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I don't care about paying on the first date because its gonna be cheap as fuck anyways.
But, going forward, you probably shouldn't write opinion pieces that go against women's perception of how things should be. They get catty as fuck, gang up on you, and hurl insults shaming you until you admit that they're right. Its actually pretty unattractive but I'm not sure they realize it. Or maybe they do and that's just who they are.
It is so attractive when a guy swoops in and grabs the check to pay once the waitress sets it on the table. When a guy takes charge like that you know he wants to impress you. If he wants to split it, you know he’s not that into you.
Not really, I split the bill even if I'm into someone. My law school is $57,000 per semester. I dont see spending money for someone I dont know unless there is a 100% return investment. I've got to much going out to just throw money away, and a lot of guys have this issue anymore.
I would go that far but going Dutch (equal sharing) seems reasonable to me on first date then for future dates take turns that way you can suit the date to your financial situation.
Every time I make a move to pay my half the guy doesn't let me. I think it's an ego thing. They feel more manly if they pay for both. Anyways I make the move and if they won't let me I won't fight it.
Just wrote a long sentence and then hit DELETE. If you wanna pay the bills GO RIGHT AHEAD , Then Ill stay at home All day in my PJ's enjoying the fact your out there working making me money. Ill watch the kid Ill clean the house and enjoy the maybe 2 hours of work. While watching my favorite tv show. <3 I would enjoy that crap
If guy asked me, he should pay. If I asked, I should pay.
First date I say who ever asked out who pays then following dates we pay for our own meals or 50/50 if that works better.
Umm no. The reason behind those double standards is because of biology. Men aren't punished by mother nature as much as women. Just accept it. Men in on average are paid higher than women for goodness sake so don't be selfish. We don't need more males rights activist.
Women aged 20-30 earn more than men of the same age. What "biology" are you talking about? Guys and Girls are perfectly equal the way I see it so no, girls should pay on the first date, or at least split the bill.
Umm no. Men on average are more cable of working with higher paid job. Sure I would love to see you work on your period or when your pregnant in heavy duty but high paying job.
www.google.com/search
And by the way I'm not even saying we should pay. We let them if they insist.
*always pay
Lol downvote the truth!
Whiners
I maybe against feminists but I'm against male's rights activists.
Now tell me. Do you even spend a lot for your make up and hair to look good for women?
moneyish.com/.../
I have an advanced degree and make below the poverty line, so I see where he's coming from.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ress-impress-other.html
@jmstarling Guys getting poorer is just the aftermath but in average, guys are still paid higher. I never said men should ALWAYS pay. You can say no anytime. If you don't wanna pay then don't get a date.
So why should I have to pay for a woman who makes more than me?
@jmstarling You don't have to go with women who makes more than you.
I'm not a male rights activist, and women being paid less has nothing to do with nature.
LOL I made $11k last year.
I like educated women. Educated women rarely make that little.
@jmstarling I didn't say you are. More point, those heavy lifting jobs, military, industry have a higher pay (which most workers are men) than day cares, office, babysitting service and it's illegal to pay someone less in the same job just because of their gender.
Women take more day offs than guys because of their cycles. That's my point of nature.
@jmstarling If you like educated women then be educated yourself.
As previously stated, I have a master's degree.
@Aiko_E_Lara I stated in this thread that I have an advanced degree. That hasn't translated into having a good job.
@jmstarling Then? It's not our fault you're looking for a woman with a master's degree. Are you saying you're paid less because you're a guy? Pathetic and illegal.
I said nothing of the sort. You're reading in so many foolish things that I can tell you are a presumptuous and judgmental person.
Although when I was on welfare, I got told on a daily basis by the job developer, "They wanted a female." They didn't disclose the company, so I had no recourse.
@jmstarling Ahem foolish things. Then if you said nothing about it then why are you still complaining and judging me?
That's under your circumstances then. I can also say you're reading some foolish propaganda.
-I never claimed I was looking specifically for women with master's degrees.
-I never claimed I said that I am paid less because I am a guy.
This is called a strawman argument. You are judging me over things I neither said nor implied. I think you confused me with the author of the MyTake.
Many men are homeless and many men are also successful and paid higher. What you're looking at are the dark truth and being one sided. In reality, we dominate the extremes of scales but you're looking at the negative side. Simple. If you don't want a girl then don't get a girl because men are suppose to pay if the girl don't insist paying.
The highest paying jobs are executive jobs, and there is nothing about them that inherently cause women to be paid less. That they are is strictly a cultural problem.
@jmstarling What if I told you, there are also men in executive jobs.
Apparently you don't understand my comment. I never imp[lied that there aren't.
@jmstarling And you never understand my opinion. You gave a wrong response my opinion
@LonelyGuy87 "men and women are equal" then why "should" girls pay?
Well I'm a mens rights activist that is better off then you due to smart financial decisions. Like not paying for every gold digger I date. I've gone on 18 first dates in one week before. Do you know how expensive that would be if I actually paid. 🤣
Also, you want to compare expenses to look good? Okay, I love this game. 😈
Hair cut + highlights $120.
Designer cloths $200-$1600 (depends what brand I go with).
Jewelry $4000 (I love diamonds).
Designer sunglasses $250.
Designer prescription glasses $750 (limited edition).
Versace wallet for dates so $500.
My cheapest pair of shoes for basketball are $150, my nice ones for going out range from $600 - $1300.
Oh can't forget hair care and other products $250.
Depending on the wheater either one of my lighter coats at $150 - $500, or my fur coat at $5000.
Oh shaving products roughly $65
So let's add that up real quick... on the low end ~$7000, on the high end ~ $14000.
So if it's based on how much we spent getting ready, I always win. 🤗
@Tyme1313 We don't need activists for both genders. You're just willing to pay for those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWluJxW4Es&t=184s
You sound like those girls. How oppressed you are! If you don't wanna pay for those then don't. We only need food, water and oxygen (which is free) to survive not your personal wants.
So I require legal equality, and I'm like a feminist.
So, you are completely delusional then...
Also, I pay for those because I like them, but women can't use an excuse of, "well I had to pay to get ready," on me. Because no matter what, I have always outspent them by leaps and bounds. As such, they can pay for their part of the meal. They are big girls, they'll be fine.
@Tyme1313 Then you're as bad or as one sided as them. The shame. I'm not advocating women's rights nor men's rights. I'm just accepting what society has to offer and be a MAN. I'm a feminist according to some feminist who ruins the ideology or maybe according to you but I'm an anti feminist and there's a term called GENTLEMAN which is not a feminist. If they don't like guys who pay for them I won't bother. If you're such a male's rights activist then don't date.
One more point. You're all just sharing me a propaganda of women getting richer with out even sharing us how or why. And again, it's illegal to pay someone less just because of their gender.
Your responses to me have been consistently wrong.
@jmstarling And you don't have to respond. Saying I'm wrong doesn't always make you right.
Oh I date plenty, I just dont pay. I am 100% an MRA, and said so proudly even in person. Oh by the way, a MAN, is any male who is post pubescent. So if you've got a dick and finished puberty, you are a man. Congratulations on failing at your "no true scotsman" fallacy. 👍 I've moved beyond the concept of Gentleman, I'm far more refined then may who would claim to be gentalmen. But evidently far more intelligent as well.
@Tyme1313 Words words. You date but don't pay and you date plenty. What a player! I doubt that toxic relationship will last. That only makes you a horrible person just being honest. If you don't believe me then that's not my problem. by the way your talking about yourself man physically but you're a boy personality wise.
"being a man physically"
Growing old is mandatory but growing up is a choice but it doesn't mean you have no consequences for it.
If girls left you because you played them and don't even pay, don't blame them but yourself.
It doesn't mean you're right, either.
@jmstarling But the statistics I gave remains as a fact
What are you trying to say when you showed me that article of girls getting richer? I can disagree with that to the fullest.
You haven't given any statstics...
I'll reply to the others later, I'm getting fresh highlights done right now. ✌😁
I mean I've already gave you a reason to disagree with that article of yours. Look here. It's not her fault she makes money more than you. She is still only have to pay if she insists.
I posted this in another comment and this is 2018 www.cnbc.com/.../...d-women-earn-at-every-age.html
@Tyme1313 Why don't you search for it. I've sent an entire google image link in this thread.
@Aiko_E_Lara
Yea, I've been grown since I was 13. I have the capability to use logic, unlike some. For example, you are once again using the "no true scotsman" fallacy. You are claiming that specific mannerisms and actions are what make you a "man." Which is false from a scientific standard in multiple ways, let me list a few; biologically, sociologically, psychologically, anthropologically, and of course genetically. You are a "man," so long as you are biologically male, and you have finished puberty, period.
No, she has to pay, if he decides he isn't. You seem to be confusing fantasy with reality again. If you elect not to pay, she can pay for her own shit, or get arrested for theft. Thems the breaks.
@Tyme1313 "Yea, I've been grown since I was 13" Still words. Your attitude don't prove anything. And what do you know about me using the no true scotsman fallacy? Is that your excuse to continue whining? Lame
Again, You're talking about growing old but not growing up. You have a body of a 23 years old but not your mind. It's not our fault you can't earn more and It's not our fault you're still looking for dates even tho you're broke. No body's fault but yours. Accept it and do something about it. I'm not even saying you still have to pay even if she insists.
25*..
I tested at the top of the united states at 13, I started college at 16, I currently have 3 degrees, in law school, and a member of MENSA. I've been grown since 13, I've had the body I have since 14. 🤷♂️
Oh, I'm not broke, I'm just not paying for anyone else.
By the same token, it's not a man's fault if he makes less, especially if he is educated. The job market sucks right now. More than half of all job creation is minimum wage, so educated people have to compete for fewer positions than there are people, and when your resume is discarded because you don't have as much experience, there is absolutely nothing you can do, since experience requires getting hired..
@Tyme1313 Wow humble! Way to prove me right.
@jmstarling That applies for women too. Again like what I've said, it's illegal to be sexist and pay someone less just because of their gender. Sure if you don't wanna pay then go ahead if you're having that experience. That's under your circumstances but it doesn't mean men general shouldn't pay.
But you're failing to see your own sexism.
@jmstarling And you fail to see your pride being shattered. You have no point calling me sexist.
Again, you say bizarre things that make it seem like you think you've been conversing with only one person this whole time.
@jmstarling And you think you're not bizarre as well?
Everything I have said has been rational and reasonable, while you seem to think I'm the guy who wrote the essay above.
talk about "women should pay the bill" you think that's not bizarre? Sure you never said that but aren't you agreeing with the mytake owner?
I can also say "Everything I have said has been rational and reasonable, while you seem to think I'm the guy who wrote the essay above."
"so I see where he's coming from." That's what you said. And yeah I'm not even using any personal attack on you and now you're offended and calling me bizarre and sexist. My point of your shattered ego.
Ok what's more, dating multiple women at a time, and not paying for the dates doesn't make me a horrible person. It makes me logical. I'm saving time looking for a future wife. I'm not looking for dependent so I'm getting rid of the gold diggers first. Next I must assess their mentality, spiritually, political beliefs, and overall fitness for the position of girlfirend/future wife. Dating 15 women at once permits me to weed them out steadily and find the right one. Life is too short to waste 2 years getting to know one girl.
Next, call me a player if you want, at least I'm having fun. 🤣 Also, nothing toxic about me, I simply use logic and play the odds. Also, I'm typically the one to break it off. I have little to no patience for bullshit, so the moment they bring any into my life, i get rid of them. The fact you used the word "toxic" tells me you certainly are a snowflake. Word to the wise, women dont respect or have any admiration for men that are pushovers.
Did you even read the link included in that post? You sound like you'r attacking a monolith, which is strawmanning those who didn't write the essay.
You haven't been proven right, you have been proven foolish thought.
Men, should not pay for anyone other then themselves, anyone that does is an imbecile and is blowing money unnecessarily.
Also, I dont do humble, when you're better, you're just better.
@jmstarling
Perhaps you should write an essay, they permit proper argument.
@Tyme1313 Another ego bruised great attack. by the way it just means you're not loyal. You're hurting their feelings. Being a player because there are women who don't respect men is not a good reason to justify that. You're fighting fire with fire which makes things worse. To be fair, there are women against those bitches and I'm against that toxic attitude of yours you called "logical" that don't make you always right.
@jmstarling I have to agree with that second article you shared. They do it for other women but there are women who do it for men too. And again, because I strongly disagree with the mytake and you agree with it, I have to give the reasons why I disagree. You're just judging me of how I disagree. If you disagree with my opinion then I disagree with you disagreeing with me. Simple. If you think that way then that's not my problem. If you didn't even disagree with me, why bother posting articles that's the opposite of my opinion? You post that as your own opinion you know.
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I disagreed with your initial comment that the double standard has to do with biology. It doesn't.
@jmstarling There's that simple disagreement I'm looking for.
Anyways this is still my opinion I can still give you my point. If you don't care about the biology difference of men and women then I do care and that alone gives men and women a big difference in performance. Men in general have 10x the testosterone and women having to bleed every month means they can't work as hard as guys and they have to take more leaves so they earn less. If you're a single guy, you don't have to worry about anything and not having to buy girls needs like pads/tampons and pain medications. I do admit they've been taking it too far but it's not a reason to just deny them. It is only reasonable to deny them if they use that to manipulate you. Women paying is still ridiculous. I'm not even saying men should pay even if women insists. We don't have biology like them so we should work for our share.
Testosterone doesn't mean men have a bioligical need to pay for everything. That is the point.
@Tyme1313 It's to you how you believe it but what you said doesn't mean it should generally apply to men. You being selfish is still a general opinion.
If you don't care what people say then cool. It doesn't change the general opinion. Your idea of being "logical" only benefits you. There's something called equity![Girls Should Pay The Bill On The First Date!]()
Or you could've at least split the bills if she likes it. If girls dump you, it's not their fault. You maybe mentally logical but you're not emotionally logical.
There is nothing selfish, it is a statement of fact, men do not have to pay, and they should not pay, for anyone but themselves. Anyone who pays for everything is an irresponsible imbecile. That is just fact.
I care nothing about equity, no one deserves anything extra. You get equality, that is what is legally required.
I dont care about emotions, I'm not looking for a dependent. So I'm not going to pay for someone I dont know. There isn't an issue of getting dumped. If she takes issue with paying, I drop them right then. I dont have time for dealing with children, gold diggers, or dependents. If she doesn't like it, that's not my fault, or my problem. She can just deal with it, she's a big girl, she'll be fine.
@Tyme1313 And I don't care if you don't care. You're still selfish and it still doesn't change our general opinion. Just because you think that way it doesn't mean men shouldn't pay in general and be a player. Since when was it a women's rights to be a gold digger? Can't tell me? Then you don't have the rights to be a player.
The things is your opinion, isn't the general opinion. The majority of males age 18 - 29 agree with me. That's the thing, women who demand men to pay, ARE GOLD DIGGERS, so it is socially encouraged by the imbeciles who say men should always pay.
@Tyme1313 Also, majority of males are agreeing with me. I'm being biased with that general opinion but that doesn't change anything. You don't care you're selfish then good for you just like feminists don't care they're bitches.
You don't even have to go with women who demand men to pay. No body's forcing you but you only have to go with her so that you can have sex with her. That's playing.
I'm stalking you...👀 by the way it's *MENS who in the actual fuck says MALES right's activist you're so weird 😩😩
I want to sound unique hehe and i have no idea what mgtow was before. They're just like feminists. Both whiny.
😂😂omg I'm gonna use that! That's clever.
@MelaninDoll Oh and that wasn't plural lol. I meant men's hehe apostrophe
I think it depends. If the boy is richer, why should the girl paid? a real men should treat the girl nicely, and paying a bill for the girl will make them happy! Dont you guys want to make your girls happy on your date? it's not about the money, but showing respect and showing that you care.
But Im totally agree on splitting the bill :)
Honestly, I think whoever asks the other out should pay. If the girl asks the guy out on the first date, she should pay... if it's the guy, then he should pay.
"Men and Women Are Equal
A surprisingly large amount of people still think a guy should pay, especially girls."
What this really means is that neither men nor women think men or women are equal. We just want to pretend they are until it matters. Why else do we segregate the genders in sports?
Y'all gyals insist on equal rights nd stuff so I believe tht it's only normal for a girl to pay for or split the bills
There's nothing wrong with tht however some males have the tendency to B stuck in the male chauvinism ideology not tht it's bad but for females such as myself; it's a bit hard to digest cuz we're so independent nd stuff; it just wouldn't fit our principles to let the guy pay even if he insist on it nd is just being sweet...
It is a gentleman thing to do to pay for the first date after that it's fair game.
Each can just pay for their own if we are in fact equal
I agree
I'm a prize that isn't deserved to just anyone
This is the attitude of almost every female - where's the equality?
Ikr
I can't believe i got a thumbs down by some pink account
the hypocrisy
I think the bill should be split, it saves the arguments
who cares man, who ever pays pays its not really a competition, i've been paid for by girls a lot, its cool really i will return the favor, if i wanna take her and pay i will, if she offers to pay and really means it cool she can pay, i truly dont care who pays and who doesn't its not like we are going to fancy resturants 24/7 , most young people have pretty cheap dates.
forget the who pays part and just enjoy it, if it ain't fun no amount of money will help.
You do realize, nymphomaniacs have existed for centuries right? If women are far outperforming men... do something about it. You wouldn't be the first guy to do the impossible and you won't be the last.
What are you talking about?
What don't you understand?
On the first date I think you pay for your order.
and then after see how it goes to think of paying the full bill.
I'm a baller, i make plenty and have money to spare. i pay for first dates unless she really wants to split the ticket.
I've never dated a girl who made more than me. I would LOVE to date a girl who made more than me, cause we would make so much money and be able to do so many things. Ah well, cest la vie.