Is MGTOW a natural consequence of feminism?

[Anonymous]

MGTOW basically means men who aren't going to get married. These men are the majority in the generation under 25. But many men are swearing off relationships as well.

Slowly men are wanting nothing to do with women...

Women are not just superior by law, institutions and social standards. There are also a lot of injustices going on by women & feminist countries... Basically men are oppressed and discriminated against in a large number of ways.

NOTE: This is done by the same feminist people who claim to support equality of the sexes. Women also only asked for equality, but they have manipulated their way to supremacy.

Yes

No

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The discrepancy in male-female votes was expected, to be fair.

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It's nice to see more men awake to their oppression than before. The truth can't remain hidden for too long no matter how many emotions get in the way.

The entire western civilization discriminates against men based on their sex. It's repulsive what we do domestically, and how we think we have the RIGHT to talk shit about the non-western world

[Azara]

Women didn't 'ask' for equality. The fought suffered were tortured and died for it. quality is not a privilege it is no ones to give. It is a right.

I can understand guys feeling bitter towards marriage. its a lot harder to get a maid out of it then it used to be., now when you get married you often still have to pick up your dirty socks. many Women dont want to get married bc many guys still expect a made in a wi9fe.

Its interesting too that Women have for very long opted out of marriage bc of the triple labor that comes with it, but they dont yell about. they just dont get married,.

If you dont want to get marred donor. I dont think marriage is what makes a solid relationship anyhow, i also think if you dont want any relationship you should not feel obligated.

but we love ing civil society where everyone is dependent on everyone else.

no one is 'going there own way' it does not exist. whether you have a partner or not, your life is intricately based on your relations to every other member of your society.

Rugged individual is a myth a fantasy an illusion that makes people feel like they are a what they imagine our ancestors to have been like. All courageous and figure. not pooping on themselves and getting eaten alive by wild boars while they sleep like babies in real position to keep warm. .. but I guess people their illusions.

Anyhow, you ought to do what makes you happy. if your only worried about divorce then just have a live in partner. i dont see the problem. :-)

[Asker]

You have a very poor understanding of MGTOW.

Yes women "asked" for it mainly by protesting and screaming... until men in the west complied due to many stupid reasons... but don't make it sound like it was forced upon men by warrior women.

And LOL actually MGTOW is due to sexist society that routinely discriminates against and fucks over men. And yes, many MGTOW don't even want your "solid relationship" crap

[Asker]

"i don't see the problem"

Thing is, MGTOW are free to discuss women without feminist pressures. Men have always known the nature of women, which is a HUGE problem. Possible the biggest of them all. And it's not just marriage that can fuck you over, but a false accusation of abuse or something else... Then there's palimony... the list goes on.

[jacquesvol]

HAMLET
Get thee to a nunnery. Why wouldst thou be a breeder of sinners? I am myself indifferent honest, but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me.
I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offences at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all. Believe none of us. Go thy ways to a nunnery.
https://nfs.sparknotes.com/hamlet/page_144.html and next

[jacquesvol]

I'm pretty sure Hamlet was written before feminism existed

[Asker]

Get outa here troll.

Not that this opinion owner isn't a troll..

[devilish-cutie]

Women asked for equality, but they have manipulated their way to supremacy. - seriously? You feel so threatened from women? If men say they are so unhappy I would wonder why and feel bad about it and tried to understand them, rather than attack them that they want to take over women (again)... Most presidents, premiers, key people in the world, world liders... most men fyi

[Asker]

I'm only talking about the feminist world... And 99.99% of men, who are oppressed. Not the 0.01% of men who are in power positions. What does this mean?

That 100% of women are superior to 99.99% of men.

[devilish-cutie]

you are crazy, if mostly men are world's leaders therfore the one liding the world, why would they then let women dominate men? You are delususional. Sure, there are manipulative women, but you cannot say that there are more those then the ones that want equality. But manipulative ones are the ones that set you off so you think that is all. You don't really try to understand women. We are not enemise, there is no war. Women like men and men like women. The problem are set of social ruels how genders should behave and it affect both men and women. How can you promote hate and blame women for supressing men or something... That is not true nor right. There are bad women, as there are bad people, but promotung hate towards women I don't see as something right. You have to know that you speek only from personal experience and you don't know what all happens in the world regarding women. e. g. No men is treated as muslim women.

[Asker]

Stop grasping at straws. Men are oppressed, second-class citizens in the entire western civilization. Men are routinely discriminated against based on their sex.

By law, institutions and social standards... there is NO EQUALITY

[dudeman]

men work to get in those positions. women do not work nearly as much as men so it would be expected that they do not hold leadership positions.

[dudeman]

you clearly dont know how voting works. women outnumber men. women make the decisions in western countries.

[Asker]

Women are also expected to work less, and feminist society is way less ruthless with them... the main thing is that women should be working for us so we don't seem like a bunch of misogynists

[BellePepper]

So what account are you on now? Ten? I can't decide who's sadder: You for coming back with new accounts or the guys who are actually taking you seriously XD

https://youtu.be/gkTb9GP9lVI

[OlderAndWiser]

1. The majority of men under age 25 will eventually get married.

2. Some men are swearing off relationships but most men want female companionship.

3. "Slowly men are wanting nothing to do with women." Really? I don't see that when I look around me.

4. Most women are not hostile feminists and you have over-generalized on this point. Also, women cannot put you down unless you let them. Don't you know how to stand up for yourself? I am tired of hearing you MGTOW guys (I call it MFTOCEM = Men Fixin' Their Own Coffee Every Morning) whine like babies while also claiming to be strong men.

5. There are hostile feminazis. And there are hostile guys like you. The rest of us are enjoying having relationships with the opposite sex.

Every time I post something on this subject, I get a reply that says I am too stupid to know that I am oppressed, or I am a pussy for believing what women say. Actually, I have a fairly high IQ and I am a traditional male who believes in traditional gender roles. If you insist on calling me names, please think of something more original than "stupid" or "pussy."

[Asker]

1. Not at this rate old man. Men are waking up to their oppression
2. Numbers
3. Numbers
4. Almost all women are somewhat oppressive, in that they support oppressive social norms
5. Actually over 70% of married couples have admitted that they are unhappy and experts say that only 10-30% of marriages are happy. Half of marriages end in divorce. Relationships end like shit too. WTF are you expecting me to buy? That women give you happiness? LOL

You're NOT stupid, just heavily brainwashed to the point that you deny a mountain of evidence.

[OlderAndWiser]

1. The average age at which men marry for the first time has increased to age 29 (was 23 in 1960) but that increase is explained by the significantly increased incidence of couples cohabiting.

2. Numbers? Is that an argument or a mantra?

3. Same.

4. "Almost all women are somewhat oppressive, in that they support oppressive social norms." I assume this statement is based on your personal experience. Based on your attitude, I can understand why you would have difficulty getting close to nice women.

5. I don't expect you to buy anything. I am happy for you to stay in your man cave, watch wrestling, and drink yourself into oblivion. That makes less competition for other guys.

No one brainwashed me. I don't attend feminist meetings or read their literature. Most of them would call me a chauvinist pig. I have the ability to tell feminazis to go fuck themselves and, if they did not scare you so much, you could do the same thing.

[Asker]

Oh come on, don't deny it. You're a raging feminist! I won't reply to your shaming tactics and crap... but as far as the numbers go, get your facts straight!!

Statistics reported by TIME magazine show that about two thirds of people 18-29 are single, with 16% being married and 14% cohabiting. Cohabitation has remained constant, and slightly declined since 2004, but marriage has declined almost 15% overall, with the decline being very steep & SIGNIFICANT in the 20-29 age group and well over 10% in the 30-39 age group.

Don't forget South Korea and Japan's herbivore men. MGTOW is growing very rapidly, and it has already been found that 25% of millenials will never get married,,,, but that number doesn't take into account how rapidly men are waking up.

You'll see old man. Just don't die on me!!

[OlderAndWiser]

"It has already been found that 25% of millenials will never get married." Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is? You just lost any remaining credibility, young punk!

[Asker]

Ohh I meant "predicted" but you can see the trends. This was even reported by time magazine and predicted by people who know their shit...

Look at the other data I provided. There are so many things to consider... I feel bad for you. Either way, you're approaching this like an aggressive feminazi. Blocked.

[Arthursss]

If you don't have a car and your own house, you is not the good option in the eyes of the most women to get married. There are statistics that shows that more than half of marriage ends in divorce, and in the most case, you as a men, probably will lost your house, maybe your children and will have to pay alimony for the next twenty years, unless that you want to go to prison, and all this just for have what you could have without put yourself in this situation nowadays (sex and companionship) and never get married. And also most young women, have unrealistic expectations without have nothing to offer beyond a pussy. MGTOW just realize that women, probably will waste their time with a boring company in some years and bring more problems that benefits for their lives also.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Bias MHO's choice, I agree with some of these points but (not to sound cocky), my answer or @Nuqood 's answer were the best.

[Asker]

No... You must realize that MHO = Most Helpful Opinion

This opinion is the most helpful, in that, it brings to light what MGTOW is truly about. It talks about the crucial issues that MGTOWs are concerned about.

It is not some ignorant post saying MGTOW is about celibacy or some other nonsense.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Ok, I don't consider myself a MGTOW just as I don't consider myself Agnostic or a Christian because there's a lot more than that, and I rather keep those details to myself tbh. Who cares in listening what my belief system is anyway, right?

But here goes my two cents. I agree with most of stuff MGTOW's preach, but if I have to take a guess it's 70% truth and 30% bullshit. I don't think all women are the same, even though the majority of women act out of self-interest and no love/feelings involved not everyone is like that. I think there are good girls out there still, maybe I'm delusional only time will tell but that's what I think. I mean, it's not the same dating a girl who grew up in a small town in Nebraska or smth, than a girl raised in Toronto, where every single girl is pretty much a feminist. Does that makes sense?

Anyways, feminism itself has affected men to become MGTOW's of course. But the biggest push to MGTOW and what has allowed a lot of women to divorce men (70% of divorces are initiated by women), keep their assets, take alimony, and prevent them to have custody of a child, etc.. Just leave men in ruin (117 laws approx. favor women, 0 marital laws favor men) are not the women themselves, is the State, the courts, the system. Women are pawns, and marriage is a token to have men PAYING and benefiting the state itself. We don't live under an impartial system, no, and it knows why rules/laws don't change as long as it benefits them.

That is the ultimate true, and that's why men don't want to get married. Also, it is impossible for men to not want to do anything with women because we have a pretty fucking shitty biology, and we are built to desire women. I personally settle with dating right now since I have no time for relationships, and I hardly trust girls anymore (a bunch of stories there).

Anyways, that's my take so I guess I am more in favor of it than against. I have good social skills by the way, I'm not that bad looking, I earn well/have a decent job, currently studying/building my career, and in the process of getting a home for myself. Just stating that for the people who think guys who say these things are losers and ugly, and can't get girls lol

[Asker]

Women have only been allowed in the public sphere for the past 50-100 years.

When you say "social skills" you take a very feminist perspective. This is another damaging effect of feminism that leads to MGTOW. These "social skills" expectations from feminist society are abusive.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

No it's not and you are being completely paranoid. This conspiracy thing is what I don't agree with.

Social skills in the sense that I can function within social gatherings, work reunions, conventions, seminars, among my peers, etc, without having to leave behind my individuality and ideals and without relying on political correctness.

I have good social skills in the sense that I can function within society, not women in dating exclusively, in the sense that I'm not a repressed guy who lives in their parents basement, thinks low of himself and have enough confidence to move forward on my own terms.

[Asker]

Yeah but you're referring to feminist gatherings, feminist work reunions, feminist conventions, feminist seminars etc...

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Again, you are being paranoid.

[Asker]

Oh come on now...

[Nuqood]

I guess I'd agree, as much as I hate to since I can't stand men who identify as 'migtow'.

MGTOW people are typically paranoid, angry, social rejects who hide behind the movement as an excuse for why they don't talk to women. Most MGTOWers are actual misogynists, getting excited over crazy ideas like artificial wombs to 'replace' women because they hate them. I'm all for establishing your role as a man in the world, in fact you can look through my post history to see how anti-feminism I am, but if the world operated like POkemon then MGTOWers would be the evolved form of fedora wearing 'nice guys'.

I mean, they do expose a LOT of the bullshit of feminism and the modern woman in the Anglosphere, so completely discrediting them would be silly, but they're often times just as radical as feminists like Valerie Solanis. Having to name a movement after summat that men already do makes it more of a support group for cry babies than a movement. As for your question, though, in a sense it's a direct result.. though I don't think it will expand enough to move past the 'bitter movement' category into a 'reaction to' category.

[Asker]

You can't stand it because you're a brainwashed feminist. The vast majority of MGTOWs don't identify as such. They are naturally going their own way.

Are you an immigrant Muslim? Cuz it's pointless having this argument with you if so. You are about 10-20 years behind..

[Asker]

I will say though... that don't go against your culture. Men were always right about women. Feminists are liars... and nazis

[Nuqood]

Are you trolling? Or are you just retarded. I'm not even an Arab let alone a practitioner of Islam; I'm anti-feminist, I just know that most of you MGTOW losers are just that: bitter losers.

[Asker]

No your name was Nuqood so...

Either way, the first part of my opinion comment still stands strong. Like a rock.

[BuchitaBuchys]

Perfect response.

[Asker]

Perfect as rated by a woman. lol

[KDA20]

I will say to a degree there will be a growing number of MGTOW as a response to feminism but an overwhelming number I am not too sure. I don't know how to fix it but it is unfortunate a chasm as formed between the MRAs/MGTOW and the feminists because I support a lot of both their views regarding equality for all men and women as an egalitarian.

[Asker]

Yeah I fully agree with you :D

[elew4too]

No-fault divorces make marriage very unattractive to a lot of guys. Like, a guy doesn't want to get on his knees at 25 to beg a girl to marry him only to have her leave because she's bored at 55. By that time, his ability to get another partner has greatly diminished. Therefore, I don't think that feminism, as a whole, created MGTOW. I think changes in family law because of feminism created MGTOW.

[Asker]

Feminism is what has caused divorce in the first place. Feminism has caused social superiority of women... and a woman worshipping society in general. Thus feminism has led to the oppression of men, all on the basis of gender equality.

It's truly sick.

[elew4too]

I see where you're coming from. I'm just reluctant to draw such strong language to describe what has happened.

[9mfeo]

Divorce has existed since at least the 16th Century, when Henry VIII divorced Catherine of Aragon. Feminism first became a thing in the late 19th century at the earliest.

[Asker]

Divorce for women only came with women's liberation.

Divorce for men has always been around in bits and pieces.

[Asker]

Things become especially clear when you look at the statistics.

[9mfeo]

Thus, divorce has always existed as marriage for the majority of history has been between a man and a woman (or three).

[Asker]

Yes, for men.

[dudeman]

she doesn't understand no fault divorce. I've had back and fourths with her but she's not very bright.

[Asker]

That, and she's just another oppressor who wants to keep the illusion going.

[SmashHead]

To an extent yes. But most feminists aren't whiny, entitled hypocrites. Sadly the obnoxious vocal minority is what the media pays attention to and how society forms is often impacted by the media. Most Men aren't trying to rape or molest anyone and I think most women aren't trying to screw over men, but because there has been such an uproar, everyone is feeling resentment and mudslinging instead of achieving ACTUAL EQUALITY. To the men and women who are following these movements because they were hurt, please understand that there are good people from both genders (or 70+ genders depending on your perspective) and you can't just give up and use an entire group of people as a scapegoat.

[CasaNorba]

I have to say "Hell Yeah!"

I mean I dont see any other way this movement could of started. and so far this by far the best secret weapon against feminism. the movement basically doesn't required violence, oppression and humiliation and shaming like that of feminism's.

[Asker]

The way women achieve it is by indoctrinating children. This goes a loooong way in continuing feminist oppression.

However, the truth can't be hidden for long no matter how hard feminists try. Men are slowly but surely waking up.

[CasaNorba]

you think so?

brother you definitely need to read this article...

www.breitbart.com/.../

its pretty long but really worth reading. shit I thought I was a big time loser till I read this article and realize how I'm not the only one with this mentality today

[Asker]

Wow that's really long! I skimmed through it and it definitely seems like the person who wrote it is well aware of gynocentrism and feminist oppression

[CasaNorba]

you best believe, I wasn't lying when I told you are not alone on this one. but oh well lets keep up this movement, lets continue making this world feminism's worst nightmare!

[Asker]

It's a damn shame that western civilization entirely discriminates against, and oppresses men... all the while blaming non-western places for not practising EQUALITY lol

[CasaNorba]

hypocrisy at is best! lmao

[sp33d]

What on earth are you talking about? "Women are not just superior by law, institutions and social standards" - where does this come from? Did you see that on TV somewhere?

"Slowly men are wanting nothing to do with women..." - Anywhere, but here, in that case.

MGTOW doesn't mean we have it fixed, done stamped, sealed that we will never get married. Our current mindset is that we won't. Who's to say we won't change our views? It has nothing to do with women, in fact, rather the type of lifestyle that is prevalent in today's world.

"The entire western civilization discriminates against men based on their sex." I am part of the Western civilization, I notice nothing of the sort. You are delusional.

[Asker]

Estonia...

I know nothing about your small country so I won't comment. But you're living under a rock. If you really wanna know what's going on... go to realsexism (dot) com FOR STARTERS

[sp33d]

God damn zealots, you argue against common sense.
"Men are 97% of combat fatalities."
What does this have to do with sexism, exactly? In many countries, men have mandatory military service and many men volunteer to fight in the wartorn parts of the world.
"Men pay 97% of Alimony" - no comment, really. Alimony is set by law, to be paid by the party that did NOT get custody. This is common sense, you take care of your kids. Nothing to do with sexism, it just so happens a lot of men are not qualified to gain custody. I know plenty of women that do pay alimony.
"77% of homicide victims are men." How is this even remotely related to the topic of sexism? Men are the ones that more often are involved in criminal activities.

Titled RealSexism and yet provides almost no statistics to support its claim toward men being opressed IN COMPARISON to women. The statistics is mis-leading, more fit to describe the overall mortality rate of men of various age groups. Irrelevant to the topic of sexism.

[sp33d]

Judging by your preaching, you probably haven't even properly looked into the webpage, just saw the numbers, oblivious to what they actually represent.

It is you that is living under a rock, I'm afraid.

[sp33d]

There was one very neat paper on "Men are over twice as victimised by strangers as women." - however, it is not linked to sexism. If anything, the author of the webpage discredits the author of that paper and should be sued for intentional mis-use of professional level statistics to incite hate.

[Asker]

It's not just about sexism, but also the hardships men face in the unequal work environment where women do the easy work and let men do the hard stuff...

Also, you know a lot of women that pay alimony? TROLOLOL. Women actually earn more now in the US & UK under 40. But nobody's crying about that wage gap and men still pay 97% of alimony

[sp33d]

Do you even know what alimony is? I begin to believe you don't.
If it's not just about sexism, then the webpage should also have a different title. This is known trick in statistics - mind you, I have studied statistics and written numerous papers, one in particular, on the mis-use of statistics.

The works presented in this webpage are almost all valid and constructive, however, relevant only to their field of exploration. On a whole, it has almost nothing to do with opression of men.

" hardships men face in the unequal work environment where women do the easy work and let men do the hard stuff." This is something that nobody can assess just like that.

Overall, you are better off trying to convince someone uneducated. You have failed to convince me.

[Asker]

You're just a brainwashed (and thus defensive) feminist. You didn't read so many things on that website and posted a few nitpicked things. Typical feminist.

For example, did you not read that court bias against men is 6 times as big as racial bias?

[Asker]

Alimony is a legal obligation on a person to provide financial support to his or her spouse before or after marital separation or divorce :) On top of men paying 97% of the time and women earning more overall under 40...

it has been found that overall 40% of wives outearn their husbands regardless of age. If you were BOTHERED to look, you would immediately find the answers. But you don't want them. You're a feminist... I'm so done with you.

[sp33d]

Never been a feminist. I didn't nitpick, I pointed out a few examples to Why the webpage does not do its title justice. Court bias is irrelevant, for one, it's not confirmable evidence to support your claim of opression and two, it is undergraduate-level of assessment to not consider What the hearing was about - the statistics does not fit for the title. Such statistics is fit to describe conviction distribution among men and women, but even that is superficial.

No no, you, my friend, are brain-washed. You have not made mention to any specifics on any of the studies. You see the numbers in the titles and it convinces you - you have to be better than that.

[sp33d]

I advise you to stop trying to argue with someone that really knows what statistics is. For you own good, for you will, at one point, make yourself look like an idiot. Right now you qualify for a zealot.

[Asker]

Blocked.

(learn to read and take off your feminist glasses for a change)

[B34rdy]

I have very little to do with women, I don't date, I don't ask women out, I don't have relationships, I don't have sex and I don't have any friends that are women. My interactions with women are based on my job and my family life.

I don't subscribe to this movement and I don't blame feminism or hate it, I don't even hate women. The reason I am the way I am is because I'm happier on my own. Every time I have got close to a woman it has been ended in pain and misery. Maybe it's purely my fault, maybe it's their fault, maybe it's fate, maybe I haven't found miss right yet. None of that bothers me because when I am women free I am happier and my happiness important to me.

[B34rdy]

That maybe true but heaven forbid kind, Sir, I can assure you I am far from normal.

[Asker]

I meant normal for not keeping the company of women.

[Anonymous]

perhaps wanting nothing to do with commitment with women is more accurate

frankly i still want to have sex and maybe even a baby one day with a woman:P

but yeah.. i don't know. i don't think i care anymore if i get married but...
I've found that its just easier to get a younger 18yo girlfriend at my age and start with them from scratch away from lopsided ideas like "feminism"

i think the feminazis are the problem and perhaps they are making some men just do the larger age gap relationships more, with uncontaminated (for want of a better word) younger women who are open to being more fair =p

[Asker]

Oh I didn't mean sex... as far as kid is concerned... LOL don't fall into that trap!!

[Opinion Owner]

shrug relationships are overrated, also you can just adopt now. there are lots of kids that need parents we dont need to be making more =p

so... yes id rather have a relationship and sex with someone much younger barely legal and less polluted, thats just me though

[AleDeEurope]

I dislike MGTOWs, they have no purpose but to whine. They're like the feminazis, a bunch o whiners.

I do agree that it's a natural consequence to feminism, why? Because when someone is fighting for something, there's always gonna be someone whi will oppose them. It's normal.

[Asker]

You ARE a feminist because you're comparing MGTOWs to feminazis. You are trained to be so politically correct, that there has to be some EQUAL between the sexes.

No.

MGTOWs are doing this because of severe oppression of and discrimination against men based on our sex in modern western society. Feminazis have no facts.

[AleDeEurope]

Mhm I'm such a huuuge feminist and PC... xD nice troll xD

[Asker]

Yeah that's why you're comparing discriminatory & oppressive, Nazi-like behavior to a self preservation movement.

[DodgersGM]

MGTOW is a group of "victims" who enjoy portraying themselves as such. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also, I have to ask: do you think all women are alike? Because I'll grant you, while I'm sure there's quite a few screwy ones out there, there are so many great women who do want equal partnerships. I'm speaking from personal experience here.

Also...

https://youtu.be/w5IOou6qN1o

[Asker]

Men are factually a "group" of victims of severe bias, discrimination and oppression by western society.

Some men are just so brainwashed by feminist agendas that they support this and want to bury the facts.

[HikerDude]

Feminism has made women 100 times pickier about men, because women have no need for men anymore. Men have been reduced to the status of lifestyle accessories, like a BMW Oran expensive pair of shoes. So if you're not in the top 10-15% of guys, you're going to struggle to be anything more than a beggar with women. Most guys with any dignity get tired of that pretty quickly, which is why so many guys use porn and prostitutes to meet their sexual needs.

[Asker]

Feminism hasn't made women picker, being high in the evil dominance hierarchy is what makes women wet. For the sake of all that is good, this must be stopped.

[HikerDude]

No, they're definitely much pickier than they were 40 years ago.

[Asker]

I guess you're right... The reason for this however, would be that women had no power earlier. Thus any man would seem more dominant to them. Today, women are more dominant in society than 90% of men, thus only a small amount make them wet.

But make NO MISTAKE. Women are always looking at the dominance hierarchy and will only select mates who are high in it, and apparently, higher than themselves too.

[Asker]

I would still like proof or statistics to show that women are more picky now. Because I'm not sure I buy that. You are just 23 years old, and you cannot tell me this "from experience". You need to show some data.

48% of divorces in 1975 ended in a divorce, and 52% in 1980. This is because of the sexual liberation which happened in the late 60s. Not because women have changed their fundamental nature.

[HikerDude]

Lol at guys like you and your obsession with "data." Sorry, but attraction and preference aren't quantifiable. Most things that matter in life can't be readily described by all the handwaving statistics you could crib from a math book.

[Asker]

Looking at divorce statistics since sexual liberation, it wouldn't seem like women are more picky today. Also, that was the time when it was considered ESSENTIAL to get married. That's why many people settled.

You must know that.

[Asker]

*are not more

[Riverock]

Yes as every change in society is going to lead to reactionaries being upset with it.

Fwiw, MGTOW applies to men who completely swear off women and while more men are less interested in marriage, that does not mean they've lost all interest in women.

[Asker]

You are misinformed.

[ArtDent]

Men going their own way.

The name itself means you can't define it for another man.

[Riverock]

@ArtDent Fine then. It means nothing.

[Asker]

Basically it means men who aren't getting married due to oppressive/discriminatory society, but by extension, it means you are avoiding women as much as possible due to the nature of women & feminist society.

[Dandeus]

It's a never-ending source of amusement to me that men claiming to "go their own way" and live happy lives free of the misery-that-is-woman spend all their free time on the internet whining about women.

I'm generally not one for schadenfreude, but these guys make it so easy.

[Asker]

Stop being a slave and encouraging whoredom of women...

Stop giving women special treatment. MGTOWs will soon make up the majority of men, and yes, MGTOWs are free to discuss women precisely because MGTOWs have gone their own way.

[_barders]

Well! At least not where im from... Id say they eating the cakes and still having it. I personally have sworn of marriage, cus im starting to think i had a f*cked up childhood. And plus, im a hiphop head so thats another influence...

I honestly think its just a natural course of evolution tho.

[Asker]

That's because in Ghana things are still the way they have always been. Male dominance IS evolution.

Anyway, you are still "catching up" with us... But this isn't the road you want to go down... We didn't know we would be here some day. We should have listened to what men had always said.

[_barders]

And you are from?

[Asker]

The feminist states of America

[chuppachup]

Hmm, maybe. But it's not like feminism is what MGTOW is about. There is a lot of misogynists and anti-feminists in the movement but that's not what the MGTOW philosophy is about.

It's about not participating in relationships or marriage because they believe men are at a disadvantage in those regards. Instead it focuses on self-improvement and not being chauvinistic or anything. That's my take anyway.

[Asker]

MGTOW is mainly about not getting married and to many, staying away from relationships in general.

This is due to oppressive nature of feminist society. But thanks for your opinion

[jacquesvol]

"Oppressive nature of feminist society."
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https://i.imgur.com/r4aHOT4.jpg

But thanks for your opinion

[Asker]

It's not my opinion, it is fact.

You're just ANOTHER woman worshipper. You wouldn't say that to women in the non-western world who complain they are oppressed. You wouldn't even say it to lying feminists in the western world who say they are oppressed. You would just say it to MEN because you are the enemy of equality.

[karahiri]

not really. i think MGTOW is really a bunch of guys who couldn't hack it with women or are afraid of women so now they're just off doing their own thing. i think that makes sense. i would avoid things that scare me too.

[Asker]

They are afraid of oppressive feminist society.

Not women themselves. lol

[karahiri]

hmmm. sure.

[HikerDude]

I doubt you would say anything of the sort about women who've sworn off men.

[Asker]

Exactly.

I also made a very important point in a comment that got deleted by feminist mods. In fact, they have deleted a large number of comments made by me in this thread. Feminists want to police everything and suppress everything that threatens their agendas

[CasaNorba]

hey no offense but "fear" and "repulsiveness" are two different things

[OrdinaryGentleman]

For every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. MGTOW attracts desperate young men like feminism attracts crazy faminazi blowhards. If anyone has the gull to generalize the other side for the beliefs of a few in that group they become ridiculous to me.

[AleDeEurope]

Agreed.

[Asker]

Feminazis have no facts and want to oppress men even more. Even exterminate us!! MGTOWs are backed by facts and are trying to avoid being fucked over.

NO SIMILARITY between the two. How the fuck can you even compare them?

[OrdinaryGentleman]

@asker you are probably part of that group that is screwing mgtow over and giving them a bad image of being complete washouts. you sound like a feminazi to be honest, i am completely calm where as you are writing with the caps lock on to signify you are mad over the internet. get a grip man
@AleDeEurope Its well thought out, that is what gender equality needs, no emotion involved just based on facts. Seems you think that way as well

[Asker]

Troll? You're the one who's giving them a bad image by calling them "desperate" and comparing them to feminazis.

I'm saying MGTOWs are backed by facts, and they share no similarities with the terrorist feminazis

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Sure whatever.

[Anonymous]

It most definitely is.

www.youtube.com/channel/UCTrecbx23AAYdmFHDkci0aQ

This guy is one of my favorites on YouTube now.

[Opinion Owner]

Long intro... real vid starts at 2:15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Kqac0qwgE

[Asker]

lol.

Ohhhh yeahh!!

[Entity]

#markingitsoicanwatchitlater

[ArtDent]

Geez the young woman seems to be wearing whiteface.

[Entity]

What the goddamn fuck? FUCK!

I...

FUCK!

$(#@(*!

[Rainie_]

Well, great. Go your own way without women. Thats up to you. I could care less. Just don't see why some MGTOWs just love to be so vocal about it. Just go, be free, we don't care. Don't wanna marry? Great, good for you 👍🏽
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[Asker]

Most women aren't even answering the question but just spamming...

[Rainie_]

Well if you want my response to it, then I think MGTOWs have always existed. If you think about it, in traditional relationships the male has always been the one who has to financially support the family, and I guess some men don't want that and prefer to be on their own and focus on their own success. Feminists want women to NOT rely on men for financial support, so basically MGTOWs have kind of got it all twisted. As for me I can't take MGTOWs that serious because in my family, my mum is the financial support or the "bread winner" and my dad is the housedad who relies on her money and takes care of the kids.

[Asker]

The whole idea of this website is to answer questions, not to go around spamming other people.

You obviously know NOTHING of traditions and are just spreading lies. Relationships are feminist arrangements in and of themselves, so there's nothing like a "traditional relationship". It's just feminist bullshit.

[Rainie_]

What lies am I spreading? And what part of "traditions" is it that I do not know about?

[Asker]

The idea that men are supposed to "provide for" women. That's like saying it's the duty of men to provide for dogs.

Also the idea of a "traditional relationship" is bogus in itself. Relationships are feminist arrangements, just like dating and modern marriage. It's all shit.

[Rainie_]

Im not spreading anything about the idea that men should provide for women. Like I said in my comment, my mother is the provider in my family so I've learnt to care less about traditional relationships, or "men providing for women" because its bullshit, and I'd rather work to get my own money for a job that I love to do.

And how is traditional relationships bogus? Its existed for thousands of years in almost every part of the world. Its only after feminism that traditional relationships started to become less popular due to women wanting to become independent and go to work, which was not expected of them in the past at all. Would you care to inform me as to what part of our history traditional relationships was not the majority in the last millennia?

[Asker]

Woman is the slave and man is the master. Wife beating is condoned and men are to lock women up in the house. A woman's sole duty is to serve her husband. Women are given off by their fathers (marriage) to a suitable man who asks for them. Women are given NO CHOICE, and they have to take on the name of their new master & bear his children... serve him well... or else

[Asker]

Love, relationships, partnership and all that bullshit is for the movies... And past millennium? LOL this is just how it's ALWAYS BEEN

[XRabbitHeartX]

"Slowly men are wanting nothing to do with women... "

Ironically, I see absolutely none of this in real life..

[Asker]

Most married people are of the older generation. Over 70% of men under 35 are unmarried. A large percentage of these are not cohabiting or in any relationships either.

MGTOW is also increasing in other feminist countries that oppress men, notably South Korea and Japan. In Japan 70% of men identify themselves as "herbivores"

[XRabbitHeartX]

So where is your proof?

[Asker]

I would give you the links, if you were a man. But I doubt you'll do anything good with this information. So I'll just say this...

Google it.

[XRabbitHeartX]

Lol you can't even provide me with links.. So cute.

[Asker]

lol don't tell me google doesn't show it on the very first page... at least... if not the very first result.

[XRabbitHeartX]

Oh i didn't realize the world only existed out of US.. My bad.

And sadly nowhere in the article does it say that that there is a decline of cohabiting or relationships.. None whatsoever. In fact it even says the opposite of what you claim.

"Crouse says the decline in marriage and a corresponding rise in cohabitation"

[Asker]

First off, you didn't acknowledge that 70% of men from 20-34 are unmarried. This shows your noble intentions. Anyway,

I'm talking about the western / feminist world in general. There are similar trends everywhere. As far as the US goes, statistics reported by TIME magazine show that about two thirds of people 18-29 are single, with 16% being married and 14% cohabiting. Cohabitation has remained constant, and slightly declined since 2004, but marriage has declined almost 15% :)

[9mfeo]

Are people delaying marriage into their 30s? I know that people are delaying childbirth into their late twenties and early thirties. Statistics are useless unless fully interpreted.

[XRabbitHeartX]

What is there to acknowledge? That you make things up and then pass it off as the truth when the very article you told me to look at contradicted your very first statement to me.. Nothing you say seems credible anymore after that blunder and truthfully I can't relate in any way to your little rant as I'm from South Africa and the men here aren't nearly as bitter as American men and marriage is still very much common. There are many downsides to living here but our men ain't one of them.

[XRabbitHeartX]

You can't even read or interpet a article properly and then you call women brainless. You are obviously just trolling.

[Asker]

No, there is nothing contradictory. And there is nothing to "interpret". The facts are laid out there... bare naked...

[Asker]

The article is "More 20-Something Americans Are Staying Single, Gallup Report Says".

You're either looking at the wrong article... or you need to specify which "first statement" you're talking about. Because NOTHING is contradictory.

[Asker]

You women are the only trolls, because you deny FACTS. In fact, you women are worse than holocaust deniers.

Since you are from South Africa, there's nothing left for me to say to you.

[XRabbitHeartX]

You didn't want to link me to the article and said I should go to the first one on Google which I did so please. Don't try to change the argument. You still made a false statement that men are somehow in less relationships and not cohabiting which there's no proof of whatsoever.

No one denied facts. There could be many reasons why men aren't marrying but that doesn't mean they aren't cohabiting or in relationships. That also doesn't mean the rest of the world adheres to your US stats. You just can't accept that the men who actually do go their own way are in the minority and resort to insults when you don't get to your way. Very child like and shows you exactly why women don't want to date men like you anyway.

I don't want to date a man child who breeds hate. So please do go your own way as women don't want or need men like you anyway.

[Riverock]

I know there is a group in Japan as he described but I don't think it's nearly as big as he claims and the women in Japan of the same age have similar opinions on relationships as the men.

I do know less men in the western world want to get married than before while for women it's the opposite but that doesn't equate to giving up women all together.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Yea, I fucking hate the illogical argument of "people are not getting married anymore."

That is the most garbage excuse to point to some social trend.
There are probably hundreds of reasons why marriage as an institution is no longer relevant. If you raised the restrictions on marriage I bet a lot more people would get married.

And a lot of men and women are interacting in platonic, romantic, and sexual ways. Men aren't just ignoring women.

A more logical reason a lot of men and women may not be interacting is due to the age of the internet. A lot of guys who don't hang out with women are probably not hanging out with very many guys either. This is due to them socially isolating themselves on the internet.

Correlation does not equal causality.

[Asker]

Your ignorance is none of my concern. IGNORANT and lying FEMINISTS.

Co-habitation has remained constant since 2004, however marriage has declined significantly in the 18-29 age group, and also more than 10% in the 30-39 age group.

[XRabbitHeartX]

Maybe you are the ignorant person considering how you just ignored a male explaining things very clearly for you in the previous comment.

A declining marriage rate doesn't mean men are somehow ignoring women. 16 people could confirm this for me including 6 men.

[Asker]

Yes it DOES mean that. Relationships and even sex are on the decline. Single men are on the rise.

6 men? LOL. I'm talking about nationwide statistics. Numbers DON'T lie.

[Asker]

Again you show that you are a small-brained creature. I'm done with you.

[XRabbitHeartX]

There's no proof whatsoever of any of the claims you make.

You are just angry that women are happy without you and your fellow woman hater gang who are by far in the minority.

[Asker]

haha... you're just too ignorant and full of propaganda to face the facts. You just wanna keep spreading feminist lies.

MGTOWs actually make the majority of men in the new generation. Men are waking up to their oppression and second-class status. Watch it happen!!

[XRabbitHeartX]

I thought you are done with me?

See you can't even stick to your own decisions and then you still want to try to convince me of things that have literally no proof or relevance to daily life. All talk but no action.

There's nothing to watch out for sorry.

[DBAOracle]

Why can't we have a constructive discussion without name-calling? I also hate how people throw labels mindlessly.

"MGTOW basically means men who aren't going to get married." That's just a drop of water in the lake when it comes to what it is about, first of all. Secondly, I'm not planning to get married either. My reasoning of not getting married is because of my fear of divorce. I'm defenseless against divorce once I get married and we'll have to admit that the divorce courts are very unfair towards males plus, the majority of marriages in the USA currently end in divorce.

"many men are swearing off relationships as well." I'm avoiding relationships right now too but not because of some evil female goddess but rather because my last relationship was the kind of relationship I would only wish upon people I really really hate.

So according to the author, I'm a MGTOW. I might be following the concepts in a way but I'm neither claiming the label nor the belief. That's just how life is

[Asker]

Yeah I'm done discussing data with you. I said it in relation to your faulty reasoning.

Now I'm done with you altogether. I don't give a damn if you watch out or not... you will watch it happen!! This oppression must stop and there's nothing you can do that will stop men from waking up to the reality of feminism.

[XRabbitHeartX]

You never discussed data with me. You just made a bunch of statements but couldn't back any of it up.

The only men that will join your little gang are angry woman haters who we didn't want in the first place. It's no loss to us whatsoever.

Bye :)

[Asker]

@DBAOracle "my last relationship was the kind of relationship I would only wish upon people I really really hate"

Learn the nature of women early... men were always right about them... feminism is a lie!! You have been brainwashed since childhood by feminist agendas. You are trained to be a pawn.

Don't avoid marriage just because of divorce. What about social expectations and standards, which are discriminatory and oppress men based on their sex? You should know, that it has been found that women nag their husbands to an early death.

Women are dangerous like sharks, beware!

[AleDeEurope]

It's the GAG phenomenon, the majority here is usually the minority in real life.
XD

[Asker]

Numbers don't lie. Just because the illusion is going till now, doesn't mean squat. This bubble will eventually burst.

[dudeman]

this really is a well known thing. of course men will want to sleep with you you're very pretty but most men do not want to get married anymore.

[XRabbitHeartX]

@dudeman out of all the guys I've met in my life... None of them didn't want marriage so I'd rethink that "many" :)

[dudeman]

you're also very young and of course men would want to marry a girl as pretty as you. pretty women dont have to live in reality. same with rich men.

[Asker]

Blocked.

Another feminist spreading lies.

[Prettygurl12]

The movement is silly.

For one reason:

Men have always been "going their own way" since the beginning of time. You don't label yourself as a MGTOW male. You just label yourself as male and it means the same thing.

[Asker]

No actually marriage has been the way since forever.

[Prettygurl12]

Every single society in the world has a system of marriage. Anthropologists argue that without marriage, society cannot exist.

So... there's that for you.

[Darkfairie17]

Really? I think the MGTOW movement has nothing to do with feminism. It sounds more to me like guys who have had bad experiences and are just choosing to not pursue relationships.

[Riverock]

That's actually pretty much it. Many of them seem to blame feminism for 'ruining' relationships though.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

That is the face of mgtow everyone chooses. Much like how feminazis are the face of feminism. Its the beliefs of a few that govern that way of categorizing it.

[Asker]

"Much like how feminazis are the face of feminism"

You ARE a feminist because you're comparing MGTOW with feminazis... and making things seem "equal" when they are clearly not.

[CasaNorba]

yes that exactly what it is but OP did asked if feminism was at fault for the start of the movement, which quite frankly i think it is. so you are pretty wrong in a way when you say it has "nothing to do with feminsim"

[Anonymous]

It doesn't take a genius to see that MGTOW is a direct result of feminism and the inequities and unfairness to males that has resulted from feminism.

[Asker]

The worst part is that the society claims to support equality... and bashes the non-western world for being unequal in international arenas.

But domestically the ENTIRE male gender is oppressed.

[Opinion Owner]

People are very slow to adjust their thinking on things like this. Most are still stuck in the outdated mindset that women and girls are victims by default and men are perpetrators, despite the fact that a majority of workers AND managers in the west are women, 60% of college graduates are women (yet there are billions of dollars of financial aid available to women only),75% of failing grades in public schools are given to boys, 80% of suicides are males, this list goes on and on.

[Asker]

People are slow because they have been brainwashed since childhood with feminist agendas.

And that feminist society wants to hide the truth, so that the illusion stays, and women remain superior.

[Opinion Owner]

"There is ZERO discrimination against women in the western world"

Well that's clearly not true, but there is more discrimination against men than women.

[Asker]

Okay give one example.

Because I can give you thousands of examples. Sexism only goes ONE WAY in the west, and that is against men.

[Mesonfielde]

I think MGTOW stems from that the institution of marriage and especially divorce is fairly unfair against men. And that many women just aren't worth dating. Combine that and you'll have people who rather avoid the conflict than seek further.

[Anonymous]

I'm a MGTOW
But I find this straight up stupid, from a retard, absurd and disgraceful to the MGTOW philosophy

Like why the fuck should you even mentionin that MeN aRe AvOiDiN wOmEn

By your comments I've observed that you literally know NOTHING ABOUT MGTOW philosophies.

This posts reeks of sheer ignorance, attention and validation seekin (exact thing MGTOW opposes)

Like What the fuck is actually wrong with you?🤦‍♂️
MGTOW's supposed to be like
"Hey MEN, There are better things you can do than wastin your life slaving to women, confirmin to gynocentrism and seeking female validation"
NOT this nonsense you posted

I just hope it's someone who wants to make MGTOW look stupid that's behind your anonymous account, and I suspect this.

You're no fuckin MGTOW

And you're am idiot and a retard at the same time

[9mfeo]

These "men" probably would have thought women were the sum of all evil anyway.

[Asker]

Actually "men" have always known the nature of women, which has now been hidden due to feminism.

[9mfeo]

Which is what? Spineless little fucktoys whose only use is procreation?

[9mfeo]

Cool story bro. Super villains have no remorse.

[Asker]

True...

[Eternallylucky]

You don't need to get married to be with a man long term

[Dipsy]

Why does there have to be a war between genders. Can't we just be friends? We're both human after all, we're the same species, so why not help each other out?

[Asker]

With women there can be no friendship. Hearts of hyenas are the hearts of women.

You'll see what I mean...

[Dipsy]

Wtf dude lol. There are good women out there, most of them are.. Lool

[Asker]

There's nothing like "good women"

[Dipsy]

Of course there is.
Just a question, but have you had bad experience with women?

[Asker]

Only a feminist would think that such things exist.

[MaskedSanity]

Both MGTOWs and feminists are worth each other.

Both movements are comprised of bitter whiny people that long to have more power over the opposite sex.

If you subscribe to either movement, you're a moron.

[Asker]

MGTOW are like feminists? lol, MGTOW have the facts on their side, but feminists have myths and lies

[Asker]

Also notice moderator sexism here, as they would remove anything that is antagonistic or offensive to females.

[Asker]

*but not the opposite

[MaskedSanity]

Butthurt =/= facts. MGTOWs need to get hitched with all the batty feminists and fuck off to an island far away from civilization.

Also, mods will remove anything antagonistic regardless who it's directed at.

[Asker]

"butthurt"

wow. You are just another feminist who is like a holocaust denier. You can't deny the facts... MGTOWs have facts on their side and feminists have nothing.

And no they won't, stop trying to create more illusions

[MaskedSanity]

Look at all this whiny shit you just wrote. You're exactly like a feminist, lmao.

[Asker]

"whiny"

wow. You're just another woman who's insensitive to the humanity of men.

[MaskedSanity]

Replace men with women and you got yourself the feminist mantra. You should ask out Anita Sarkeesian, you two would be a great match. 😉

[Asker]

I repeat: MGTOWs have facts on their side and feminists have nothing.

There is no comparison at all...

[MaskedSanity]

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[Asker]

How can you deny it? Feminist have absolutely no facts, they are just busy spreading bullshit. MGTOWs are always discussing facts, however.

[Asker]

It's the new womens' propaganda to make feminism and MGTOW seem like two opposites and extremes of inequality... this is to mainly discredit MGTOW... but no matter! Men won't stop waking up no matter what tricks you have up your sleeve...

[MaskedSanity]

You're so adorable.😊

[Asker]

Yeah you're just trolling...

[gloriak0974]

Eh. I don't think "oppression" is the right word to use in this case.

[Asker]

of course you don't, oppressive woman

[gloriak0974]

Yes, I have oppressed men in unthinkable ways.
The term "oppression" shouldn't be used so flimsily. In general, I don't think women or men are oppressed in America. If that was so, the word "oppression" would be some degree of meaningless.

[Asker]

Men are severely oppressed. You're just another bigoted woman who wants to keep the illusion going.

This is the NEW REALITY. Women are socially superior in every way... in the name of equality LOL.

[Anonymous]

Bloody hell, this fucking bullshit again... if you don't want anything to do with women, go ahead and ignore them. Stop fucking whinging about it, like the butthurt child you are.
You keep bringing up this so called oppression, but you can never provide a shred of actual evidence of it. Grow the fuck up, you sad, sad little person.

[Asker]

If I were a man and wrote such things against a female in a female post... my thing would instantly be removed for being "offensive" or "antagonistic"

Just another day in a highly sexist society.

[Opinion Owner]

And if I posted the kind of rubbish you keep posting, it would be taken down in a second, because it's hateful propaganda. Get a life.

[Asker]

Saying that men are highly oppressed and discriminated against is hateful propaganda? Will it be removed if a woman posts how oppressed and discriminated women are in Saudi Arabia?

No. Just another day in the sexist western society. Also, I have not seen a man be so abusive to a woman on this website and get away with it. You women can truly get away with anything. There is NO EXCUSE for this sexism.

[Opinion Owner]

Men aren't oppressed. Take a look at oppression through history and compare it. Men like you are just whining because women aren't under your control anymore.
Like I said, you can never provide even a scrap of evidence to support your claim. Your only intention is to spout hate and bullshit. You need mental help.

[Asker]

There is a mountain of evidence that men are severely oppressed... you CANNOT escape the facts.

With the extreme court bias, the manspreading law, men being portrayed as idiots and kicked on the balls as comedy/cheer on TV... it's pretty darn close to Saudi Arabia. Hell men aren't even allowed to vote in America without signing up to die. New laws come out every few months to oppress men, and it's just getting worse and worse.

[Opinion Owner]

If there is a mountain of evidence... then USE IT. Stop making general, idiotic, unsupported statements, and back your arguments up with proof.
None of that is 'oppression', and it is certainly not oppression or sexism committed by women. You're incredibly butthurt over a few simple things, and I think you should probably work out WHY you have a deep seated hatred towards women, instead of blaming them for all of your problems. The only sexist one here is you, and you're repeatedly showing that you're also a bloody moron.

[Asker]

Wow just look at you go on being offensive and antagonistic... while none of your comments gets removed... you could even beat me up in public and nobody would do anything.

But this won't last long. Men are waking up to their oppression. I'm not making arguments, I'm just stating facts.

[Opinion Owner]

I might be offensive, but I'm at least being truthful, instead of calling made up bullshit 'facts', with no evidence.
People like you need people to stand up to you. You're nothing but a bully, and bullies are always the most stupid, and the biggest cowards.
The way you type, and your attitude, suggests that you're actually NOT in the 18-24 age range, and you're probably actually a 12 or 13 year old making a fuss because his mother wouldn't coddle him like a child.
If that's not the case, maybe you should rethink your strategy, because it's making you seem like a child throwing a tantrum.

[Asker]

Actually white-knights and other feminists DO "stand up" to men who ask for equality with women. This is due to heavy indoctrination in modern western society which supports oppression of men, but falsely claims to support gender equality.

And I'm a bully now? This is exactly how women falsely accuse men all the time, when they are ANYTHING BUT victims. Blocked.

[idkwtftoputhere]

probably and MGTOW tends to be filled with bitter whinny people carrying a victim mentality just like so many feminists do. It's all too toxic.

[Asker]

Don't lie, you're a feminist

[idkwtftoputhere]

No I'm not but judging from your responses to other users, I'm just going to take a wild guess and assume that you're either trolling or just extremely stupid.

[Asker]

You're trolling. Tell the truth for once in your life.

Your entire comment screams feminism.

[idkwtftoputhere]

Nah
fillerrrrr

[Robbey]

I think "feminism" has just become a scapegoat for unhappy men.

[Asker]

Men = Oppressed humans of modern western civilization. Second class citizens.

Feminist world = A part of the world that falsely claims equality but discriminates against men based on sex.

[Robbey]

Sweetie, look, just because your mom makes you do the dishes and take out the trash, doesn't mean men are oppressed and women control the world.

It just means one woman is the boss of you. Suck it up or move out.

[dudeman]

women do have more rights than men in the western world. that is the definition of oppression.

[Anonymous]

men dont want to get married because they would rather w*****e around with every thing that walks (not all... etc etc)... but yea let's blame feminism because God forbid a man is ever wrong about something

[Asker]

No men are going their own way because of oppressive laws, social standards and institutions

[EltDark]

No it's not, but no other answer except your own and those agreeing with yours will be correct.

10/10 would feed again.

[Asker]

Actually, almost 75% of men agree with me so far :/

[EltDark]

And?
Doesn't change the fact that you've already formed your own answer and won't listen to anything that objects to it.

[Asker]

Okay then you tell me what it's a consequence of. I'm listening

[Asker]

Maybe the majority agree with me because I am right? lol.

[EltDark]

Maybe some men don't want to get married because it's not cheap?
Maybe some men think marriage is a waste of time?
Maybe some men don't want to get married because they're happy being single?

Like feminism, I don't give two shits about MGTOW enough to study it, but from the sounds of it, it's just a bunch of sourpuss guys who are salty in some way towards females for petty reasons.

[Asker]

Yeah women look at men like cash machines. And yes, it is MUCH better to be single these days.

Why? Because of feminist oppression and oppressive social standards against men. We are discriminated against based on our sex. Is that a petty reason? I think not.

[EltDark]

Figures that I would be correct in the fact that you don't even acknowledge other opinions except your own. Why'd I bother even wasting time trying to argue?

You're getting to be a dull troll now, so I'm gonna be leaving.
Have fun mate.

[Asker]

No I actually agreed with you in that it's not cheap and men consider it better to be single than in a relationship...

Troll? I think anyone who denies the FACTS and calls oppression/discrimination petty is the real troll...

[Stephen10]

Yes, I think that MGTOW is mainly due to the poison of feminism in the Western world. But to be honest, I'm past caring. I have as little to do with Western women as possible and instead focus on living my life. Western women have made their bed.

[Anonymous]

If people don't want to get married or be in relationships, then just don't do it. It's not hard.

[Asker]

It's only hard when brainwashed feminist society is constantly saying that they "feel sorry" or call you "bitter" and say you will "die lonely" in an attempt to put you down and thus get you back in the marriage trap and feminist bubble of reality.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah, so don't listen to other people. Don't need to bring others down to elevate yourself up. Just do your own thing. "Going Their Own Way" is even in the name.

[Asker]

bring others down?

That's something feminism has done. In fact, men are now second class citizens in western society.

[Opinion Owner]

I was talking about people as a whole.

[Asker]

FEMINISM brings others down... MGTOWs have the facts on their side. You can't stop MGTOWs from growing rapidly because men are waking up to their oppression & discrimination in modern, western, feminist society.

[Opinion Owner]

I really don't care about what others do, which is what my whole point of my comment was. Just don't care about what others say, and do your own thing if you are so against it. No one is forcing you to get married or be with a woman.

[Asker]

LOL you just don't want people to know the facts! You want the oppression and discrimination of men to remain hidden, which is why you're no better than a holocaust denier. Feminazi.

"I really don't care about what others do" => "Just don't care about what others say, and do your own thing"

So you're consuming time telling me what to do and you say you REALLY don't care about what others do? Anyway, you're just another woman who's insensitive to the humanity of men. Being FORCED is a bit different from being COERCED by shaming and other horrible tactics... but they are pretty darn close. It also ruins the social environment for people who don't comply.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, you know me so well that you know exactly how I feel and think. I never said I was or wasn't a feminist. You are such a joke. "Meninazi", continue with your misogynistic ideology in life.

[Asker]

Calling for equality is misogyny? A person bringing to light the severe oppression of and discrimination against men is a joke?

Hardcore feminazi. Blocked.

[Anonymous]

I didn't bother reading all of your nonsense. I read some of your responses, and you must be trolling. Too bad you are anonymous, I'd perma-block you, too. Lol "Hardcore femanizi - Blocked." "Another hardcore feminist spreading lies - blocked". Don't ever procreate. The world needs less stupid people. Go your own way, man.

[Asker]

I already am, and so are a rapidly growing number of men... Nothing can stop us from waking up to this horrific discrimination and oppression that's going on in modern, western society.

You're just spamming, being antagonistic and offensive. Of course, nothing will happen to you because you're a woman. You didn't answer the question. Blocked.

[TheOldMan59]

It's more likely the result of ugliness and poor social skills.

[Asker]

No cuz women change their minds when they see a Ferrari

[93stepsawayfromhome]

Not getting married ≠ not wanting anything to do with women.

Marriage is useless, but I'm not swearing off relationships in any way. I know many girls with the same opinion.

[Asker]

Yeah the main thing about MGTOW is not getting married, but many mgtows are swearing off women altogether. It's not that hard to see why

[Anonymous]

Butt hurt males not accepting women as their equals.

[Opinion Owner]

" men are wanting nothing to do with women... "
Closeted gays?

[Asker]

Except sex.

There is NO EQUALITY but instead, an enormous amount of oppression of and discrimination against men.

[Opinion Owner]

There's at least as much, probably more oppression of and discrimination against women.

[Asker]

I'm only talking about the WEST where all oppression and discrimination is aimed at men.

[Waffles731]

No MGTOW is the result of some delusional jackasses thinking wimmins are evil for not dating them

[Asker]

No MGTOW has ever complained about that... I think...

Either way, you've got it wrong

[Ihav2fart]

It's just nature doing its thing. Time is changing and society is changing with it.

[Noxifer626]

It is. It is the consequence of extremely insecure men trying to reaffirm an archaic concept of masculinity.

[Anonymous]

Can U supply us a link to all of your supporting info?

[Asker]

gladly, if some serious men ask for it. Not to women

[Opinion Owner]

Yea what I thought.
U got squat.

[Octavius]

Ok, can you supply us a link to all of your supporting info?

[Anonymous]

MGTOW = Men who discriminate against their own gender (basically other men) and blame it on feminism.

[Asker]

Keep talking... ... MGTOW won't stop growing rapidly

[Opinion Owner]

And they won't stop getting fucked in the ass rapidly

[Asker]

So you fuck men in the ass? O_O

[Opinion Owner]

Not me. The MGTOW men fuck each other in the asses. They might not admit it but they're all secretly gay

[Asker]

Keep talking...

[Opinion Owner]

But you seem to be the only one talking here

[RationalMale]

I think MTGOW actually means men who chose to be celibate, etc.

It doesn't apply to men who date and have relationships.

And personally I'd say a lot of that is just a defeatist attitude.

[Asker]

lol no it doesn't mean that! XD

Like I said, it's mainly to do with marriage, but a lot of men are swearing off relationships as well. This is due to oppressive nature of western society these days.

[Anno_Domini]

Some MGTOWs sleep with women, but that's about all they do with them.

[Asker]

All MGTOWs have sex some time or the other... or they masturbate...

It has got nothing to do with celibacy.

[ConsultantIsBack]

Perhaps.

I just only date feminine women. Manly women I disregard, except for at work. Literally and truthfully.

[Asker]

I don't think your defense of "feminine" women makes much sense considering how brutal, cunning, manipulative, bitchy, false and treacherous these women are.

[ConsultantIsBack]

You sound bitter bro

[Asker]

You sound like you're another brainwashed feminist in denial...

[ConsultantIsBack]

I'm not attacking you, there is no reason to be offended.

[Asker]

LOL I'm just saying it like it is man...

You're a complete feminist.

[ConsultantIsBack]

BC I date women I'm a feminist, you have me do figured out lol.
I'll let you write my biography now😂😂👍

[Asker]

Your comments scream feminism. Don't deny it. You're a feminist

You're also 9xper on this website which is only reserved for feminists.

[ArtDent]

Well, to be fair, 'you sound bitter' is straight out of the shaming language misandry workbook. First edition.

[ConsultantIsBack]

@ArtDent I just think everyone on gag is too oversensitive lol so pugnacious smh

[Asker]

There's no point in denying it now. You're a feminist who's avidly defending the feminist BS you were taught since childhood

[WhatTheHellAmy]

Yeah, many men will stop approaching

[Asker]

Yeah men are even getting sick of having to approach you... it's just another headache

[watcher617x]

you don;t really have to approach if you are pro age gap =p

[Asker]

lol wut

[blondfrog]

Yeah pretty much

[Asker]

MGTOW will continue growing not just in the West, but in all feminist societies that oppress men, including South Korea and Japan.

In Japan over 70% of men are MGTOWs who don't want anything to do with women.

[blondfrog]

MGTOW is bad too though.

[Asker]

It is bad for society, yes. But it is better to be a MGTOW than with a woman these days in the West.

Feminism has caused the collapse of other civilizations too such as Ancient Rome, Babylon, Sparta etc.

[9mfeo]

Women weren't even considered people in those situations. They were property, traded between father and husband. Your knowledge of history is very suspect, Asker.

[9mfeo]

Sorry, situations should read "civilizations".

[Asker]

WRONG.

Feminism happened a century or 2 before the collapse of those civilizations.

[9mfeo]

Right, Rome fell not because their empire was so vast that they couldn't feasibly raise an army large enough to protect it, but because women stopped being chattel.

[Asker]

LOL that's true but why? Rome collapsed due to oppression of men and below replacement birth rate!! READ THE FACTS:

Just before the collapse of Ancient Rome, the family unit is destroyed. Men refused to marry and the government tried to revive marriage with a “bachelor tax”, to no avail. Children were growing up without fathers. The wealth and power of women grew very fast.

3-4 century AD: Roman population declines due to below-replacement birth-rate. The Empire is ungovernable and on the brink of civil war.

After 5th century AD: Falls back into bronze age. Patriarchy returns and solves the problem.

[9mfeo]

Source?

[blondfrog]

can't you two bicker like an old couple somwhere else? lol

[Asker]

She's just an oppressive troll...

[9mfeo]

Asking for proof is oppressive? Cool story bro.

[Asker]

An ignorant troll too...

[Mysterio421]

Funny how the same things that happened in Rome are happening in America. That's a big red flag to me lol. History repeats itself again.

[Asker]

Yeah I just hope it's not too late to stop it.

Rise of women = Collapse of civilization

[Asker]

Male dominance is evolution, and we should not forget this either. Even Charles Darwin taught that women are inferior and closer to animals.

[KENKONG]

What is MGOW?

[Asker]

Read the first sentence of the OP