Girl tries two Tinder profiles: One where she tries to look her best, and one where she tries to look ugly. Fascinating results!

[Robertcw]

So a YouTuber by the name of Alyssa Ruby decided to go on Tinder for the first time.

She wanted to test the difference between an ugly girl’s experience on the app and a pretty girl’s experience on the app. The way she decided to do this was to try her best to look ugly in one profile and then try her best to look pretty in the other profile and compare which got more matches with the same amount of swipes.

Here’s the video:

So here’s the quick summary. The ugly profile got more matches.

I love this result.

The reason I love it is it supports my theory that the 80/20 theory where 20% of guys are getting 80% of girls is wrong.

I also love that she seems kinda offended and hurt at realizing that just maybe guys are just swiping on anything with boobs. And that’s exactly what I think is going on.

Tinder data shows, unanimously, that women get way more likes and much higher match ratios than men. And that women swipe right way less frequently than men. And by way more likes I really mean way more. They get somewhere between 4-10x as many matches per swipe than men. Combine this with statistics that male sexlessness for men under 30 is skyrocketing exponentially with female sexlessness under age 30 remaining constant you get the 80/20 theory that somehow 20% of guys must be having sex with 80% of all women. But I’m no longer convinced. Why?

Two reasons. One, hot guys only get at most a 25% match ratio on the app. And it’s probably somewhere between 15%-25%. Average guys get about a 1% match ratio on the app. Each hot guy matches with different women. Not the same ones on every profile. But the same cannot be said for women. They’ll all get liked by the same men regardless of who the girl is.

And two, and this is what made me sure I was right, when the same girl made an ugly profile and a pretty profile the ugly profile got more matches than the pretty profile in the same number of swipes for each.

All this suggests that rather than a few guys getting all the girls, all the guys are swiping indiscriminately at all the same girls above a certain minimum threshold that probably only requires one not be overweight, have boobs and not be dead.

Thus, women can actually all have exactly the same men like them all at the same time. Effectively making it as if the swiping process never happened! Think about it. Say we had a bag of colored ping pong balls and we wanted people to choose the color ball they wanted by looking at cue cards with photos of the available balls. They can either like or dislike the cue card to save their preference. Then the ping pong balls can choose among the potential people by seeing photos of the available people on cue cards. But their choices haven’t been narrowed down at all cause all the people all chose all the ping pong balls.

So anyway, the ping pong balls don’t choose like the other group. They each pick different people, with the occasional accidental overlaps spread out somewhat randomly.

Each person is chosen by very few ping pong balls, if any at all. While all the ping pong balls are all chosen by tons of people. And yet, no particular person is getting all the ping pong balls. That’s because all that happened was all the people in their end chose all the same ping pong balls in the beginning. Literally makes no difference.

The people the ping pong balls choose are distributed somewhat randomly with occasional small overlap. And also has nothing to do with the way that people all chose all the ping pong balls.

I believe this is exactly what’s going on with Tinder. Girls have a lot of casual sex, but they don’t have that much. More than guys? Yeah. But one girl sleeping with with the entire male Tinder population, or the entire hot guy male Tinder population? Nah. I don’t think so.

Think about it. A girl with 700 matches could have sex with 700 guys. But how often does that happen? (Read: like almost never). How many matches do hot guys get when fake profiles are tested? 15-25%, not 80%. Even if all the girls of that 15-25% fuck him, and maybe they do, that’s a far cry from 80% of all women going after 20% of all men. More like 15-25% of the available women accidentally overlapped with each other cause’ this one guy was widely appealing in that way.

It could be that for any and all overlap, it happens always with a hot guy. Sure, but does that mean 80% of women are going after 20% of men?! Well, given make sexlessness is 30% this year for men below 30 and 18% this year for women below age 30, it is possible that 12% of women’s choices are a overlapped randomly across 20% of men. But that’s still not the same thing as saying that 80% of women want 20% of men. In which case 78% of women are sexing 70% of men. That makes much more sense.

Again, more evidence to suggest that the 80/20 rule does not apply.

Can 25% add up really fast? Yeah. Take 1,000 swipes and you get 250 matches. Most men will never have sex with 250 girls. But maybe a hot guy could. Sure. But 800 girls out of 1,000 swipes?!? Nah. Not happening. Definitely not 80%.

Girls going after 20% of guys?!? 200 men out of 1,000 swipes (some girls maybe, yes). Most girls?!? No. I don’t think so. Many girls tell me they are either in the 10-20 range, or the 20-40 range. Rarely more than that. We’re they all super hot guys? No.

When asked, most people with high partner counts (20+) responded in a poll that the majority of their sexual partners were average or below in looks. Again, more evidence to debunk the 80/20 myth.

I just don’t see it adding up or playing out. The only possible way it could make any sense is if the same guy gets a bunch of virgins. Then, maybe. And that might actually happen irl. But I thought most girls lose virginity in relationships. Which makes it very hard to pull something like this unless the guy was a serial cheater — which could very well be.

But outside the virgin hypothetical I don’t see it being a possibility.

Kinda terse and whatnot but there ya go. I will be testing four profiles in the future. One hot guy, one average guy, one hit girl and one average girl and all do the same number of swipes on all of them and compare the results. I need to do it for science! Stay tuned.

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[That_Skinny_Chick]

The desperation for copulation throughout the population leads to much frustration and indignation.

[manmeat]

do u copulate much?

[That_Skinny_Chick]

@manmeat sometimes, why?

[Robertcw]

With what kinds of guys?

[Robertcw]

All the guys on Tinder be like: music.apple.com/.../955679172?i=955679184

[tonicandgin]

@Robertcw dumbass assumption. you must be a loser

[That_Skinny_Chick]

Guys that are nice and fun to hang out with.

[Robertcw]

@tonicandgin what are you talking about? Lol.

[tonicandgin]

Girls like "bad boys" fuck you. Typical loser male

[Robertcw]

@tonicandgin What? lol.

[MrOracle]

No one said that the 80/20 rule applied specifically (or exclusively) to Tinder - Tinder is a unique environment with a specific subset of people.

Also, the 80/20 rule talks about the single people HAVING CASUAL SEX - it excludes the people not single, or not having casual sex at all. That right there makes a lot of your assumptions and subsequent math invalid. Sure, it's still probably not exactly 80/20 - that's a generalization - but it illustrates that of the people having casual sex, it's a relatively small group of very attractive men who are having sex with the much larger pool of women (but, still, limited to women having casual sex - it's not out of "all women").

[OlderAndWiser]

I have always assumed that the 8/20 "rule" is just an excuse used by socially inept guys so they don't need to take responsibility for the fact that they are social failures. Much easier to simply blame your failures on women having unrealistic standards; nest step: send in your dues to MGTOW!

[Unit1]

😂 🤣
"Much easier to simply blame your failures on women having unrealistic standards"
Oh well. This does sound sort of like me (minus the blaming part i suppose). MGTOW. com here is my inquiry 📜

[Robertcw]

I mean, yeah. But what failures? You just upload a photo, write a little bio and that’s it. There’s not really anything to fail at.

[OlderAndWiser]

That is one of the failures! You think you can upload any photo and write anything in a bio and a girl should just fall for you. There is an art to posting an attractive profile.

I am an attorney but I never reveal that in my profile. I'm 64 years old, and am average in the looks department. I have done online dating three different times in my life and never had a problem getting dates because I learned how to present myself in a way that would attract female interest.

[Robertcw]

Uh. Well I suppose. That sounds like so much work.

I don’t get why there isn’t a mutual instinctual attraction between two genetically compatible people. It should be visually obvious when two people have compatible genomes.

Anyway, I’m going to try Pheramore. They take a check swab and sequence your HLA genes and match you with genetically compatible partners to ensure physical chemistry and attraction. It seems so obvious to do that. Don’t know why nobody has thought of it before.

[OlderAndWiser]

I would be interested in hearing your results on that.

[Anonymous]

To try to keep it polite, your interpretation is bad.

"80/20 theory"
This number is taken firstly from an OkCupid data analysis and the actual conclusion was that 80% of men are considered below average. This was a very wild number and it got muddied over time and interpreted by some as 20% of men "get" 80% of girls. This was backed up by later tinder and other data that had similar numbers. It's not quite right, but it seemed a good rule of thumb.

tl;dr you straw-manned the whole 80/20 thing.

Turns out that more recently there have been investigations into rising sexlessness among young men and the actual number of sexual occurrences for men is really 20% of young men are involved in 60% of male sexual occurrences. It's not 80%, but it's still very wild to consider.

"she seems kinda offended and hurt at realizing that just maybe guys are just swiping on anything with boobs"
All she had to do was ask and she would have learned that it was the case. I don't even think it's necessarily about boobs. When I used tinder I wouldn't even look at the screen I would just run my finger across the screen to the right repeatedly for a minute or two until I ran out of likes. This is not some spontaneous thing, this is very much contributed to by getting that 1% like ratio: It's just not worth the time.

"How many matches do hot guys get when fake profiles are tested? 15-25%, not 80%. Even if all the girls of that 15-25% fuck him, and maybe they do, that’s a far cry from 80% of all women going after 20% of all men."
This is only looking at matching data. This is different than asking the question "is this person attractive?" There's a ton of reasons girls swipe left on an attractive guy. Plus women in contrast to men's over-swiping, tend to swipe less as a response; they are unusually discriminatory here. There's cultural attitudes about tinder to consider.

If we're relating this to the other numbers then we should also be looking at this number of match ratio for average guys. Getting 15-25% of matches verses 1% is still a wild difference. I think that speaks to the same problems.

"In which case 78% of women are sexing 70% of men. That makes much more sense."
I think you meant 82% of women. So having a 12% margin in a population is going to be noticeable. That's not just something we can shrug off.

"most people with high partner counts (20+) responded in a poll that the majority of their sexual partners were average or below in looks. Again, more evidence to debunk the 80/20 myth."
What are you even saying? That doesn't debunk it at all. 80% would include average and below women. But even using the 60/20 values, that's still true. I think you've mistaken that all attractive women must be in that 80% or 60%; they don't need to be.

"The only possible way it could make any sense is if the same guy gets a bunch of virgins. Then, maybe. And that might actually happen irl. But I thought most girls lose virginity in relationships."
Virginity doesn't need to be involved. These justification are just not holding up.

" I will be testing four profiles in the future"
It's fine if you collect the data, but please don't do any more write ups on them. This was bad. Just give us the raw data.

[Robertcw]

I am speculating. Of course. There’s no way to prove that i’m right. But based on what i see that’s what I believe.

[DDpsy]

"One, hot guys only get at most a 25% match ratio on the app. And it’s probably somewhere between 15%-25%. Average guys get about a 1% match ratio on the app. Each hot guy matches with different women."
Those two stats alone do not say anything that either confirms or disprove the 80/20 premise if we do not know the total number of matches that happen , the real proportion of hot guys and the number of actual swipes the two groups do.

If we do however use 20% as the percent of hot guys which I don't think is so binary and if we assume that all men swipe roughly the same number of times. The premise kind of holds.

If every hot guy gets 15-25 matches for every 1 the non top 20% gets then for every 100 guys we have.
20*(15 to 25)= )=300 to 500
80*1=80
Then we get 300/380=0.78 to 500/580=0.86

So if the proportions would be so clear cut that the top 20% get 15%-25% matches and the rest get 1% matches the top 20% would get 78% to 86% of all matches. Provided they all swipe the same number of women. This assumption is probably not true but probably not very far off either.

[Robertcw]

Good points. You should test this out.

[devilman666]

The 80% going for 20% isn't meant to be exact on the numbers or even necessarily close, it is about the statement. High percentages of women are fighting over the highest status/above average males to the point that average and below average males will swipe right on anything that resembles a woman in the hope that they get laid. They dont try to go for the attractive woman, if anything, then I think this shows that average men are more likely to go after an ugly girl because she is more likely to be into them.

https://muchneeded.com/tinder-statistics/

I think the most importsnt demographic/statistic here is males swiping right 45% of the time and women swiping right 14%

Take a look at this too

medium.com/.../tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a

[devilman666]

I'm not necessarily agreeing with the 80% 20%, but i definitely think this inequality exists to some extent, where high percentages of average males are fighting over below average attractive women where as high percentages of average and above average attracive women are fighting over above average attractive men.

[devilman666]

Also, this social experiment is a fail. I just watched the first couple minutes if the video and she seems to be swiping right to everything. This will obviously screw over the data in terms of the 80%20% rule because she is saying yes to all men. Of course when you swipe right only 15% of the time you will get few matches and messages.

[devilman666]

Basically, she got more matches because she swiped right to everything.

[RustyTinCan]

Yeah, Tinder's a terrible way to find whatever you're looking for in my opinion. I've noticed that both guys and girls on there tend to have poor quality profiles, so if you're like me and you don't swipe on girls indiscriminately, you tend to be competing for the more interesting and attractive women on there when they get so many matches that it's not really practical for them to look through all of them.

If I remember right, let's say 60% - 80% of profiles were something along the lines of "looking for my The Office romance", "idk just ask", or "give me your money", so I was naturally swiping on 60% - 90% of profiles. As you can guess, I got few matches and they never went anywhere.

in my opinion, if you're a guy (probably even if you're a hot one in the eyes of many women), the odds are stacked against you getting matches even if you really lower your standards and if you're a girl, you're probably swimming through dick pics and bad pickup lines in the DMs. I suspect there are a number of reasons for this, but a big contributing factor is Tinder's fundamental design, which tends to favor flashy profile pics and a metric shit-ton of pickup lines. Really, it's like speed dating but without actually talking to a majority of the people involved.

Thanks for the MyTake, by the way; from what I've seen elsewhere, this seems pretty solid.

[SjE78]

tbf Tindr isn't exactly the best place to do a test like this, and for those of us who've used dating app's over the years, it's hard to swipe on anyone and make it meaningful or a reasonable choice if all you get in their profile is

"I hate hi, hello, hey" or pretty much any form of greeting...
or
"ask"
or some other bs that is supposed to be in the 'About me' section I wanna learn about some one and hopefully be able to approach them but many profiles are filled with either nothing or so much negativity which makes them unapproachable that it tends to turn off any of our interest in them...
as for the many many many who are only interested in hookups but claim they are interested in 'only' serious relationships, yes i met so many of those online it's almost like a damned pandemic...
and then the worst are the scammers who seem to manipulate you into feeling sorry for them to then try and get money out of you...
met so many of those too, unfortunately the issues are that those sorts are getting smarter and more mistakable for actual genuine profiles, sure some or most of them you can see through their profiles and spot them, but nowadays it is much harder to do so...

I have had both equalling results in both online and real life dating methods
and the one's i only see a pic of if i like something about them physically i click maybe (if the option is there) or pass or like most the time though if they dont have anything about them i click pass...
if i gonna date or be with anyone i wanna get to know them first and the 'about me' section gives a rough idea of whether they are compatible or interesting enough to make that choice

if it's only got "Ask" or "just ask " and when I ask, and get the usual "Stuff" or "why you ask?"

then yeah that's gonna be a no from me

[Robertcw]

I think ordinary dating has always been way easier to get and find. Hookups are way harder.

And that’s why Tinder is hard. Guys on the app aren’t necessarily looking for actual relationships. They could just find someone in real life for that. They want multiple people coming over each week.

[SjE78]

thing is with ordinary dating and online dating... each method works for specific people where as the alternate doesn't, I've know women on Tindr who have found their life partner's and even settled down with... not all are out for a hookup, as for guys have a couple of friends on there who one met his girlfriend on there and the other isn't having much luck... but like any dating app or in real life meet ups etc you can get the same results from both or get varied results depending on what you looking for and availability of who is genuine or not

[ForbesMagazine]

However, in March 2015, the website Medium published a statistical analysis quantifying the degree of inequality on Tinder as a dating market. The analysis concluded that "the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men.

The Gini coefficient for the Tinder dating market based on 'like' percentages was calculated to be 0.58. This means that the Tinder economy has more inequality than 95.1% of all the world's national economies. In addition, it was determined that a man of average attractiveness would be 'liked' by approximately 0.87% (1 in 115) of women on Tinder."

medium.com/.../tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinder_(app)#Concerns

[Red-Blaze]

I have to say that at least from the video can't take much
Main issue is she written the "ugly" profile and give photos of it that together really just look like a joke, its pretty clear its makeup done really bad, and with the text below it looks like its a joke
Meaning that over all most will likely think she dose not look bad, and that its a joke how it looks there
So ya they will contact her as of that

I really don't think that this shows much on anything at all on the matter, and beside that its on a dating app, that shows very little over all, if I got it right one of them even faked there location so they can't really meet, so as much as I can guess sounds like some of it is not going any where

Its a cute idea, and the myTake is interesting but just from the video I really take nothing really

[Glue-Sniffer]

Obviously, anyone who sees the bad make up pic knows this is a joke.
She should have gone with uncombed greasy hair, a few zits here and there, dark eye rings or eye bags, a few acne scars, and bad eyebrows instead if that silly make up that only makes this look like a joke.
This is not an experiment this is a another silly YouTube hungry for fame.

[blondfrog]

I remember reading a reddit thread with a lot of comments about Ok Cupid. It basically said the same thing what you just said, but about OKcupid. Dating sites aren't effective for men, but effective for women, but for the wrong reasons. Men actually try to get dates on their with very little success and most women use datings sites just for the attention. Women by choice don't date or have sex with most of the men because it's too risky or and they don't like most of the guys they match up with.

[Robertcw]

“or and they don't like most of the guys they match up with.” I know this is true. Girls have showed me their likes on okcupid and they don’t like what they see most of the time.

[Mamamialetmego]

20/80 rule suggest women will fight eachother to get 20% of men and these men will have easy access for sex because women throw themselves to them.

But it isn't like that becuase women don't trust the internet that's all. Or they are too insecure and scared by rejection so they never initiate.

Women prefer live connection because they evolved to look more behavior rather than how men looks when choosing partner.

They just use online dating to boost their ego or get some money or followers to their social media. There are women look for sex and get sex i've encounter them a lot but majority aren't like that. Majority women don't trust the internet.

Average looking men with little bit confidence can have much much higher chance in the real world.

[Mamamialetmego]

Also women play passively they try to look desirable and sexy as much as possible and then wait guys to approach them.

And last, what i realized women don't spend online dating as much time as guys. I've seen women answer me or matched with me that i've messaged or swiped months ago.

So just have confidence and develop communation skills and go out to real world. That's more quick, effective and fun.

[Mamamialetmego]

Real world has less competition because all these desperate, needy guys do online only. Online is easy, real world is hard.

[rlivston]

I believe you're overthinking and overanalyzing this. The answer, in my opinion, is a little simpler than statistics and swipes. I believe that the ugly picture got more swipes because the men saw the beauty in you waiting to come out and felt like you were less likely to reject or ignore them and therefore had a better chance with the "ugly" girl than the "pretty" girl on the assumption of that and also that there would be less of a chance of competition among other men for you. Men dont like rejection or competition and avoid those things when pursuing a women. It's a matter of male ego and psychology not statistics. And men often see beauty in women they themselves cannot see.

[HereIbe]

Stupidly designed non-experiment. The "ugly" isn't "ugly", it's "Obviously intentionally different and weird", and the "pretty" one isn't all that pretty. It looks just "off", somehow. Maybe she SUCKS at makeup so badly that when she intentionally tries for "bad", she manages to not do such a piss-poor job of it. Look at her face in the left vs. the right. On the left, the makeup blotches look silly, but her face actually looks like it has a BETTER SHAPE! On the right, she looks really uncanny valley, almost inhuman. Too sharp, too angular, too PLASTIC. This is just another piece of bullshit.

Likewise, the poses: On the left, the whole package says "This chick might be worth getting to know just because she's really put herself out there, she's not just another plastic barbie wannabe." On the right, it says "Made-up, hard, harsh-looking, tries too hard, plastic."

Amateurs screw up science so badly. I could design a proper experiment, but I only do that if I get paid.

[BeMuse]

In one she was a bland unattractive girl with normal make up. In another she was a bland unattractive girl with a sense of humor that made her make up look ridiculous to get attention which made guys laugh. Thus she won on personality alone with the “ugly” and lost by being bland and average on the “pretty”… That’s all there is to that… She peacocked...

[Supernatural_fanatic]

Interesting. Now which would you prefer?

[BeMuse]

@Supernatural_fanatic I don’t find her attractive looks wise. She did make me laugh with the funny make up though. So she scored 1 brownie point like that.

[BeMuse]

But that’s what peacocking is all about, be bright, be loud, be scene. Guys use confidence, humor/wit, intelligence, etc. all the time to be scene. Guys respond to that sort of thing as well...

[Supernatural_fanatic]

Yeah that makes sense. But just based on all girls in general. Ugly and great personality, or attractive and bland personality?

[BeMuse]

@Supernatural_fanatic Balance grasshopper… The hottest girl in the room isn’t always going to win, nor is the one with the best personality. Usually it’s one that is good enough looking, but has a personality that stands out a bit from the rest. Given the same looks, the better personality usually wins.

[Kas19]

I guess that explains why I got like 400 guys interested in me after a few days of signing up on POF.

[Robertcw]

You are lucky to be a girl. You could literally have as much sex as you want. Literally tonight. It's actually comical how vast the gap between men and women is when it comes to options. Just message 50 of them, you could have 30 over in a snap of a finger.

Would appreciate if you could share what attributes cause you to pick from those 400 guys, so that I could boost my odds.

by the way, you're not really ugly in your profile photo. Men define ugly much more realistically.

[Kas19]

I don't know about lucky. A lot of men react terrible after being rejected (rape and murder threats, insults, etc.)

But I see what you're saying.

Yeah, I'll go through them and get back to you.

[Kas19]

Okay so um, it is actually over a thousand... uh... I don't know if I'm gonna go through all of them...

[Robertcw]

SMH. Unbelievable. This is exactly why I think sexual markets exist. Men are giving away power by making the vakue if their supply worthless. It's like over printing money without ever stopping. They all just like 80% of the women on the site. It's idiotic.

Sigh. Welk enjoy the sex tonight I guess. I'll probably be watxhing netflix or something, maybe I'll go to a bar. But I ain't getting no 1000 likes on POF. that's just insane.

[Kas19]

Eh, I don't know what you're on about. I hardly engage with anyone one here and it's typically small talk.

A lot of guys are desperate, so that's probably why. And if the girl is like a 5/10 and chubby such as myself, they view her as easy. So I don't know

You should really not make these experiments and such emotionally motivated. I'm trying to help you, I literally have my notes filled so I can tell you what goes through my head when I choose a guy.

[Robertcw]

Okay. I appreciate the notes! looking forward to see them.

[Kas19]

Okay so first off, there are a lot of... really unattractive men. I'm lenient with looks but they're just, not that good looking. Most of them are unattractive because of their weight. Many of them were heavily obese. A lot of men lied about their age.

I automatically weed out if he posts something with a material object, like posing with a car. To me it seems shallow and odd. I also like genuine pictures, just smiling, or petting an animal etc. Not shirtless pics, sticking your tongue out, giving the middle finger. Just a genuine you.

When I did find an attractive guy, I would look at his page, and usually they were Christian, which I would never date someone religious, so for me that would be a dealbreaker. I noticed I found quite a few attractive guys, but their pages ruined it. Either their grammar, the way they described themselves and what they were looking for. Some of them also said they were just looking to fuck, which isn't what I'm looking for.

I found a few guys, and I noticed I mainly go for men who have a similar personality or interest as me.

As far as physical terms, I only date white guys, not because I'm racist, but If i do consider dating, I typically date for marriage, and possibly having children, and I would like my children to look more like me, if that makes sense. I'm not good at wording that. I live in a very diverse area, most of the users were black. Not that black guys are unattractive or anything.

I noticed I'm a sucker for guys wearing glasses.

Anyway, this is just me, every woman is different, I think.

[Robertcw]

Wow. That was very detailed. I'm surprised you don't sound interested in casual sex at all when so many willing guys are right in front of you.

I do think many girls are different with their tastes, for sure.

Thanks for that. I guess I'll make sure to have good grammer on any profile I might make. And, authentic photos that aren't forced.

Though I might want to add either a shirtless or tank top photo to show off my physique. Would a beach make it bettter to be shirtless since it provides an excuse? Just because I have it and irl I get more attention when I wear tank tops than otherwise. Just a thing I have noticed.

[Kas19]

Absolutely! I have one of me in my swimsuit at the beach.

Also, funny guys are appealing. Same with if they are with a dog or a cat.

I might add that I still received a lot of attention even though my profile consisted of my complaining about the current president and being vocal about my liberal views, which should have ruled out a shit ton of men in my area, but it didn't, either because they didn't bother to look because hey, I might be easy, and they don't care. (A few guys did react negatively to my distasteful profile, but not many.)

[Robertcw]

You know, I have a friend who uses a dog photo but actually hates dogs. He just does it for the likes.

Personally I'm not big on pets except for fish. I actually breed guppies as a bobby. It's fun to see what traits are passed down between generations, and how different genes are dom or recessive. But I don't think I'd want to fake loving cats or dogs for matches, but if it increased my odds a bunch then maybe. I have access to dogs fir a photo. It's just... not genuine.

[Kas19]

How can he hate dogs?

Oh that's awesome! That's really interesting! But hmm, if it's not genuine then you don't have to do it!

Also, if you wanna talk somewhere else we can. I could send you pictures of what I'm talking about on the dating app.

[Robertcw]

Okay. Want to pm? can exchange contact info from there.

[MoneyBeets]

Boom roasted

[sean1234]

400? How is that possible? Damn, I only ever talked to 3 girl on POF give or take after being on it for like a year. I eventually gave up and quit. I only go on it now for the fun of it.

[Kas19]

@sean1234 It was actually over 1000. I thought it was 400. I don't talk to many people on there, haha.

[sean1234]

So I'm correct then in my assessment. I bet that ladies like yourself get messaged so many times, hundreds even that it drowns out the kind of guy you would actually date? Instead of a guy spraying you with water on a hot summer day, 1000 guys dump a damn lake on you https://tenor.com/view/dam-break-gif-9451752

[sean1234]

[Kas19]

I guess so haha

[fulfilling]

When you said "A lot of guys are desperate, so that's probably why. And if the girl is like a 5/10 and chubby such as myself, they view her as easy. " I said this girl gets it.

[Kas19]

@fulfilling Essentially. A lot of guys won't admit it though.

[devilman666]

@Kas19 wow, a lot of men commit rape and murder when they get rejected? Fake news. Also, putting insults and murder/rape on the same level, not okay.

Over a thousand? You admit guys are desperate yet dont admit that there is a sexual marketplace smh. If I signed up for twitter it would probably only be a couple dozen within the first month if I swiped right on everything, maybe I could get a hundred? You have literally 10x the dating options of the average man.

[devilman666]

@kas19 essentially the majority of men (average and below average in appearance) chase the below average attractive women who they see as easy, while the majority of women (average and above average in appearance) turn down over 80% of men and almost exclusively chase the highly attractive men.

[Kas19]

@devilman666 Ah yes, your experience with men is different than mine, so obviously it's fake news.

I didn't put them in the same level, I was describing how many men that I have interacted with react.

I don't know what else you're going on about though.

[Kas19]

@devilman666 I know, I hear that all of the time. That's why I said I got a lot of guys messaging me because I'm not that attractive.

[devilman666]

@Kas19 it's fake news because you're pulling it out of your ass. Men are far more likely to attack and kill other males, I hate when women try to overexxaggerate male aggressiveness towards them, you act like you are constantly under threat, but lets be real, when actual attacks like that happen, it is rare.

[devilman666]

@Kas19 but you dont think there is a metaphorical sexual marketplace that values women way more than men?

[Kas19]

@devilman666 I never said "most" men or any proportion of men. I said a lot. I've dealt with a lot of hostile men in my life. That isn't over exaggeration, just a fact. And the fact that men are more likely to attack and kill other males doesn't mean that a lot of men aren't that way with women. Yes, I do act like I'm constantly under threat because my father raised me that way to protect myself. If I just pretend that the world is okay without being cautious, something can happen. But you're correct, they aren't very likely to happen. It still doesn't mean I haven't dealt with terrible men.

I'm not sure if there is a sexual marketplace. I'm looking into that. Most of it just seems like men making excuses for themselves, and red pillers.

[devilman666]

@kas19 yes, you said a lot. Imagine if I said "a lot of women lie about getting raped", what would you think?

You're right, but atatiatically speaking the guy you rejected is more likely to go out and attack another man than to attack you. Women are attacked more by people they know intimately but when it comes to strangers you reject, it isn't nearly that bad.

[Kas19]

@devilman666 Good point. I'll use better wording next time.

And yeah, maybe not. But most of the men I have rejected reacted negatively and threatened to rape me.

[devilman666]

@kas19 I wouldn't deny that many men will hurl threats and insults, I'm simply saying that it is a rather small percentage of men who actually physically attack women who reject them. And that putting these threats on the same level of wrongness as rape and murder is wrong. Threats aren't okay, but there is a big difference between a threat, and rape/murder.

[monkeynutts]

I think your reading into these numbers and inventing reasons for these statistics. Most girls will tell you they get a lot of hits, but 90% of them are rubbish time wasters, just after sex, they lie about their occupations. Look nothing like their profile pictures.

[Robertcw]

“just after sex” it’s a freaking hookup app. I don’t understand why this surprises people.

[monkeynutts]

All dating apps are the same.

[Robertcw]

Not really.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Please tell me you're joking. It gives me hope.

[CandacePerry]

I tried a one dating app called meetme but didn’t get me any where. It was all idiot guys l by the way the i already been cheated on by more then once in my past relationships experience. I therefore probably why I prefer to find a guy that I know from a friend profile.

[Dragonstarterplus]

Experiment is kinda flawed since i think its just based on swipes on Tinder. Im sure most men have figured out its best to just right swipe any female you find remotely attractive and then go from there. There's no usewasting time reading the profile of a girl that might not even right swipe you to talk to her. So basically men have learned to just right swipe any thing remotely attractive

[aannddrreeaa]

I think this video is kind of bad in execution. Of course no one is going to want to go out with someone who looks ridiculous. She should've done it when she's all made up, good clothes and hair vs when she isn't wearing any makeup and "frumpy."