The Truth About Why Men Won't Date Single Mothers

[Apope16]

They Made Their Bed and Must Lie In It

It takes 2 people to have unprotected sex. Often times a baby daddy is the one that is blamed for doing this. It is said that baby daddy must 'step up' responsibility. The reality is that the woman chose gladly to assume the risk of pregnancy just as the man is. She too is not only responsible for getting pregnant, but she is MORE responsible for CHOOSING to have the child. She could have taken the morning after pill or aborted, etc. The woman is most at fault for being a single mother.

Women Get Pregnant to Keep Men

That's right. One reason why women are single is because they use the pleasure of sex and letting a man cum deep inside them as bait to keep a man. I tried to date a single mother once and heard her backstory. She was dating this guy casually. She found out that he started seeing another woman and got jealous. So in order to keep the man in her life she came onto him, let him cum inside her, and she intentionally decided to keep the baby to pressure the man to marry her. The result? The man married the other woman instead and they have split custody of the child. She is now 36 years old, bitter, and perpetually single with a child.

Women Get Pregnant to get Money

There are many women out there getting pregnant by multiple men in order to cash in on more welfare money. Beware of single mothers with babies from multiple guys they let blow their backs out.

She is the Reason Baby Daddy Left

Sure, there are men who are not stepping up to the plate. Still, the woman might be such a drama queen that she drove the baby daddy away.

Biological Selection

If you are a tall, attractive man. There is A LOT of competition for your seed. Women think about a man's qualities and the offspring. Be careful fellas.

You Come Last

A man must to be a priority in a lover's life. Dating a single mom? You come LAST. That's not a masculine position to be in!

[Finchie40]

Me personally would date a single Mom considering I am a single Dad , but I have limits, her kids have to be as old as my kids or older or I am not interested Cuz I don’t want to start over raising children when my kids are pretty much grown , I can see why a single guy with no kids wouldn’t want to raise someone else’s kids , cuz when I was single with no kids I didn’t want a girl that had kids , I was so against it , as well as being a stepfather is a very big responsibility as well but it all depends on the situation , so there are a lot of single parents these days because no one really wants the responsibility of raising someone else’s kids , So for me it just comes down to her situation , if the father is still in the Picture then i could handle that , cuz they still have their father but if the father isn’t in the picture she is more than likely looking for a meal ticket for someone to take care of her and her child or children , but people fall for it all the time thinking they can handle it , That’s why I am upfront with a girl when I date and I make it clear she will not meet my children until we become serious because if it doesn’t work out at least my kids won’t be effected cuz kids easily get attached as well , so that’s something I don’t do , people that do that I feel is wrong , and also wrong to throw that responsibility onto someone you are just dating , And the parents that lie about not having kids when they do is wrong as well to trick someone into falling for them , When push comes to shove most people are just selfish assholes

[stuff39]

you are an idiot lol

[stuff39]

read the bible never date a single mother

[Yaaten]

@AliceStars Go away Alice!

[Finchie40]

The Bible states to never date a single mom lol

[ovixs90]

I don't support dating single women, but the bible actually say it opposite a man that accepts kids as his own is a good person.. I dont remember the verse exactly but there is for sure.

[Finchie40]

When I date any girl , I don’t introduce her to my kids until I feel she is going to stay by my side , , what I don’t get is how single parents introduce their kids to someone they just started dating , to me that is messed up , people don’t
Realize that kids get attached and if the relationship doesn’t work out the kids are hurt as well , so I never introduce my kids until I feel she is the one

[MOUNTAINTOPD2]

@ovixs90

and this applies to men also

Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

basically society is just one big giant adultery bag
because idiots are dating single mothers not understanding the risk involved

THEY CAN LITERALLY BE KILLED
happens all the time
to any guy listening do not date a single mother

[Finchie40]

What do you mean they can literally be killed?

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

I have no issue if a man doesn't want to date a single mom... I do however have an issue with the men that say they wouldn't date or be in a relationship with a single mom but will still fuck a single mom or use that as a bullshit excuse to be a POS That just hits it and quits it... Just because someone is a single mom is no excuse for someone to treat her like disposable pussy... You don't want to date a single mom, don't fuck em either!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

https://youtu.be/ppPKgog66uY

[Apope16]

Agreed. But to be fair there are single mothers out there who are just looking for quality dick a couple times a week when the kid is at dad's house. If a guy ever does that it should be an understanding prior to getting physical. But to go on a date with a single mom, bang her, and then ghost her is just outrageous and wrong. But there are a lot of single mothers who just want sex... not a lot... some.

[james_d0007]

@Brainsbeforebeauty what if she is fine with casual dating like ONS or NSA?

[shalt]

@Apope16 the reality of that is ridiculous... both sides of that is all I witness in my modest town

[StephanieL]

@Apope16 @Brainsbeforebeauty @james_d0007 I know this is a difficult aspect. I do defend the guys on the fact that many single mothers (I'm well friended with some) are not really open to a new serious relationship yet, but do like the fun wild sex while being single again. It's not because they are mothers, they are asexual. And the fact that the guys who do the ONS are not very respectful to her and kinda use her as a slut, that to me is part of what makes a ONS. It's not a classy thing and that's perfectly fine. I think a guy is allowed to not take a single mom serious and still use her for a good fuck. But the social stamp that guys in general tend to put on single moms as free cum dumpsters is wrong cause it takes away the choice of that person choosing their way of life and love. If a woman got to impregnated by 1 man's seed and he decided to quit his commitment, doesn't mean she from then on has a full time job taking mens' seed without any commitment.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@james_d0007 the whole point tho is good say they don't want to marry a woman who's had a lot of sexual partners but it's okay for them to not only have a lot, but to knowingly sleep with people they know they'd never want to be in a relationship with. And that's okay, but IF I did that, I'd be a slut, whatever. And then you have the whole gold digger thing. But if a man knows she's a gold digger and accepts it, what's she doing wrong? So it's okay for men to use women for just sex, but women shouldn't use men for their money 🤔
Neither should happen in my opinion, but they do... But don't say one's worse than the other... As bad as it is to be used for your money, it's just as bad to be used for sex..

[Милашка]

ok but if the single moms want to get fucked knowing that it won't get them dating?

[james_d0007]

@Brainsbeforebeauty fair enough and I totally agree with what you say!

[t-8900]

absolutely correct! no one should be used as an object just for sex. It's degrading, humiliating, and dehumanizing.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@t-8900 thank you! Agree with that 💯

[james_d0007]

@Милашка Then its not a problem - its just casual sex for both of them

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Милашка and if a guy knowingly dates a gold digger knowing it won't but him love? And then too, guys don't want to marry a single mother? Well maybe some women don't want to marry a man that used single moms for sex whether they were okay with it or not... And also some guys aren't upfront about just using em for sex... Some befriend the mom and the kids, which is really fucked up if you ask me

[t-8900]

its wise for single moms not to involve the kids until after they have gotten to see some serious commitment. Dont put the kids through that.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@james_d0007 still the point tho is why can guys say they don't want to marry a woman who engages in casual sex but women are supposed to be okay with wanting guys that engage in casual sex. There's still that double standard... When it should either be ok/acceptable for both or equally wrong for both!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@t-8900 again I agree!!

[james_d0007]

@Brainsbeforebeauty - if both the parties are happy with casual sex and are seeking casual fun I will not consider it double standard. Both are adults and smart enough to know what they want and what they don't. Its only unfair if the guy is using her without her knowledge and dumps her when he is done having fun with her.

[Safa01]

But if you agree for sex only or it is a one night stand there isn’t really something wrong with it. I know I have had sex with a guy i could never be in a relationship with.

[james_d0007]

@Safa01 yes exactly if its casual and both agree to it then its not a problem at all

[ChiTown33]

@Brainsbeforebeauty, @StephanieL the problem with this argument you two are having with the guys is you're posting specifics. Real life isn't always that clear. StephanieL, the guys doesn't always impregnate the man. Sometimes the woman leaves him. Sometimes the woman deliberately tries to get pregnant to trap the man and it backfires.
@Brainsbeforebeauty i guy i work with was with a woman for 9 years. Tjey got divorced and he immediately staryed dating again he dated a lot of women. Jad sex with most of them. Told ALL of tjem he wasn't looking for a relationship upfront. About half of them still said he led tjem in and used them.
I'm not trying to get into a he daid, she said thing but there are situations beyond what you posted where a gut can sleep witj many single moms and he's not the bad guy... maybe a manwhore lol. But not the bad guy.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Women constantly use men for free meal and services while using opportunity of sex as bait. Makes no difference for a man to use relationship (and access to his resources) as bait to get what he wants.

[StephanieL]

@Lookingforthetruth If that's true then I must have done some seriously wrong. Because for all the men that fucked me, almost non of them gave me any money or meal. Maybe a drink. And they weren't even that nice to me when I let them hit it, let alone hint a relationship.

[james_d0007]

@StephanieL I am sorry to hear that, I agree sometimes some guys can be a douche but not all are same. Same goes for women as well :)

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Lookingforthetruth no not all women do that... And two wrongs don't make a right... Just because there guys that will use, I don't use that as an excuse to use people.
Nor should anyone. As an adult you're responsible for your actions, can't keep blaming women for everything... And there's some men that user women for sex and money 🤷🏼‍♀️ Don't mean all do... ... But you can't say women that do get used for sex got money out of it all the time either...

[MCheetah]

Yup. I hate hypocrites.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@MCheetah you and me both...

[KrakenAttackin]

@james_d0007 If she is a single mom she clearly is DTF.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@KrakenAttackin That's a really shitty attitude... My daughter is a single mother... My mother was a single mother after her and my father got divorced... And I can assure you, neither were DTF... Take that sexist biased shit somewhere else. Some men shirk their parental responsibility, and then you used that as an excuse to treat the WOMEN like trash, not the men... Why is that 🤔 To me men that have kids and then think they can just walk away from being a parent, that's the trash!!

[KrakenAttackin]

@Brainsbeforebeauty. What you are saying is that relationship instability runs in the women in your family. If they are not DTF than at least they are prone to bad decision making.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@KrakenAttackin really? My father was a child molester removed from the house by police... Are you saying my mother should of stayed with a man like that? My daughter works and supports her son, the father doesn't, so who's the unstable one... And aren't you divorced? So are you unstable? And Don't you have a daughter? So if someday her husband cheats on her and leaves her, will you say she's unstable and men should use her as a pump and dump cum dumpster if she's a single mom? Do not insult my family, thanks!!!

[ChiTown33]

Rule #1 on an online forum. when you give details into your life you give people fuel to use against you in a fight ( or debate if you want to make it sound classier than it is). Lol
Try and avoid it wherever possible.

[ChiTown33]

https://youtu.be/Zmvt7yFTtt8

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@ChiTown33 but see, I don't care.. Cuz no shame in my game... Don't make me look stupid, just shows how much he's taking out of his ass and hypocrite to boot... And key word, online, who gives a fuck what some asshat on the internet has to say... Bitter people can't bring me down 🤷🏼‍♀️ But there is impressionable young men and women out there that believe everything online as true... Why people should be careful trying to state their bitter biased opinion as fact when it's not!

[StephanieL]

@Brainsbeforebeauty Don't react too much to Kraken. It's always the same thing he does. He's really good at finding the things that trigger you.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@StephanieL Calling someone out on their bullshit isn't being triggered... Some people let people just say whatever and purple let them. Maybe that why there's so much misunderstanding among the sexes, people these days don't call out the bullshit.. but I do... People can see that as triggered 🤷🏼‍♀️I see it as calling out the bullshit when I see it, my hip boots are already to full from the online bullshit internet keyboard warriors be spreading 🤣🤣🤣

[StephanieL]

@Brainsbeforebeauty True. I have your back anyways!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@StephanieL aww thanks 🤗🤗💛

[KrakenAttackin]

@Brainsbeforebeauty. I totally agree with you, especially when you say these fuck boys befriend the kids... way too hard on the kids.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@KrakenAttackin I just pray men don't treat your daughter as sexist as you treat women when she's a woman... And that's my issue.. I may be older but I do have two daughters and a grandson, and I don't want to see any of them treated like shit because of their gender whether it's men doing it do my daughters or some day a female doing that to my grandson... We need to stop trying to spread gender hate and spread understanding, empathy, and compassion...
If you can't do that for yourself, do it for your daughter 🙏🏼 can I ask how do you think it would make your daughter feel to hear the things you say about women knowing she's going to be a woman some day? And again, even if you don't treat YOUR daughter that way, when you treat other women that way, you're treating someone else's daughter that way... Just food for thought for you to snack on... 🙏🏼

[ChiTown33]

See this why i've always said this site is broken people advising other broken people. Lol

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@ChiTown33 who's broken? Me? Or him? I'm not broken.. Well, heart broke when hubby died, but 🤷🏼‍♀️ I'm just tired of seeing people hate and bash and try to justify, and for what purpose and with no thought to how it affects future generations...
Guys, If You're Sexist About Females How Can You Be Raising Daughters? Ladies If You're Sexist About Men How can You Be Raising Sons? ↗

[TrainingDay]

I don't know if i agree or disagree but men do that to every type of woman lol. Not cause she is a mom.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@TrainingDay right! And noone should do that... Regardless of gender, stop treating people like they something to use and dispose of

[GoldenTulip]

I totally agree with your words @Brainsbeforebeauty

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@GoldenTulip thanks 💛

[Stephen_77]

Has it ever crossed your mind that a lot of single mothers might want to have one night stands once in a while?

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Stephen_77 didn't say they didn't... Has it ever crossed your mind tho that some guys lead on single women, sometimes befriending their kids? And too, agreeing to a one night stand is one thing... But being treated like a second class citizen or trashy and undatable because of it is a totally different thing, is it not 🤔 and then too, why don't single dads get the same treatment 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Stephen_77]

And a lot of single mothers lead men on. A lot of men get with a single mum and help raise her kids and in the end still cheat on him and leave him.

[ragequeen]

I clicked the title expecting some interesting, insightful facts. In stead I ended up badly disappointed. The reasons you stated only occur when men date psychopaths. Not all women or single mothers are psychopaths. Hell, most of them are great mothers.

You're leaving out the most important things. For instance:

1. Single parents are able to dump loads of responsibility on to you. Once you agree to take on a child that isn't yours, they expect you (with good reasons) to step up. This is TERRIFYING for most people who do not have children prior.

2. You are expected to step up, but also stay out of their life. It doesn't matter if you help pay for them or help support the mother. But you are not the parent. So you can't just be a part of deciding how the child should be raised. Even if they live under YOUR roof eating YOUR food. How is this fair or emotionally healthy?

3. Single parents often have histories as reckless personalities or are emotionally immature. If they became parents at young ages, they may never have been given the opportunity to grow fully and experience life and themselves as they should. These personality traits could be affecting your relationship eventually.

4. The parent (rightfully) has to prioritize the child over you at all costs. Time and money goes primarily to the child. Privacy and time to grow into the new romance is a lot harder. Decisions have to be made with the child in mind. This can also hinder or disrupt the growth and development of your own relationship as it can't always grow the way or direction that you would prefer. For example, where you want to move to pursue dreams or carriers.

5. Overall emotional toll. Raising a child that isn't yours doesn't come risk free. The child may be disturbed if it grew up in unstable environments. Or, if you form a special bond with the child but find out the relationship isn't for you, leaving will leave the child an emotional scar. And you will be a reason why it experiences instability.

No hate towards your initial take. I just thought it lacked proper points.

[the007datingcoach]

1. A woman shouldn't dump ANY responsibility of raising a child/children onto the man who is not the father of that child/children. Women should be competent of raising their own child with or without the father in the frame. You cannot expect a man who has had no children to step up when they are new to the experience and very unfair to so.

2. You are expected to step up? Right so hypothetically if I had my own house and she wanted to live with me. I cannot tell them to not make a mess or damage my house? To me this logic is stupid.

3. Most of the time or not. Yes there is history hence why they are in that position however i must say that dating is buying a car. If you know there is something wrong with the car why would you buy it? As a project? Most people (that I have seen) think that by having a child helps their relationship. Tip it really doesn't! All you are doing is dragging a innocent being into your ball of fuck ups and its not fair.

4. Yes you are quite right! Then in my opinion single parents should look to date SINGLE PARENTS. So then there no problems, they know the score and share similar knowledge.

5. You shouldn't have to raise a child that isn't yours PERIOD! Love is fickle - in my personal opinion. Children will forget things over time. I forget the children who I have met through out my time and they have forgotten me.

I agreed to some certain degree. Sorry if this seems aggressive 😅 but it really isn't.

[Apope16]

Thank you for your deeply thought out answer. Hopefully it contributes to the debate over the points ove raised.

[VPS13]

@the007datingcoach I still remember every man my mom brought into my life and who I started to love and them leaving and never speaking to me again. Doesn’t do a lot of good to a young persons feeling of self worth. You are probably wrong that you did not affect those children. Regardless the mom should probably be the one managing this situation. My mom had no problem getting men either so not too worried about the whole single mom dating conundrum. In any persons case not 100% of people are going to like you.

[Smashingdoozy]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had my hopes crushed instantly lmao🤣

[exitseven]

I think you covered all the bases.

[Crazybeeguy]

Actually, I have dated a single mother, I developed a bond with her child. It was a healthy bond, the child was smart. I sat down with the child and explained that I was splitting up with the mother. The child was not the reason for the breakup. Her mother and I still talk once in awhile, I ask how her daughter is doing, but I won't continue an unhealthy bond to her daughter.

[the007datingcoach]

@Smashingdoozy did you have any to begin with?

[Smashingdoozy]

@the007datingcoach I had the slightest bit. I have 0 confidence that he will say anything meaningful any more

[Qdbrown]

I will never date single mothers again. I have dated a few.

First, why be in a relationship where you come last? The kids always come first, and you last. There is no spontaneous dates.

Second, why be with a woman who has all ready had her womb and self used? She might be good for bedroom fun, but she is not quality anymore. And to break it down, a quality man does not want to cuck for another man. Most single moms are very well used. They have no issues letting guys from all walks of life mount her for some recreation.

Third, why date a woman who has most likey started making bad decisions, less she be a widow? It's all ready obvious she impechious and is not going to make a reliable life partner.

Fourth, you could bond with the kid, and then she either dumps you or even worse, calls you the father and has you pay child support for just being her boyfriend. There was a woman in Ohio that made her apartment neighbor who had no relationships whatsoever, not even friends with benefits, make him the father and forced child support because he tried to help her watch her son for free during the pandemic, when she had to work. Judges have ruled that any father is better than no father.

Fifth, If your a single father, why would you put your children into a position where her kids are going to walk all over yours when issues start going down, fights between the kids start up, and everyone has to pick sides? I have a lot of experience here. Seen it, and had to deal with it.

Six, many older children will resent you. They will try to cause problems, make it expensive when dining out with her family, and tear your stuff up to run you off. They would be inspired by their real dad's who would be bitter about you living under the roof they were financing and paying child support for. This is baby daddy dilimma.

Seventh, there is more STD's moving through the divorced single mother crowd than the street walkers because many of those insist on protection. Single mom's seem to be so desperate, to let many guys ride them bareback in cases where they wanted to create a relationship. Not only is the wreckless, and she says she can't have another one, or will abort it if anything happens, doesn't mean you two get to pile up on the child support.

It's just a bad deal for men. Both single and single fathers. There might be some exceptions, but go in with eyes wide open. There are so many better, younger child free women who have more potential. Using the example of buying cars, that will be expensive, why pay the same for a used model, that can be had for a newer younger model? Only desperate and low values guys would allow themselves to be cucked.

For the single mothers. Don't date. Focus on your kids. Don't share those times with others that have a high rate of failure. Wait until your kids have moved out to restart your life. Same goes for you single fathers. It stresses your kids out when you don't focus on them. They need be every reasons and not ever put in a low priority in your life. You made mistakes, you now pay the price for those decisions. Stop being a lonely selfish idiot and realize that time goes by fast. Your kids only get one chance to a descent upbringing that will pay them dividends for the rest of their life.

[Apope16]

Why be in a relationship when you come last? Yes! Exactly! I will use that on single mothers in dating apps.

[Anonymous]

I think your take shows a very limited view. I also think it shows the mens' attitude women have to deal with. But also a little bit of truth.

Being a single mom myself, I can assure you that it's much more layered, but I'll limit it to 2 classes. You have single moms that were married started a family, it didn't work out and the parents separate, sometimes when the kids are already a little older. I know a lot of these women and they have less problems with what you describe since their life is more stable.

Then there is also the second class of single moms, often a little younger, who got pregnant but it wasn't planned and the family dream falls apart at a bad moment. I personally belonged to that group. And you can read the attitude of men toward us in your take and in the comments. Men tend to degrade us to being the town slut, and when it happens, it's not that easy to go against that. When you have to raise a kid by yourself and make money, have a shit week every week, no time to seriously date, it's tempting to let that guy from the bar mount you real quick for some pleasure and to get out of your mom role for a moment. You notice the way men approach is different, the sex is different, and also my attitude for caring about it is different.

I am now on my way to turning it around. I've had that phase. I feel that it is possible. I really advise single moms who were in my position to change it, take time and find love when you're ready for it. Or even better, try to be strong and don't fall into that phase at all. It's possible to change but it's not easy. There are men out there who will accept you even with the bagage you carry, but some men will keep seeing you as the slut who swallowed their nut in the men's room, as ordinary as it sounds.

[JEndigoBleue]

True

[shalt]

Damn I felt this, and I also 100% agree as a guilty man

[Opinion Owner]

@shalt fucked a single mom or just saw her as a slut?

[shalt]

Just all of the above

[red324]

What does being a mom have to do with being a town slut? If you dated and had a kid and it just didn't work out then it is what it is. How the fuck do you date a girl with kids anyways? I've never had one who even wanted to introduce me to their kids no matter how much I said I'm okay with her being a mom.

[Opinion Owner]

@red324 Man, guys just love to do that. Labeling women as sluts the moment they see a chance. It also works because if every guy starts to treat her like that, approach her like that, it fucks with her mind and you end up filling that role. It's not that sex isn't fun to a woman so these guys know how to turn our brakes off that way. And once that happens, it gets even harder to get out of that role of the town slut. I'd say the past is the past, but every time I'm building something up with a guy, somehow they get to know the number of nut sacks that have been emptied in my mouth (excuse my french) and it's not fun for a partner to deal with.

[red324]

I prefer not to know honestly. lol I'd rather they not aske me that question, so I won't ask them in return.

[Opinion Owner]

@red324 Of course, but it's the guys that like to rub it in everyone's face, whether they want to hear it or not.

[shalt]

Wah, is that the label you gave me? Lol, sounds hypocritical, and it's not like we give them the label, that's alllll women. Guys just BS, unless we witness them being actually dirty, I've seen too many women do stuff that makes me pray I don't have a daughter. Just practice safety.

[Opinion Owner]

@shalt Sorry but don't agree on that. What did you see that makes you wish you don't have a daughter?

[bamesjond0069]

Yeah single moms are 99% sluts too. Men with choices dont choose sluts to date.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 There we go again. I just pointed it out in my question and you answer with the same bs as if you read nothing. How are 99% sluts, and how do you define a slut?

[bamesjond0069]

Um generally girls that are easy and sleep around or have been easy and have a past of sleeping around. In theory there is a woman who lost her virginity to her husband, had a baby and then got single and doesn't have casual sex... but I've never met a single mom even close to that scenario.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 And every other single mom gets pounded out by half the male customers at the bar?

[bamesjond0069]

If 1 was my scenario and 10 was yours id say typically single moms are running at 7 or 8.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 And what's my scenario?

[bamesjond0069]

Try reading what you wrote "... gets pounded out by half the male customers at the bar"

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 Well I would say 3 then

[bamesjond0069]

Lmfao 😂😂😂😂 you either only know one or maybe two single moms or you dont live in reality or you're lying. There are no other options.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 How many single moms do you know? And give me numbers, details and situations if you want to prove it.

[bamesjond0069]

I mean i met one at work and she wanted to fuck right away. I met one and had a friends with benefits for awile and then found out she was cheating on like 2 actual boyfriends. I went on a date with one right before my girlfriend and she told me about how she likes to party and fuck 2 guys at once and offered to suck my dick. My buddy is dating one and she cheated on him. My buddies friend was dating one and she cheated on him at an orgy. Smh. I went on a nice date with one once a long time ago and she stalked me begging for sex for like a month. It was actually scary level. I know I've casually dated more just off the top of my head. I've never ever ever even known or heard of even one that was a good girl. Its fucking laughable to me.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 well either your just making stuff up (which seems like it) or you have a bad personal experience.

[bamesjond0069]

I don't know now that im thinking about it im thinking of more. I am 34 and been single and dating a long time as an above average looking man. So... 🤷‍♂️

[Apope16]

True. My own sister fucked 2 thug druggies because she wanted latina babies and welfare income. Now the fathers work and she stays at home.

[loveslongnails]

My first thought was "someone sounds realllllly butt hurt here. This sounds a lot like "your truth" based on personal experiences and observations". While there is some truth here, let's examine this:

1) "It takes 2 people to have unprotected sex". Yes, and unless you either want a child, or establish who is going to do "what" during and afterwards to prevent pregnancy, then you have 2 equally stupid people. Even if he agrees to "pull out", and she agrees to take the "Plan B" pill and isn't on any other form of birth control, you're both still stupid. You want to assign the "greater stupidity", therefore the blame, to the woman because she has more options after the fact. I reiterate - either way, you're both equal idiots.

2 - 5) All of these things are certainly acts that a woman "could choose" to do, and some women DO choose to do these things. But there do not seem to be any studies, statistics or reliable information on how many, or what percentage of pregnancies, result from these behaviors. Therefore, the frequency of this is unknown, though we can certainly agree that it DOES take place. Here's a summary from Ann Silvers on recognizing the "baby trap":
8 Pregnancy Trap Red Flags
#1. The pregnancy pulled you back from the brink.
#2. You’ve made it clear you don’t want kids now.
#3. She has something to gain from being your baby momma.
#4. She has a lame excuse for going off birth control.
#5. She seduced you.
#6. She convinced you to “go ahead, I can’t get pregnant today.”
#7. She’s not really pregnant.
#8. She has a conveniently timed miscarriage.

Even if she behaves in some of the ways mentioned here, the man can still insist on using a condom because of #2 . And he should, especially if she insists on #6.

#6) "You come last". While it's true that a single mom's priority will always be to her child first, how does that differ from a married couple? How often have you heard of marriages being strained because the parents systematically "forget" about one another's needs and prioritize the children to the point where one or both feel neglected?

I think the "real truth" about this one is that very, very few men want to raise and be responsible for another man's seed and DNA. He may love the woman, but in his heart he believes the kid isn't "his". But that's the difference between being a biological "baby daddy" and a father. Dead beats who spread their DNA and leave aren't fit to be called fathers, or even daddies. The term "baby daddy" should be changed to "baby maker" if you're not around to actually BE a daddy !! You're no one's "daddy" if you're not there raising the child.

[TruthBringer]

GREAT TAKE! I expected the amount of hate coming from the pink G@G users. Apparently having standards and preferences is something a man is not allowed to have. Apparently men are not allowed to have preferences and standards which would prioritize them. It seems (western) women nowadays are entitled to our lives and resources. Their definition of a "real man" is that of one that willl only benefit THEM and who they can also exploit. Sorry ladies, but jokes on you.

Truth remains: No child-less man should get with a single mother. No man should take responsibility which is not his. I would rather invest my resources and time in raising MY own biological kids rather than to further someone else's genes in the gene pool. To the idiots who will call this "misogynistic" (proves you don't even know what that means), this applies to women dating single-fathers aswel. Start your own family... I'm not going to voluntair to be (financially) cucked, especially if I can get with a young and child-less woman like I already do. Sorry not sorry.

Unless a single mother is widowed, being a single mother almost always reflects negatively on the woman. Poor choice in men, lack of impulse control and poor judgment skills is often the cause of them ending up as single mothers.

I'm going to leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/MdzLfiLCkrc

[Apope16]

I tried to add this as MHO but the GAG website wasn't letting me!

[KrakenAttackin]

The gynocracy is real.

[TruthBringer]

@KrakenAttackin Lovely isn't it? And then they complain about "patriarchy"

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer. Proof positive that you can't tell women shit. They are so stuck in their little delusional worlds.

[REALSTEEL]

well i had a girlfriend who had 2 kids from her previous marriage and it was a nightmare on elm street her daughter told me straight up from the beginning your not father i dont want nothing to do with you thats my mother and im not sharing her let me tell you she did absolutely everything to break us up and it worked so many year's later tried dating a single mother with 1 son from previous marriage he did the same exact thing sad part of it all is that both mothers have children 4 total both mothers won't let fathers have any contact with the children what happens is the children usually end up raising themselves cause the mother is to busy either working, or looking for a sugar daddy and mother wants attention from guys so she is on the internet all hour's of the day while the child is requiring her attention she simply sends him to his room to play or play on the floor with his toys while she still on her phone flirting with guys simply put women are not in a relationship for "LOVE" anymore there for personal gain if the relationship was strictly about love they can simply work out or talk about the situation at hand it might be love at first sight but after 7 month's she gets tired of the man and wants someone new like a woman getting tired of wearing a blue dress she will simply go get a new one "WAKE UP LADIES"men are not a object were not a piece of clothes that you simply throw out and get new we are human beings with feelings emotions we have a ❤ and a pulse so that being said if the relationship is over then its over DONT BE A BITCH AND STOP HIM FROM SEEING HIS KIDS JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE PERSONALLY HATE THE FATHER'S GUTS in the judicial system 90 percent of the time the women win custody of the child cause the women know how to use the judicial system so men take notes pay attention
1 first the women will go behind your back and file for custody for the child while you have no idea she did that 2 then the woman will try everything to get you to be mean and hoping you hit her if that dont work she will simply without the man knowing go down to the courthouse and file a PFA ORDER which stands for PROTECTION FROM ABUSE you dont need any proof to get it she will get it automatically then with in 24 hour's without the man knowing the cops come throw you out your house now that's the LEGAL WAY OF ROBBING THE MAN BLIND so now the man is out the house she will eith sell all the stuff or transport it to a different location for the man can't get it then 2 weeks later the man will have a court hearing to defend himself about the pfa while she is there lying under oath and she gets her PFA extended for 3 year's so the man works his ass off to support the family but at the end the woman gets everything man gets nothing and that's a fact

[Hyped_up_on_coffee]

Wow. That’s a really sexist point of view. Sometimes condoms break or birth control fails due to antibiotics.

Some women’s parents also shame them in to having a baby and keeping it. I have openly told my mother that if I personally had an accident , I would go get an aborting. She said that was awful and she also thought the alternative of giving a kid away to be adopted and away from the grand parents is awful. So I’m sure this is a scenario.

Both men and women have the potential to be terrible parents and the dynamic often changes when they have a baby instead of a practice puppy. Sometimes the women get angry that the men don’t work hard to make ends meet. Or they become frustrated because they are expected to work , take care of the kid , cook and do house chores. Or the man leaves because she got fat.

You don’t have to date single mothers if you don’t want to , but don’t put them down as people either. It’s probably just more important that people are taught about how the dynamic of a relationship changes with a baby , safe sex , or that it’s just flat out better to get a puppy first.

[TrainingDay]

He is just being general. He doesn't mean in every subjective case.

[Hyped_up_on_coffee]

@TrainingDay no he kind of just went on a rant blaming women , it was a couple of paragraphs. It’s ok to personally not want to date a single mom but to vindicate them as a group is just awful

[Iliketea]

@TrainingDay he is mentioning every case in which the woman is "wrong" and none of the many other situations

[Apope16]

People who disagree expect me to lay out 250 different individual scenarios in a character limit of 2,000. Not a word limit. A character limit that includes spaces and punctuation. But they never actually refute the points made. They only bring up exceptions to the rule.

[Smashingdoozy]

2,000? You mean 20,000... You had about (well exactly) 18,097 characters left to lay out some different scenarios 🙄

[Anonymous]

I don’t know why single mothers deserve more blame than single fathers and I don’t think we need to shame anybody. Plenty single parents are doing really, really good in life and there is more blended families these days.

Most time women does not get pregnant to get money or to keep a man.

Yay so much fun to carry a baby for nine months, sleepless nights, sore breast from breastfeeding etc for a little cash, sure cash is the only reason why anyone would be a parent and kids are so cheap, not like you need to buy things for them, take them places and make savings for them. And having a child will never solve a relationship issue if there is problems, it will likely add more. Can build on a rocky foundation.

It take two to get pregnant but it also takes two to make the relationship work. And if the guy is abusive, it is better for her to leave him and if the girl is abusive the guy should protect the baby and leave her.

I don’t know who made you angry, but virtual hug. 🌸 perhaps look into why you end up dating these type of women, I have never heard any of my family or friends talk about guys like that single parents or not.

And about being last? Grow up. It is different when you have a kid regardless of it is your own or not. Kids need that love and attention. I think when you have kids and are in a relationship whether it is with stepparents or biological then you talk about the type of relationship you want and you make it like that, show each other love, be affectionate, plan date nights and nights out.

But of course I get it, not everybody wants to date somebody with kids and not everybody wants kids and that’s totally fine and it is great if you know what you want. But to blame women like that, and the reasonings sounds more like hurt and pain than actual reasons why.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Usually single fathers come about due to mom dying and/or being better capable parent than the mother and taking full custody of the child. Single mothers often come about due to poor dating choices of the woman.

[KrakenAttackin]

Anon... Bullshit. Pregnancy is almost never a "mistake".

"It takes two to make a relationship work"... no shit, did you think that up all by yourself? How about not being a psychotic, demanding, competitive, OCD, BPD, disaster; and actually think about what is best for your CHILD? Women are so fucking selfish when it comes to children, you will do whatever you want as opposed to what is good for the child. Here is a clue -stop chasing Alpha cock, stop riding thug cock, don't chase away good men because they are not Alphas or thugs... THIS is what is best for your kids.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Lookingforthetruth Very true. It takes a miracle for the father to get custody of the kids.

[TruthBringer]

@KrakenAttackin Absolutely well spoken!

[Opinion Owner]

@Lookingforthetruth not usually. For every single mom there is a single dad so this doesn’t makes any sense.

[Opinion Owner]

@KrakenAttackin if you read all you maybe saw wwhat i wrote about abuse. Also nobody said you can’t be a good parent if you have ocd that’s just silly.

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer Thank you sir!

[Espresso-Grande]

I disagree with a lot that you said. Every single mother that I know personally is either a single mother because her husband died, left her for another woman and disowned his kids, or didn't want the responsiblity of having kids anymore, so just up and left.

I don't know any single mother who deliberately got pregnant for the reasons you stated. It was a joint decision to have kids because they were in a long-term loving, happy and committed relationship. That she believed last would a lifetime.

I believe some women may have kids for the reasons you stated, but they're few and far between.

"Dating a single mom?" you last" of course her kids will come before any man

If I was a single mum. I wouldn't want to be with a man who believed he should be priority over my kids. In fact, I wouldn't want a man in their life who wasn't their father. I'd stay single until my kids were older.

You're too pessimistic to give advice to men. The best type of people to listen to for advice is levelheaded people. Those who don't just give advice based on one side of the argument , because their advice is generally based on their own negative experiences and distorted perceptions.

[Apope16]

Jesus. Do you work in a cancer recovery ward? Maybe a suicide counseling clinic for families? How on earth do you kjow so many single moms whose baby daddys died? Are you a serial killer?

[Espresso-Grande]

Quite a lot actually

[Espresso-Grande]

If you read my comment correctly you'd realize that's not the only reason. Most of the single women I know were deserted by their partner

[Yaaten]

"If you are a tall, attractive man. There is A LOT of competition for your seed. Women think about a man's qualities and the offspring. Be careful fellas." - Apope16
The same can be said about women who are tall (or slender) and attractive. The attractive people are the ones who are sought after, and it matters little whether they are male or female. Ugly people come last when it comes to dating and relationships, and although it's been claimed they are disadvantaged in other ways as well (ex. employment prospects), there is no solid evidence for this, only anecdotal.

This whole post is rather biased, and not terribly helpful or insightful. The impression I get from it is that the person who wrote it just doesn't like women. I could be wrong about that of course, but the truth is that single parents, whether male or female, should have waited until they were married before deciding to have children. Children need stability in their lives, not chaos, and they need both a father and a mother. A mature, sane person doesn't decide to have a child in order to entrap or manipulate someone. People like that (i. e. sociopathic narcissists) just shouldn't breed.

[R3DthatDude]

I was raised by a single mother so I’m completely against anyone who would talk trash about single mothers. Sometimes the fathers are worthless and are the type of men that don’t want to take care of there own flesh and blood. In this area I feel women are strongest because every time I’m always hearing: I never knew my dad, by many different people. And then the woman is the one left hanging. I know there’s single fathers to, but most of the time it’s single mothers that get left. Then they are the ones having to be strong enough to raise a family on there own.

[ANR29]

Yes. Many good single mothers that were wonderful or are wonderful women with much to offer who are fair levelled headed women but get clumped in with every single one of those negative stereotypes

[VanillaSalt]

Why do stereotypes exist? It’s the same idea behind don’t touch hot things. You know hot things tend to be hot. Your careful to check the stove to see if it’s hot because you don’t want to be burned.

[TruthBringer]

"Sometimes the fathers are worthless and are the type of men that don’t want to take care of there own flesh and blood" Then why did the woman sleep with that man and have their child?

No man is obligated to fix someone else's issues. No man is obligated to take care of a child that is not his. Yeah everything you've said, it doesn't surprise me that you've been raised by a single mother and sadly enough, lack true masculine guidance.

In many if not most cases, the single mother has herself to blame for being a single mother, in the first place. But you would have known this if you've actually done your research.

[R3DthatDude]

@TruthBringer you have no idea what you are talking about. You don’t know my life and what I’ve been through so don’t try to tell me what masculinity is. And also I am referring to fathers who abandon there children, not men taking over for some one else. So tired of ignorant posts of people that actually have no real understanding if you advocate for fathers that leave there kids then you are not a real man you are a boy and are actually the one that lacks masculinity sense being responsible is part of being a man especially raising your OWN child. Real men take care of there children. If you have another man raising your child you have definitely failed as a man. You foolishly jumped the gun and started talking about people taking care of other peoples children. THAT isn’t what I’m referring to. Comprehend what’s being said be for you reply.

[TruthBringer]

Yeah I also was referring to the men who abandon their children. If they are such bad men (they are), why did the woman get with them and have a child with them? It takes two to tango. So many single mothers try to be victims, while really, their choice in men is incredibly poor.
Next time, try to actually read what someone said before you rant out of your emotional state. Or go work on your reading comprehension. Real men take care of their children, yes. Tell that to the single mothers and those who are going to become future single mothers who seek out the ‘bad boy’ and adventurous types rather than get with an actual good man. No wonder so many men choose to opt-out of relationships and dating. Not that I’m one of them.
So far you’ve only come with emotions and no actual arguments.

[R3DthatDude]

@TruthBringer Why are you acting like a child that has no understanding. Human beings change their behavior we are not robots, as if programmed to act one way all the time. In various scenarios there are many reason why a man or woman may change how they act. As you yourself have witnessed from the news people are freaking crazy. It is highly sad and disturbing that anyone would defend a person whether man or women, in the aspect of justification for leaving their child. Not a strangers kid their child. Parents being the single most impacting and influencing part of a kids life, even if the child hates you. And this is the reason why we have crazy people, it starts in the home. I don’t know why you are defending this horrible type of person so vehemently. I am guessing you may be one of this type of people that leaves or left there child and feel guilty from this post. If so don’t blame me bro deal with your issues a different way

[TruthBringer]

Another rant where you completely missed the point and are now gaslighting to make me look like I'm defending someone who leaves his children. How ironic after you tell someone not to act like a child. While you yourself are acting just like one. One with a temper tantrum that is. Stop putting words in people's mouths and actually see the bigger picture.

[R3DthatDude]

Look sir, the very purpose of my post was addressing fathers who leave there children that’s it. If you are not talking about that or defending fathers that leave there kids then this entire conversation is dumb, we are just yapping in the wind. I will not be replying to anything else in this, as it is getting exhausting with the back in forth. Know that I respect your opinion even though I disagree. Have a great day

[TruthBringer]

And my main criticism to your post is that you're mainly focused on victimizing the single mothers for getting left, while leaving outnuances why a man would leave her and perhaps the children. Putting most if not all blame on the man while neglecting crucial factors that the woman may have a play in this aswel. Even though I'm highly against a man leaving his kids, you seem to have ignored my question. And that is:

If he is such a bad man, why did she get with him and why did she make kids with him? See? It reflects back at the woman.

This is the higher level of realization that you seem not to grasp. You stick to simplistic judgments while leaving out nuances. I also have no energy to go back and forth with someone who can't see that a single mother often is victim to her OWN actions rather than that of others. Have a good day.

[Gespenster_division]

I know a lot of guys who target single mothers.

1. Because their standards are lower

2. Often they are desperate

3. More likely to f*ck on a first date.

4. No self respect.

5. Looking for diversion away from her kids.

6. Guranteed place to live.

7. Her ex funding her

8. Worse you treat her the more she wants you

9. She might have been a 9 or an 8 but after a baby she's still a 6 or 7 on the sexual marketplace.

10. If she's hot 🔥

[Purple_Rose]

From what I've seen, at least where I live, men are more attracted to single mothers than women like me with no kids. I think it's cause I'm 25 and single with no kids. Around here, that's not normal and people assume if you haven't gotten pregnant or had a kid by the time you're 22, something is wrong with you. Around here, they almost always go after single mothers.

[GoldenTulip]

That is pretty sad... there are several reasons why someone doesn't have children or at a certain age. What a bullcrap! Girl stay you! Everyone has a own timeline to live.

[Apope16]

I have never heard of that. But you sound smart. You are doing the right thing. Only have kids in marriage.

[Anonymous]

Yeah I agree. I'd put it another way as well: The reality of modern life today is that if you are an adult the vast, vast, VAST majority of problems in your life are YOUR fault. Not your parents, not society--yours. And that's a GOOD thing, because it means that i's pretty easy to reduce the amount of suffering in your life--just do fewer stupid things.

If you're a single guy, what's an EPICLY stupid thing you could do? Get involved with a single mom. You're NOT involved with one now (you're single after all). You don't HAVE to be involved with one--just choose not to. Problem avoided! Your life is now MUCH better than it would otherwise have been and all you needed to do was avoid doing something retarded.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

There's one reason why, the child doesn't belong to him. Period.

There will always be another ex man involved in the wife of your woman wheather you like it or not.

Single moms (non widows) are meant to have fun and sex with, nothing more.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

*life

[Apope16]

And chances are the ex was the love of her life. Not you. Thats why she had his babies

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

That's true too most times. Lol

[KrakenAttackin]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy. Well said. Women control who impregnates them and they control the tone of the relationship. If she made past bad, major, life decisions she will likely continue with bad decisions.

[jasco]

If I do date a single mom, more than likely I would ask her why. Sometimes the woman isn't at fault. Sometimes its the man who decided to just walk up and leave. That happens a lot in black community. So depending on why she is single would I date her. Yes you are correct on everything you said but its not nearly as bad as you make it sound out to be because not to many women do this. I have met a fair share of single mothers and they are pretty decent people. Of course having to raise someone else's kid is always to be desired and frankly I don't want to anymore. But back to the story at hand, women and men are at fault, no one is more at fault than someone else. He put his dick insider of her willing and she let him put his dick inside of her willing so yea

[Laciandmaci]

My dad died so all of YOUR takes are wrong for my situation. My mom was a single mom since I was 2 because of him dying not because of the reasons you stated. She is still single by CHOICE! She does not want a man or anybody.

[AgentDearestZ]

doesn't mean the op was wrong. And you point out that the man wouldn’t matter to your mother so... perfect example.

[Apope16]

Your situation has nothing to do with the article. The article is why MEN dont date single women. Its not about why mothers refuse to date. You have 12 likes because we celebrate the love of motherhood not because your point refutes the article

[rajjjjjjkkkk]

This is sad🙁

[Laciandmaci]

@Apope16 do you have proof that is why I have likes? Also @AgentDearestZ I meant not true, as several of my friends are single and men hits on them often, so single mothers doesn't seem to have a hard time!

[Laciandmaci]

@rajjjjjjkkkk Thank you!

[Laciandmaci]

@Apope16 I also know plenty single moms who goes on plenty of dates. Maybe YOU aren't man enough to give a single mother a chance. Which there is nothing wrong with wanting a child free person.

[Jaylaa2000]

We all have preferences but it's silly to assume that about someone.

The only time i heard an argument that made sense was a man saying he wants to create his own children with someone, rather than raise someone else's.

But maybe she was married to a man who beat her after having a child or he changed hell he could've had an accident that killed him or she fell in one of your categories.

There are so many different reasons someone have a child and becomes a single mom then these assumptions which is why people should treat each person as an individual rather than a group.

Tbh assumptions because you see a single mother is no different than a racist making assumptions about a person because of the color of their skin.

[bamesjond0069]

Yeah a perfect prince is so happy to have a baby he punched her in the face. Bullshit. She either chose a shitty man and ignored all the red flags because she has emotional issues or she drove away a good man. Either one makes her unsuitable for a future relationship.

[Jaylaa2000]

@bamesjond0069 have you ever read any of your comments before?
You have so many insecurities. Mentally deranged gender obsessed hatred with a desperate need to try and cause hate and maybe even borderline delusional behavior.
This is why i blocked you on my last account and i appreciate you posting on this one so i can block you again.
On my gag the people who should be in mental hospitals get blocked.

[KrakenAttackin]

@jaylaa2000. Well you might as well block me too you crazy bitch.

[Jaylaa2000]

@KrakenAttackin no problem. Blocked👍🏾
Any more weak sensitive little boys with insecurities need blocking?

[TruthBringer]

@jaylaa2000 Love how you just resorted to ad hominem tactics. Pretty much proves you lack the intellectual capacity to come up with valid counter arguments. So you resort to put labels on people just to. Anyone who disagrees with your views is "insecure", "mentally deranged", "full of hate" and a bunch of other insecurties of yourself that you're simply projecting onto others. Damn... not only incapabale to come up with something decent, but a coward aswel for blocking. Block me aswel, baby girl. You've pretty much made a fool out of yourself anyway 😂

PS: You've admitted to have another account which is against G@G rules.

@bamesjond0069 @KrakenAttackin Let me join you guys. Gotta love the pink snowflakes on this website 😂

[Jaylaa2000]

@TruthBringer i will discuss with anyone i respect both these men i have no respect for because of past actioms. I read both they comments before.

Kraken runs around trying 2 bully anyone who's opinion that disagrees with him because he is insecure in his masculinity.

The other guy non stops tries to be as sexist as possible with everything he says purposely trying to start trouble. I do not respect them and tired of their bulling attitudes.

Both are very weak men who are insecure they show very classic cases of insecurities.

I admitted to having another account that was closed so incorrect.

No rules violated.

[Yaaten]

"Any more weak sensitive little boys with insecurities need blocking?" - Jaylaa2000
Yes, me, me, me! Pick me! :)

[invalid1]

Well, I am not tall, I am short, there is no competition around my seed. But everything has a context buddy.
If I meet a single mother, I am not going to be with her without knowing the whole story. If I judge her to be a good person, why not? We all make mistakes both men and women 😬
I mean you made a lot of good points, you're an experienced man and all.

But I tend to give opportunity for others to change. Because that's what I want for myself. So if there is a woman who got pregnant and had a baby just to help herself, it didn't work well. If I date her - and I am sure many guys think like me- I am going to measure how genuinely did she learn or change from the experience. Prejudice doesn't help any guy no matter who he is.

[Apope16]

Trust me. If you know the REAL story youd run away in most cases. Divorce is one thing. But why would you carry a child out of wedlock? There is no reason other than selfishness and manipulation of a man to marry them.

[t-8900]

I would date a single mom under certain circumstances. If she had a child with someone who passed away for instance. Or if she proved to me that the relationship became violent much later on. But I wouldn't want to more than maybe one child from the previous relationship and the father would have to be out of the picture because that complicates things too much. Also I want 2 of my own biological children so she's have to be willing to give me that. Lastly some single moms for some reason (not all I know this) become extremely hypergamous and want a man with lots of extra money to spend for her and her kids. Well I'm by no means a top earner and I also think such a woman is being unrealistic about her actual prospects. I've helped raise kids before in a way. I used to visit the projects with a Christian group to feed families and take the kids out to play ball. It was very rewarding.