Why "Nice Guys/Girls" Are Not Really Nice

Subject0

I recently saw a myTake on why "nice guys/girls" can't get a date. I agree with everything the author said, except one thing: nice guys are girls are not really "nice". Wondering why? Well, one of the reasons is...

1. They go for people way out of their league and get pissed when they're not willing to "settle"

Sorry, but leagues do exist. If you're unattractive and boring, you can't expect someone who is fun and good-looking to be interested in you. Most of the nice guy and gals only chase people that fall into the latter category, and are not willing to even consider someone who is on their level. If you're obese, but won't date someone who is not fit, or want an intelligent partner while never doing anything for self-improvement yourself, then you're not a "nice person who can't land a date because all the guys/girls only like hoes/assholes", you're a hypocrite.

2. ... or worse: They only go for people whom they have nothing in common with, simply because those people are hot.

Why

You see, when someone says "I want someone who'll treat me nicely", they don't mean "I'll go out with just about anyone as long as they're nice". What is usually implied is "I want someone whose looks and personality I find attractive, whom I share common interests with, and who'll also treat me nicely". Niceness alone isn't worth anything, it only matters as a part of the whole package. And yet, if you take a good look around, you'll notice how many attractive guys and girls are constantly being pursued by people whom they have nothing in common with, who for some reason think the former owe them sex or relationships because they're nice. Which brings me to my next point...

3. You don't get brownie points for something you're supposed to do

Basic human decency requires to treat other fellow humans nicely. Which truly nice person would expect praise and appreciation for not being a jerk?

Why "Nice Guys/Girls" Are Not Really Nice

Besides,..

4. If you really are "nice", you don't need to tell everyone that. They know!

If you need to announce that you're nice, you're probably not, otherwise people would have realised it long time ago. That's just common sense.

5. However, the biggest red flag, in my opinion, is that they blame everyone but themselves

When you hear the word "nice", what characteristics do you think of? For me, "nice" is someone who is compassionate, polite, kind, and forgiving. When getting rejected, a nice person's train of thought would probably look similar to the following: "Okay, that hurt like a bitch, but such is life. Maybe I'm not smart/fun/interesting enough for them. Maybe I should have worked on my appearance more. Or maybe I'm simply not their type, or they like someone else at the moment. In any case, everyone is entitled to their feelings and preferences, so I won't hold a grudge against them for not liking me." If someone's first reaction is to throw a hissy fit and start trash talking the person they like, this person's crush, or the entire gender this person belongs to (e.g. the aforementioned "women only date jerks/men only date hoes"), then sorry, that someone is not nice.


Recognised yourself? Then it's your chance to get your dating life right. Stop being bitter, and instead of blaming others for your failures, read this take again, realise what you're doing wrong, and make an effort to change. It may be a long and tough road, but it'll be worth it in the end, when you'll find someone the new, better "you" deserves. Good luck! :)

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  • Anonymous
    I'm known as very nice guy. I don't pretend to be nice, I am naturally nice (except educational/professional environment) and I'm below average looking and guess what, a very beautiful girl liked me, way out of my 'league'. Nothing ever happened. Why? Because I believed in the 'league' and thought that she's out of league. Even after accepting that I can be with her, I took things too slow and she went away. I am 100% to be blamed here.

    This 'league' thing is total BS.
    Ivy league engineering graduates scratch head after looking at machines of an Asian teen going to school. MK Dons thrashes Manchester United. Tiny organisations terrorise countries with army of millions... list is endless.
    Is this still revelant?
    • Sara413

      I don't think the point was that it never happens, but that if the ONLY people you ever chase are ones who are far more attractive then you, then you can't piss and moan about them not wanting you. You can't EXPECT someone who be attracted to you who is highly desirable if you're, well, not.

    • Anonymous

      @Sara413 I know. However this article is noticeably generalised & biased against nice guys. This isn't topic of terrorism, honour killing, rape etc where things are clearly going in a direction, nice guys can be genuinely nice or pretending to be nice; so generalising is a mistake here. This article is misleading on so many levels. Discouraging to geuinely nice guys.

      Also, who said that one can't chase only more attractive persons? If one can accept first-sight-rejections then what's the problem in that? Chaces may not be as good as an attractive person but they won't be too less either. Attractiveness is subjective.
      And you can't piss and moan about them for not wanting you (No one should piss & moan but it's alright, if you were rejected in insulting or inhumane manner) because you can't expect anyone to like you. Do more attractive person get license to piss & moan when they get rejected? Can more attractive person expect someone to like them?

    • Anonymous

      @Sara413 ...

      No, they can't even expect a ugly person to like them. Because still a very attractive person can be rejected easily by an ugly person just like an ugly person gets rejected by a very attractive person. This applies to global superstars to an unnoticed worker in a office.

      Well, my point was that this 'league' thing to classify persons is utter bullshit. It is same as defining social classes. Which parameter is used to define leagues? Only looks & that's superficial. I know looks are important but stopping yourself because of looks isn't right. And relationships between two people from very different leagues aren't that much rare either. So if you want someone then go get'em. Have some pride and balls to accept rejection. It can come from anyone, any league.

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  • RJGraveyTrain
    Beautiful, beautiful!
    Is this still revelant?

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  • Scrambledagain
    I really hate this post. Tell you why, I'm a nice guy... was a nice guy. But I didn't even know this until I read about it in a pick up artist book at the age of 28 or so. Hindsight is a bitch. I was literally friendshipzoned by every girl in my social group. So I'm going to say my piece: 1) I never went for the hottest girl, In fact I learnt lesson number 1: No girl likes a nice guy. The very few who did like me were religious types (not for me) 2) related, I did have standards in terms of personality. I'm outgoing. The only problem was the outgoing ladies were usually taken or as per point 1, were friends with me only. 3) I get that nice should be a given. But I could never understand why girls complained about men to me but went for those same men, then tells me I will find a me a "lucky girl"? lesson learnt. Women can talk so much shit and you don't know what you want. Also bad boys get the girls. 4) I never called my self a nice guy. In fact I was the clown of my group and I was the funny guy: lesson learnt: humour, like nice also doesn't get girls. Hindsight showed me this. Now I'm doing everything in my power to change that. 5) I only blamed me. Most nice guys actually blame themselves, hence their toxic shame and insecurities.

    So yes, I did have to change. Gym, countless books, business plans, hobbies, taking no shit. And it's worked. Now I play women, need to make up for lost time.
    • Subject0

      Didn't mean to upvote this, was an accident. And no, you're still a nice guy, full of bitterness and self-pity.

    • Dipsy

      In order for a girl to want you, you have to be a prize in her eyes. Girls never admit this, but they want a very good boyfriend, to basically show off. It's a competition among women. You shouldn't be just a guy, you should be A guy. It's a difference. Women want a guy whom they're very satisfied with and actually to make other women jealous. It's the sad truth.
      Popularity plays a huge role. In order to become popular, you have to get (lots of) friends and people have to like you in general (a likeable personality). You need confidence too, and you have to be charming. People should want to be in your presence, dominance, a social leader kind of. That's what makes girls weak to the knees.

    • 😂 hell no I'm not a nice guy. Nice guys end up on Ashley Madison. I'm a dick in the love game. Nice guys don't get women... I'm getting women now. But I must admit, it's been a rough road and I am a dark soul, and do regret my former self. Religious upbringings will do that to you.

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  • Bluemax
    An interesting take and quite right on some points, but not so right on other points.

    1. "If you're unattractive and boring, you can't expect someone who is fun and good-looking to be interested in you"
    Most unattractive people I know do not *expect* someone good looking. They *desire* someone good looking. And the two words aren't interchangeable. I expect to win the lottery is different from I desire to win the lottery. I expect someone attractive is different from I desire someone attractive. All humans on the planet, attractive and unattractive, desire attractive people. This is the result of millions of years of human evolution. We can control how we act, but we can't control who we're attracted to. Thus I don't think unattractive people are hypocrites for desiring attractive people. I *do* think unattractive people are hypocrites when they BLAME attractive people for not liking them.

    Boring is much more subjective than appearance, I think. I find most of pop culture boring, but many people don't. Likewise, many people find Beethoven boring, but my wife and I don't.

    I also dislike this term "blame" when it comes to rejection. When I was rejected, I felt I was not to blame, and she was not to blame. No one is to blame. She just didn't like me so move on. When I rejected girls, I never once thought, "Well, she's to blame." I certainly didn't think I was to blame. In most cases, when a rejection occurs, NO ONE IS TO BLAME.

    Subject0, when you were rejected, did you say to yourself, "I'm to blame?" Or when you rejected someone, did you say to yourself, "He's to blame (or she if you swing that way)?" Blame when it comes to rejection in most cases strikes me as just odd.

    If you keep striking out, my suggestion (and here's where we agree) is to increase your level of attractiveness as much as possible. It's the smartest thing you said in this take, though it's unlikely the readers you were attempting to appeal to even got that far in reading your take, given your style of heaping names and blame on them.
  • LittleSally
    BEST

    TAKE

    EVER!

    .. honestly I've met many guys like this... And they always blame someone else and they're always bitter because the hot girl next door doesn't find them attractive and they want only her -because she's hot... But they don't even know her. Hahaha

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  • crystalt70
    Generalizations that people think are accurate based on their own perception. I know quite a few nice guys/girls that have an s. o. that could be considered "out of their league" by observers if you went off of looks. I have come across guys that I wouldn't normally just go for, but then I got to know them and thought, "hmm... I would be with this guy". Why? Because good guys really are better than douchebags. Once you get to know someone, your opinion of them usually changes, either for the better or worse. I could be attracted to a guy in "my league", but then be turned off after getting to know him. As for hot guys, if he's a douchebag, I wouldn't even give him a second thought. Fyi, nobody is better than anyone else. That's all a delusion that people create for themselves or for others.

    Not all "nice guys/girls" are bitter. Can a nice person become bitter? Yes. Through life's experiences, anyone can become bitter. That's their personal cross to bear and something they can hopefully overcome. It's not always because they keep going after people that someone else considers to be out of their league.
  • madhatters4
    why do you assume that nice guys are any of the above things? I'm a nice guy, I know it and people who know me know it. I don't talk about it, I don't expect things as a result

    being kind, thoughtful, caring, loving OR NICE is a characteristic trait. People who moan and complain aren't necessarily not nice but maybe they feel like their kindness goes unrequited. Now to me that is kind of lame but it doesn't change the fact that the person may still be nice.
    • TheSkaFish

      For me, it's not necessarily so much that my kindness goes unrequited as it is this: I actually got along with those girls. It WASN'T just me wanting to get with a hot woman that I had nothing in common with and couldn't talk to. I had more to talk about with these girls than anyone I've seen on the dating sites and I could talk to them better than anyone I've ever met when I've gone out. We could talk, we could laugh, we could share thoughts that went deeper than the surface. And my looks aren't that bad. So if the looks aren't in the way, and we can actually have a real conversation, then why can't it work? How much more do I need to be good enough?

    • It's an interesting issue and certainly one I've had "nice guy" friends mention. I think a big issue is that if you do enter that friend zone, women often don't want to lose that friendship. they then see a potential relationship as a friendship killer. OR they simply don't see that platonic friend as a romantic option whereas men don't usually seem to have that conundrum... all that said there is no reason and it's not fair to kind of get angry at women about it. I've dated women that I became friends with first. I've also had the scenario you mentioned occur.

    • TheSkaFish

      Well, it gives me some hope that you, and other men, have managed to date women that you started out as just friends with. I guess you never know what could happen.

      What gets me mad though, is that the idea of "you're just a friend" is essentially saying you are worthless as a man. It is writing off your masculinity, your potential, your future. Which wouldn't hurt at all from someone who didn't like me in the first place and vice versa. I'm sure there are women out there who think I'm a loser but if it's someone I can't really talk to, I couldn't care less. But from someone who acted like they cared, who acted like they enjoy you and believe in you? It hurts.

      But I'm like, ok I'll improve because you're worth it and I want to improve anyway, even just for me. But they're like, no, I want to just keep you in the "loser" pile forever. It's a game of "kick the runt". That's what I hate. WTF? So because I didn't know how to be cool when we met, that means I can't ever learn to be?

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  • thecd1979
    Unfortunately, when I was a young dumb full of cum youngster, I was once this kind of whiny, bitter, complaining and selfish kind of "nice guy" who used to think that I was owed something by women because of how "nice" I supposedly was. Number two on the list is what I was most guilty of back then. I was pretty stubborn when I was younger and I had to learn the hard way, as most guys that think this way will, that my behaviors and mannerisms where the problem. Guys if your reading this and any of these behaviors describe you please stop doing it, stop the bitterness, stop the envy, stop the whining, stop the complaining, recognize that you are the problem and make a sincere effort to change. This kind of behavior is not attractive or sexy to a woman. I'm not trying to bust anyone's chops or make you feel shitty. Please don't take offense to what I am saying because I'm not trying to come at you like that. I wish I had someone to give me some of this advice when I was younger and might have been able to save myself a lot of frustration and heartache and had better interactions with women. Please just take a step back and see it for what it is.
    • This sounds like something straight out of a Tumblr copypasta. Of course, it's trendy to think that guys are always at fault for everything by default. The person who made the take just said "Nice Guys/gals" so they could pretend to be impartial. I'd say that if someone uses their Internet life to bash nice guys 24/7, it's best to stay away from them.

    • thecd1979

      Hey dude, if the shoe fits wear it, that's all I'm saying, if not then you should be good to go

    • I just disagree that absolutely everything is always the guy's fault. Yeah, I get it, that's the trendy, modern way to think these days. It's hip, and in vogue. But when people step into reality, they usually find out the cold hard way that responsibility is a two-way street. It works both ways. But I don't expect anybody on this site to understand that.

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  • loveisbeautiful
    I really dislike takes like this, I'm so tired of people saying that you need to change yourself to get a date or if someone rejects you, it's your fault. Change needs to be of your own free will, something that you feel will help better improve you and your life. Change should not be a way to land a date, changing who you are and what you like to make yourself more appealing to the dating population is wrong. I have a lot personally changes to make, for myself but I will never change anything about myself just to make myself desirable to men. It' just not going to happen.

    Also, opposites do attracted and people connect with different people everyday. Just because someone is fun, doesn't mean they wouldn't go for someone laid back or "boring". Everybody needs someone who balences them out, no one wants to themselves. I just think this whole take is all wrong and sends a bad message to people who are in fact nice.
    • Bluemax

      I'm not so sure opposites attract. In most cases I think they don't.

    • @loveisbeautiful I wanted to respond a few days ago but I forgot. But your comment was very refreshing. It hurts when someone tells you that you need to completely change who you are, just so you can score a date. This works for both sides. I've always had this innate feeling that if someone wants you to change who you are, completely, just so you can score a date with them, then they aren't worth it! Too many people on the Internet try to give "honest" dating advice and it comes off bad. We need more people like you to say these things!

    • ras144

      No no no no no, you apparently have never met these nice guys/gals, haven't you.

      "Also, opposites do attracted "
      That's Bullshit, stop believing everything you watch on tv. Those opposite attract couples are rare, end up in divorce, and/or have SOME SORT of common interest. Do you honestly think Britney Spears would date Steven Hawkings? Do you?

      " I'm so tired of people saying that you need to change yourself to get a date or if someone rejects you, it's your fault."
      If you are CONSTANTLY getting rejected on a daily basis, 25 years old and still virgin, you're going to sit there and tell me you're probably not doing something wrong? Really? That sounds like someone who's in denial.

      "Change should not be a way to land a date,"
      This isn't about telling Nice Guys/Gals to change themselves to get a date. It's telling them WHY THEY CAN'T GET A DATE. Usually, they Nice Guys/Gals need to change their entire mentality to also save them from a life of bitterness and self-pity.

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  • SIGguy
    I'm gonna get a couple things clear. First, attraction is part of chemistry, especially physical. Second, I'm not obligated, under any circumstances, to be nice to anyone, especially if they're in my face or busting my chops for no good reason. Besides, you preach to "nice guys", but if or when you become a single mom, the tables turn. Suddenly, you forget everything you've been preaching and rant about how it's so mean that no one wants to date the single mom. THIS IS EMPATHY, GET USED TO IT!!!
    • SIGguy

      To clarify, no one is expected to be "nice", but you are expected to be "polite". HUGE difference.

    • SIGguy

      @ras144 "Misogynist, misogynist", anyone that disagrees with you is a misogynist. Get over yourself!

    • ras144

      No, just people who have an unreasonable hatred for women, like you.

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  • The_Empty
    Yet another one of these takes? Do you people not get the irony of constantly complaining about people constantly complaining?

    Oh, and, just to piss you off, always remember, feminists, men are not vending machines you out sex into and get a relationship out of!
  • pnl86
    Regardless of what was said, I though this take was very well written and organized.

    It seems like you spent a lot of time and mental energy carefully stitching small and large scale structure together, and it was just a pleasure to read.
  • DodgersGM
    I don't believe in leagues whatsoever, but I do fully believe in your second point. There's lots of people in the world (men and women alike) who go after people they're attracted to, even if they're not compatible. And then they wonder why they get shot down.
  • GreatnessPersonified
    I agree with most of this, but
    1. There are no such things as leagues. Everyone is a human being, and therefore in the same "league."
    Leagues only matter to children, because a year difference makes a difference when you 10 to 14. It doesn't make a diff when you are 30 to 34, it's about the same.
    If by league, you mean common interest, then I can agree.

    2. true
    3. true
    4. true
    5. true
    • SIGguy

      My British stepfather, who played soccer (they call it football) in his younger years, is wed to my obese mother. Your argument is quite valid.

  • Nuqood
    The image in point #2 is retarded.

    No shit a guy wants a pretty woman, all men do. That's kind of a difference between men and women, women are more interested in personality than men are, so the bloke in the image isn't a scumbag steve for acknowledging his nature.

    Asker, how many 'nice guys' have you ran into that weren't people online? How many have outright told you that they were 'nice guys' and bitches about how 'assholes' got the girls in person and not venting online? Usually those types stay silent IRL, so the issue doesn't even matter.
    • The_Empty

      But, somebody is WRONG over the INTERNET

    • LightsOff

      The image is not "retarded" at all. There's a difference between wanting a hot girl but knowing you probably won't get one because they would be out of your league, and wanting a hot girl and EXPECTING her to fall for you despite all your crazy flaws. The first thing is fine, it's totally natural to appreciate other people's beauty and to feel attracted to it. The second thing is a bit delusional though, you can't expect someone who's a 10/10 (looks and personality) to fall for you if your like a 4/10. It's just not very realistic. It can happen but the chances are so very slim. Especially if you're really just a bitter, insecure and pessimistic person.

    • Nuqood

      @lightoff There's no such thing as 'out of your league'. The only people who say that are women with an inflated self-worth and men who have no confidence.

      Women don't give a shit less whether a guy is handsome or not. Women are attracted to resource, worth, status, and personality. If someone is known as the best in their field, speak passionately about it, have a large social group, can provide for their needs, have leadership qualities, and their personality intrigues them they will fall for them.

      Men aren't the same; Men care about looks more than personality, and any man who says they don't is a liar since, guaranteed, the appearance of a woman is what makes them approach and not 'she looked like she has a good personality'. The image says he wants her to like his personality if she's hot, which is what male/female interaction is, lol. That's why it's a bullshit image.

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  • Octavius
    The flip side to this though is I get suspicious or even outright hostile looks from girls sometimes when I do something nice for them without them asking as if they think I now am going to demand something from them when I was just trying to be nice.
  • vishna
    Great MyTake

    I do have an issue with "Maybe I'm not smart/fun/interesting enough for them. Maybe I should have worked on my appearance more."

    People shouldn't feel this way in my opinion. Just mentally brush the whole thing off and say "I'm not their type or they don't want a relationship" and the appearance thing. Eh. As long as someone isn't a slob, they shouldn't have to change. People should be with people who like them not find them hot all the time.
  • Nah. Leagues don't exist. Where's your ID Card that you are 9/10 and I'm 6/10?
    And if someone is boring, ignorant or abusive, it's obvious that no one will like him/her
    • zagor

      Unless he's a 10. Then girls will still like him.

    • @zagor if a guy has bad personality and he's not even superlatively handsome (AKA 10), how'd girls like him (instead of others)?

    • zagor

      Huh? That's what I'm saying, that they'll still like him IF he is superlatively handsome, despite the issues.

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  • ScorpionKiller
    I try and be the nicest that I can; There have been too many experiences with people's perceptions of my words that I'm never certain on whether or not I'm coming off as nice to whomever I'm speaking to at any given moment. Perhaps this is just a social-readability defecit on my part...
  • girlygirl2015
    I dated a guy who claimed to be nice, and he was just an asshole in disguise. He was always complaining about everything and that no one wanted him. and why no one wnat to sleep with him.

    Ironically, people says I'm nice, i think it's because I'm a kind person and sweet, and I really don't recognize myself in any of this. I don't compare myself with others or complain like the guy I used to date.
  • ginnyweasley
    i give you a thumbs up and batman agrees!
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  • Kirah
    "1. They go for people way out of their league and get pissed when they're not willing to "settle"

    There are no "leagues", unless you're an extremely shallow and probably unlikeable person. Just date whoever you're attracted to.
    • SIGguy

      Someone mature, nice!

  • tenchu11
    I love this a nice guy is a guy who thinks by being nice the world should fall in his lap because he a fucking martyr. A good guy/men does it because it's the right thing and although being appreciate is nice it should be a given that being a good person is a norm not a sacrifice
  • ArchDruidMordred
    Decent take but whenever a girl brings up point #3 it grinds my gears. If being a decent human being is what you're SUPPOSED to do, why do you even consider getting with guys that aren't decent?
  • BackInGame
    Nice guy, aka "The guy that I'm never going to fuck". Nice guys are in fact just ugly guys who try to compensate their ugliness with stupid shit that never worked. Girls hate them. Obviously they don't hate them due being nice (that doesn't make sense anyways), but simply cus they're some unattractive, usually short, nerdy looking and feminine fucks. Still, no woman will ever say they hate them due looks, but they always find a positive behaviour thing on him and turn it into negative.
  • Unit1
    I'm nice and I know it :)

    "It may be a long and tough road, but it'll be worth it in the end, when you'll find someone the new, better "you" deserves."

    Except the new "me" is not me anymore :(
    Just wanted to point that out.
  • GirlsLie
    Nice take. It's always funny to see the unattractive "nice" guy complaining that the really attractive/hot girls, don't like "nice" guys but you don't see him approaching any less attractive women lol
  • verticallyinsecure
    considering this is the most discussed topic here, no offense, a lot of guys here probably need to grow a pair and a lot of girls need to stop being so shallow, i am talking about the scenario in this site. In the real world, there are a lot of factors when it comes to relationships and one night stands, FWB's etc are purely based on physical attraction. Get over it
  • SerUmbras
    This. This concept has made me rethink myself numerous times. And you know what? It makes sense. And when you accept it, you find yourself totally able to deal with the supposed rejections.

    A simple smile on your face and a "have a nice day" can make some people's days. Try it next time you're in a good mood at the supermarket. Smile, engage in small talk (I mean hella small - talk about the weather, something any human being can relate to) and you'll see them just light up.

    Points 3 and 5 sum this up perfectly. The other ones almost don't need to exist. You should just be nice and not expect anything from it. And the world gives you lemons, make lemonade son. And share that lemonade, don't be a dick.
  • GuyBot
    Used to be like that.
    Decided to stop this shit and just be a 24/7 asshole. It doesn't help me with others,
    but at least I can be myself and don't have to put effort into seeming nice.
    However, I have to say, it pisses me off that the term nice is now trashed on the internet for whatever reason.
    • "However, I have to say, it pisses me off that the term nice is now trashed on the internet for whatever reason.

      Brave New World, my friend. That's just the way young people are these days.

  • VRosetano
    I used to call myself a "nice guy." When I started realizing that I was at fault for what happened in past relationships and dealing with the few times I was rejected, I've kinda backed out of the whole relationship scene.

    I'm too afraid to talk or even gesture to women I find attractive anymore. I've been hurt too much to try again.
  • aniemist
    I think your points are valid, and I think there are nice people out there, ones that act as you should but really don't expect anything for acting the way they should.

    It is also my belief that there should be at least the occasional acknowledgment for these people, its nice to be appreciated after all. The world doesn't owe them anything for acting as they should, but it would certainly be one of the nicer things that could be done for them.

    In relationships I think being nice is good, but agree that you shouldn't expect anything special for doing something you should be doing anyway, if you really care for each other then being nice should be natural.

    Lastly remember that everything you feel and know in this world is largely informed by what you have learned and how it has shaped your perspective.

    This was a good take.
    • TheSkaFish

      The problem I have with society and women, though, is that instead of getting something for being good, people actually get stuff for being bad. If you are an arrogant asshole and go around acting like you are "better than" all those nice people, you are "cool" and everyone loves you for it. If you are a scumbag who lives for your "rebel" image, who celebrates your trashy, tasteless, low-brow lifestyle, and showing that you are more "badass" and "tougher" than those weak nice people, you are "cool" and women throw themselves at you all day every day. This is what I don't like. People are rewarded generously for being rotten on purpose. What if I don't want to be rotten? What if that doesn't feel good, and I want to be pleasant instead because I like it when people are pleasant to me? What if I want to have some taste in my life? That just automatically means I am weak, sexless, and boring? This is what angers me.

    • @TheSkaFish I agree with everything you said. But I'm at the point in my life where I just accept that nothing is going to change. Things have been this way for a while, fish. And what disturbs me even more than what you pointed out, is two things: A) That women think that other women who don't follow the trends are "betraying" other women and B) That if guys like me or you complain about how things are even a bit, then we are "losers" and shedding "male tears" and stuff like that. The conversation is being hijacked by hateful people. It's wrong to hate women, it's wrong to reward people for being jerks and it's wrong to hate on nice guys who feel alone and sad. This circus of bashing nice guys on the Internet just shows how much we have ALL degenerated in our behavior.

    • TheSkaFish

      @RandomUsername3464 yeah, I think that ultimately, you are right. It really has been this way for a long time now and change is unlikely. I know I gained nothing from complaining about this all day, and I know that the way things turned out was my fault and my fault alone, but still, it just hurts knowing that if only I had been confident instead, it could have gone a lot differently.

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  • KidanisCortes
    Well I'm a nice guy but I dont feel like girls owe me anything I dont get friendzoned jjust flat out ignored. I know my looks are bad and I dont care for hot girls too much but shit happens you gotta deal with it and move on I guess
  • Kuraj
    Well at least there is no danger of you being considered nice if the first thing you talk about are "leagues".
  • black_skinny_jeans
    I just want to say that number 3 is spot on except that there should be boundaries- what are you willing to do for other people- it's okay as long as you're not letting them walk over you. Some guys think if they do a trillion favors for a girl- be it small or big favors- she's gonna like him and that she HAS to say yes to him.
    In reality, it's stupid because he's doing all that stuff for her just to get something from her. This mindset is wrong on so many levels, but the basic error in here is that the guy doesn't have repsect for him or the girl. He could give her the moon and she still won't like him because, sometimes, girls take advantage of this situation and simply use the guy for doing favors for them, she doesn't respect him.
  • goflipaburger
    👏great job! Really wish guys would understand this.
  • Phoenix98
    Lol really another one of these? you did make some valid points but this topic really just needs to be laid to rest, not brought up again lol.
  • Yellowbone
    I would like to add that some guys are so focused on being nice that they actually turn out to be annoying, clingy, or they baby us.
  • AngryHorny
    Excellent take, and painfully accurate. I'm happy to say I'm no longer pretending to be "nice" or waiting for girls to see something that clearly isn't there.
  • apexalpha
    It seems deluded that some think they are entitled for being nice. And if you don't tick someone's boxes then don't expect to get a date out of them its that simple
  • Reflexy
    The first picture is very true. Great take overall :) there is absolutely no reason to go out with someone who you dont find attractive. Same reason why you shouldn't go out with someone whos a nob
  • TheSpartan
    This is a generally decent take, except for number 3. I don't have to be nice to anybody. And, if I'm being nice to a girl, it isn't usually because I'm simply fulfilling a social obligation.
    • SIGguy

      Exactly! You're expected to be polite, not nice.

    • TheSpartan

      Couldn't have said it better myself.

  • Tanisha69
    I got a friendzone, an enemyzone, and a get-out-of-my-face-before-I-bust-yo-nose zone.
  • theguanaco
    I agree that anyone, guy or girl has the right to choose who they want. Those that complain dont deserve any better than the ones that reject them.
  • medical2523
    So what my niceness comes out in my personality and how I talk cause I have had so many girls say you are so nice maybe even too nice
  • RationalMale
    Hmm. Part of the problem is, many people, especially men, are basically brought up being told that you should be nice to girls and then try to go out with them "but be friends first." It's a gigantic lie that messes people up. So then they sit down and try to reconcile what's wrong with the world with what they've been taught.

    And two, being "nice" is just a horrible thing to be to anyone you're interested in. It's a kiss of death. It's the opposite of attractive. Be flirty, be brash, be witty, don't be nice. Do you see James Bond being "nice" to the women he sleeps with?
  • JustinX9
    I don't blame others I always blame myself for my luck of success
  • DiegoO
    Your take is one of the worst I've read here.
  • QuestionMan
    Great take
  • Sara413
    This take was right on the money :) Good job!
  • sailorjupiter
    yezza, totally agree with this! ;)
  • CrayolaCupcake
    Nice take. :) I like this and I agree.
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