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*shrugs* I prefer tradition, though not for any of the reasons you stated, personally I think you are over analyzing a simple gesture.
I think whoever takes the other person out should pay or they should go dutch. We don't live in a time where women don't make money anymore lol
EQUALITY! :D
Amazing! Truly! So eloquent! 5/5
Best take I have read here!
Sadly the second bullet point is true 😕
My rule: First 3 dates we split the bill equally. I'm not here to be your 'provider' and I don't want you to be mine.
Then you wonder why women are spoiled. It is because you pay.
This is what i dont get. Why when YOU ask her out does she have to pay?
Alfonso: Your stupidity is showing due to your irrational statement.
Why do you feel entitled to have a man pay for you?
If a friend invited me out to eat or hang out I don't expect him to pay.
Besides, I'm not your god damn sugar daddy and you're not a charity case.
So retarded... lol. Its not about feeling entitled. If someone asked ME out on a romantic date, why the fuck should I dish out money? Its not the same thing as going out with a friend. You are not trying to fuck that friend.
'If a friend invited me out to eat or hang out I don't expect him to pay. '
Exactement.
The whole split the bill equally is a bit retarded though since she could be having a really expensive meal or something, plus you've gotta sort all of that out once the meals OVER and I'd feel damned resentful if I had to pay at that point. For me, though, it's a non-issue because I really hate these awkward hour-long dinner dates. I just go grab a coffee: so simple and she can buy her own damned coffee.
@RationalLioness why do you expect others to pay for you just because they asked if you would be interested in the opportunity of doing something together that costs money?
Most people have more self-respect than to let others pay for their cost of participation. Having your costs paid for is a privilege, not an obligation.
How stupid can you be? Asking a girl out on a romantic date that YOU wanted to pursue isn't just like hanging out with friends. You are asking for more than that persons time and its more involved than a simple friendship. Its not a privilege, neanderthal. You are asking to spend time with that person and get to know them better. Its selfish to ask them to split when YOU were the one thats trying to get something started.
@RationalLioness well that person must have AGREED that spending time of a more intimate nature together must be worthwhile otherwise they would never have gone on the date. if it's not worth the price of one coffee to spend time with that person, then they can't have ever really WANTED to go on the date to begin with.
it's not much different to if you invite a friend to the cinema and he decides that spending time with you is not worth the price of a ticket to see the film.
Not necessarily. Some wo/men agree for a variety of reasons and plenty decide to give the guy a chance. That does not mean that they think it will be a worthwhile endeavour. It still does not change the fact that he was the first to pursue. It just sounds like a lot of you guys are stingy or tired of paying which comes across as selfish. That is why you get to know the person before asking them out instead of doing a trial and error.
Its completely different because you are n
Ot trying to fuck that friend or be in a relationship with them.
*shrugs* but whatever. I have to learn that a lot of the guys on GaG do not have any sense and to not try and "fix" opinions.
I'm not splitting nothing inexpensive, lol... shrugs I don't want a guy who's cheap, he'll want to split everything
& then what would happen if I didn't want to go on that particular outing do I still have to spilt a $100 date. ..
@CaliforniaMe Maybe I don't want a woman who's 'cheap' either and expects the man to pay for every fucking thing. =/
Back then, women didn't have their own earned income.
Now that we do, I see no problem going dutch initially.
it's simple. if you don't wanna offer to pay, you can't afford it.
if you can't afford it, you shouldn't be dating.
Same goes for women.
Thats idiotic.
I agree. ..
@alfonsosloan45 nah.
women have no problem paying for both... but its how u go about it. if u can't afford dinner at a restaurant then you suggest a place you can afford... even if that means the taco truck.. (with fair warning).
there's a difference between being cheap (paying with $100 bill at taco truck) and being financially "under construction".
Agreed
Women actually do tend to have a huge problem paying for both @orphan @RansomDraven
@alfonsosloan45 women have a problem w/ cheap and stingy. that does NOT mean they have a problem w/ paying to eat w/ a kind and giving individual.
However, in this case "cheap and stingy" means not paying for 6-12 dates.
@orphan
@alfonsosloan45 if you're picking her up in your car, be prepared to pay.
if you're meeting her somewhere, she'll probably offer to split.
However, men are typically expected to ask and therefore pay. @orphan
@alfonsosloan45 men are typically the ones asking girls out on dates. you're asking them to spend time with you. time=money.
Women should ask men. @orphan
Because men were the ones that made that rule and if it's anyone to blame they should be blaming their forefathers that came up with this or themselves for that matter for up holding this tradition.
lol
we all on everyone raised by there mothers but not by fathers but still blame fathers (note that i am not talking about guys, just about good fathers. who did everything for you).
And this is why women keep doing it?
I'am a old fashion guy and grew up with those values. I'm always willing to pay for movies or dinner. If she really wants to one time then sure she can pay.
lol some men want women to break tradition when it suits them.
lol i can say the same in reverse so don't be biased, support the truth.
@mylifemycreation it is true some women want equality and only when it suits them and i am also against this as well. equality comes with a price and that means certain old school ways will change such as men being the sole provider which we have moved past, so i dont believe it is a given men should pay for dates, but men should be aware that when that changes other things will as well
@mylifemycreation Bingo
i agree
I want my dates paid for. That's the only reason I go on 90% of them and that's a fact.
I'm all about the whoever asks pays but all offer life.
Well since we all are equal now (its good and bad thing on its own), Id expect one who ask for date to pay.
It's especially compelling considering women in their 20s make more then their male counterpart.
I don't know about all you other guys but I'm a big fan of netflix & chill.
You spend a lot of time and energy at the end she will just choose a guy who is more good looking and confident
I have all the money to pay like 100 dates and I have no girlfriend...
Sure,, earlier part of every month is good time to date (like now) ,, because i received my salary by monthly
Why men are expected to pay for dates:
Because if the man doesn't, there are plenty more men who will, but the same is not true for women.
Yeah, it's a remnant of a patriarchal past when men were expected to take care of women. I mean fifty years ago, women were making way less money, so it was harder for them to afford to date.
Bullshit. Both should pay for what they bought. Why would the man pay for everything and not the woman?