KKK and other Neo Nazis adore Hitler would love to suck his cock. They see him as a strong leader who took action against what they consider enemies like Jews and minorites...

So Bernie Sanders and Obama have messiah complex now? and having supporters buy into things they said makes them comparable to Hitler? Wait didn't Hitler had a cult of personality? Like the Way Donald Trump shares similarity in which his racist supporters KKK thinks he's gonna save white people in America. I mean his supporters are giving him a cult of personality.. Weak, dorky looking with that hair, narcisstic, has follwers believing in what he says. Hmm must be like Hitler right? LOL

[Opinion Owner]

(PART 6)
cf.girlsaskguys.com/.../...7-939a-4df86e6d6542.jpg

Ahh yes this quote. The quote in which people love to use to say Hitler was a Socialist. THIS QUOTE WAS FROM GREGOR STASSER, in which got killed by Hitler when Hitler came into power... Hitler was never against capitalism, in fact his regime had a mixed economy. There were privitization and capitalism. There were corporations flourished during the Nazi era that are still here today.

[tyber1]

In what world are anarchists left wing? Anarchists don't even belong on that spectrum.

[Opinion Owner]

@tyber1 I agree but as I said this illustration is more accurate than the one posted in this MyTake

[tyber1]

More accurate can still be pretty damn inaccurate...

[Anonymous]

They are very similar in a lot of their beliefs. More so than they want to admit. They aren't completely the same, but Hitler was without a doubt one of the most progressive leaders in history.

The Nazis even wanted to create a new culture, which even in included new holidays, as they banned the old holidays and got rid of their old culture. Much like how the progressives what to completely over throw our current culture and even abolish days like Christmas, as they deem it offensive.

Really the only difference between their tactics is their willingness to use violence to achieve their goals, and lets face it. They simply lack the power to for them to want to try. If they suddenly had all the power they want, eventually it would corrupt them, and there would be little difference between the progressives and the Nazis. They already want to use force by changing laws to ban smoking, guns, and many other things the progressives don't like people having the freedom to do.

Both groups even have someone they blame all their problems on. The Nazis blamed the Jews, but now the hatred is for men, particularly white men. We are always viewed as being racist, and sexist no matter what we do, holder other groups back. That is the same type of hate that was spread about the Jews.

Feminists already want to control the male population by aborting most males, because they deem men as too violent and problematic. You don't get much further left than feminists.

The right or left can go just as extreme and be just as evil and destructive, but neither side will ever see themselves as the bad guys. Just like the Nazis didn't consider themselves the bad guys either. I don't think the left is more evil than the right, but the Nazis were without a doubt an example of the extreme left more than the extreme right. There are other examples of the extreme right doing bad things throughout history, but the Nazis, were far more progressive than right wing.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

At least it seems like a few more besides me notices this.

[cth96190]

Speaking as one who has made a study of National Socialism and the Third Reich, both out of personal interest and professionally as a history teacher, I can say that the author does not understand National Socialism.
For example, the Third Reich did not nationalise businesses in the manner of the Marxists.
Indeed, the National Socialist German Workers' Party was funded in large part by prominent German industrialists, who wanted to restore Germany's prosperity and saw the NSDAP as a way to do it. They would hardly fund a party that intended to confiscate their businesses.
There was a faction within the NSDAP that did tend in that direction. It was led by two brothers, Otto and Gregor Strasser. This faction became known as the Strasserites. They had more in common with the Stalinists in the USSR than they did with their fellow National Socialists, which should not be entirely a surprise, because a large number of the members of the NDSAP (especially the SA) were former communists. The Strasserites were purged. Many were killed.
National Socialism retains private ownership of businesses and property. The banks are nationalised. The usury money system is abolished.
That was the real reason behind World War Two. The Rothschilds wanted to reassert their financial control over Germany and, perhaps of greater importance, the Rothschilds could not allow the world to see an economic model that delivered greater prosperity, once their usury money system was no longer part of the picture.
National Socialism is one of only two forms of socialism that have been shown to be viable economic models. For example, in 1933 Germany was a basket case in which millions were starving. By 1939, the Germans had zero unemployment, the highest standard of living in Europe and Germany was a world power. That was an impressive achievement for an economic programme that had been in place for only six years.

[cth96190]

PS: Hitler was not "weak and dorky" as stated by the OP. He was a decorated war hero who volunteered for the job of messenger, which was one of the most dangerous roles in the army at the time.

[gotc147]

I part with the author on the subject of what exactly constitutes Naziism from communism or Stalinism, though the author and I are on the same page about where the leftward direction leads.

You're basically just splitting hairs, the main point of the take is that leftist policies ultimately lead to Naziism, Marxism and communism, none of which are good.

[jacquesvol]

@cth96190
the word 'socialism' refers to socializing all means of production (disowning them in favor of society). That has never been part of any nazi theory. Goebbels abused the word for nazi propaganda to suggest they were 'feeling social'. That's all there is to it.

[cth96190]

@jacquesvol
No, Jacques, you do not understand National Socialism.
What you said would be correct for Marxist socialism, but not National Socialism.
What the socialist part of National Socialism means is a social welfare system to support those who are in genuine need.

[jacquesvol]

@cth96190
Yes, nazis had a a social program too. So what? That doesn't make them socialists: the churches too have socisl programs. Even industrialists in the 19th century and bankers in the Middle Ages (the Fuggers) had social programs.
That does nog make them socialists.

[jacquesvol]

Sorry for the typos : I'm on my phone now.

[cth96190]

@jacquesvol
I know the telephone problem well. :-)
Big fingers, tiny simulated keys on the screen.
Making posts from my iPhone 4S seldom ends well.

[jacquesvol]

@cth96190
Under nazi and fascist theories those in need should be helped by the solidarity of gheir peers, *not* burden the whole society: they still use the word solidarism for it.
Socialism was just the propaganda word (because socialists were gaining followers then. Their own ideology spoke and still speaks about solidarism.

[cth96190]

@jacquesvol
It seems to me that you miss the point, which is that National Socialism was indeed a form of socialism; but not socialism of the Marxist variety, which is the only paradigm to which people are exposed in our thought-controlled society.

[Anonymous]

Correct politcal spectrum. You obviously know nothing about politics.
www.iagreetosee.com/.../political-spectrum.png

"The Nazis were totally fanatical and uncompromising in their beliefs" hmm sounds familiar.
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"Hitler was a very weak, dorky looking f*ck with a messiah complex and an uncanny ability to get his loyal herd of followers/sheep to buy into anything he said..." sounds like this guy.
www.mobipicker.com/.../TRUMP.jpg

"They believe in creating an ultimate utopia and see themselves as the most enlightened and superior beings that are unfortunately surrounded by ignorant inferiors that keep holding them back from attaining their true destiny."
2.bp.blogspot.com/.../religious+freedommyfoot.jpg

Hitler was a totalitarian dictator not a socialist.

Your horseshit propaganda and lies would make the nazi's proud. Hitler would've loved you.

[Opinion Owner]

You can't see the irony of your use of lies, fear mongering and propaganda which the nazis were famed for in comparing liberals to nazis, can you?

lmao. absolutely classic right wing stupidity.

[heavensgift2girls]

Your "correct political spectrum" is nonsense. Libertarians believe people should be free to do anything they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone else or infringing on their rights. That is about as far away from fascism as you can get. lol

They even promote a weaker central government so they don't have a powerful government capable of oppressing the freedoms of its citizens. You may not agree with those views, but they are clearly further from fascism than any of the others on that list, yet they were placed right next to the fascists. Why is that? Because the person that made that political spectrum wants to silence anyone they disagree with by associating them as fascists.

"They believe in creating an ultimate utopia and see themselves as the most enlightened and superior beings that are unfortunately surrounded by ignorant inferiors that keep holding them back from attaining their true destiny." That sounds like both the right and the left. lol

[Opinion Owner]

@heavensgift2girls Regardless, it's more accurate than the fool my take owner's spectrum which put nazism on the left and anarchism on the right. Quit being a cry baby.

[heavensgift2girls]

Fascism isn't exclusive to either the right or the left. There are dangerous extremes on both sides that can end up being fascist. The Nazis however are an example being more progressive than conservative. Conservatives don't like change, and the Nazis brought a lot of change. An example of conservative fascism would be something like a religion that is already been established, and do to its inability to learn or change it continues to violate the rights of others.

[oddwaffle]

I gotta agree with this post. Conservative is closer to fascism than libertarianism. America is deeply religious and has traits of extremists. The common use of religious symbols like Bibles and God as well as extremely high degree of religious ideas in law making is extremely disturbing despite the frequent use of "separation of state and church".

[gotc147]

Every single one of your points can be countered with something just as effective or moreso from the other side.

You are part of the problem.

[AhGojira]

You put fascists and communists on the same side of the political spectrum and they are polar opposites. Go back to introduction to politics and don't open your mouth again until you get at least a C-... It works more like this bud with two scale. One is representative of economic freedoms. The other would be representative of political freedoms.

https://www.rationalrevolution.net/images/nolan.gif

The economic freedom spectrum from left to right would be something like this:
https://i.imgur.com/sorYR.jpg

Your political freedom spectrum which runs up and down not left and right is where you have your anarchists polar opposite of your totalitarian dictatorships. Sardly in the USA both Democrats and Republicans consistently push towards totalitarian dictatorships pressing issues of rule of law, policing, security, etc. all which is authoritarian... They both bicker about differences in the economic spectrum as a way to divide and conquer populous and keep them passive...

[heavensgift2girls]

They are not polar opposites. Communism at its heart prevents the potential to grow wealth. No matter your drive or talent, you get forced to live just like everyone else, which is fascist. Likewise a system that allows for personal growth can also lead to fascism, as certain people end up with too much power and wealth preventing the growth of others. The only way to avoid fascism is to stay near the center, and avoid either extreme.

[Phoenix98]

Well that's what you get for letting goverment controlled education aka common core find its way into our schools that's what you get for letting socialist professors brainwash college students, that's what you get for letting groups like feminism get out of control and that's what you get for letting people like Obama and Hillary hold positions of power, and that's what you get for raising a generation of pussies and whiners who would rather work at McDonald's and demand a higher pay even though it's not meant to be a permanent job, instead of getting and education and actually trying in life and so, so, so much more.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

Damn, You just went oft!

[Phoenix98]

Lol well you said the gist of it I just finished off what you already said, besides it's not like what I said was false or anything *shrugs* unfortunately all true, also guess what ! the liberal teachers are demanding that the American flag be removed from schools because it's quote on quote "offensive".

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

I know, I was congratulating you. Good job!

[Phoenix98]

Ah hah, sorry, thank you kindly.

[rjroy3]

It's like you were just firing off truth bombs lol.

[Phoenix98]

@rjroy3 Lol you know it.

challengeworkouts.com/.../...orkout-truth-bomb.png

[AleDeEurope]

You're correct. The silencing of opinions is the best example. The Nazis would kill anyone opposing their views in order to silence them. Nowadays you can't kill for that, but you can arrest, physically attack, harass... those who disagree, and that's what's happening.
The best example is what happens in Trump's rallies. Who are the ones starting the violence? Yeah, the liberals... and who's blamed? Yeah, Trump... xD
That's clearly fascism, and same thing the Nazis did.

The fact that these people are blindly following lies, proves even more how similar to Hitler they are.
The worst part is that we're allowing these people to get away with what they do.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

Yeah, I noticed.

[Ruff2muffs]

You lost me when you compared hitler to Bernie sanders and Obama.

Hitler and Anita sarkeesian? Fuck yes I see the resemblance between those crazies and nazis, but Bernie and Obama are NOTHING like those people. Bernie sanders is not a "socialist" he just advocates for social programs that you and all of America enjoy like road departments, social security/retirement, minimum living wages, and public schools. You want an America with no social structures in place? You'll get the anarchy of total freedom.

[NedfromtheNed]

Bernie sanders is not a "socialist"
FALSE
"In Vermont, Bernie Sanders to become the country’s first self-described socialist"
(https://www. democracynow. org/2006/11/8/vermonts_bernie_sanders_becomes_first_socialist)

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

I like all the good things social programs do but fear all the things in can lead to with several safeguards in place to keep it in check.
I in no way oppose helping the poor, I'm all for it. But the left has some evil intentions and shady agendas going on. Just look how many thumbs up and support that crazy ass anonymous chick got when she typed out her SJW hate speech.
And she's not the only one :/

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

*Socialism can lead to without several safeguards.

[smølf]

Well said Ruff2muffs :)

[cjmtherfcker]

What a huge load if bullshit. You fuckin right wingers always try and take socialism and morph it to Nazism. Like socialism has never existed in any other form. But I guess you can't acknowledge that without it ruining your argument. Canada, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark all say high. I don't see any Hitlers over there. And per capita income put some of these countries higher than the us.
It was the American capitalist that made all the secret backroom deals with the nazis.
More racists in the right wing, and they believe in allowing rich people to exploit the less fortunate. They led the charge against unions, consumer protection, raising minimum wages, healthcare. Nazis killed off the old and sick. At least they did it quickly.
The right wingers would just prefer you disappear and starve to death as long as you don't complain about.
George Bush's family all prominent Nazi supporter. So it's def the right that are the nazis. And keep up this fantasy about how great capitalism is when its failing us.

[jacquesvol]

Henry Ford too supported Nazism.

[gotc147]

Wow... You're nuts.

[cjmtherfcker]

@gotc147 Naw your nuts Prescott Bush was charged with Treason for helping the Nazis laundering there blood money with Union bank. Now Bank of America
There are Democratic socialist countries doing Just Fine some would argue better than the U. S. And No Nazis or Hitler or anything of the such.
Capitalism is a sevice to self model. Which more often than not leads to exploitation
Reagan Killed the Unions
I don't know a single prominent republican on board with raising the minimum wage
Republicans are always arguing in favor of destroying any entity designed at protecting regular people from large corporations. Unions, EPA, Financial Reg, etc.

[gotc147]

"I don't know a single prominent republican on board with raising the minimum wage"

Really? So you don't know Donald Trump?

It's generally opposed in Republican circles because it's harmful to the economy, hell even the New York Times ran an article in the 80s arguing for abolishing the minimum wage.

[somebodysaycheese]

Actually my Oma was talking about Bernie supoorters and Bernie speeches and the first thing she said is " its like Hitler". Lol.. i dont support any of the candidates and ya Bernie does sound a lot like hitler and his supporters are just like Hitlers going to rallies and causing trouble, damage and hurting people.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

'Pacifist' thugs LOL

[jacquesvol]

@somebodysaycheese
But your granny never heard or saw Hitler.
Her hearsay thus.

[somebodysaycheese]

@jacquesvol she never heard or saw hitler? Have you meet her?

[gotc147]

Don't bother, @jacquesvol knows everything, just ask him.

[jacquesvol]

@somebodysaycheese
Considering *your* age, Hitler was probably already dead for quite a time when your granny was born. And does she understand German?

[somebodysaycheese]

@jacquesvol lol. My granny is my great grandmother. lol she was born in 1914. Can she speak German well she is German so yea born and raised and died in germany

[jacquesvol]

@somebodysaycheese
Yea sure, change your story, move the goal posts.
You're born in 1990, your great grandmother. she was born in 1914. She'd be 98 now but she died in Germany.
Makes her 76 at your birth. A 76 yo woman would certainly talk politics to a baby. And the baby would certainly understand it. How probable. :D

[somebodysaycheese]

@jacquesvol lol, what im 26 old man. She died when i was 18. i dont know if youve ever been in a war but people talk about that all the time especially the fact that all the town folk talked about or the fact that we seperated our jewish cemetery from the christian or that we had several infirmaries in the area i lived. Im sorry no amount of books ot t. v will make you understand ones experience. you shouldn't be such a smart ass its not a good look.

[jacquesvol]

Part of my family died in WW2, killed by Germans. Others were caught and in camps or had to hide.

Nazis and Sanders are opposites, not similar.

[jacquesvol]

8 jrs ago? presidential campaigns are about 2016.

[gotc147]

@jacquesvol Liberal logic...

Loses family to tyrannical regime.

Vehemently against allowing the people the means to have a fighting chance against a tyrannical regime.

And you wonder why people think you're an idiot.

[jacquesvol]

@gotc147 When Hitler took power and the years before, his storm troopers were armed by the German army, from German army stocks. That's the kind of 'defense' people got then.

[gotc147]

@jacquesvol "That's the kind of defense' people got then".

Exactly my point, history demonstrates that it's a VERY bad idea to leave it to the government to protect you and that it is best to protect yourself.

That is actually law here in the US, it works quite well for the most part.

[jacquesvol]

@gotc147 FYI: Hitlers storm troopers weren't armed by the govt but by renegate officers, who preferred a nazi coup. They committed treason. Something like the "two percenters" and the "Oath keepers" .

[gotc147]

@jacquesvol George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and all the rest of our Founding Fathers also committed treason.

We're in the middle of arming Syrians who have committed treason, we supported rebels who overthrew Mubarak and Ghadaffi too... There are times when treason isn't such a bad thing.

Meanwhile Bernie Sanders supporters are attacking Donald Trump supporters... Kind of like Hitler's Brown Shirts.

[jacquesvol]

@Supersonic_Sex_Ninja the most stupid take I ever read here

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

I think we can all agree that both the far left and the far right share striking similarities to the Nazi party. Any extreme movement will share the same tactics and whatnot and any extreme movement is full of total and utter idiots. Just don't compare people to Hitler, that weakens your point. Other than that, I agree with this take.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

Thank you.
And thanks for reading :)

[JRICHARDS1996]

You are not too far off base. I read in "The Lucifer Effect" by Dr. Philip Zimbardo that a study found that given the right external forces, college students (read: liberals) could be radicalized to the extent of rounding up scapegoats like a Nazi witch hunt. I imagine it would occur through radical leftist groups coercing the school into punishing students for holding conservative values.

[JRICHARDS1996]

I would also add that the great irony is that Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist groups are actually very far off from true Nazi ideology which was totalitarian and about a state controlled economy. Essentially they are just radical American nationalists with a racial flare. Liberals with their insistence on nationalization and a regulated economy are more similar to Nazis.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

You have a great point.

[SüßeJäger]

That political spectrum is the correct and non-confusing way to make people understand the definitions. I've used it for years, it more accurate too. NAZIS ARE ULTRA LEFT, JUST TO THE RIGHT OF COMMIES! Lol sorry. People are so dumb when it comes to this. They don't look at definitions of words and call bull shit when the media or a historian calls nazis "far right." there's NOTHING right wing about them in any way!

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

The lies they tell themselves and others are crazy.

[SüßeJäger]

The thing that gets me is the absolute apathy for knowing the truth. I used to be like that but I was that on the right wing. They could do no harm and I was naïve and gullible. I'm still mostly conservative but I'm for real liberty now, not the phoney neo-con freedom which isn't freedom. They are so swallowed up in their ideas, they will not even check them out just to make sure they're right. All that's necessary is to define what left and right is and you can easily place any govt in one box or the other. Nazis are in the left box with commies. If a person can read, they can figure it out but first they have to be willing to ask questions and think for themselves. Not regurgitate the latest buzz word their favorite lib talking head tells their minions to. The same goes for the right, they regurgitate Rush Limbaughs latest buzz word and don't have a single brain cell activated for independent, critical thinking.

[bubbletrouble]

Couldn't really tag your name lol but just wanted to say I agreed with your comment on my post.

[RedThread]

Modern liberals are pacifists and against nationalism. Those communist dictatorships were heavily nationalistic and racist. Germany for Germans while using Jews as a scapegoat. Sounds an awful lot like the shit Trump spews about Muslims and violating religious rights.

If you were being intellectually honest and without bias you would find that both the modern right and left wing have similarities to fascist governments of the past in their extreme forms. When you're on one side of the aisle you get accustomed to criticisms from the other side so it's easier to see abuses of the other side.

[bubbletrouble]

The left are the first people to call the government which is proof they are identical to nazis. They want big government when it benefits them. And FYI the nazis were far left. Liberals have rewritten history.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

I never believe anyone who has to use so much propaganda and shame tactic, The far left has or supports an evil agenda (even if they don't know it)

[bubbletrouble]

I think the older ones have many agendas like Obama. But the younger ones are dumb as fuck and just follow the leader.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

Yeah, They are some weak minded fuckers.

[SüßeJäger]

That's one of the things the left does best, rewriting history. Leftism destroys and always has. Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, European govts that have been moving more and more left since WW2 are just starting to fall apart and will collapse. The tax burden on the people is just too much. It stifles business and costs jobs. The left has to lie about their past cuz it's history is so terrible. People believe their b. s. cuz it sounds so good and compassionate, young people are gullible and swoon over that stuff. Later in life, they see it doesn't work and the average person moves further and further right as they age. They see that it's not compassionate at all, it's just the opposite. It destroys.

[jacquesvol]

@bubbletrouble
Please, learn AT LEAST the basics of politics.
PLEASE!

[jacquesvol]

@SüßeJäger https://oi66.tinypic.com/28v9653.jpg

[Anonymous]

Nazis were

Ultra Nationalist (to the point of equating nation with race)
Collectivist
Ultra Authoritarian
Mixed economy (command and market)
Militarist

Modern liberals are :

Internationalist
Collectivist
Populist
Mixed economy
Pacifist

Modern conservatives (in the USA) are

Nationalist
Individualist
Populist
Free market
Militarist

So it's kind of a tossup. They are each about equally close to the Nazis in their own ways.

[Opinion Owner]

Having said that it really should be pointed out conservative are much more varied than liberals because conservatives are really a grab-bag of everybody who doesn't buy into liberal orthodoxy.

[gotc147]

Mostly correct, I've been saying this for years.

Just remember something when you try to tell people this: the indoctrinated are not aware that they are indoctrinated, fascism always portrays itself as anti-fascism and evil will always portray the righteous as the evil ones.

From the looks of the comments here, we have many victims of the machine's evils present.

[violettasanchez]

Did you just compare Hitler to Bernie Sanders and Obama tho...

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

Not really.

[violettasanchez]

"just like" sounds like comparison to me

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

I compared them to Hitler as much as it was possible to do.

[Homebakedcookies]

Yes he did. And he's right to do so.

Think it's at strange comparison? Why else do you think they seek to confiscate your weapons? It's so you won't have any means to resist when they finally push you up against the walls.

[violettasanchez]

@Homebakedcookies Hahaha I've heard that pro-gun logic before.

[Homebakedcookies]

I'm not even an American. The same thing is happening in Europe. They're trying to ban guns because they want us to be unable to defend ourselves when they finally dismantle our so called democracies. Our continent is being flooded by muslim men and we are in great danger. And now of all times they decide to push for a ban on guns. You don't think that's strange at all? The muslims have thousands of illegal firearms which they import daily, while we have nothing. That's a recipe for genocide.

You think you can trust your government. But that's because you don't understand who or what they really are. They have nothing in common with you. They don't care about you. All they want is to own you.

Game of Thrones is a very popular show. You'd think people get the hang of how politics work by now.

[violettasanchez]

@Homebakedcookies Yes, there's a worldwide Muslim conspiracy going on. I mean, haven't you heard? Obama is a taliban.

I've had enough stupidity today, maybe some other time.

[Homebakedcookies]

So you are saying the islamic invasion of Europe is not happening? It's not real? It's all in our minds?

[violettasanchez]

@Homebakedcookies It is happening, because there's a fucking mess going on in the Middle East and its population (which happens to be Muslim) is looking for refuge. Do I think governments are conspiring against you? Absolutely fucking not, get off conspiracy blogs, my friend, for your own health. Now, guns in United States are a mess, any lunatic can buy assault weapons which is NOT OKAY.

[Homebakedcookies]

A mess that your corrupt politicians started on purpose. You destroyed Iraq to "bring them democracy". Now you refuse to destroy ISIS that arose from its ashes. That makes a lot of fucking sense.

They are not refugees. Most of them don't even come from conflict nations. They are radical islamic settlers who are here for european wellfare and the sweet life. Nothing else. They are here to stay. And that alone will cause our downfall. Because we can never compete with them in childbirth. Because they do not work.

The invasion has been going on long since before your country started the wars. For 30 years our politicians have let them in without limit. And now europeans are being raped, robbed and murdered on the streets as a consequence. Our children are walking scared even in their schools. All because of people like you. Naive and guilleble idiots who refuse to open their eyes to the real world and the real humans in it. People who think they are kind when infact they are murderers.

[violettasanchez]

Hahahaha hold on right there, I'm Mexican dude.

[Homebakedcookies]

Do you live in the United States?

[SüßeJäger]

It's illegal for a "lunatic" to buy any firearm in the U. S. Assault weapons are highly controlled. You have to register them, pay a $200 tax, the wait for approval is around 6 months at the moment and the cheapest assault weapon starts at around $5,000 and goes up to low 6 digits. I agree with this guy. There is a plan the elites are putting into place. Republicans and Democrats fighting over things that are not even a real issue is they way they keep us distracted away from what is really going on. They do not have our interests in mind. It's not on conspiracy websites anymore, it's on mainstream media.

[violettasanchez]

@Homebakedcookies Yeah, but I've been living here for a year so don't hold me accountable for the shit the government has done. There's some truth in what you say, though.

[Homebakedcookies]

Ok. I apologise for using aggressive language.

[violettasanchez]

@Homebakedcookies No probs, I understand your rage, just don't fall victim to irrational thought.

[Homebakedcookies]

No worries. I'm very rational. But we all have to vent from time to time ;I

[vishna]

The moment someone compares normal people to Hitler, is the moment you realize they don't have a good argument.

[Homebakedcookies]

The moment someone makes a comment that doesn't make sense at all, is the moment you realize they don't have a good argument.

[vishna]

@Homebakedcookies what type of cookie are?

[Homebakedcookies]

Cookies of hard truth.

[Jager66]

Actually the MyTake is an argument, your comment is a non argument.

If you want to be right your going to have to actually make a counter argument, dismissing like your just plain superior should be embarrassing for you.

[jacquesvol]

It's the Godwin Point. Usually it's reached after a discussion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

@Supersonic_Sex_Ninja starts at a Godwin point.

That's just trolling thus.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Snickerdoodles are pretty damn good, but chocolate chip are best in milk

[jacquesvol]

The big fascist in US politics is Trump.

[vishna]

@OrdinaryGentleman yea, I prefer chocolate chip as well.

[jwhit]

I think we can both agree that both extremes are fucked up, yeah? Lol just skimming through all these comments made me laugh. You got people saying Communism is this and Fascism is that, only for someone to come in and say that it's something totally different. Like who tf is actually right? This is why I don't really fuck with politics because it's all endless bullshit arguing over who thinks they're right.

[Supersonic_Sex_Ninja]

Some of the worst groups in history started out with the best intentions, They just could'nt stop the corruption. The extreme fringes are always gonna end badlt if they get the power.