Are women threatened by MGTOW? Is MGTOW a threat to women?

[Anonymous]

MGTOW (men going their own way) often say how women are so terrible and evil and vile and gold diggers and prostitutes and spread this with other MGTOW members.

i have seen a few women brushing it off by describing MGTOW as "just a bunch of bitter losers, who couldn't get the girl they wanted", "sour grapes" and "guys, who have had maybe 3 sour experiences from the opposite sex and then turned into bitter misogynists".

are women threatened by MGTOW? Is MGTOW a threat to women?

some said they are just being weeded out of the dating pool for good but with all of this misogyny growing proportionally in MGTOW it may not just be "a bunch of bitter losers" anymore.

yes, MGTOW is a threat to women or women are threatened by MGTOW

no, MGTOW poses no dangers to women

actually the women are the threat for MGTOW

as long as the total weight does not exceed the maximum gross takeoff weight threshold nobody is in danger of the airplane crashing

[SirBunBun]

I was curious about their mindset etc one an asked a question titled “what does MGTOW mean to you” on their subreddit.

I stated in the question that I have no problem whatsoever with the concept of MGTOW, but that some of their ideals (woman being insignificant beings lesser in every way to men for example) weren’t ones I could agree with.

I got a bunch of totally normal responses like “I just don’t feel like marrying” etc, and some people lecturing me in over 2000 words on how to never marry and a just straight out disturbing amount of hatred to anything female. Once I mentioned to him I’m female (didn’t really mention it) his advice turned into bitter hatred, saying things like “have fun riding the cock carousel”.
Whilst I was genuinely trying to understand him in the most empathetic way I could barely minutes ago.

So as anything else, I think it depends on the individual.

And to answer your question, no. I do not thing woman are threatened by MGTOW. Most probably haven’t ever encountered it in real life.
But that too depends on the individual I think.

[Asker]

Nice response.

It's those guys, who i have talked about (those, who said to enjoy riding the carousel) when i said that some of them are bitter misogynists.

This demonstrates why i can't agree with them most of the times.

[SirBunBun]

True. Though I can’t stress enough that there where very friendly MGTOW members who where willing to talk to me and just low key discuss a bit as well.

I agree that person was bitter to the bone. I tried to sympathize with him but I gave up after he replied with paragraphs dreched in utter bitterness multiple times

Obviously I couldn’t really agree with him either...

[Asker]

This is why i call those also a bunch of bitter losers.

Exceptions to the rule still apply.

[Canuckto]

MGTOW on reddit is for men only so if you make comments you're going to get roasted.

[steckepferd]

It's very nice that you are empathic and that you to try to understand them. When I imagine daddies, who lost everything in court, also their children. And then having to work and pay without seeing them or without the possibility to take care of them (custody mostly goes to women, even when fathers would be fit for it or would like the children to live with him). Then I can understand bitterness. On the other hand this does not mean that all divorces or breakups are like this or that women are bad. I am a daddy and having your children taken from you must feel like getting your heart ripped out (every day!), don't forget that when you judge these people.

[joeblow123]

@SirBunBun

The word "sir" is misleading. If you are using that screen name on other websites he probably thought you were a man. When you revealed you were a woman he may have felt deceived and responded the way he did. If I came to GAG and saw the word "sir" in it I would expect it to be in blue font.

[MzAsh]

These men have no business bothering women anyway. I’m glad they are choosing to stay out of the way. Some of them aren’t so bad but others are so out of their damn minds that there’s no therapy in the world that could fix what they’ve got going on. It’s best they just leave ladies alone.

[Anonymous]

When you ask a question like this, it gets filtered through the ego and emotion. Look at the responses. The first one immediately talks about misogyny, and the rest are mostly shaming attempts. The funny thing is, it's the same every single time anyone mentions Mgtow.

When you take a look at what happened with Japan, you can bet all of those at the top wish they could turn back the clock and have true understanding of the root cause as to why so many men felt that way. But they probably did the same thing you see in the comments and now their birth rate is at the lowest and their entire economy is screwed.

If one day I discovered a whole lot of the women I adore were deciding to avoid the majority of us, I'd be open to know why but that takes going beyond ego.

[Asker]

I kind of like your kind of unbiased statements.

[RolandCuthbert]

I think MGTOW is a bigger threat to men.

[BogeyMulligan]

It does it put them to even at greater risk of having low self esteem.

[CoffeeWC]

Only the extremists pose a threat, same goes for feminists.

[sugarette]

Feminists aren't exactly extremists by nature. I think you mean the radical feminism branch.

[CoffeeWC]

@sugarette I know that. I was only saying extremists of both feminism and MGTOW.

[CoffeeWC]

There will always be people who go overboard.

[sugarette]

Oh, sorry. Extremes are never good whatsoever.

[sugarette]

I hope those people stay a minority then. Usually it's the case.

[nahbronah]

Here's some quotes, from MGTOW forums and youtube videos:

The reason I find the group disturbing is all the hatred directed at women. Maybe most MGTOW men aren't online posting misogyny, labeling us all the same. They group single mothers, older women, younger women, etc. into the same category. Single mothers should be ashamed, feminists are ruining society, we're crazy, children (not just childish), can't be trusted, some even say not to talk to us at all. That's my issue with it. I don't care if I don't get to sleep/mate/be with a man who looks down on me for my sex.

I know why they fear us, but i don’t really care. Trying to understand the way a female brain works is not much different from trying to understand how a turnip thinks. If you steer clear of them and their traps, it’s a non issue what they think about you.

But again, sex is the only weapon women have.
MGTOW deny them that power. Another reason they hate us.

Once you understand they are all gold digging c~~~s the answer to these kinds of questions is simple.

They fear us because they’re afraid you’ll tell her boyfriend what we all already know…she’s a slut!

“Excellent replies.” to all the above comments
I think MGTOW makes women anxious about resources. Women are used to easily extracting resources from men. Women know we are not interested in buying them things. This also p~~~es them off.
Women love to show off their beasts of burden to the hive. Women seek approval from the hive.
Women can’t brag to their hive about how much they extorted from us.

I don’t see it as fear. Just spoiled children not getting their way and then realizing they never will get their way.

From a Reddit Post:

Women claim they’re abused. Women also claim they love you and that you’re the father.
When they’re asked for specifics of the abuse, women immediately begin walking back their claims. Suddenly, they’re not talking about physical abuse – although they sure as hell wanted you think it was physical abuse when they made their initial claim. Suddenly, it’s just verbal abuse.
Then, when you ask for more specifics, you realize that verbal “abuse” occurred when some man merely disagreed with them, called them on their s~~~, or had enough of the constant nagging, whining, and bitching to tell the women in question to shut the f~~~ up.
To a women, asking for a little peace and quiet is “abuse”.
Women claim they’re abused because it creates the drama they so desperately c

[Bananaman177]

The only reason why it's a "threat" is because it's a rather huge percentage of men and it's actually growing quite rapidly.

It's easy for these women to think of ONE guy who's MGTOW and dismiss him, but that's just it, it's hundreds of millions of men worldwide, and lots of men who don't self-identify as MGTOW are still exposed to their ideas and arguments online.

Women, on the other had, have their own propaganda, and so they are almost never exposed to any MGTOW ideas or arguments, just a feminist version of them that's been edited for their consumption. So their responses and counter-arguments are completely ineffective because they're responding to strawman arguments, not the arguments men are hearing.

I don't think MGTOW are really a threat to women, they're more of a threat to the economy because they aren't chasing after women, which means they don't need a job, a car, a house, a phone, or pretty much anything more than the bare necessities like food and water and electricity. You can't power a society or civilization when more than half of all the working-age men have no hope and no hope of ever having any hope.

So women can go ahead and dismiss MGTOW now, but their children will grow up in a shattered economy and a shattered world.

[sodaa_popp]

MGTOW don't generally consist of men that women perceive as "high value" anyway, so not necessarily.

Maybe my knowledge of MGTOW is limited, but I haven't understood MGTOW to necessarily be guys who think all women are evil/vile. Rather, these are guys who understand that many women tend to be hypergamous by nature, and are not willing to pursue any legally-binding relationship with a woman for fear of the risks.

An old buddy of of mine now lives out the philosophy of "going his own way" after his wife left him for another man. She would never marry the guy she left him for though because she was making bank on alimony payments from the husband she cheated on. He's a self-made multi-millionaire, having worked long hours to build his fortune, and yet half of his assets go to his ex-wife, and he's financially bound to her for life so long as she doesn't legally marry again.

Where the family and divorce court system largely appears to favor women based on the stats, I can understand why the MGTOW philosophy can appeal to men who have been or are afraid to get screwed over.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure how I can be threatened by individuals who want nothing to do with me as a woman. They literally don't want to have any type of relationship, friendship or otherwise with me, and so be it.

There is the guy who just wants to be single and do his own thing, and then there is MGTOW, which is the extreme arm of that sentiment. I can't respect anyone who doesn't see or judge a person by their individual character and merit, vs. just lumping them all together having never met literally millions of them, and claiming they are all one way. We call those people in any other circumstance, -phobic, -ism, or -ist because their rationale and anger towards so many is misplaced and not based on fact. You can be upset over a woman who broke your heart, or a mother who didn't love you, or the girlfriend that cheated on you, but judging me, by what someone else did, and locking yourself away from ever knowing another woman and deciding on prostitutes really is a personal issue and a risky way to live that bares no threat to my relationships with everyday guys who want to someday further the species, be a good friend, or just be social and go out on dates and have fun.

[Canuckto]

Clearly you haven't seen society as a whole has gone down in morals. Being a slutty single mom is celebrated.

[Opinion Owner]

@Canuckto By whom is that celebrated by? People have been saying society has gone down in morals every single decade. MGTOW can point the finger at all women as the cause of this, and yet, what if I were to point to the MeToo movement and the years for which sexual harassment and treating women as property was tolerated and even celebrated or point the finger at an ex boyfriend, and start labeling all men as pigs because of those few? We could go back and fourth all day, but at the end of the day, there are those of every sector of life who are "bad," but blaming every one for the few and worse, dedicating your life to that blame and that hatred IS a personal issue rather than anything based in reality.

[Anonymous]

I chose women are a treat to MGTOW. I believe it isn't just MGTOW but all men really. They just want so much out of society and the government thst it is to much. I get they want equality but they don't actually want it to be equal. They want more power then men and in all honesty they are getting it. It isn't fair. They ask for this 50/50 spit shit but they don't put the effort in for it to be 50/50 they just wanted it handed to them. And the sad thing is the government and businesses are giving it to them.

This can only last so long tho before it just collapses. Either the government and businesses are going to realize giving women this special treatment doesn't benefit them ad they would like since these women never actually worked for it. Or men are just going to have enough and work for their power back. If this is the case it could get messy and probably violent. Honestly I think you can already see it with things like MGTOW becoming more popular, more men being misogynistic, and recent attacks directed at women. This is men saying they have enough of this feminist, female empowerment bullshit. Because in all honesty it isn't fair. Men are having enough of it and are finally willing to show how upset they feel that women are getting treated better then them in most aspects of life. And most without even having to put an effort in. That and women are just changing in other ways that men just don't like. So we honestly care less for them since they are no longer what we knew and loved. They turned into these self absorbed, entitled bitches who think life owes them something and will play the victim and paint men as monsters to get what they want. It's complete and utter bullshit. So way I see it more power to men. Brothers reclaim you position at the top. We tried being fair and equal for their benefit at a lose to us. But that wasn't good enough for them they wanted more. So take it back, one way or another.

[sugarette]

I don't agree with certain political beliefs that people hold, but you don't see me justifying their murder. You're just saying that it's okay for a guy to kill women because he's unsuccessful with them. What the fuck.

[Asker]

@sugarette Elliot Rodger alikes exist plenty enough.

[Opinion Owner]

@sugarette Woah! Where did I say that? I think you are putting your own subtext in there. At no point did I say anything about killing. I did mention violence but that was in the context that it has already happened, as someone mentioned Elliot Rodger. The dude was a nut job but something drove him to it. The fact that he wrote a manifest on how he felt the world was showed he had a deeply seeded motivat. Sure he was nuts and took it way to far but a nice few men seemed to agree with him some even talking highly of him. So those feelings are clearly there among men. So what is causing them? Why do they seem to be growing? If you ask these men most will say it has to do with how modern women are and how men are currently treated in society.

So just that we are clear I don't condone or wish for violence or killing women. That doesn't mean I don't think men as a whole should stand up for themselves. Women are so united currently which is why they are gaining so much power.

[Opinion Owner]

@sugarette Men need to unit the same way. They need to do this to show support for one another and to show women we aren't ok with how we have been treated or how a lot of women act is not ok. And yes men can sick it to women and make their life hell in other ways besides violence or killing. This is needed to show women that they one should be great full of the progress that have and are making. And two that men are not willing to be walked over or treated unfair or unequally in the name od equality for women. If women want superiority treatment and claim it is in the name of equality. Men should say fuck that if you don't want to be equal we don't need to play by these rules anymore and just do as we please and fuck your equality.

That's what men want. Women to be sensible in what they consider is equality. Because some women think us men have it all and it great but we don't. Men are trying to help women but women in return are just trying to walk all over men. They want it all.

[sugarette]

I might've made a misunderstanding then, it happens. Sorry about that. I'm confused as to what you mean by "how women have treated men" though.

[DogEatsCat1973]

It allows the slave to leave the plantation and instead of being only as valuable as your dollar amount in your bank account and wondering if she will beat you and you have to take it or maybe this time she will kill you like the trash she sees you as since men are as disposable as tampons to women. It tells men they are good, and deserve human treatment, and to pull yourself out of the female world that daily talks about how to rape men and use the child to put him in jail and get money from him the rest of his life, or the thousands of kill all men tweets, posts, and videos that come out daily. Mgtow takes all the worshippers out of the church of vagina and let's them be free men who no longer need to live in fear of women. This threatens women because no slave owner ever said "Oh well I guess it is time to set my slaves free.". Instead slave owners fought to keep slaves so now women are fearing loosing the one kind of human being that is okay to treat like a tool to use and throw away (sometimes as a corpse).

[Anonymous]

This is what I have read from mgtow articles. It seems to me that it is all about the avoidance of marriage because it is apparently very easy for the women to take advantage of the system and leave the man in a worse position than he was before the marriage. They see no point to put money, time and emotional energy into something when he knows all that can be taken from him at the whim of a woman who doesn’t love him anymore because divorce cases massively favor women. Also, if the woman becomes abusive, the man will most likely not be able to get help because people will assume he did something to deserve it and he can’t fight back because she will turn it around on him to make him look like the abuser. I don’t agree with most of these but those are a few examples I have read. These a probably men who have been taken advantage of way too many times in this way. They don’t seem to be of any threat to women but until something is done about it they will continue to see marriage as a trap.

[englisc]

No, not really. Very few men will "go MGTOW". And while I don't think that it's always the case, a lot of them are undesirable men anyway so women wouldn't have noticed them anyway.

A lot of them have this idea that their numbers are growing and that they're somehow getting revenge on women by not marrying, they think that eventually so many men will refuse to marry or get into relationships that they'll become desperate and that this will give men the upper hand - this is pure fantasy. That will never happen.

[Asker]

Men are too horny and women are just too damn attractive 😂

[BrittBratt2416]

Meh, if they don't wanna date women then thats just fine and dandy. Broken promises don't need to be dating and a lot of those dudes are heartbroken men who need self assurance and love. But hey, their going their own so no harm there. But yes I see a lot bitterness and anger from that group man, it's... wild.

[BrittBratt2416]

Sometimes they really do be acting like the male version of erratic feminists

[AdmiralBailey]

So you have no sympathy for them. The most tactful thing you can say is "wild". Bitches ain't shit

[BrittBratt2416]

@AdmiralBailey you better be referring to yourself. Sympathy for what? It's their choice and lifestyle, if they want to take themselves out of marriage or dating then cool.

[AdmiralBailey]

Do you ever think that men are upset that women beg to get married but then 70-80% of divorces are initiated by women? Lesbians also have a higher divorce rate than gay men. Women are the issue

[BrittBratt2416]

@AdmiralBailey actually both are the issue, because no one knows how to communicate in relationship anymore so they just take the easy road out. Also a lot men tend stay in unhappy relationships were as women think it's best to separate ways. Also again what's the issue, why even worry about marriage and divorce when you're suppose to be going your own way... remember?

[AdmiralBailey]

Listen, bitch. When did I say I was MGTOW? So you're saying that women don't know how to communicate and take the easy way out by divorcing? So how is MGTOW wrong?

[Asker]

Some of them are just a bunch of bitter and whiney losers. But at least natural selection does it's job. I say it works pretty good. What you and i see is the process. Everything is in order.

[BrittBratt2416]

@AdmiralBailey okay you don't need to be an asshole., and since you're being supper supportive of mgtow, you can across as one of them. The fuck you getting that from, where did I say? Again where the fuck did I say mgtow is wrong? Did you not read what I said? I said their going their own way so no harm done. Don't act like a duck next time

[BrittBratt2416]

*dick

[Syrian_survivor]

Duck*
🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆

[BrittBratt2416]

@Syrian_survivor well yeah I guess that works lol kindles auto correct is great sometimes

[Syrian_survivor]

@BrittBratt2416 Haha true ^_^
Have a wonderful day m8 ur fookin amazin 👌

[BrittBratt2416]

@Syrian_survivor thanks

[Canuckto]

I'm not heart broken. The effort isn't worth it that is all.

[BrittBratt2416]

@Canuckto if you want to give up dating then that's fine. That's just you and no harm done.

[Syrian_survivor]

If she breathes
She's a thot

[BrittBratt2416]

@Syrian_survivor lol okay kid

[Syrian_survivor]

It's a meme
Respect wamen

[Canuckto]

You idiots whine about MGTOW lol It is too funny. I'm have been going my own way for almost 32 years. It's just too easy to get women into bed if I wanted to. Unfornately many of these women are already in a relationship or marriage. North American bring nothing to the table other than sex. At least German women do go dutch and Chinese women will cook and clean without asking.

[AdmiralBailey]

@Canuckto fuck yeah boss

[BrittBratt2416]

@Canuckto claiming your going your own way but still need the company of a woman

[AdmiralBailey]

we're done here

[BrittBratt2416]

@AdmiralBailey lol bye

[Canuckto]

I need a company of a woman? I haven't in 18 years. most women are too boring for company.

[BrittBratt2416]

@Canuckto Okay, cool.. good for you no problem with that.

[Syrian_survivor]

@BrittBratt2416 isn't boring for company at all :3

[Canuckto]

@AdmiralBailey MGTOW doesn't look for sympathy.

[Canuckto]

@AdmiralBailey Women expect men to buy them $5000 to $10 000 engagement ring to marry. That itself is a red flag.

[AdmiralBailey]

@Canuckto Yes. They would never spend that kind of money on a man

[Syrian_survivor]

I would 🌚🌚🌚

[AdmiralBailey]

@Syrian_survivor I mean women would never spend that money on a man

[Syrian_survivor]

I know but i would 😉 (get the joke >.>)

[AdmiralBailey]

@Syrian_survivor LOL OHHHH you're SPEAKING OF FEMALE ESCORTS

[Syrian_survivor]

Mayyybe 😂😂😂

[AdmiralBailey]

@Syrian_survivor DON'T TELL NOBODYhttps://www. youtube. com/watch? v=CfVdoAXwW3o

[AdmiralBailey]

@Syrian_survivor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfVdoAXwW3o

[smolfish]

I said women were threatened, but I want to clarify. Women don't feel threatened by men who don't want to date them. Women feel threatened by men hating them for no reason. Having a movement for men who have never even met you to make the worst kind of assumptions about you is potentially dangerous to women if they decide to act on their anger.

[_Gecko]

Ah... Exactly... like feminists hate and attack men for either no or ridiculous reasons right?

[SirBunBun]

@_Gecko both parties aren’t being reasonal in my opinion

[dandiecandie]

No girl we are never threatened because even MGTOWs marry and fall in love in the end and realise that they have been through women who were able to expose their short comings in order for them to learn and grow and become a better person. But until then all we havw to do is ride it out.

[debi2622]

Depends on your own perception of the person you are with. Sometimes after a breakup it is easy to point fingers or lay blame. Sometimes it is not very accurate at all. Sometimes it is exactly correct. Depends on the legitimacy of the accusation. Some people get a rep that they don't deserve.

[joeblow123]

@debi2622

"Some people get a rep that they don't deserve."

That is very true for men who are falsely accused of sex crimes.

[jaimecoucher]

In theory there's nothing wrong with it. I mean everyone should be free to just not date or swear off women/men. The problem is only when that manifests as hatred towards women. Misogynists are a threat to women, however I don't know enough about MGTOW to say that they're a largely misogynist group, or even how prevalent they are. I've never met someone who calls themselves a MGTOW in real life.

[Canuckto]

Redpill rage. Criticism of women is not misogyny.

[bolverk]

MGTOW updated term for a confirmed bachelor, they do not hate women far from it , they just do not wish to have a close personal relationship at this particular moment, this is not set in stone it depends if they meet someone they feel they are compatible with.

Those who identify as MGTOW and are extremely vocal and come across as misogynous more than likely has just come though a painful divorce and their emotions are raw, they are missing their kids and probably feel as though every women on the planet is trying to crush them this is an understandable. Their attitudes will probably improve over time but as all people are different there is no way to give a time scale for this to happen.

People think that MGTOW is one homogeneous movement, it isn’t, each man goes off on his own track they are all individuals responsible for themselves and no one else, this is why feminists have a problem dealing with it as there is no one target to aim at.

[LionKing65]

bolverk: Somehow, my attitude doesn't change much month to month when I cut the ex a check for $5,500 each time... And she receives this cash tax free according to federal law, yet I have to pay it out of my after tax income. Sounds like a freaking great deal doesn't it? Yeah... I will have an attitude change when my brain function ceases at the point of my death.

[Anonymous]

There are tons of misogynistic men out there and tons of sexist men hating women. These people should get together and have a war of the century while all the normal men and women hang out and have fun with each other.
On that note, extreme feminists should leave men alone since they hate them anyways. Somehow they always end up with nice guys and drive them insane.

[Asker]

Hahaha, that would be quite a freak show. I'll bring some popcorn 🍿 when that happens.
Good idea!

[Soteris]

MGTOW is pretty stupid in my opinion and honestly if a guy resorts to that then I doubt he would be capable of having a harmonious relationship in the first place. Nothing of value was lost.

[Asker]

Well said sir!

[Iamagoodguy]

Atualy a lot of men lose everything and become mgtow from the rigged system

[Soteris]

@Iamagoodguy Rigged system?

[Iamagoodguy]

U lose so much more than u should by the way I’m not mgtow so I only have a basic understanding

[Soteris]

@Iamagoodguy What do they lose and how is it rigged?

[Iamagoodguy]

https://youtu.be/V4rkFaii9Hw

[Soteris]

@Iamagoodguy... You really think that is the problem here? I mean dont get me wrong there is very much a bias when it comes to custody of children in court but that is not the reason for MGTOW.

[Iamagoodguy]

For a most people it is

[hellacray]

MGTOW ain't doing shit.

It's not a threat to women and women are not threatened.

It's a stupid movement where men complain.

I mean if you want to go your own way that's cool. Just stop nitpicking everything about women.

[Asker]

This is kinda true.
Real MGTOW don't complain about women all the time 🙄 they're busy going their own way

[tartaarsaus]

Let's be real here, MGTOW doesn't form a remotely significant blip of the dating scene.

Most people would like to be in relationships with others, or at least not as bitter.

No, MGTOW is definitely not a threat to women on a grand scale. They are way too small to form a significant part of the population pool to do so.

That is, unless the MGTOW go on killing sprees like Elliot Rodgers and Alek Minassian.

[tartaarsaus]

I'll retract that last sentence. Never will there be enough mentally deranged people like Rodgers and Minassian to commit those acts to form a danger for women as a whole

[Canuckto]

That's why women are paying thousands of dollars to learn how to get a man. lol These same women are too cheap to go dutch but will throw money at worthless dating coaches.

[Canuckto]

MGTOW goal is prevent ending up in prison. To shoot men and women and end up in prison is stupid, no woman is worth that.

[tartaarsaus]

The statistical likelihood of ending up in prison because of a woman and a false rape allegation are pretty much naught.

[Billyscotter]

I’ve read a couple MGTOW articles, when I was involved with a girl with a personality disorder, and it helped prevent my self esteem from getting chewed up.

The articles I read weren’t woman-hating, but they identified the games that women with personality disorders play.