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The pink tax and gender wage gap are myths. Women do have gender specific (optional) expenses, as I'd imagine men do as well. Technically equality does mean same. Feminism is not seeking equality it's seeking at best equal outcomes, rather than equal opportunity, and at worst supremacy.
Equality does not necessarily mean same. For instance, 2+3 and 4+1 are equal, but not the same.
And? What difference does that make? Women, in the west, have the same opportunities as men. I don't see why women don't admit they don't wanted to be treated just as a person let alone like a man. They want to be treated like women. Men and women are different. There's nothing wrong with that.
Saying it's equality for men to pay for dates, is a really sexist statement.
Exactly , if ANY man stated " women belong in the kitchen " there would be calls for his public execution !! This train of thought , still VERY prevalent among women , simply puts guys off dating !!
@FatherJack They could say that if they are making a joke and the people he's telling it too know he's joking. I make that kind of joke all the time with my boyfriend and it's no big deal.
Haha! yup, that's the key!
I've been known to use the argument with a few ex-SOs that they have a good point, but shouldn't they "be in the kitchen banging around on some pots and pans" or something! LOL! Of course, I never meant it! So crucial is that understanding of one another or else all else is just blah, and just "get out!" please! ahaha!
Sounds like you just want free dinners. It's cool, i get it. But unfortunately for you, times are changing.
People like you are cancer.
Most of us guys will pay for dates because we just want to do something for our ladies.
Women like you who think that it should be considered mandatory should be shot.
We pay for dates because we want to treat nice ladies well. You aren't a nice lady at all!
advocating shooting people. niceeeeeeeeee.
I don't think it should be mandatory. I just think that it's a nice thing for men to do.
No, you stated that it should be expected. That's the kicker here.
You don't think it's a nice thing, you think it's something that we should do. it's written there plain and simple " in fact am opposed to this expectation being alleviated (at least in cases where the man is financially capable of paying)"
Even if the man is financially capable, which in most cases, we are because we do tend to pay unless our ladies propose splitting the bill, It should not be an expectation.
Even if you ladies aren't earning as much, you're still earning. It's not like the old days where women aren't allowed to work for an income and are expected to stay home as a housewife.
Ok, so I totally agree except for two things: All your premises and the entire concept at large.
So glossing over how your points other the math analogy are BS, I want to look at one thing: Why do you think you can use an aggregate analysis of a population's income to judge individual situations and not be considered retarded? If you're going to do that then the spending gap really doesn't work in your favor. Making less money isn't evidence of inequality and neither is spending more. It's evidence of choice.
Look, you can demand equality, or that men pay for dates. But to try and claim they are equivalent is moronic.
At least be honest - you want your cake and to eat it too, you fatty.
You'd be as dismissive of someone who claimed they'd lose weight on a 10000 calorie a day cake diet.
No. That's not how reality works, no matter how much you might wish it were so.
Dreamy cake diet! 🍰
I have mo issue paying for dates, but I wouldn't necessarily call it equality.
Women earn less because they choose to. They wear makeup and fancy clothes because they choose to. Menstral products- fair point. Gyno appointments, birth control- true, but we've got comparable expenses.
And womens products only cost more becuase women are willing to pay it. You wouldn't catch a guy paying $20 for boxers or $50 on shampoo.
Omg... I was just scrolling down and noticed everyone is arguing on this topic LOL in my opinion I think EVERYONE SHOULD JUST BUY THEIR OWN FREAKING FOOD!!! When you go out with your friends, the reason you pay is because your being nice!!! It's not like your forced to!! That's why guys pay because there being nice to the girl. Also once your married there's no difference cause the money comes out of the same bank account so...
Who says all married couples have a joint account
Lol I am 24 and I have gone on many many dates and I have never paid for anyone's food or drink. My first girlfriend was so enamored at the time that she paid for me 😊
Anyhow like I said in another post... there are plenty of girls who will go on dates with guys they don't even like just to score a free meal and an opportunity to get out. And sadly most guys don't see it...
Oh on a side note:
Guys should pay for a date because girls have to pay for tampons and gyno appointments?
That may officially be the absolute stupidest thing I have read on this site...
You have won my personal Retard of the Year Award!
As someone who actually earns my money by doing things like being dependable, working overtime, and attending non-mandatory continued training, I would just like to extend a big Fuck You. I make more than anyone else in my department because I earned it, and if you're going to essentially demand a gift because you make less then that really speaks volumes about why you make less.
Fun stou, I hate when people (other than my parents) pay for me. The first time I went to a movie wih a guy I bought the tickets and I let him buy me a packet of candy so he didn't feel bad. I felt really guilty letting him pay, because I'm the older one and I had more money on me at the time
Look beyond the statistics that media spits out and ask why the pay gap is that high. It is much more complicated than we just don't want to pay women more than men. If the numbers are adjusted for educational level, type of work, numbers of hours per week, etc., the gap is about 4-7% which we can attribute to discrimination, but part of it is because women often are less aggressive in asking for pay raises and higher starting salaries than men.
women are also more likely to take time off than men.
@thewanderingme That is definitely part of the equation.
although, nowadays more women are getting higher education than men
@thewanderingme Yep, but it is not in the in-demand sectors. Men still outnumber women in attaining advanced degrees in engineering and cs by a lot. What we need to do is focus on making science and math fun for little girls as they start forming their career aspirations.
I love science! :D but hate math :'( lol, it screwed me over in school. I agree it needs to be made more fun for girls. I remember almost every word problem being sports related and just further confusing.
@thewanderingme I love math and actually have a math related profession, but I admittedly hated the way it was taught in school too. Either it was too dry or focused on topics I don't care about. If it was bad for a guy like me, I couldn't imagine how bad it would be for girls.
you're an accountant?
@thewanderingme Nope, data analyst. I tried accounting and it bored me to death, lol.
lol, I think both would drive me crazy
@thewanderingme Well I like to tell people I tell stories with numbers as a living and that is pretty close to the truth. Data is so prevalent in the world today that you can literally apply it to anything. Some mathematicians have even applied data to understanding dating, sex, marriage, etc. So really depends on context.
hmm, I'd be curious to see how data is applied to sex and dating
@thewanderingme Well it's pretty similar to how google finds out which ad to spam you with, lol. Data is collected by tracking people's behavior, often in a controlled setting like a staged speed dating event or online and use that to formulate mathematical theories on people's preferences based on things like their age, race, careers, values, etc. It's very inexact, but definitely a fun exercise.
I think the thing with paying for someone's meal are to be given willingly. It should not be something to be asked for, nor begged for. If they want to pay for it, accept and appreciate. It should not always be the guy paying all the time, not the girl either.
#Istandforequality
Wow those MRA and MGTOW guys would be so happy with this take putting equal rights back a hundred years, perhaps we should ask your father's permission to court you as well.
If I invite someone for dinner on a date I am obligated to either pay for the meal or cook it as it was me who extended the invitation and vice versa if a woman asked me out.
While you're at it, have him buy you a house and a car and pay off everything for the lifetime amount of money you're not getting due to inequality. In fact, retire now and get you a man to pay your way through life. The last thing you ever need to see is a bill in the mail.
Have him clean up the house and do all the dishes because it's below you as a strong independent wom*n.
Wow just wow this one of the worst takes I have read.
Your reasoning is all tilted.
I make as much or more then any guy in the company I work for.
Gyno app. & birth control covered by medicare.
Feminine products are cheap, I use very little in the way of makeup.
As for clothes some guys pay out big $ for their wardrobe to.
Bs pink tax? what fucking world do you live in? no girls don't get taxes if anything girls pay less for everything. me and my sister want into a store got the same pair of shoes cost me $60 but she paid $30. and it's just not shoes but, shirt, pants everything cost lost of women now if your talking about make up or other bs then yes because man don't buy make up. And I sure as hell doMt wear the same thing more them once
My friend and I are legit doing this right now
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bcoz men who likes to feel like man, will pay, just to feel they r dominant and real man and to show girl, that he really likes her...
I never ask men to pay for me, i can pay 4 myself , no problem... but never payed. Guys always payed without any word
Wow. Writing this myTake as an anon was a great idea.
If men don't pay for dates = inequality. *Facepalm*
Women who constantly "invest" in clothes, makeup and beauty products do so to gratify their own vanity. They do it because they are self-indulgent. You can't blame men to justify those habits.
You also can't blame men for having periods and spending money on tampons. Mother nature made us that way, deal with it.
And Mother Nature made it so that women are wired to seek mates that provide for them
But you demand equality. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The analogue to women seeking mates who provide for them is that men seek mates who are youthful and fertile (ie sexy) looking. It'll only be equality to demand riddance of women's financial expectations if we also get rid of men's expectations for youth and sexiness.
Does that mean that "to get rid of women's financial expectations" men are supposed to like ugly and unkept girls?
Yes that's what it means. If we insist on getting rid of women's standards it's only equality if we did the same for men's
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Your views are incompatible with equality.
Men and women should have equal rights and responsibilities: that's equality before the law. In that sense, if you demand equality but you still expect men to provide for you because you have a vagina, be prepared to stay single.