Western Women Have Killed Chivalry and Lifelong Marriage

[Careless_Whisper]

It's sad but true. When I was a teenager and young adult, I believed that the best way to attract a woman and get her to stay with you was to be a faithful, caring gentleman. Not a pushover, just a nice caring faithful guy. However, I noticed that it was the assholes and idiots who seemed to attract the most women. At first I didn't think much of it and just ignored it. But after many years of constantly seeing good men getting cheated on or rejected, and seeing the assholes get all the hot women, I finally realized that everything I had been told to believe about women and relationships was a myth.

But it was much worse than that. I realized that we now live in a world where insanity has become normal. Despite the increase of technology, I do believe that we are the stupidest generation that has ever lived. Whether it's the brainwashing of the mass media or the chemicals in our food, something has caused western society to become a nation of zombies where common sense is turned upside down. I'll give you a few examples:

Over the years, time and time again, I have seen women stay with and even marry men who have cheated on them, but leave good faithful men. It's as if cheating on women and treating them badly makes them love you even more. It's as if it gives them a thrill. Meanwhile, the good men who just want to settle down and be happy often end up angry and bitter because of the stupidity and injustice that women are creating.

I admit that it's not 100% women's fault. A lot of it is the fault of the sexual revolution that encouraged people to focus more on sex and pleasure rather than love and commitment. If women are more interested in sex, pleasure, fun and excitement rather than settling down and getting married, then I guess they are going to date assholes and idiots who give them that excitement. But the end result has been a society of broken families, single mothers, fatherless children, high divorce rates, and the death of chivalry.

Another problem is the divorce laws. In general family courts tend to favor women over men. And it's mostly women who file for divorce. And there have been studies that have revealed that many women divorce their husbands even when their husband has remained faithful and non abusive. Time and time again women will divorce good men and then stay with a asshole or jerk. This is not rare, this is very common.

I have also noticed that so many women no longer appreciate a man having good manners. Over the years I have held the door open for a woman. Some women smiled and said thankyou, but other women got offended and just gave me a dirty look. So now I no longer hold the door open for a woman, because I never know how they will react. Thank you feminists.

Sure, you can always find exceptions to the rule, but in general this is the way things are now and I don't see things getting any better. Once something has been destroyed it is almost impossible to get it back. It has taken decades of mass media brainwashing and changes to get where we are today. I can't see love and commitment being repaired. Maybe if a woman is deeply religious and strictly believes in lifelong marriage, then maybe it will work.

Sorry nice guys. I'm afraid the future doesn't look bright. The overwhelming majority of women today are going to choose an asshole, the kind of guy that likes to get pissed, has a loud mouth, acts like a complete braindead idiot etc. Sad but true.

[hellionthesage]

Thats because we live in a society that has convinced women that they need to be happy all the time which means they have to be indulgent. Indulgence of course is the opposite of responsibility so this does not help maintain long term relationships which are hard work to maintain. Then we as a society, and in large part thanks to feminism, do not hold women accountable for their actions. We live in a society that holds men to the highest standards but does not do the same for women like it use to. This means that all the negative traits women have are no longer kept in check (males also have negative traits but society does not give them the leeway to devolve into them) this creates a generation of spoiled women and jaded men no different then what would happen to children who where never forced to be accountable for their actions and where given what ever they wanted whenever they wanted.

[Careless_Whisper]

So well said.

[hellionthesage]

Thank you ( a woman liked my comment, so thats a good sign for us all)

[justbanANNAz]

"Sure, you can always find exceptions to the rule, but in general this is the way things are now and I don't see things getting any better."

i was looking for this. proud exception over here. i will NEVER let someone place me among the bunch of women who are supposedly ruining the ability for men to be chivalrous. it still sounds quite silly though. if a man is truly chivalrous, he will persist with it, rather than be swayed by the opinions, words or actions of others.

[CoolSky01]

so are you saying a man should be a gentleman despite getting negative feedback from everyone around him? that man would be dumb.

[justbanANNAz]

@CoolSky01 yes, yet he should find a new focus for his chivalry, rather than those who are giving him negative feedback. also known as 'moving on'. of course if he persists to be chivalrous with people who dont care for it, then he'd b stupid.

[CoolSky01]

the problem is that very few care if you want to be a gentleman you have to be good looking first, just holding the door open is enough to make girls like me while i know guys who can't get a girl to like them despite being very respectful infront of girls and helping them, its just how things work physical attractiveness is what matters and being a gentleman can be influenced by that.

[Weirdstuff]

Yes, there are women who cheat and there are gullible boyfriends/husbands who for some reason stay with these women. But has it also occured to you that the opposide story also happens a lot?

"stupidity and injustice that women are creating." --> Haha men can be just as jealous, insecure and irrational as women, both genders cause these problems dude. Moreover, men are the most likely to start domestic violence, how can you not classify that as stupidity?

"If women are more interested in sex, pleasure, fun and excitement rather than settling down and getting married," --> you do know that the stereotype is that men are the ones who are afraid of commitment, right?

"And there have been studies that have revealed that many women divorce their husbands even when their husband has remained faithful and non abusive." --> Verbal abuse or the inability to connect with each other despite several attempts are still good reasons to divorce. One reason that I suspect the higher divorce rate compared to 50 years ago is the increase in women's education and rights. Less wives are silently waiting everyday to wait for they hubby to come home and more and more of them actually make a living for themselves. Women are now less the kind of people who blindly agree with what the husband says. It also used to be so that if the wife disagreed with something, that she'd get slapped. One of the largest problems nowadays is that people do not try to get know each other better before getting married (e. g. only dating a year before getting married), which is something you should blame on BOTH partners.

holding doors? I hold the door for anyone who's walking behind me, regardless of gender and age. It's just a simple door to hold, I don't expect an applause for that from anyone.

Oooww you want a deeply religious wife? There's the explanation for your text. Women are discriminated against in most religions, when extensively followed. You don't want a loving wife, you want a yes-knodding, braindead, baby-popping machine.

[Anonymous]

there is always middleeastern, Asian, ... etc lol so many other cultures

and i get what you're saying... i really do
i used to LOATH guys who said stuff like this because where im from that is nowhere near true thankfully and it was just offensive... but later on i found out that its true for THEM considering where THEY are from... i was actually gonna write a take on this lol
anyways, yea youe right... sexual revolution and all that stuff (That TONS of men VERY MUCH encourage by the way for their own benefits obviously)

and when guys were like "women prefer jerks and not nice guys" in my head im always like "ARE YOU RETARDED?"
like logically, why would anyone go to someone who treats them bad?
of course a lot of these so called nice guys are just pervs expecting sex in return of smiling at a girl lol
but no i mean the actual nice MEN

and then yea... i found out the issues were true for most western societies and someone said it best when he said that it was like the case of women who are brought up in abusive homes... they are more likely to end up with an abusive partner even if they hated the abuse they witnessed as children and knew it was wrong... its been implanted deep down in their head and now its "familiar" and familiar usually means safer... so they subconsciously end up with wrong partners
he said this is the same with most girls who go for jerks over nice guys... most American girls are sexually active or are in relationships by the age of 13... a very very delicate age and just waaaaay too young for anything like that at all... so by the time they are 20 they have gone through like a dozen men.. and yea, it damages them really deep down... just like girls who lived in abusive homes... they subconsciously go for the wrong guy... add to that a seriously damaged self esteem and a not-so-healthy developing process... yea...

buuuuuuuut... having said that, there are sooooo many western girls that are real women and anybody wouldn't even dream of being lucky enough to be with them lol...

[Opinion Owner]

so yea "Sorry nice guys. I'm afraid the future doesn't look bright. The overwhelming majority of women today are going to choose an asshole, the kind of guy that likes to get pissed, has a loud mouth, acts like a complete braindead idiot etc. Sad but true."

this is not true... it may be a majority in western societies... but no its not a vast majority generally... not by a long shot
VAST MAJORITY of women just melt into puddles when they are treated like queens by good men... any woman would dream of settling down with a good and decent man... so no worries
they exist in western societies AND otherwise too lol... some places would just be harder than others... but there are healthy women with fully functional brains lol

[Opinion Owner]

most western societies encourage all the wrong morals and values and people are paying for it now
all the politically correct views, liberals that dont even know what logic is, the wrong ideas of empowerment and feminism and equality... etc

[Opinion Owner]

one last thing xD

like i said... men have EVERYTHING to do with this... they encourage girls to do all the things that they (males) hate later on in life... and then they complain about women lol
most want to sleep around and screw as many women as possible before settling down with a nice good virgin...

[Opinion Owner]

and of course... not alll guys and not all women.. etc

[Phoenix98]

O for cripes sake again that is not Chivalry, actual chivalry has very little to do with women.

The actual original chivalric code covered things like the learning of reading, languages, the arts and musicianship and the handling of lands and law. Chivalry changed from originally being almost solely a rule of combat to being a rule of how a knight lived his whole life. It was basic a code on conduct and honor on and off the battlefield and a lifestyle but it had very little to do with the treatment of women.

The vows of knighthood said when taking the oath to follow the code of Chivalry.

Fear God and His Church
Serve the liege Lord in valour and faith
Protect the weak and defenceless
Live by honour and for glory
Respect the honour of women

The actual code.
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
To live by honour and for glory
To despise pecuniary reward
To fight for the welfare of all
To obey those placed in authority
To guard the honour of fellow knights
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
To keep faith
At all times to speak the truth
To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
Never to turn the back upon a foe
Do not fear your enemy
Show no mercy and do not hesitate to make war with the infidel
Perform all your feudal duties as long as they do not conflict with the laws of God
Love your country

The virtues of Knighthood and Chivalry.
Faith
Charity
Justice
Sagacity
Prudence
Temperance
Resolution
Truth
Liberality
Diligence
Hope
Valour

Chivalry died with the knights and royal houses of Medieval Europe. Just like Bushido Japan's version of Chivalry died with the Samurai class and noble houses of ancient Japan. You can't kill what is already dead, and very few people actually practice the true authentic Chivalry or really even know what it is or what it relates to.

What you have described my friend is not Chivalry but simply being a gentleman which yes is a practice that is dying, unfortunately and unlike Chivalry being a gentleman the main focus is the respect and treatment of women but also to everyone else. And in this day and age of messed up views and individuals. We do not want being a gentleman to fade away and die to be left for men and women to read in old stories and legends like with Chivalry.

[Phoenix98]

Here are the rules of courtly love this is probably more along the lines of what most people think Chivalry is.

Marriage is no real excuse for not loving.
II. He who is not jealous cannot love.
III. No one can be bound by a double love.
IV. It is well known that love is always increasing or decreasing.
V. That which a lover takes against the will of his beloved has no relish.
VI. Boys do not love until they arrive at the age of maturity.
VII. When one lover dies, a widowhood of two years is required of the survivor.
VIII. No one should be deprived of love without the very best of reasons.
IX. No one can love unless he is impelled by the persuasion of love.
X. Love is always a stranger in the home of avarice.
XI. It is not proper to love any woman whom one would be ashamed to seek to marry.
XII. A true lover does not desire to embrace in love anyone except his beloved.
XIII. When made public love rarely endures.

[Phoenix98]

XIV. The easy attainment of love makes it of little value; difficulty of attainment makes it prized.
XV. Every lover regularly turns pale in the presence of his beloved.
XVI. When a lover suddenly catches sight of his beloved, his heart palpitates.
XVII. A new love puts to flight an old one.
XVIII. Good character alone makes any man worthy of love.
XIX. If love diminishes, it quickly fails and rarely revives.
XX. A man in love is always apprehensive.
XXI. Real jealousy always increases the feeling of love.
XXII. Jealousy, and therefore love, are increased when one suspects his beloved.
XXIII. He whom the thought of love vexes eats and sleeps very little.
XXIV. Every act of a lover ends in the thought of his beloved.
XXV. A true lover considers nothing good except what he thinks will please his beloved.
XXVI. Love can deny nothing to love.
XXVII. A lover can never have enough of the solaces of his beloved.
XXVIII. A slight presumption causes a lover to suspect his beloved.

[Phoenix98]

XXIX. A man who is vexed by too much passion usually does not love.
XXX. A true lover is constantly and without intermission possessed by the thought of his beloved.
XXXI. Nothing forbids one woman being loved by two men or one man by two women.

[Anonymous]

It's about perceived value. Female hyper gamy and girl's approval is what makes women act like idiots in picking men.

When a man acts nice and respectable to a woman what goes off in her brain is not this guy will make a decent partner for me but this guy has lower value than me or he wouldn't be acting this way. Women perceive being nice and showing you care for them as being of lower value and many of them think your just doing it to get into their pants and can't fathom the idea that a man could just be wanting to be nice because he wants to show he cares for you more so than their body.

Understand a lot of women aren't genuinely nice. They are fake nice and behind all those selfies with smiley faces tend to backstab and talk shit about their friends and do acts that aren't so nice. So when you come to them being nice they get suspicious.

With regards to girl approval. Those who are already getting will get more. The system women have set up makes it that the guys who are already getting their dicks wet are going to have new pussy being thrown at them. Women always need to seem to rely on media and other women to tell them which man is desirable. You'll notice this when guys get a mark rise in female attention after getting a girlfriend but it soon disappears post breakup.

Hence, the fuckboy/players get tons of girls. and rack up ridiculous amount skill score. Usually many of these men have had their fill of sex by their 30's and ready to settle down. Many of the men who were left out in the cold by women have:

1. Resorted to camgirls for love and relationships
2. Content with being alone and have created an unflattering view of women base on their choice in men
3. Many turn into the same asshole that the girl does not want when she is in her late 20's and 30's when it's time to settle down.

https://youtu.be/ESYK8fCEHUQ

4. Many of them give into the loneliness and are fine wifing/gf an ex-slut who now wants to get off the cock carousal and settle down.

[Opinion Owner]

This is the future of your mytake

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a23529-the-effects-of-the-80-20-rule-the-future-of-our-society-s-love-life

[Geist]

I could not agree more with this take! You say it like it is! Though there is two different kinds of chicks I'd like to mention:
1. The covert-bitches that leave the nice guys to hook up, or form relationships with the assholes.
2. The nice girls who are careful with their hearts and want to take the relationship slow to make sure he is a nice guy and not an asshole.
It may seem like there is so many bad people in the world and usually their actions are so loud it fogs out our perception of the good that truly is out there; it may seem like everyone's messed up in this generation (which is probably the case with the majority) but you being aware shows that there is hope and most likely you're not alone at noticing how unfortunate things have turned. I for one find chivalry a lost art which I wish more guys would express. One shouldn't discontinue an act of kindness do to acts of rudeness. Don't lose hope or let the wrong kind of people discourage you, if you keep up a honest good nature surely you'll find the right woman. :)

[Careless_Whisper]

At last a woman with sense.

[bobbyxx]

@Asker it is a rarity these days.

[Ratiocinative]

Nope. You're wrong.

I'm no fan of feminism, but Chivalry is not dead because of feminists. Chivalry is dead because of guys like you who thinks that if you're chivalrous that a woman owes you another date, or sex, or to be her boyfriend, or whatever.

Women DO appreciate good manners, they just don't appreciate a guy who thinks they owe him sexual or romantic favors. And don't try to claim you don't, it's completely obvious that you do because you came here to complain about guys who "aren't chivalrous" getting girlfriends.

A truly chivalrous man does things like holding doors open simply because that's the kind of person he is, not because he expects attention from women for doing so. Until you finally understand that nobody owes you anything unless they sign a contract saying they do, then you're always going to be that guy that women avoid because nobody likes that guy who acts like you owe because he held a door open or because he gave you a compliment. That kind of behavior is a huge turnoff.

[Careless_Whisper]

That still doesn't change the fact that women reject good men and choose the assholes.

[Ratiocinative]

Yes that's true because "good men" usually don't display the masculine traits that attract a woman. Being nice isn't a bad thing, but it's not what attracts women sexually.

Men may desire a woman based on her being beautiful and fun, but women desire a man who is strong, ambitious, and able to protect her. Going on a date and simply being nice and having a good conversation aren't bad, but if you don't give her the impression you're a strong and assertive male then you'll be lucky to even get a kiss from.

[Hasaboyfriend]

I know a lot of women who say that nice guys are "boring" and they somehow glorify being abused and look forward to it! I don't know I think most women nowadays have some sort of universal mental illness because our brains are usually wired so we stay away from pain as much as possible. Like our instincts tell us that pain is bad so I must look for good things instead and somehow these other women's brains have fucked up wiring and associate pain with fun or pain being good. It may be good in the bedroom, but outside it is not. I have been dating my boyfriend (21) for over a year now and he's the nicest and sweetest guy I could ever ask for. He has no money but he somehow always suprises me with gifts like a flower or a watermelon sucker (which is my fave) and we always plan stuff together and put all our emotions and beliefs on the table no matter what. A relationship should be stable where you could say anything you want, and not be afraid to say it. You also need trust and passion and it's okay if your relationship is boring sometimes! It's called settling down and just chilling with each other. If you get too bored then plan something fun to do together like have a day walking around the park or go swimming in the lake! Don't plan something as destructive as starting a fight or cheating on them! I believe that this generation has failed, and I will not be having kids just for them to have crazy and stupid shit happen to them like this!

[Anonymous]

Food for thought:
- women* get the pill + are able to be more promiscuous
- guys* then expect women to put out because "oh well if you won't maybe Amy will"
- women* give sex more easily because they're afraid to lose the guy
-guys* abuse this system

(*some guys and some women, just to be clear.)

So it's not entirely women's fault. I blame instant-gratification culture in general.

I'm fine with nice guys and have no desire to sleep around, thank God - I see sex as an act of love and closeness within the confines of marriage. I think there are more like me out there than you might think, but this society pressures everyone so much to have sex (and basic economics - supply and demand - explains how the new system screws a lot of people over, pun intended, and disincentives marriage).

A gentle reminder - just as a lot of hot guys out there fall into the "acts like a jerk" category, a lot of hot women might not be the best choice in terms of acting like a jerk or not. You might want to look at the more average crowd for nice women as well.

[Paul6754]

-Woman + promiscuous = revolting slut
-Women who are revolting are less likely to get married, I want a good girl by the time I'm 30 because I don't like revolting women
-Men have the right to have standards upon a woman.

[Paul6754]

"I think there are more like me than you might think, but this society pressures everyone so much to have sex."
-You're wrong because I am single, I haven't had sex in over 5 months and the society didn't put pressure on me to have sex.

[Paul6754]

I just do what I do, the society is filled with nut cases. Once a person is independent (male or female), there's something wrong with the person because he/she isn't following societal norms.

[Opinion Owner]

@Paul6754 As long as you haven't been promiscuous yourself, fine. Men can have standards too obviously - but they shouldn't be hypocrites.

Actually, what you said about being single and not having sex for 5 months agrees with what I said... I said I think there are many out there like me who don't want to have random sex.

And sadly that's a common perception about independence.

[Paul6754]

-I've had sex with only 4 sex partners (all hookups but still have a space for a potential partner) but I am slowing down because I want to get married with a GOOD GIRL.
-Only virginity is the societal pressure, the majority want you to be satisfied and comfortable with the way you are. Many don't care about you having sex or not.
- Independence and confidence is ripped from the male and female gender into shreds by feminism. We need to bring these 2 powerful traits back because these are very great for survival.
-Luckily, feminism is slowly dismantling because grown men are going their own way and more women are realizing feminism is a sham.

[Opinion Owner]

@Paul6754 I'm a little confused but I meant independence in the sense of not giving in to society's expectations of lots of sex etc.

And good that you're thinking about slowing down.

[Dargil]

Western women have been almost fatally corrupted by radical feminism and "political correctness". These combine to form a voluntary mental illness that is next to impossible to route out. The Christians among us might say this mindset is a Demon. It results in them hating men, needing them at the same time and "punishing" them as a consequence. We as men have been seduced by our sexual addiction combined with their easy sexuality and then discover the trap that has caught us. The veneer comes off and we end up with destroyed careers, contaminated children and cynicism toward relationships. So here is my recommendation. Take their early easy sexuality if you must. They will be better than years of porn and masturbation. But NEVER marry them or let them raise or teach children. They will radicalize another generation of girls and neuter young men. When it comes time to settle down, shop in the Orient and Latin America for authentic women who love men, children, families and celebrate femininity. Sure there will be a cost of time and dollars and issue with language but you are more likely to end up content and not be eviscerated by the courts in the prime of your career.

[Bandit74]

Yeah.
A lot of girls have this mentality where if they meet a guy who is hot but not relationship material they have sex with them right away. However if they do see you as relationship material they are more likely to make you wait and work for it.

Then you see all these questions where girls have developed feelings for their fuckbuddies so in the end they get easy sex and the girls heart.

Overall it seems better for girls to initially see you as fling material rather than relationship material. I have never met a guy who could consistently get girls to send nudes and hookup with him on the first date who couldn't also get girl who wanted commitment too. On the flip side there are countless guys who can get relationship sex but couldn't get a girl to hookup with them if their life depended on it.

Being hookup material also means you're more attractive since girls tend to have HIGHER standards on qualites like looks and charm when it comes to casual sex. Girls dont agree to hookup with just anyone, the guy has to be really hot by her standards for it to be worth it. They are more willing to lower their standards on looks if the guy is willing to wait for sex and pay to take her on dates first. But that just means you werent attractive enough to get her to want sex without commiting first.

Its just more flattering and more rewarding to be the guy they see as hookup material first and develop feelings for after.

[HookingSwan]

with this mentality

I agree with some things you said

but others... damn

[Bandit74]

@HookingSwan

Which things do you agree with and which do you disagree with?

[HookingSwan]

"They are more willing to lower their standards on looks if the guy is willing to wait for sex and pay to take her on dates first. But that just means you werent attractive enough to get her to want sex without commiting first."

No... they dont lower the standards... they just happen to fall for the person's personality more... It is different. And... if some girls are only after guys that can pay for dates and are willing to wait for sex... then that means they may not know what really falling in love with someone means... What I am saying is... what girls want mostly (at least me) is not someone that will take u out on dates and pay for u... it's so much more than that. I am in a long distance. I never went on dates. I never had gifts. I simply fell for who he was. never had I fell for a man before like I fell for him. I loved the human being I had in front of me :)

Sorry if this is too messy or complicated. I don't know how to explain it any other way.

Just know that... not all girls will

[HookingSwan]

be like how you described them to be.

Thats it

[HookingSwan]

as for having high standards for casual sex, you're absolutely right.

I am not one for that. But... I understand the mentality behind it. Girls are less easily turned on. Imagine having to go to bed with a starnger you have no feelings for. You have to at least lust like a devil after the guy's physique...

[LiveFreeorDieHard]

@HookingSwan anyone who has ever been to a party and know people who hook up know that plenty of guys get one night stands. You just have to chase the girl and not look or act like a pussy. Try it, I garnered you get laid.

[Bandit74]

@HookingSwan

"No... they dont lower the standards"

But you agreed that womens standards for casual sex are higher. Wouldn't that imply that their standards on sexual attraction for a relationship are lower?

Did you fall for him just from talking to him online without even knowing what he looked like?

"Girls are less easily turned on."
I agree with your assessment. Id just emphacize that girls are less easily turned on by -visuals. So like you said, for a girl to desire sex with a guy whom she has no emotional connection with then the quality of those visuals needs to be really good.

[BubbleBoy69]

Women are just trying to fool you and get you to change your stance. Women are good at manipulating to get you to believe what they want you to believe.

[HookingSwan]

I dont see it as lowering standards, since I am falling for the full package

If that makes sense... what makes him uniquely him, is what I fall for...

I started talking to him... and already felt attracted to his personality, before seeing him

and, even when i saw him... I could feel the ind of person he was... from pictures... his eyes, smile, something in his expression showed me his essence. I don't know maybe I am sounding crazy lol. But I felt attraction for everything...

I dont feel like I have lowered any standards, even if from an objective point of view, you may argue so. But when was love ever objective? Thats the point I'm trying to make here.

We dont settle for less in looks to compensate with personality or soemthing...

it's the combo that attracts us... the combo is the secret for the so called "spark" lol.

[HookingSwan]

why do people even call it spark? because many times they can't explain why they feel how they feel

I know there was an x-factor in my attraction to him. I couldnt explain it. Something told me... take a chance on him

And it panned out for me :D

[HookingSwan]

Basically I am trying to say that we are talking here about human love, emotions and you make it as some kind of a cold and calculated method that women use to select a partner. Some may do that. But we are not all the same.

[Bandit74]

@HookingSwan

"I dont see it as lowering standards, since I am falling for the full package"

Well first Im just talking about lowering standards on physical attraction and second it wouldn't apply to you since you dont have casual sex.

The point I was making was that, the girls who do have casual sex have higher standards on looks/sexual attraction for casual sex and lower standards on looks for relationships. So from purely sexual standpoint, it is often (but not always) the case that her serious boyfriends are less attractive to her than her casual hookups. She may find her boyfriend attractive and love him but she won't have that same lustful sexual desire she had for her flings.

"kind of a cold and calculated "
Eh maybe that true. Im very cynical and tend to look at relationships from a transactional point of view. Its probably best you dont see things the way I do.

[BubbleBoy69]

I actually know girls once they get bored with the boyfriend they so love to cheat on them with the same type of guys they would have casual sex with.

[HookingSwan]

I see what you mean as well

was just trying to show you another point of view

either way, nice healthy discussion :)

[Bandit74]

@HookingSwan
"nice healthy discussion"
Agreed 😊

[slimstiffy]

Yeah man. I can't disagree with this take. Id like to say there are good women and good men out there but, divorce rates are just off the charts and i can understand the point. Back when i. was a kid , i tought it was men to blame,( they cheated or left,,,, oh the man was always the bad guy, how naive you are as a kid and how blindly you follow stupid femistist bs...)
But now i know better. More often than not, its the woman to blame when a marriage falls apart. Too many of them have lost their femininity. Yeah, men have went down in terms of masculinity as well, but but nowhere near as how some women have gotten. The destruction of family is the destruction of society. Single parent homes should not be the norm. Children need both thwir parents to teach them how to be a man and how to be a woman and how to treat each other. This failed family issue is the root of 90% of all evil. Most criminals , gangsters, prostitutes, killers, rapists and generally horrible people come from unstable and broken homes. People dont seem to realize that.
This is moatly a wester problem though.
Especially so in da usa.
Where i come from this shit is not even remotely like that. Good men are valued and command respect. And they are manly. Dont have no nice guy pussies. Men know how to be men without being assholes. Thats what i saw growing up. And thats what im modelling myself to be like, no matter what.
Usa is a fucking disaster when it comes to family. Some places in Europe are not much better, but overall its still better. But i can see how feminism and being "modern" or westernized is affecting traditional countries as well.

[GreatnessRevamped]

The problem isn't with women, but with the pussification of men... by women.
You said, "When I was a teenager and young adult, I believed that the best way to attract a woman and get her to stay with you was to be a faithful, caring gentleman."

Yeah, that's not how it works. Look at bad boys, and PUAs, they know how to get women, more than guys on this site. They have something most guys lost: the ability to be a MAN, and not some pussy boy.

Hell. some dudes chase pussy so much, they turned into a giant one. LOL.

This is man.
www.bloke.ie/.../confident-man1.jpg
so is this
www.reiss.com/.../Sam-Most-Stylish-Man.jpg

This is not
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Notice the body language!!!

[GreatnessRevamped]

Think of PUA tech as martial arts. Knowing some techniques that works, doesn't mean you are trying to be a black belt in it.

[bobbyxx]

That's right, insult the mentally disabled. Vile

[vonasaurus]

there's a difference between nice guys and "nice guys". and you, my friend, fall into the latter category.

1) nice guy: a guy who is genuinely interested in a relationship and treats his partners as equals.

2) "nice guy": a misogynist who blames women for all of his problems, posing as a nice guy.

i have never cheated on anyone, nor do i plan to start. but, perhaps, if all the women you've met are like this, you need to look in the mirror, because it's clear that all 100 of them aren't the problem.

[thetundrawolf]

Yes, it's true, but western feminist women are only this way because they foolishly trusted men who could nto see past their dicks, and only ever wanted sex. So many shallow men never even bother to consider a woman's heart. God made women emotionally superior to us, so they have emotional power, and when we injure them, they turn it against us and can devastate us. On a more global scale, women can destroy societies, as we are seeing here. But don't blame just them. Blame the men who blindly follow their passions and never consider a woman's heart.

[UseYourIllusion]

"Women are emotional, rather than logical." <-- We call it Misogyny. I'm a kind of woman who wants equality, not Chivalry.
Sometimes I surprise because of some western men who blame on western women that they are ruining traditional virtue. As a woman who lives in not western country, I wonder what kind of women they want. Independent like western women, but submissive to you like eastern women? lol (I am an Asian and I am pretty sure I am NOT submissive at all. I don't fit into stereotypes and some people call me feminist.)
I'm the kind of girl who don't want Chivalry. Of course, I don't like rude guys. I mean, I want a guy who treats all kind of others with great manner and treat me as an equal human being.
And I will never enforce my boy to pay for every meal and do everything tough instead of me.

[LucasGaribaldi]

You have deviated from the original thesis.
It's okay you being an independent woman and managing yourself, being able to speak your own mind but that's not what OP is talking about at all.
He's not stating chivalry equals to defenseless girls who need a man to carry over, nor is he stating submissive women are ideals. He is talking about women standards regarding men decaying or turning over.
Plus, you are stating that chivalry is opposite to equality. Thats a falacious statement.
Being chivalrious doesn't mean the strengt of a woman will be neglected nor she should be treated like a weak person. Chivalry is about portraying the dominance and superiority that given woman has upon every other woman for that specific man, being dignified of exclusive treatment. That doesn't mean you will be treated like women from the 19th century period.
You see, you acctualy prooved op right...

[kaylaS91]

... you'll 'notice' whatever you wish were the truth. Most of the things you said may be true, but don't exclusively apply to women. You self proclaimed 'nice guys' never cease to amaze me at how persistent you are in pressing this whole picture of being rejected and sad/pissed for that reason, yet feeling like writing countless questions/takes that resembled excerpts from an emo's diary is actually going to fix anything.

[dudeman]

it fixes the next generation of men by telling them the truth. cultural changes takes generations it doesn't happen overnight.

[kaylaS91]

@dudeman Sure, no harm in 'telling them the truth'. Encouraging them to think that they'll fix any pre-existing 'issues' by writing up essays online of how women are inferior, manipulative scum of the earth in whom the only valuable things are their pussies (which they also use in a manipulative manner to get what they want... which, ironically enough, often leads to the creation of 'nice guys' when they are denied access to a girl's pussy) is not going to lead to a cultural change. The only cultural change that will lead to will be a new type of sexual orientation, consisting of men who may be straight bu choose to forgot any sort of interaction with women for the above reasons.

[Careless_Whisper]

Well like I've always said, the best way to deal with parasites is to starve them.

[dudeman]

the creation of nice guys comes from the single mom generations that raised boys without fathers. these men dont know how to go about getting women in the first place or how to treat a women how a man does. essentially these men will have to starve the system that the sexual revolution created until either society collapses which insnt far fetched or the culture changes. already in the western world we have declining birth rates and mass immigration of Muslims and other who view of women are two hundred years in the past. western women essentially freed themselves out of existence.

[kaylaS91]

@dudeman ah. I see. You're one of the type of thinks 'real men' are sans emotions and who's main priority is just to fuck any available pussy in order to achieve self-validation.
You should check out r/theredpill. Many more men you can bitch about women with. :)

[dudeman]

i dont fuck as many women as i can. also i am real in touch with my emotions. also in my post when did i bitch about women? i thought i was bitching about American culture in general.

[kaylaS91]

@dudeman bitchng about American culture versus bitching about women, eh? Alrighty. Well... in that case, hate to say it but all of these sudden disputes between men and women (those manipulative, incompetent creatures, as TRP often labels them) are simply because the next generation of women are finally tell you guys 'the truth'.
(or creating a giant delusion but hey, some people (ie. redpillers) are clearly into that.)

[Lostchaos]

Nice guys - just being nice to get pussy.
Tough guys - just being tough to get pussy.
And you bitches wonder why so many guys are just done with your bullshit. You flip and change the narrative to make yourselves the victims in every scenario instead of just admitting that you lot can be cruel, cold, uncaring cunts.

[kaylaS91]

@Lostchaos lololol. Naw man, don't flatter yourself. None of us 'bitches' give you any more than a single glance before known that we should steer clear of such bitter, simple-minded creatures.

(ps. We're 'cruel, cold, uncaring cunts' but... who are the ones who make whole fucking subreddits dedicated to degrading and hating on another sex based on a handful of experiences, eh? ngl but you don't sound like the most kind-hearted yourself. I think anyone would steer clear of you, tbqh.)

[Reinhertz]

Just what does the truth mean to you? @kaylaS91 what is the truth to you anyway that you get angry about the article.

[kaylaS91]

@Reinhertz I'm not angry in the slightest. Much more amused at how seriously many guys take this whole idea of blaming women as a whole versus considering any other possible factors. 😊

[Carefuloutthere]

You keep talking about how women like assholes, are you aware of how much of one you come across as? So really, there shouldn't be a problem for you.
What you do not come across as is a nice guy.

You can go through life, like someone else said, blaming women for everything that's wrong in your life if you like, but it won't take away the fact that perhaps the problem is you

[Careless_Whisper]

Funny how you don't deny what I've said, because you know it's true. Insults mean nothing.

[Carefuloutthere]

I know you're full of shit. Everyone does, even you. The only people who agree with bitter people who generalise are bitter people who generalise, even though you don't actually believe it youselves.
You wrote this not because you think it's true across the globe, but purely because you're so so bitter that the only thing that makes you feel better is trying to offend as many people who can hear you.
How dare other people not feel as hard done by and jaded as you right? How dare they feel ok about the world, themselves and the opposite sex, that's just not fair you.
Maybe it's also your only company - other bitter lonely strangers rally round, and you all bitch together about women you don't or won't know and you all feel better about yourselves for a while. Then it's back to being bitter and lonely until you've gathered enough of being that way to write more drivel for the minority.
It's a horrible waste of life. Seriously, go outside & talk to people.

[CancerianMan81]

your only trying to help him out

[ShaeNielson]

Yes those poor nice guys, they really are the real sufferers here, lets all gather around and celebrate the victim mentality being displayed here.
You act like men are some sort of martyrs, as if women are never cheated on, being used or deeply hurt by some man they trusted but misjudged.
You're weak and you think we should all feel sorry for your suffering, even though the rest of us suffer just as much, we just don't whine on the internet about it.

[JRICHARDS1996]

On the contrary, the entire feminist movement is based upon whining. Same with #BlackLivesMatter and most 'progressive' causes. The only reason you are indifferent toward the plight of some men is because the notion of men as sufferers runs contrary to your cultural marxist metaphysical outlook on the world.

[ShaeNielson]

@JRICHARDS1996 I've never claimed feminists don't whine just as much.

[bobbyxx]

Women never stop whining about how they have been treated. And they are the ones who always display victim mentality. This a typical sexist remark and blatant hypocrisy from a woman who probably spends most of her time doing that. It is funny how much double standards there are with equal rights.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@bobbyxx Not to mention the racism from most feminists, who are just privileged white women in need of a hobby. No matter how much they pride themselves on being 'progressive,' they still watch their back around me because I am a Mexican.

[bobbyxx]

@JRICHARDS1996 feminists better watch their back around me.

[ShaeNielson]

@bobbyxx Oh please, any feminist could break you, you're the weakest male specimen I have ever seen, all you do here is whine about how evil women are. How about you grow some fucking balls, and stop being a misogynistic asshole? I don't get how your parents haven't broken your neck already.. It won't be a surprise when you die alone, so have fun with that.

[Careless_Whisper]

fuck feminism

[ShaeNielson]

Why is it that overtime a female disagrees with a male, she is nothing but a raging feminist?

[bobbyxx]

Why is it every time a guy criticize women they come out with vile, personal insults. No wonder violence towards women is on the rise.

[ShaeNielson]

@bobbyxx Because of bullshit like that right there.

[JessicaWin]

I think that's the definition of feminism around here sometimes. Ok, most of the time. 🙍

[ShaeNielson]

@JessicaWin The definition of crazy feminazi around here is a female who disagrees with a male or does not hate her own gender.

[Anonymous]

My Husband is an amazing guy. He was never a 'bad boy' or a 'nice guy', but an honest to God good guy. I love him to pieces and hope to be with him until my dying day BUT I don't think marriage is for everyone. If you are miserable you shouldn't stay with someone just cause they don't sleep around or hit you. We live in a society where people marry for love, if you no longer love the person why stay and be miserable? That's not healthy for anyone. Learn from your mistakes, hopefully move on and don't repeat them.

[Careless_Whisper]

The problem is that women are very emotional and unpredictable and their feelings are always changing. One week they love their husband and the next week they're having mixed feelings. That's why allowing women to hold the cards over marriage and divorce has destroyed the family unit. Women have this warped mentality that if they're not happy all the time then they should go get a divorce. I think this was the reason society, for thousands of years, did not allow divorce to be so easy. But now that the divorce laws are designed to benefit women more than men, the number of women getting divorced is astronomic.

[Opinion Owner]

And the point of staying in a marriage you don't want to be in, or with someone you no longer care about is?

[skeptic007]

I know they believe they should do things based on how they feel

but than that leads to another question should we all run on our feelings
cause trust me if men ran on there feelings women would be so screwed

[Opinion Owner]

So woman should stay in the relationship that makes them miserable because someone else views it as the more logical choice? Please explain to me what you mean.

And please don't undermind me because I am a woman. That's the problem a lot of men seem to have on here. Instead of trying to get where the other side is coming from they write them off as being "too emotional" and make it seem wrong just because it's not how they are. Yes men are more literal, just because I as a woman don't work that way doesn't mean that I should view it as wrong but I should try to see his side on it too even if it's not exactly how I view it.

[skeptic007]

WORD IT'S NOT WRONG TOO RUN ON EMOTIONS
my bible says don't run on emotions

so who is right you
or the bible

cause like I said if we ran on emotions you women would be screwed
and that's the truth

and like he said women have the power legally, it's actually made the men into little bitches cause of it

[Opinion Owner]

@skeptic007
Woman can be just as logical as men if not more n a person to person basis. We just get there differently. Men are more literal. We can get to the same placejust differently. What you guys are saying is extremely sexist and your not even answering my question. If your supposed to stay in a marriage that makes you miserable with someone you hate that makes you cringe when they attempt to touch you... the point is? How does that do you or the person your with or any of the kids you may have any good. In my opinion your not being super logical here. Your just trying to discredit me because of my gender without actually answering me. I believe you guys are also behaving this way from an emotional stand point, because what I'm seeing here isn't real thought out or logical. Also, when the Bible says don't think emotionally do you think it is really talking about a love based marriage? Because the reason you were brought together was emotion. Attraction, desire, love.. emotions.

[Opinion Owner]

I am done. There is no debate here just you guys stating the same stuff and and over and attempting to discredit me based on my gender, nothing else. So I'm done. Can't talk to someone who won't listen. Have a Good one.

[skeptic007]

we don't need too change anything cause it's true

[Careless_Whisper]

If only you would pay attention to what is being said. Of course it's not a good idea to stay in a unhappy marriage. My point is that women tend to get divorced for stupid, selfish reasons, even when the man is a really good guy. Women are driven by emotions and their emotions overtake their logic. Women seem to think that if they're not happy ALL THE TIME then they should get a divorce. This is why the family unit is dead--women and feminism killed it.

[lolaluva09]

I don't believe in nice guys or good girls at all. I've been nice to some guys n horrible to other cuz we were INCOMPATIBLE, period. Do I hate the men for that reason NO. Am I bitter towards men and how they lied or cheated on me NO. Get over the hurt you have and grow up. WE'RE HUMANS we hurt, we lie, we don't all cheat, but we're not perfect. There are no good guys just guys that want to be good to you and you only, n when you don't see eye to eye he gets hurt and the dumb ones get bitter. I just see more immaturity and ignorance in my generation in all honesty. This post just gave me inspiration to talk about this nonsense in my new youtube video. THANK YOU!!