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highly entitled article.
gentlemen : This is the type of woman to avoid. she's a taker, a ME ME ME girl and will only waste your time AND your money.
plenty of women believe in give and take and don't think like the person behind this entitled article. avoid women like this at all costs.
note the "financially stable" bit.
it tells you right off the bat this woman is not only entitled-but sees men as ATM machines...
PLUS she's not very intelligent or observant... as some of the guys who are the MOST financially stable HIDE IT to avoid women like this-it's one of our (financially VERY stable men) tests...
I dress like a gangsta and lie about where I live-claiming I rent when I own. I don't have a fancy car, but I have buku assets. I don't flaunt my stability because of women like this. Who wants a girl who sees you as a walking wallet? SIMPS that's who lol. So women like this will attract the most common type of men and miss all the good ones-serves them right.
Women want equality when it suits. Your GAG username says it all in one word.
''but if I like the idea of a man paying for me on a first date, I can do so. Yes, I can''
You are far from a strong independent woman. I hope you know that lol. You are weak, and rely on men for free food. Your literally a prostitute... men pay for your time. Your not worth that. Some desperate guys may think so. Doubt they would put a ring on it.
I pay when i take my wife to dinner every time. Probably for the last 15 years, she might have paid 5 times. It's called being a real man, having a set.
I take care of her car too, cut the grass and take out the trash.
She knows if anyone tried to harm her there would be no hesitation in me attacking them even if it meant my death or life in prison.
When we go out together I drive because even though she is a perfectly good driver, this is the way she wants it.
Guess, what, she holds up her end of the bargain as well.
the lefitst educators and media have produced a generation of neutered young men. I hope this can be reversed.
If a dude doesn't pay on your first date, automatically, take a cab home.
1. You should show your date you can and will do nice things for him. Guys want to see a little effort too.
2. You should prove you're financially stable too.
3. Guys like being pampered too.
4. So long as you're cool with the guy having traditional values that take advantage of you too, you're welcome to each other.
you rock
I feel like girls fail to realize they have to put some effort too. Just because we asked you on a date doesn't mean you have us xD
But hey, I guess it's a good thing, it helps filter the girls from the women.
They do put in effort. Women put way more money, time, and energy in their physical appearance for a date.
@mistixs you keep in saying that, but it's not completely true. As I've told you many times, it's very expensive to dress well as a man.
@mistixs true!
@mistixs thats like saying i put more effort because i bought my car and i drove my car to the date...
I think what guys are trying to say is we dont like when women just assume we are going to pay for them... As a woman you should at least offer to split the bill
Idc what bad excuses either sex is giving bottom line this is a double standard
@mistixs so do men. Do you have any idea how much suits cost? I think men pay as much for their attire as I do. Besides, no one is forcing you to put on make-up, I never wear makeup either.
@Kirah a man has to pay for just 1 suit and he's good for any date. A woman is judged if she rewears clothing.
And no one's forcING her to wear makeup but no one's forcing him to pay
@mistixs I can guarantee that men don't pay much attention to whether or not you're wearing the same clothes as last date.
And actually, people ARE forcing him to pay. If he doesn't pay, there is no second date. But if a woman doesn't put on makeup, that isn't necessarily a dealbreaker.
@Kirah If a women doesn't put on makeup and she still looks pretty (not really much to ask for is it?) men will respect her more/like her more. Women put pressure on each other to wear and groom in different ways... men don't give 2 shits about nails and all that rubbish.
@Jamesol1 this poll shows that most men DO care about nails. www.huffingtonpost.com/.../what-men-think-first-date_us_55e74eb8e4b0aec9f355ad9e
@mistixs doesn't mean they get to avoid all the risks and liabilities OF dating. women dress and wear make up to compete, they don't do it for the men-but for each other. So date better dressed & better cared for men-don't pretend it justifies you exploiting them..
@mistixs first valid thing you said here: yes some of us care a LOT about your nails. it says a lot about a woman (and a man) how their nails are :)
@feminismisnarcissism studies show that it's men, not women, who prefer makeup on women.
And so women are expected to do their nails, but men aren't. So by the logic of your "equality" rant, how is that fair?
@Kirah did you see that one Seinfeld episode? The man was very much judging the woman for rewearing her dress.
@mistixs i do do my nails. I keep them clean and well manicured... i also do MY lady's nails... i have a huge tacklebox for just that... oops, your bad again. I walk the walk, not just talk the talk. unlike you
@feminismisnarcissism you're an anomaly. Most men don't do their nails
@mistixs you're not understanding you're physical appearance isn't what we want you for us men want you for you're "mental connection" that's it nothing else
if you already have us men then you don't have to dress up common sense would tell you that
you have to find a commonplace for money when you're dealing with us men
@CancerianMan81 so you'd be OK if a woman showed up in a burqa and you couldn't tell her appearance?
@mistixs no I didn't say that you said women put way more money, time, and energy in their physical appearance for a date.
we're not asking you to do that if you already have us cause if we didn't want you we wouldn't be going on a date with ya's
for me all i want out of a woman is a "Mental connection" that's it it ain't that complicated
@CancerianMan81 if ALL you want I'd a mental connection, then you'd be OK with a woman shoeing up in a burqa so you didn't know what she looked like
@mistixs Seinfeld has no correlation with reality. Just look at George Costanza. He has a smoking hot new girlfriend every week, even though he's poor, short, bald, mean, and fat.
@mistixs well for me i would want her to show off her natural look
but if she wants to do that then that's on her
@mistixs i'm the type of person that only goes for the loving heart that a woman has that's it I don't care for nothing else
Wow this is like me putting
"Why I'll never date a girl that doesn't wear make up" or "Why I'll never date a girl that doesn't put out on the first date"
Holt the backlash on those would end my GaG career.
I think a lot of guys stress about paying for your own food is because so many people get screwed over by women that just want free food. Also YES I KNOW, not all women do this and I totally agree, it isn't all women and it's probably the minority but it does happen to a lot of guys and it makes people more paranoid. Besides paying for your own meal isn't that hard...
Please create that "mytake"!!!
1. You as the woman should be making an effort too. Unless you're saying that your time is more valuable than his, and therefore he has to compensating by paying for the date.
2. Financially stable people are often that way because they are smart with money. What is YOUR indicator that YOU are financially stable? Or are you just looking for someone to leech off of?
3. If it's a first date, it's likely that he doesn't know you. What makes you think you deserve to be pampered by a near-stranger? Also, what if he wants to be pampered?
4. What if your date is progressive? As far as this whole "I'm traditional" crap, is it in every way, or is it in ways that only benefit you?
I don't even totally disagree with you, but you're some kinda ridiculous if you think the left is responsible for the most government intrusions into freedom of expression in the US. You need to study your constitutional history.
You have freedom from government sanction under the Constitution. You don't have any reason or right to expect that other people won't respond negatively to what you say in our capacity as private citizens. That has nothing to do with infringing on your right to say such things.
I don't date guys who doesn't pay because If he doesn't find i'm worth a coffee he aren't worth my time. And the things "Oh then it's a double standard" isn't true. I spend lot of money on clothes, jewelry, bags, make up, shoes and all other stuff when he only show in a jeans and shirt (doesn't take more than 5 min and doesn't cost lot either...).
Guys wouldn't even think of giving a second date to a girl who show up in a jeans and flat shoes so I don't think of giving a second date to a man who don't pay for my coffee.
"I'm traditional, so sue me"
Ok here's the bill
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i fully agree and by expecting such doesn't make us golddiggers.
I'd love your commetns on my post earlier this morning cooincidently about an hour before yours.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2105829-there-has-been-an-ongoing-debate-on-who-should-pay-for-a-first-date
Nice take, just followed you. I agree on the idea of paying, I like to do it to show I care. I mean I paid for a female friend, I dunno if she got the message, she thanked me for it and there was a brief pause and a moment so to speak. Shame some random person rolled up and ruined it by butting in to the conversation, but I hope she liked it.
I think it's chivalrous and frankly it's a nice thing to do. I wouldn't be on a date / paying for someone if I didn't care, so I think hopefully it confirms it right?
Great take. Keep them up.
There are lots of women who are more than willing to split the bill so why would a guy even want to date a girl who expects him to pay when there are so many women who don't?
And the same girls who expect guys to pay for dates have often sent nudes and hooked up with men who didn't have to spend a dime on them. A lot of the women who claim to be traditional only like tradition when it suits them but have no innterest fufilling their end of the bargain. They expect men to be the romantic providers but they dont fufill their traditional expections of being chaste or modest.
"And the same girls who expect guys to pay for dates have often sent nudes and hooked up with men who didn't have to spend a dime on them"
No, "golddigging" women typically "golddig" in all areas, including sex.
Only 1 of 5 women have sent nudes.
It's funny how many rules girls are allowed to have. You know that women do work nowadays, and often a first date isn't very good way to judge anybody. Even if the guy has the ability to pay, has the mind that he is going to pay, I think a fist date should be split equally nowadays, even maybe the girl should offer to pay.
All these rules that people live by come from a time when women didn't make much money, or any at all. And they lived off their husbands. These rules are being broken left right and centre, all bets are off nowadays.
It's a new world in terms of equality, and if you want it you better be able to make to adjustment
wow never date a man that doesn't pay. I think that's a little extreme
1. Money is a poor indicator of a guy making effort. Anyone that has money can throw paper around but what else can you do?
2. A $30 dollar meal for both of you really doesn't show someone is financially stable. And besides we want a girl that would stick with us during the bad and good.
3. Its not you're dates job to pamper you
4. Traditional, right. Traditional women also did whatever the man wanted her to do. Dont pull the traditional card if you're not willing to behave as a tradtional women and do what your man tells you to do
Lol. I always pay for a first date. But I never ask a girl who expects it out for date #2. I don't care how hot you are, an attitude like the poster's is such a turnoff. I will always cover the tab on a date, but a girl just makes the offer tells me that she is a modern, sell sufficient woman. She doesn't come off as self absorbed or arrogant. She doesn't feel that she's "owed" something. Last I checked, it's 2016. Men don't own women, we don't pay their fathers money to marry them anymore. Women are not prohibited from taking care of themselves anymore...
"Women should be able to show up ugly, or in a burqa, to a date, & not spend time, money, and energy on their appearance. It's 2016. Men aren't prohibited from just looking at images of beautiful women."
@mistixs It's their choice. No one mandated that they had to do those things, besides I'd guess that they already had most of the products mentioned.
"Pardon my French" Who gives fuck what you think guys should do? Maybe its better for once to think more about what you are offering to your date cos if he is putting some effort your not, something that nature give you is not purring effort or at last you didn't do it nature did. No guys have problem giving all he have to women that deserve it but how rare are thous that actually deserve even his time and so many thous that act like they are some deity. Any man that find girl that is worth it would even cut out his heart if it would save her but like i said not many girls are worth even worth time let alone any effort. You are looking for problem in relationship and dating look at women you will find it EVERY TIME.
There was a mytake not long ago that were identical to this one.
I commented saying that I will only pay for a date if we both agree or sign a contract/agreement declaring that I am guranteed sex afterwards at my place becuase for all I know you could be using me for my wallet. How do I know if your gonna actually blow me off after first few dates to date or fuck other men, that won't be money well spent would it and i would lose even more money when other women do the same to me also. If a women wants a relationship with a man then she should contribute instead of been self entitled becuase she owns a vagina.
Remember guys... a woman's a whore until proven otherwise.
Haha that ending, followed you, you do make some interesting points on genuine reciprocal feelings from her end
It's not sex you're paying for. It's spending time with her.
@mistixs what's point in that then if am paying for companionship only? I might as well pay for a smoking hot escort and be guranteed to get my rocks off whenever I feel like it lol
Pay for escort and you get both companionship and sex. Where's the problem?
I couldn't agree more!
I've heard girl after girl complain that a recent date wanted to go halves on the first date, and it wasn't long after that that she discovered that he was simply too much of a drag to be around.
Him wanted to split the bill on the first date is a red flag. It means at the very least that he is trivial, and more likely that he is with a low income and needs to count his pennies.
Him fully paying on the date is usually a good sign that he is stable and not trivial.
I love this. I'm a guy who believes in guys paying for the date, or at least the first one like you said. I have NO problem with this. To me it's something a guy SHOULD do. It's just gentlemanly etiquette, and I really do not see the reason for argument like all the other guys here.
This girl is an idiot, I feel sorry for whatever man ends up with her.
Logic: It's gentlemen like. How sexist. It's 2016 gender equality has came around... paying for a woman because she is a woman? How sexist can you be lol. If you have nothing to offer... fine pay for her... for us guys who don't rely on money to attract women... well I'm saving that shit up for something useful.
Nah i always pay for girls but i wouldn't pay for a chick thats this crude / rude
I kinda agree with you ManOnFire
I believe in paying too, but I don't like it when a girl demands that especially in this day and age when they are complaining that women aren't treated equally. I will pay for you because I am having a good time not because I have to.
@Jamesol1 you must not make much if you can't afford dinner, lol.
@jjesica346 Nothing logical to say?
@Kuqezi its logical to say dinner doesn't break the bank... baby!
@jjesica346 It's logical to say I'm not a free loader lol
@jjesica346 Then why do you judge a guy's financial status based on that
@Kuqezi your a free loader if you expect a date when you have the 2 for one coupon and say "CAN WE GO DUTCH"?
@jjesica346 Sorry I'm for equality and that means spilting. If you're a "old school traditional" women meaning free loading off a man, cooking/cleaning, and giving you're man sex when commands, congrats. But the young generation are changing the sexist ways!
@Kuqezi First of all sweet. Society is not equal on several aspects of the world we are in!!! This doesn't have anything to do w equality for women and deep down you know this! Do you think that woman should surprise her man w a ring and a proposal? Or maybe you would like be stuck in a nine month gestational commitment? You have you lines set to where as its beneficial for you. Secondly, I make my own money! Thirdly, if a guy asks a girl out, why would he put him self out there just to look like a buster?
@jjesica346 It's all about equality. It's mostly older gen. Women who think like yourself, Wanting equality only when it benefits them. Women my age and younger are all for splitting (many young girls in the comments owning the oldies) If a girl wants to propose or buy a ring I wouldn't mind lol and how's a guy a buster for wanting to be treated as an equal not a doormat?
@Kuqezi because women would laugh at this shit!
You know what? I think I'm gonna write my own Take on this.
Why should we pay for womenn? And we are arguing because we are sick of double standards with women. It is all about what suits them. Sorry doesn't work like that.
@bobbyxx YOU have a double standard.
Women evolved to seek mates who could provide for them. Men evolved to seek mates who were beautiful.
If women have to fight against theit evolved instincts then so should men. Go give an ugly woman a chance.
Or how about we let people keep their preferences?
@semiDarkknight I never implied that,
@jjesica346 Lol i dont make much? I'm 19 i'm about to go to university for gods sake lol. Logic hurts doesn't it? It makes you want to throw silly insults because your bitter? Lol. Start paying for your own shit if you are really strong independent women. Gender equality is for both sexes.
@jjesica346 Pathetic brainless would laugh.
@Jamesol1 Isn't funny that the young are schooling the old in here?
@Kuqezi The fact that she is no longer arguing with you means she's older and knows what she's talking about and understands that it's a waste of time to argue with younger inexperienced people. Isn't that right? @jessica346
Damnit. Meant @jjesica346
@Jamesol1 omg you said earlier that spending money on a date is a waste of money and that you do fine freeloading basically. Do you... do you!! I'm really referring to grown men anyways honey. I'm not bitter, I just don't deal w men that can't demonstrate proper behavior.
@Kuqezi yes the brainless are laughing
@mistixs who asked you. And women judge looks more than men.
@bobbyxx consistent studies show that men focus more on looks than women. Have you never heard the phrase "men are visual"?
@mistixs Studies don't mean much in the real world. I think he means that women focus on looks more in ways that men really don't. Women judge looks in each other where men really wouldn't care. People also say that women wouldn't want to fuck an ugly man but a guy would fuck an ugly girl. If that's really true it would mean women are more visual. That said, I would agree that women judge looks more than men.
Exactly!
@jjesica346 ''This doesn't have anything to do w equality for women and deep down you know this! '' You don't know what equality means do you?
@jjesica346 splitting the bill is such a shocking thing to some women. The entitlement is pathetic. But a lot of women are happy to split... those women are worth a mans time. There are plenty out there.
The problem is the lack of reciprocation, you do all of this because she is "traditional" but she is only traditional as it applies to what you are giving her. I am a traditional minded man I do believe in paying for dates but if she is not giving anything in return then I see no point in doing so. I'm not a paycheck nor a tool their must be reciprocation and women like this do not reciprocate so now you have paid for everything you have done everything she asks of you then what? She asks more all the while you have not gotten anything out of the relationship except a much lighter wallet and a lot less free time. That is not a fair exchange.
@hellionthesage she pays much more time money and energy into her physical appearance. Men get much more pleasure out of gazing at beautiful people, so paying for dates is actually reciprocation in itself to women's working on their beauty
@mistixs Nope. He has to buy expensive clothing and suits, he has to pay for his hair gel (quite common currently) he has to pay for his grooming products (razors after shave cologne) he has to pay for his gym membership so that he can stay in shape so she will find him attractive then he has to spend hours and hours at work to make money so that she will give him the time of day, buy a car the more expensive the better so that she will stay interested in him (she isn't going to be chauffeuring him around) and then you go hey pay for the expensive date (which he had to arrange most likely by meeting her some where that costed him a lot of money like a bar or club (which generally charge women less, you know ladies nights and all) which he then had to buy her drinks their to get her to even except a date to begin with) and plan and then he pays for the gas to drive her home only to do it all over again. So no that's not correct.
@mistixs Men don't give 2 craps about expensive clothing on girls... nail polish... makeup... Women do all those things to impress other women i think. Social media/female models have encouraged women to do those things not men. Stop seeking entitlement. Your not special. Your not worthy of a mans money if you don't want to pay for your meal... gold diggers like yourself need to be thrown off a very high place. If only.
@Jamesol1 studies show that it's men who have a bias for women who wear makeup, whereas women don't care
@Jamesol1 she is obsessed with the delusion that men judge looks more then men. She won't admit it is women. This is a common fault in the female gender as is being so obsessed with looks.
@mistixs Studies show pigs can fly. Seriously though anyone can come out with that line. When it comes to hooking up I'm sure... relationship wise... if she looks worse without make up or very different... I'm gone. I don't wear make up and some women find me attractive. So fuck it I'm not asking for much if i want a girl who is mildly attractive naturally.
@bobbyxx If you have watched love island you will know the dudes on there (show for really good looking dudes)... funnily enough watched by mostly women. Those dudes have banged 300-500 different women each. That proves being very attractive as a male gets you lots of women...
@mistixs and consistent studies show that women actually do focus on looks but they also focus on money too meaning that they will not date a good looking guy who has no money but they won't be dating an ugly guy with money either. This is fact. You want equality then be equal if you want things the way they use to be then show your devotion to the man. Men evolved to look for a woman who had good maternal instincts to ensure the survival of their offspring, that's also why they wouldn't commit to a woman who was a terrible person and why men consistently avoid relationships with women who are promiscuis. Its a whole lot more complicated then your trying to claim it is. Women gave what they had men gave what they have what you and the asker are arguing for is that the men give what he has and the woman give nothing in return. Its never worked that way and never will especially in an era where women demand special treatment but also are willing to be promiscuis.
@Jamesol1 "if she looks worse without make up or very different... I'm gone." So you have a preference for looks. Allow women to have a preference for money.
@hellionthesage I discourage promiscuity. And most women aren't promiscuous.
@mistixs never said they where I said its more complicated then your making it out to be. Your trying to state how its biological for women to want a man to give her stuff, fine but its also in our nature to want reciprocation which is not being provided thus its perfectly within their biological desire to walk away from a woman who demands everything and gives nothing. It was a stupid argument just like your "women spend more money looking good" because that's bullshit men spend almost as much money looking good then more money paying for the date and even more on transportation and then spend their time planning etc etc etc. Your making up excuses for why women should be allowed to be shitty human beings instead of stating that women should get what they want and men should just give it to them you should try giving something in return, that's how it works their must be a fair exchange of goods and services.
@hellionthesage yes they do reciprocate. They give sex and pleasurable brain reactions in men, and men reciprocate by paying for dates.
Oh men spend as much on their appearance as women? How come there's a billion dollar beauty industry for women but not men? How come women make up 90% of people who go under the knife?
@mistixs really? So he gets sex because that's all men get? Also is she putting out on the first date? And then we run into the tricky problem of why not just get a prostitute? Becaues what your suggesting is he pays for everything and he might get sex out of it and nothing more mean while he could just take that money get a prostitute and definitely get sex instead of the maybe if she feels like it several dates down the line. So women are prostitutes and men only want sex? As for your idiotic remark, women buy make up men buy everything else, women choose to do so they are not forced however what your suggesting is that men have to in order to get a date pay for everything. Again you make stupid arguments designed to argue for why you should be treated special and men like their nothing but a paycheck. But then we have been through this discussion more times then I can count so its not suprising.
@hellionthesage actually you are incorrect, we pay waaaay more! Salons are triple in price for our hair cuts easily. We could also discuss that just face cream alone is $74 (for me) an ounce. My foundation is $55. Lol, my hair spray is $17. These are just for starters hun, so when you say you need razors and hair gel, that's about... oh say $10! lolol!!
If men have to pay for the date then we should reconsider this equality crap and maybe bring back patriarchy or similar. The way I see it is if a guy is going to pay for dates and the women decides to blow the guy off then she should reimburse the guy for he's spent... also with interest for wasting the man's time of course. This should be a good law which will stop women being money grabbers.
Feminism is narcissism people.
@jjesica346 How about the good job the care the gas etc? Also you paying that much for all of that is quite literally your fault. Go to a regular hair cutting place and you can get the same thing for 20 dollars. Same goes for all the other stuff, as for make up who are you doing it for? Its not for guys from what every woman has told me so why the hell should the man have to pay for your life style choices? That's idiotic. Might as well throw your rent in as well why not have him pay because of that? Its a stupid argument you make a choice its not the guys fault that you can't spend more wisely and even that aside it still does not entitle you to his money.
@mistixs oh and also doesn't the man give the woman sex as well? and pleasurable brain activity (what ever the hell that's suppose to mean) so now we are back to square one, he gives away his money his time and his resource and gets nothing in return. Its kind of like saying how if he gives you a fifty and you give him a five its a fair exchange, it isn't and never will be.
@hellionthesage you do NOT get the same haircut anywhere you go! Yes, men are very visual... dont lie! I also use my money wisely. Instead of hobbies or concerts or whatever I could waste money on, I decide to use it on products (especially at this age). Soooooo explain this, w validity... if men aren't visual, then why do you all worship big fake boobs?
@jjesica346 i dont worship big fake boobs...
@jjesica346 Never said men where not visual, I stated it was your choice to throw that much money on things. As for "big fake boobs" most men do not, in fact the vast majority do not. The average pornstars breast size is average about 34b brunette and if you have ever seen them they are average looking girls. The fake breasts is what women think men want, men repeatedly tell women that to much make up is unattractive yet women do not listen, what you think men want and what men actually want is different. Just like how @mistixs stated men get sex from a relationship as if that is all men ever want that men do not wish to be loved or to love or to have a family or to be or have affection. Its a very shallow view of men that you and other women have. Yes men are visual but so are women and this is fact, its also fact that women have a very long list of criteria for men (lets be honest its not men saying they won't date any one under six feet or who doesn't have a good job).
@jjesica346 The fact is women want to be beautiful and they go to great lengths to do so, its not necessarily for men and this is even something women constantly claim that they don't dress provocatively for men or wear make up for men so which one is it are all of these done for men or are they done for yourself? Then ask what does he do to attract women maybe take all the risks of rejection getting rejected again and again and again, act a certain way talk a certain way be ambitious make money chauffer her around give her the money she clearly wants and in return he gets what again? See we still have the issue of the woman doing nothing for him he does all of this to attract a woman then takes all the risk then takes all of his money and she, she feels she is entitled to all of that without giving anything in return except maybe sex at some point in time (where he will do all the foreplay and he will be putting off his own pleasure to ensure hers). Its not a very good deal.
@jjesica346 As a traditionalist I believe in reciprocation, it does not have to be in the same form but it does have to take on the same quality as what I have put in and what you and others are arguing is that women should be absolved from this that by simple fact that they have a vagina they should be given preferential treatment. That's absurd.
@jjesica346 Of course we also have to factor in that long term men put so much more money into women then women have ever put into themselves that this is moot point to begin with, on average a man spends twice as much on women as women do on men, their is a reason why when a man gets into a relationship he starts budgeting himself, its because women are incredibly expensive his bills double and by extention hers gets halved. Again this is fact and we know it so I really don't understand why you would argue otherwise it seems odd to argue against what you and every other person experiences.
@hellionthesage I never said men should pay because we have vaginas, dont put words in my mouth!!! Its just what gentlemen do!!! That's it and that's that!!
@jjesica346 No its not and you know that you want them to pay you just stated that "just because" is not an answer and you know that as well as I do. I actually do pay but I have a reason beyond because she is a woman and deserves to have my money and that's the problem thus far neither you nor any other woman has provided a legitament reason for why I man should pay beyond you having a vagina. You and thus far no other woman commenting has provided a reason for why he should pay. What have you done for him what will he get in return? Everything is an exchange of goods and services yet you are stating that in this case he should simply give away what he has for nothing. That's why your claiming "that's that" because you know as well as I do that you have yet to answer that very fundamental question, if he is gentleman for paying then what are you for giving nothing in return?
@hellionthesage its like she's saying you have to pay her for her time
Lol sorry just poking the bear to see how long this will go on 😂
That's because you're a one sided person who thinks that your opinion is valid and others are not. Your opinion means nothing to me, editor or not.
I agree, I don't know why guys are complaining about this so much. this is the first date we're talking about here, being whiny like that it more of a turn-off
Lol these arguments are so shitty
Some woman said she buys face cream and hair spray and what ever else lol those are everyday products and guys buy them too my shampoo and conditioner alone are $85 each
If you wanna play that game i have a $55,000 car and a $38,000 truck depending on which one i drive determines how much money i spent on the date... thats how stupid you people sound talking about spending money on a date for your appearances like i said its a shot argument
Can we just leave it "women please offer to pay for at least half the meal and we will be fine with that, most of us will then have no problem picking up the whole tab... just dint be a bitch and assume we need to pay for you as men"
@arineunha Yah, because you're a girl and looking for free shit, so it's easy for you to say this. Another one sided person, shocker.
$8&@SleepingSnorlax $170 just for clean hair... huh! Mine is only $20 each, I use Chi... just curious what brand ya use. The foundation of this discussion is primarily based upon who pays for the first date.. right? So what's up w you? Either you are a liar or the cheapest person I ever seen!!
@jjesica346 lol are you made cause a 24 year old guy pays more for his shampoo then a grown woman does?
dont play dumb you know how exspensive that crap can be
My point is its fucking stupid and childish of you to say that the everyday products you use determine how much you "spend" on a date
Wait... why do you think men need to pay for you again? im serious i dont remember...
@SleepingSnorlax In the UK women are different... i worry for you guys in the US there is a big trend of overweight stupid feminsts over there.
@Jamesol1 i mean she's giving a bad idea of how women are here if she's American
Not all of them are childish like this one
To me it seems like she knows thatbshes wrong but is too stubborn to say so
@ManOnFire "women wouldn't want to fuck an ugly man but a guy would fuck an ugly girl" that's in case of casual sex not relationships, where looks are less important for women but more important for men
@hellionthesage "they won't be dating an ugly guy with money either" Actually it happens all the time
"doesn't the man give the woman sex as well? and pleasurable brain activity (what ever the hell that's suppose to mean)" men usually get more pleasure from sex than women.
And no, most women don't get much pleasurable brain activity from hot men. Men are more "visual" in that sense
by the way "RECIPROCATION" WHAT DO WOMEN GET IN RECIPROCATION FOR GESTATION THE MAN'S CHILD? When I made a post about men paying the financial price to equalize the physical price, people freaked out
@Mrwoo99 "If men have to pay for the date..."
If women have to put more effort into looking good for dates...
"then we should reconsider this equality crap and maybe bring back patriarchy or similar."
Why not matriarchy?
Also @hellionthesage "the birthpangs make men debtors to women" - teddy roosevelt
@mistixs Are you incapable of making your own money?
@dontknow12 are you incapable of getting your own pleasurable brain reactions from gazing at beautiful women aside from the girl you're sitting across?
Then it must be acceptable for her to wear a burqa, since you're capable of getting visual stimulation on your own, no?
@mistixs You're gonna die alone lmao
@mistixs Listen. All you do is roam around here complaining about how women are biologically wired to seek resources. You want to play that game? Men are biologically wired to fuck your pussy and leave you for a better looking woman so we can spread our DNA. Is that the kind of man you want? If not then stop using biology to justify your irrational behavior and make your own money if you want to buy stuff.
@mistixs Wrong as per usual: www.northwestern.edu/.../partners.html
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news.stanford.edu/.../dating-082405.html
Women want good looking guys as much as guys want good looking women, proven fact, its just that money is also desired by women (and height) both of which are irrelevant to a mans attraction. Don't believe me then please explain to me why the male celebrities women love all happen to have chisled jaw lines and six packs? If we look at romance novel (written by women for woman and read by women, its also the most read genre so a lot of women read them) what do you think the men are going to look like? Do you think their going to be okay looking, maybe a little fat or balding but with good personalities? Well lets see: https://www.covercafe.com/images/BTSCB/WTG/wtg2.jpg
Nope, how about this one: www.fabioinc.com/Bookcover_Shots/CHAMPIONLG.jpg
No again, how about this one: momentummoonlight.com/.../back.png
@mistixs Also no, gee their seems to be a theme amongst these I wonder what it is. The fact is women are attracted to attractive men, we all know this so why lie about it why try and pretend looks don't matter when they clearly do? As for the rest of your statement, really men get more pleasure from sex then women? Despite the fact that women have more nerve endings have orgasms that result in screaming and convulsions while the man pretty much doesn't make a sound and he gets more pleasure during sex? Wrong again. Men may want sex more but that doesn't mean he gets more pleasure from it also women want to be attractive and sexy so she gains again, see the problem with your argument? The only thing your saying women have to offer is basicly nothing. She can offer him nothing and that's why she should be paid for her time. As for birth, okay your telling me women don't want children? That they do it only for men and get nothing from it? Exactly.
@mistixs The problem is its a give and take she gets a lot from him and he should get something for his troubles, she should want to be with him for starters want to make him happy and see him as a human being instead of a tool to be used and discarded. Further more not every woman a man dates bares his children so that reasoning is, just like all your other arguments, horribly flawed. Oh a quote I can throw those out too:
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Now what? Where back to square one if a woman does not invest in the relationship but demands that a man does she is a hyprocrit and a narcissist. It does not need to be the same type of investment (money) but she must invest because the fact of the matter is he can walk away, he can choose not to pamper you and give away what is rightfully his (and which you have no claim to).
@mistixs So be a self absorbed sexist scum bag or act like a decent human being its your choice but don't fool yourself into believing that he has to put up with you because he doesn't he can simply find some one who will actually treat him like a person instead of a tool. You are not important enough for a man to have to submit to your twisted idea of how relationships work (him being a tool and you being treated like your gods gift to the world).
@hellionthesage "Men are biologically wired to fuck your pussy and leave you for a better looking woman so we can spread our DNA."
No, it is in wiring to help protect and provide for the child because it increases chance of their survival and we'll being
"Despite the fact that women have more nerve endings have orgasms that result in screaming and convulsions"
Many women can't organ and even the ones that do, do so less frequently than men
"The problem is its a give and take she gets a lot from him and he should get something for his troubles" so what does SHE get in return for her troubles in bearing his child?
@mistixs Wrong person I never wrote that. Also both of you over simplified it. As for your orgasm remark its literally irrelevant since you cannot determine that, she doesn't orgasm? Really is it that or that she doesn't achieve the level of orgasm she is capable of? If he orgasm and she doesn't but she still feels more pleasure then its irrelevant so an over simplification once again. What does she get from child birth? A child for one thing. A house as he will inevitably pay for it and his money and his time and his energy so she gains everything yet again, so again what does he get, he gets a child just like she does but then while her benefits continue (housing protection money etc etc etc) his stops right their plus lets be honest she will continue to be exploitive and selfish and treat him like crap (at least according to women like you), so again its not a very fair deal, its exchanging 50 dollars for a five and claiming its even.
@hellionthesage "If he orgasm and she doesn't but she still feels more pleasure" you think it's possible for an anorgasmic person to have more pleasure than an orgasmic?
"What does she get from child birth? A child for one thing. A house as he will inevitably pay for it and his money and his time and his energy"
But people keep saying that this should no longer be
@mistixs Your misunderstanding, your stating it as if a mans orgasm was the same as a womans orgasm and it isn't. If a race car and a minivan reach max speed are they going the same speed? No. Same with an orgasm just because they both can climax doesn't mean that they climax at the same point ergo to presume that if she doesn't orgasm it must mean she doesn't feel as much pleasure as him is erroneous, no different then assumeing a race car not going max speed must be going slower then a minivan going at max speed, they peak at different points. As for the second part no, at no point did I say a man should not give something in a relationship what I said is that a woman has to give as well what your arguing is that the man give up everything he has to the woman simply because she is a woman that's the part people are disagreeing with its that she is giving nothing in return, why is this difficult for you to understand, in all things he has given more then she has, she has simply
@mistixs stood by passively accepting all that he has to give while giving nothing in return, you claim she gives him sex but he also gives her sex and is socially pressured into ensuring her pleasure before his thus he is giving more in that situation, you say she gives him children yet she herself is getting a child so she is still benefiting meanwhile he is giving everything with minimal benefit he is investing in her so much time energy and money and she is giving nothing back, that's a bad investment if you invest in something you do so with the intent of a return, yet what you are arguing is that her mere existence should be return enough. It isn't. Just as his mere presents does not entitle him to sex your mere presents does not entitle you to his money that he earned that he worked for put energy into time into acquiring. It does not work that way any woman that wishes to be a leach is not worth a mans time. She must contribute in some fashion beyond existing
@mistixs otherwise he has no reason to be with you, he can get sex either for free if he picks up women or from a prostitute for less money, no commitment and since he is paying she is focused on his pleasure and so is he making it theoreticly a much more pleasurable experience. He can adopt and then he only has to pay for one person instead of the child and the free loading woman. See what you are arguing for is simply not in his interest to do, he can achieve all of what you said with a higher level of satisifaction and more cheaply by not going with the woman who simply uses him. That is why you contribute instead of being a leach because if you do not provide something then you have no value and he can go elsewhere and since your the one arguing for why you should be allowed to function like a parasite your the one who loses because you are dependent on him. That's why traditionally women actually respected loved and cared for their husbands, it was their way of contributing.
@hellionthesage "He can adopt and then he only has to pay for one person instead of the child and the free loading woman." Actually it costs money to adopt
It's fine if you want to pay for the first date, but men shouldn't be forced to just because they're guys. I strongly disagree that paying for the first date is something a guy "SHOULD do". This isn't the bloody 1950's.
Dude, so many people commented on your answer. That's a lot of freaking comments lol, did you read them all?
@mistixs Yes it does but the fact is once its done he doesn't have to worry about her divorcing him and taking away his child, he doesn't have to worry about a woman taking what he has rightfully earned as her own simply because she has a vagina and he doesn't. The fact remains he gives a lot, if you do not give anything in return then why would he waste his time with you? You are just as obligated to invest in the relationship as he does he can walk away at any time.
@hellionthesage men dont make sounds during orgasms? Lololol you are quite different my little friend!!!
@jjesica346 Most guys do not convulse uncontrollably for ten minutes while screaming at the top of their lungs, its usually very quit and no spasmings. I think that's pretty evident.
@jjesica346 Also not really sure what "my little friend" is suppose to mean but it sounds a little condescending.
@hellionthesage oh come the fuck off that, you watch porn no doubt. Unless the man is huge or the woman puts on a fake ass show, there is no screaming!! Ten mins? Uh no, dont think so boom boom! Most men (that I've been w) make noises when they orgasm, no not fuckin screaming, just loud grunting of some sort.
@jjesica346 Well I haven't had sex with men so I don't know that and I also know that it doesn't come close to a womans both in response and the simple fact that a woman has more nerve endings in her genitals then men do so this seems like an odd thing to argue about considering its so completely off topic.
@hellionthesage your the "master" of going off of the topic. Yes, ours is stronger, buts yours is easily attainable.
@jjesica346 I did not go off topic that was mistix argument for why women should own men or what ever bullshit she is trying to push. I was merely pointing out a womans is far more intense and as I explained to her one cannot simply presume its "easily obtained" if the point of orgasm is different that doesn't mean the level of pleasure is different. Just because a race car and a minivan are going at top speed doesn't mean their the same and just because they are going at the same speed doesn't mean both have reached their max speed. Its presuming something that is not verifiable.
They want free sex. But obviously some girl is dumb enough to give them effortless sex with no commitment or even no pampering. 😂😂😂😂 but they are bitter so they can't be getting too much.
@Kuqezi You're such a fucking idiot. A stay at home wife or mom is already fulfilling her part. In the end, it's up to both partners to determine what's right for them. Not some lazy, feminist fool.