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Is Feminism the Enemy of Romance? (Page 2)
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An interesting note somewhat on subject... In ancient Rome, towards the end, they had a "feminist" movement, wasn't called feminism but much of their ideologies were similar. It lead to men opting out of dating, family, children and society in general. They spent their time pursuing a life of leisure instead, it got so bad that Rome made all kinds of laws to punish or penalize being a bachelor but it had little to no effect, the damage had already been done. Just another of the many reasons Rome collapsed.
This whole thing really irks me. This was completely about you getting things you want. Absolutely none of this addressed how men feel and what men want. Do you realise that? You seem condescending; a trait just as capable of killing romance and banishing respect.
People romanticise things in different ways, often very true when comparing men and women. I think you need to stipulate a definition for "romance." I'm bracing for a very narrow and gynocentric view of romance...
"The chase" is terrible. If sex is easy to acquire that doesn't make it bad and this idea that playing hard to get is going to revive your definition of romance (whatever it is) seems absurd and offensive. Again, no taking in account of how men feel.
Playing hard to get makes me respect you less. Expecting me to chase makes me respect you less. Trying to convince me that you "deserve it" means you probably don't, and telling me you're "worth it" makes me doubtful you are.
Thank you... This is so right. I don't know why she included feminism... It has nothing to do with the crazy point she was trying to make.
No offense but if you're in a nightclub you shouldn't expect people to treat you as nicely as they would in say... Not a nightclub. All of the men at nightclubs are just looking to get laid easily.
Unless you find a traditional woman like yourself, what's the incentive for men to date? I like to refer to it as hay in a needlestack, because that's how it feels. Other than have sex regularly there isn't anything that you do with a girlfriend that you couldnt do single now.
Sure I want to get married and have kids eventually but at what expense?
i agree with this take
I love the feeling of being romantic and sweeping her off her feet, although sometimes, i feel as though girls my age won't appreciate it :/
i used to serenade, write poems, leave notes, buy pastries and flowers... because i enjoyed the idea of romance so much!
All the stories i hear about m father, are those of him, doing these things for my mom, and i want to do like my father did, and be romantic with a woman, who is worth it
:) some of us love that sort of thing!
Haha that's why I tend to like talking to girls who are a bit older than me
Some girls my age are less receptive to romantic gestures
They find it too much or it makes them feel uncomfortable... I don't know
Just gonna keep being a hopeless romantic until I meet the girl who appreciates that sort of thing
Wow why would ANYONE pass you up?
THAT'S RETARDED!!!
You're like those fan fiction guys!!!
That's I fan girl over!!
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I'm sooooo sorry typos 😊
*for the typos
(man I'm embarrassing myself 😅😌😅)
@SweetAndSassy14 haha 😍😍😍😍😍
Thanks for cheering me up!
Don't worry so much about the typos I get it 😊
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Exactly. This is why I won't date a feminist. I'd rather not end up spending the rest of my days fighting and arguing over nonsense and disagreeances all the time.
"Feminists" are self-entitled, mean spirited bitches. They're unapproachable and intimidating. They think they're queens. They are ice queens.
You're generalizing. There are extremists in every "group". Of course extreme feminists are the loudest. But I'm a feminist who also plans on staying home with my children when I have them. I support equality, which means talking about men's issues as well.
@SparklingFirefly Feminism is the opposite of "Equalism"
@SparklingFirefly I guess you missed my inverted commas huh?
No, feminism is defined as promoting equality for all genders. Look up the definition. Unfortunately a lot feminists ruin the cause. And it doesn't help that even the word itself sounds female shifted.
@SparklingFirefly what do you have to say about how you accused me of generalizing? I put feminists in inverted commas to show that I meant the women who identify as feminists but do not carry out the definition of the word.
Don't date feminists... just don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0I would have lost it... know way I could keep my cool haha
@NovaLS For real. It's a huge problem that they aim to shut down things aimed at helping men. Then they ironically ask where all the good men are when they're the ones shutting down events aimed at helping men.
How the last guy was able to maintain his composure is a mystery to me. If an imbecile was all up in my face, invading my personal space, I would've lost my temper and punched her in her classless mouth.
I would've given it to that chick calling ol boy "scum". Long dick style.
@awesome93 I don't know. I'd imagine it was very difficult. It is very clear this is a hate filled movement they are pushing. I would never want any association with psychopaths like these.
I feel the exact same way except that I don't identify as a feminist. I will take care of my guy and he will take care of me. I have no problem cooking for him, but when I ask him to chop some lettuce, I expect him to do it out of respect for me and our relationship. I don't require him to pay for every dinner, mostly because we've been together for 3 years and I have my own money, but he is a gentleman enough to do so and I am so grateful for that. We just try and make each other happy.
What does someone else deciding to have a one have to do with you or your view of feminism. And sibling rivalry is very common I doubt you'd see anything different amongst most brothers or sisters.
I do not think feminism, idled anything. I'd date a feminist I'd never however date a traditionalist.
Men are not feminists so don't worry about dating one
Actually I would date an equalist not a feminist nor a traditionalist
... Just a guy who loves me for me...
Feminism is not about equal rights. It's about special rights for women. It's about women who want male privileges but not male responsibilities. Egalitarianism is about true equality between genders.
Do yourself and the world a favor and please call yourself something else than a feminist.
no, feminism has been twisted by those females who want that, how about you ask those people to stop calling themselves feminists and start calling them what they are... bigots
Feminism is a euphemism for man-hating (and disrespecting men) under the disguise of "equality". So, most men are not interested in feminists.
Unfortunately I have to agree here
Thanks. I would really like equality for men and women, but not feminism.
You're confusing feminism with misandrism.
@carpediem93 No, absolutely not. Whatever the definition is, that's BS and we don't care. What's in practice is what matters. There is more than enough evidence about what all these feminists are doing. Don't tell me feminism is equalism -- that's a big lie.
And I also know that telling truth will gather many haters. I shall take it as a compliment! XD
Your comment is really confusing me. How do you know that misandrism is "BS" even though you never cared enough to look it up. I think feminism is needed because females are seen as the lesser gender, and we are seen as incapable and less efficient the males, and feminist are suppose to be about equality for all of those things, even though some of the feminists are kinda stupid about it and go off treating men wrong giving them a bad impression on what a feminist is. I'm not trying to change your mind about feminism, but I'd just like to mention that.
@basinodim
Men are treated as expendable in society so the whole argument that women being seen as a the lesser gender is false. If Feminism was about equality it would be called humanism instead. Only men have their genitals mutilated at birth in western culture, why aren't feminists up in arms about that if it's all about equality? Why aren't feminists fighting for men's rights too? Feminism only furthers one gender's goals while ignoring the other, that is NOT equality.
Feminism is based on double standards, they want all the good things that men have and want keep all the benefits they have now over men. That is not equality, in fact it promotes inequality.
@basinodim You're probably looking up definitions and saying. I'm saying from my life experiences and have gone through these double standards. In my country, a lot many are feminists and too many double standards are in practice. So, if you want to know, look up details about this shitty law -- IPC 498 A -- which is still in practice (because of many feminist politicians justifying it). According to this, if a women simply complains about dowry, then without even a single evidence, the husband as well as his whole family can be arrested and put in jail for at least 5 years (and he loses job, his life gets spoiled etc.). And it becomes the responsibility of victim to prove his innocence. And more than 95% of the cases were false complaints where women misused it to threaten men and extort money. And many innocent men have committed suicides due to this and still continue to do (they probably never even knew about all these shit, otherwise, they wouldn't have married).
Now, where is that "equality" in feminism? Is it because we were born with a penis that we have to suffer all this? Feminism was responsible for making such unfair laws (and there are still feminists who try to justify it, and that's why it's still in practice).
This is a good take and I think addresses a lot of the confusion both men and women are going through at the moment, caught between two sets of gender roles. It is a complicated and confusing time for dating, but that just means we have to treat people on a one by one basis, and not just all women as women or men as men.
if that even makes sense... not sure how else to say it...
Agreed. Humans all want the same things, men happened to be the stronger ones so they were in power for awhile, but women would just as happily treat men poorly given the chance. If said person can borrow the protection via titling themselves ''feminist'' and undermining the work of real feminists then that's what they'll do.
Feminazis are just nazis who happen to identify as feminists... shitty people do shitty things. Their political identification has nothing to do with their rottenness... They're like religious fundamentalists. Only meaner and with more control over society. While, I believe that marriage is poison for men and women, I'd rather be married to an entitled bitch, than participate in meaningless promiscuity and risk STDs and false rape accusations
I see what you mean, although I think you can be a total feminist and still be a 'lady'. Feminism is about equality- so the men and the women have equal say and responsibilities in the relationship.
The women you describe above may identify as feminists, but their ideas are really aligned with the true essence of feminism.
Therefore, I can't say romance and feminism are enemies, it's just getting the balance right ot make them work.
"Look at me! I'm so much better than all those *other* girls!" <--- what you sound like
Agreed. Humans all want the same things, men happened to be the stronger ones so they were in power for awhile, but women would just as happily treat men poorly given the chance. If said person can borrow the protection via titling themselves ''feminist'' and undermining the work of real feminists then that's what they'll do.
@E-Nigma yep. All humans are terrible. Hopefully some more balanced species will take over for us. We have no idea what we're doing.
So much yes to this comment.
"I'm a feminist, but I'm a GOOD feminist unlike those monkeys".
LOL
I think its more about worrying how to treat women. Most of my experiences with feminism has been with the extreme, the man hating, and the "equality/supremacy" type. It has made we weary of women in general because I have no idea what to act like. If I compliment her will it piss her off? Will she get mad at me wanting to help? Does she see me as less? Luckily I found a sensible girl to be with, but the man-hating supremacists are still part of my daily life.
Women are claiming to be feminist all the time, no matter what they believe in... yet almost all politicly active "feminist" are not really feminists in the sense the dictionary defines as being a feminist.
Bitchy behaviour is however more predominant amongst those claiming to be feminists, here on GaG at least.
I believe Feminism parallels Islam. In both Ideologies, the most extreme form is the authentic expression. In both ideologies, adherents are willing to employ deception to advance their cause but inevitably will shed the veneer of reasonableness and expose true character. I believe both have the earmarks of mental Illness and must be isolated and quarantined. Both are nearly uncurable. In the end, neither can be trusted.
I liked your comment by accident thinking it was the reply button but anyways that is complete non sense, dammit don't use the Islam card when you don't know shit about the subject.
Waiting for a defence, rather than an empty admonition.
"Is Feminism the Enemy of Romance?"
TL: DR
Feminazis are the enemy to everything, just like actual Nazis.