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You offered. He accepted. I really don't see the problem here?
Also, think about it long-term. You aren't gonna go out for a meal when (if) you're married, and be like oh no it's okay, I'll pay. Like, better get used to both of you paying haha
you're being a girl... in a bad way. in my opinion bills should go back and forth anyway, it should never be the guy for every date. things are better when they're equal. Also stop with these "tests" if thats what it was, you're going to fuck things up if you do that.
I world be been disappointed if you'd paid the whole thing. Splitting the bill is very accepted nowadays I think.
To be perfectly honest would I be a teeny tiny bit bummed that on a first date we split it? Maybe but it's no deal breaker. Now if you'd offered to pay for both and he accepted that would really really suck (unless you were the one asking him out, then that's different).
Go to school please.
@mds6387 been there, done that
Proof read your work. It doesn't take long. I'm wasted, and still proof read my work. Thank you.
@mds6387 what the hell are you talking about, enlighten me please. I didn't know this was a goddamn grammar test! Do tell... I'm anxiously waiting...
I don't care about grammar damn it. I understand mistakes, trust me. But babe, you meant to say "would" instead of "world" right? It's not even a spelling error; it's totally a different word. I guess you didn't mean to. I'm sorry sweetheart. I'm just trying to help you. I'm not trolling you. 🙂
@mds6387 meant to say "would've". I'm college educated and consider grammar and spelling mistakes extremely annoying but calling me out on this lame typo of mine makes you a worse grammar/spelling nazi than myself.
Keep reading on this site. You'll see much, much worse than this.
And thank you for pointing out my mistake. I am not drunk, just old and human.
You're not old. You're gorgeous.
Well given it was an online date splitting costs is appropriate until you decide if you like each other enough for a relationship. If it goes more than 2 or 3 dates you might want to clarify what rules you should have between you etiquette wise. Including when to meet family.
He really should have politely declined your generous offer. I say generous, because he invited you. When guys take a girl out for a date, he should really try to leave a good first impression. His simple acceptance of your money caused him to fail. As evidenced by your question. This should be a cautionary tale to guy gaggers looking for advice on landing a girlfriend.
You sound like a dude permanently in the friend-zone. Being a doormat and overly willing to please won't get you a girlfriend, if i were the guy in this situation i'd cut my losses and find a girl with more sanity.
@extremelybored on what planet does someone invite another person on a date and then have that guest pay? if anything, she should cut HER losses.
If you think traditionally, why did you ask to split then?
Do you have any idea how irritating this question is? You've met someone on the internet, you could just say that you'll pay for what you had there, instead of splitting and then you'd not feel weird about it.
Sorry but you offered I would say what did you expect but you expected the exact opposite obviously.
Its like when someone tells you to keep something and you say no you should keep it you expect them to insist and you'll accept it but it's one of those cases when they accept instead.
Don't say something you don't mean.
you offered and he accepted most likely not wanting to offend you by being a typical traditional guy and to make you feel equal and not to preassure you into traditional ways
If he offered you guys split and you didn't offer it taken into consideration that he asked you out, than that would be kinda douchy
If you didn't want to pay for the bill, then why did you offer in the first place? That seems a little weird to me. You shouldn't have offered if you didn't feel comfortable paying. You could have at most split the bill instead.
You're right the man should always pay. It's a sign of being a gentleman. I always offer but if he took money from me he wouldn't be getting a second date. I'm extremely traditional and so is my boyfriend he still doesn't let me pay for things he said it's embarrassing for him if where on a date and I take out money.
Dump him! Then run him over. But, seriously... never see him again. No amount of work (no matter what you think) will ever fix him - and, believe me, there are many more (and worse) sides to him. Run, Honey.
what the fuck
@blabli lol
y'all grown ups right? You ate? he ate? perfect. Split bill right there
Exactly. Why must we make up dumb rules all the time?
@tyber1 that's what I say. Society dude. They make it up. And we all know society ain't smart sometimes
Went on a 1st date, he accepted my offer to pay?
LMFAO in my opinion it's suited not to offer something you're not willing to give.
Him talking you on your offer likely gave you the impression that he wasn't that interested in you to spend his money on you. No different to me than a guy fucking a gal on the first date and thinking she's not girlfriend material because she was 'easy'.
I agree It's a bit odd he didn't insist, although if u offer to pay, u shouldn't b that surprised if he says yes. maybe he feels strongly about how men always have to pay for the first date. I am also a bit traditional but I feel like this isn't a big deal at all. All in all, ur over thinking things, which I do all the time lol my b, but he probably hasn't thought twice about it and u shouldn't either. Good luck, hope things work out!
-xoxo mandy
You are right, it isn't a big deal. So don't worry about it. Who cares if he agreed to it? Makes him seem more honest, if anything. There is nothing wrong with splitting the bill, even if he happened to order something more expensive. Irrelevant stuff really.
I think it is fair to split or at least pay your portion when it is a first meet and greet. A guy can't pay for all the one and done dates he might have. You don't know if there will be a 2nd date. If there is then he can pay and occasionally you can reciprocate if he is cool with that. He either accepted because maybe he was caught off guard or thought she might be a feminist and get pissed if I refuse.
You now know that not everyone will say no to an offer. (which is why I rarely offer food to some people) Next time, pay for your meal and he can splurge on what he likes. If I'm with my boyfriend and we aren't treating each other, I'll pay for my thing because he ALWAYS gets something more expensive. When we pay for what we got, he still gets to splurge and my wallet isn't upset.
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If you choose a best answer, people won't be able to submit an answer anymore. Sorry for all the hate, try to shrug it off.
I can understand the surprise, it's a bit hincky to have someone ask you out then not pay a dime. I'd feel the same, be it a date or just with friends or family. I'd see of he reciprocares the offer. It's only fair that if you picked up the last tab, he should get the next. If he doesn't offer to at least go dutch, leave him in the dust.
You're thinking too much into it young lady, will only result in things souring if you let it ferment :)
I'd take it for this time that he was just respecting what you wanted to do.
Nothing to this, just take it forward and see where it leads, good luck :)
Why would you be called an idiot? who is?
The fact is, is that it was totally normal of him to accept the offer you made, but you aren't attracted to him anymore because of it. Don't keep lying to yourself, he could've been the nicest guy in the world, but he blew it with that one interaction. You don't get to choose who you are attracted to, and because of that one innocent mistake, it's over between you two. No one's fault, but that's the way the dice fell.
You do choose who you are attracted to but will they feel that way about you is the question
@Quitshoeplay55 That's just not true. That's why it's called being "attracted" to them. "Attracted" means "to be drawn in". Are fish choosing to be attracted to a hook? Are magnets choosing to be attracted to a reverse pole?
Fish aren't people, attraction is very real
You can't completely control who you are attracted to but I've found that you can influence it more than you may realize by shifting the way you think about things.
to be honest , always know that if a guy is a gentlemen he would pay for you. but honestly if you are in a relationship with him , it will be your turn to pay and sometimes him.
if he asked you out let him take you out.
don't lead him use you or control you
Yeah, if you're 15. Basically, don't say things you don't mean. If you want the guy to pay, then don't offer after he throws down the plastic. Common sense...
@mds6387 i never had that in my situation
@mds6387 its equal agreeing on each other
I wouldn't think too much into it. go on the second date and maybe things will work out better. Maybe he felt awkward by saying no? I don't know some people may feel that way. Or maybe, he was nervous? I don't know to be honest, but don't think too much into it :) he likes you!
''bluff call''? thats a strange way to think about things. If I offer to pay I actually mean it. Just because you are a girl you want to see if this guy is some prince waiting to swoop you off your feet by passing your chivalry test? I hope you are genuine and not like that most of the time. can't stand people who play these games
You're the dummy who offered. How about you just be yourself instead of trying to be a politically correct feminist? There are lots of guys who like myself who find it to be a turn off when women tries to be the man. If I wanted to date a guy who would pay for his own meals then I wouldn't be out on a date with a woman now would I? Not saying the roles can never be reversed and the woman take her man out on a nice date and pay, but that should definitely not occur the first several dates.
He just respected your offer to split. It's not a problem.
All these people saying that this is normal , no it's not. Men should pay on the first date. Period. Especially if THEY ask you out. Grown men shouldn't want to split the bill because grown men shouldn't be dating if they're that hard up on cash. Dating is a privilege not a priority. If you barely have money for yourself don't get find yourself a girlfriend and leave her always paying half of everything because if I wanted that, I'd go out with a FRIEND or find myself a roomate. If I'm with a man for a while I have no problem paying half. Hell if we move in together, with my job I'd pay for all of the " going out "activities. Such a movies, bowling , dinners, while he covered the bills. I'm a fair woman, but I'm traditional and that's just how it is with me. So no, he wouldn't be getting a second date
Lol dating is a privledges for men but I guess women are just entitled to it
Holy heck, get a load of *this* entitled broad...
You're traditional, you say? Then why are you here on the internet? You shouldn't speak up, unless your husband allows you to. Forget about voting as well, traditional women should stay home in the kitchen.
You pick and choose the parts of traditionalism you like. You're not traditional, you're just sexist. If you keep the entitled attitude up, you *WILL* end up alone in your 40's.
@Kirah I have no problem staying home cooking, cleaning, watching the kids, doig his laundry, washing his dishes, etc. If he goes out and makes the money, I'll stay home and make sure our house and kids are well taken care of. That lifestyle works best for me, you choose what's best for you. I'm not picking and choosing parts, I do want a traditional marriage.
If you want a traditional marriage, why are you on here? Traditional women aren't allowed to speak their mind. Did you discuss things with your husband first? Better make sure he doesn't find out, or he may beat you with his belt. You know, the traditional way.
Sorry for the exaggeration, but you get my point. You listed all the ways you benefit from traditionalism, but none of the negatives. Probably because you choose to ignore the negatives. That's called "picking and choosing". Prime indicator of privilege.
Sorry that you get a lot of hate. No question is stupid
To the question..
For me it`s not a biggie. I barely let anyone pay something for me because i have money and i`m not a princess that has to get everything in her way. It is ofc a traditional thing for a guy to do. Which is paying the date meal. But i would rather split, because it sounds more reasonable that way.
He asked you out, it would have been polite & a nice gesture if he picked up the tab. But since you 'offered' - ya might as well get over it. You should work it out ahead of time (or work it out in your head what you're prepared to do or what you expect).
If my date picked up the tab, I'd insist on leaving the tip, or offer to get the next one...
For me it's confusing, especially if I'm just having dinner with a female 'friend'. So I made it a rule to always insist on paying. Typically they'll allow me to pay. Obviously if you had to ask a question about it, it struck you as strange. He's lucky you sti want to date him.
Don't worry about it! The bill got paid and that's all that matters. The whole issue of who pays is really kinda silly. You can offer and so can he. And if you're not sure, going Dutch is a great way to keep everybody happy. But if he ever really wants to pay, just let him. Guys like to feel important and needed in that way.
If you offer to pay you shouldn't be that surprised they won't reject your offer :P
This!
I don't understand what's so weird about it.
>> How do i close this question, I'm being called an idiot by hundreds of people and this needs to stop
Well considering the preconditions it's honestly no surprise that happened lol
You're too old to be playing silly games like that. If you genuinely want to pay- offer, if not- don't.
Personally, I think the man should always pay, regardless if it's a first date or not. And a guy should never ask a girl to pay; if he can't afford to take her out, he needs to be honest with her and they both can just have a night in.
Oh? Is it cause you think women are weak?
If he likes you he doesn't want to make you upset over something so little. He offered to pay by taking out his card first. You declined by taking out yours. Was he supposed to start a fight in the restaurant?
Most men like being the protector/provider as long as the don't feel they are getting played. I doubt that he was happy you paid.
On the other hand, if he asks you to pay, run.
Me too I had experienced that. And the worst of it is I don't even know that he has no money at all and he expected me to pay. Hahaha. It was a very first time experienced and I never wanted to date him anymore cause he is expecting me to share when he ask me out again. I'm traditional too but I think there is nothing wrong with being traditional. Guys should know that the first date is where they will give impact and impression with the girl.
Really your traditional? Do you have sex with the guy when ever he wants? Do you cook all the meals? Clean the house? Because that's a rare thing to find a traditional woman who is actually traditional vs a woman who wants a man to do everything she wants and then gives absolutely nothing back because she decided that she is traditional when it suits her and is modern when it doesn't.
@hellionthesage I do cook, I clean the house. If you are saying is the man I am married to someday I can do that. But as of this time that I am still single I can date a man whom I can share if we agreed upon it. I already do that. As long as we agreed with it then why not. I am not saying that I want the man to always pay on our date it just a matter of how you two agreed.
Well again, the issue is she offered to pay for her half of the meal, she did not pay for his and he was trying to pay for hers as well before she stopped him. So that's my point she offered to pay for her half then got offended when he accepted said offer.
@hellionthesage I think as she updated her status she still wants to go out with him so let it be anyway she is the one who will decide what is good for her. I thought she is asking for any opinion or advise to make a decision. I think she already decided to continue seeing her so let her be.
I like traditional roles. Why would i go out with someone who didn't. I am upfront. I want a man who pays for the 1st date, asks me out w a place and time, holds doors etc.
Why pretend to be who you arent? I don't even offer and trust me. I have no shortage of dates! I will offer to leave the tip. I will treat after i know someone or bring a bottle to a byob.
But if you are traditional and want traditional don't offer. Assume you are worth effort and he will too :)
Because offering makes him feel like you aren't using him. Hopefully you are grateful and tell him that you are grateful for paying for your meal.
It feels terrible when you pay for someone on a date, and they don't even say thank you. Especially if they don't end up on a 2nd date. Leads to a HUGE feeling of being used.
@Botchie i ALWAYS say thank you. A traditional male will not feel used. One who has less traditional values may
Unless you're in his mind, I wouldn't assume that. Later in life when you're doing traditional wife things for him, you'll want to hear him say thank you and that he appreciates what you do for him so that you don't feel used and that you're only good for traditional roles in life.
You wanna know something funny, you traditional women never offer anything unless the man puts his offer on the table first. Why is that? Why should any man put himself in a position where he can be used for a free meal by woman like yourself?
Women*
@Botchie ummm no. Im old enough tht im mot "surprised". Its what im attracted to so i appreciate it. Furthermore i do know because i get asked out repeatedly by the same men.
Ok but you're not answering my question though. I'm asking what can you offer?
@dontknow12 my company and conversation and the pleasure of taking a lady on a date. Of this is incomprehenaible to someone they aren't my type. So no loss
I would accept and if he doesn't offer to pay and let's you pay again move on. in my opinion whoever does the asking does the paying. Sometimes if we are getting drinks I pick up the second round or whatever but if he invites me a second time and does pay anything that's not a good sign.
*doesnt.
Honestly he's not really a gentlemen then and/or is broke. You don't want either one. I'm going to get downvoted but please listen to me. You don't need him.
oh my kitten god! love your answer!
@starryeyedkitten thanks girl
no problem handsome
@starryeyedkitten I'm blushing sexy
The discomfort you are feeling is due to your words and actions not aligning with your desires; please don't project your discomfort with yourself onto other people.
Just curious... why did you offer if you didn't want to split it? Of course you'll come across guys who will want to split...
Meh, I think what he did was fine. If you're not cool with paying, don't offer to pay or just don't go on the date, y'know? I'd be cool with it.
@ fauchelevent You got it down to a T. You are probably quite a catch.
Personally , I will never accept any one to pay for me for anything, including dates and etc... don't appreciate problems or inuendoes which seem to give birth from this type of stuff. Even though I'm quite unapproachable anyhow by choice , I still will never put myself in that position , partly because I'm always in a relationship. Soooooo...
asker... when a woman in this particular incident refuses him to continue traditionally by paying , you will come off as insulting or secondly... entitled. Not to mention it rings a bell that you're not interested in going any further with the options. If some one invites you... there're supposed to pay.
Honestly, that wouldn't bother me. Hubby and I used to do the same thing when we first started dating. There is nothing wrong with you paying for things as long as there is an even split.
i am a feminist, however if you offer to split don't get offended if the guy takes you up on it. it's stupid to offer something you clearly don't want to and then get mad/disappointed when the offer is taken.
If you are as you say "old fashioned" don't offer anything. if a guy makes you pay when he asked you out then leave the date, no one is making you stay. however if you offer to pay don't expect to be treated like royalty. times are changing and money is becoming more of a priority.
As per traditions , man is expected to pay. But you two agreed to split it. Don't worry much about the matter. I know , you like the boy. Continue dating him more.
I think ur over thinking it I mean u did offer to pay I think that it's cool when the date splits it though and sure it's nice once and a while for the guy to pay but I wouldn't want them to do it all the time so I think go on the date if he doesn't pay that time it might b an issue but other than that it sounds like ur overthinking hope it works out though
Your offer to pay*
But then you say you offered to split, to which he agreed to.
So which is it?
Because if you are really nagging about the fact he merely "let" you pay for your own portion then you will be hardly getting any empathy from me.
Ya waved the expectation of him paying for you when you offered to spilt.
Simple as that to me.
It's too messy these days what with so many fussy people to guess what the other person prefers, so I just ask ahead of time.
If you want to be treated equally, it's only fair that you and all other women share responsibilities such as paying equally as well.
Can't have your cake and eat it too!
I can't believe something like this is something worth a dealbreaker to many people.
What I can't even believe any more is, that we want gender equality but people lose their minds about something like this happening.
I mean, what's the deal?
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And disregard any idiotic troll, who shuns you for what you did.
If you aren't willing, don't offer. I would've taken you up on the offer also, especially a first date as I think it should be split (each pays their own).
It also would make me have some respect for you right of the bat for not expecting the guy to pay as I think most women do. It would tell me your not into me for my money. Just making the offer isn't enough. Money where your mouth is kinda thing.
You shouldn't let this one thing concern you so much, especially since you've only gone on one date. You said you really like him; that's what matters. Go out with him again and don't let this one thing bother you.
If you didn't want to split it then you shouldn't have offered to split it. Most guys are done 2nd guessing what girls really mean when they say something.
I agree. Don't say something you don't really mean. Actually he did nothing wrong, he just accepted the offer.
He was being honest and didn't fall into your 'test game'. He's a keeper.
... unless of course you want a guy you can play mental bullshit games with.
Well since you like him, then go ahead and go on date #2. It's water under the bridge now anyway but when you offered to split (which I think is sweet) he should have said "that's OK, I got it but thanks for the offer!" That's how a gentlemen should have handled that, especially on the first date. in my opinion, if a man ask a woman out, he should pay. If she ask him out, then they can split or she can treat him or he can offer to pay anyway.
As a first date i'm not looking for sex, but if i get i'm pleased ; and if you want to split the bill i have no problem with it , those that feel that it's an insult to have a woman help pay for dinner i hope you do carry a woman and she orders beluga caviar and your card gets decline then would still feel the same. I'm a man first if i choose to be a gentleman it will be on my terms and no one else terms.
Ha! You're fake as hell. The old fake lets split it. I hope he firgures it out sooner rather than later.
You acted ok by offering to split it and he should have said, no I invited you and I'll pay. Thats what a gentleman would do.
Nevertheless you shouldn't take this too serious bc it also means he is not traditional and treats women as equals.
I'm a little confused. For clarification, did you end up paying for all of it or did you actual split?
Oh sorry we split
Ah, alright. Well we can't really say he "failed" the test since you did offer. Up until that point he was going to be gentlemanly about it. He wants to see you again so I don't see a reason to hold it against him.
sorry to say it but you're being dumb. Why offer to pay if it is going to bother you when he accepts. If you don't want your hands dirty why are you sticking them in the mud?
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