Who has gone mgtow on GAG? and why?

[coachTanthony]

Would love to hear everyone's opinion on this currently since it has now been out a while and not new anymore. Are you a MGTOW? Were you and you decided it wasn't for you? Maybe you are thinking about this lifestyle choice...

Ladies let us know what you think about this lifestyle? Don't forget to smash that like button.. it's just my ego on the line HA

I HAVE

I HAVEN'T YET BUT AM THINKING ABOUT IT

I WOULD NEVER GO MGTOW

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+1 y

M. G. T. O. W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.

[cth96190]

I was MGTOW before there was a name for it.
It was a reaction to female behaviour and the changing legal environment, in which it is too dangerous to form a relationship with a woman, or, in some places, even approach a woman. In Nottinghamshire, England, a man can be arrested on an Orwellian thought crime charge and serve prison time for simply saying hello to a woman. See:
www.theguardian.com/.../nottinghamshire-police-count-wolf-whistling-hate-crime
I have been hurt and fucked over by women in almost every imaginable way. I realise that I am far from alone in that experience. I decided that continued attempts to interact with women on that level were a form of self harm.
Subsequent events showed that life and the gods had a perverse and dark sense of humour.
When I was a teenager and then a 20-something I could almost not get a date, because I was not an 'exciting' bad boy.
After 30, women began to come on to me. By the time that they and I turned 35 women were hitting on me. Even at what the younger people in this place may consider to be my somewhat advanced age, I am the target of more than a little female interest. The women who are doing the mating dance in front of me, at this time, range in age from 36 to 51.
I have not touched a woman for 15 years and four months, as a matter of choice.
Why?
When I was young, women, as a collective, were not interested. After they hit the wall, women, as a collective, became very interested in me.
How should I feel about that?
What I see are former nightclub party princesses, for whom I would not have been 'fun' or 'exciting' enough when they and I were younger, who are looking for either a retirement plan or a man who they can asset strip in the Family Court after a couple of years of cohabitation and/or marriage.
When a woman approaches me I feel used as a convenience (in a public toilet sort of way). I would not have been 'fun' or 'exciting' enough then, but I am good enough now that her range of options is dwindling due to the effect of the wall.
Should I risk being hurt again?
Should I take a 50 per cent risk (the current divorce rate) that any female with whom I form a relationship will steal everything that I have, which would leave me on a park bench in the rain?
In December, last year, I weakened and allowed myself to be attracted to a woman. I was rejected, which is 100 per cent her right.
If a dog is kicked often enough, it learns to stay away from the source of the pain.

[Mrwoo99]

Carl I'd put my bottom dollar that you copy and paste these short comment essay's for future use lol

[Unit1]

My response includes in these links

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2299213-was-anyone-else-once-a-mgtow-feminist-but-has-left-it

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a29613-how-i-turned-from-being-bitter-resentful-towards-girls-into-a

[Anonymous]

If I was a man, I probably wouldn't join. I'd acknowledge the fact that the courts are more favourable of women in terms of custody and divorce, but I wouldn't withdraw from having relationships altogether. Any relationship for both men and women have the potential of going bad, sometimes these things are out of our control, but life is about experiences, learning lessons, and making meaningful friendships and relationships. I wouldn't sacrifice that part of life just because I'm afraid of getting hurt or screwed over, I'd just be cautious, selective, and smart about my relationships. Honestly, I probably wouldn't get married and I'd probably get a vasectomy as well. There are ways to protect yourself without completely avoiding women, I think that's childish. Sometimes MGTOW can seem like a bunch of babies to me.

[alphadoggystyle]

you seem to have failed to understand, most mgtow guys dont avoid women completely. We still date them and sleep with them when we get the opportunity. But we are careful, and use condoms and avoid relationships and marriage. Feminists are the ones who are always acting like babies.

[brain5000]

@alphadoggystyle I keep seeing you post this comment over and over. I haven't slept with anyone for two years. Not out there, not trying. Your version of MGTOW is called "dating."

[alphadoggystyle]

@brain5000 i know there are several levels of mgtow, but nowhere does it state that being a mgtow means you have to avoid sleeping with girls. Thats why i assume most mgtow guys who can get one night stands and casual sex like myself can, would do it. I mean why not, its not that big of a risk as long as you use condoms and avoid having drunk sex.

[brain5000]

@alphadoggystyle Where does it state that a MGTOW has to not date? I mean, no rulebook is really written anywhere about what a MGTOW can and cannot do. I defer to the late justice Potter Stewart and how he defined porn as a reference/analogy to your behavior and dating.

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[brain5000]

You're sleeping with women? That's the definition of dating, buddy. Unless you are somehow able to fuck them without talking to them.

[brain5000]

Which, of course, if we want to seriously entertain that notion :) raises serious consent issues.

[alphadoggystyle]

@brain5000 The women i sleep with are usually under the impression that we are dating, but im only looking for one thing, and i often get it without that much effort. but still, i avoid relationships and i would never marry. But one day i do want kids so a relationship is inevitable. But i still consider myself a mgtow because i know about the gynocentric society and i know about female nature and male superiority.

[brain5000]

@alphadoggystyle What you are doing has all of the earmarks of "if I meet someone awesome, I might accidentally get a case of the feels, and that will be the end of my MGTOWness." This is otherwise known as "dating."

Meanwhile I haven't had a date or intimate contact with a woman for two years. At the very least, I am genuine, hardcore; you are a poser.

[alphadoggystyle]

@brain5000 dude i have only gotten feelings for a girl twice in my entire life, and both those instances where when i was ver young (around 18) and that was before i knew all of this hypergamy stuff. At this point im so confident and happy being single that i dont even put much thought into women, it truly feels like i can never get attached again. And even if i liked someone i could treat them well but still avoid marriage.

[Mrwoo99]

@alphadoggystyle Yeah but you personally what do you do to get sex? Myself I just sleep with whores.

[alphadoggystyle]

@Mrwoo99 i use tinder and i get quite a lot of dates and casual sex from that. Im quite good-looking and masculine in appearance, so its not that hard. The most i will spend on these women is maybe buying them dinner at one occasion. But only if we have talked for a while and I'm certain of her interest level, after i have banged them for a couple of times and i get tired i dump them. Sometimes they suspect I'm only after sex and stop responding to me, but then i just move on to the next woman.
I have also bought prostitutes at some occasions, but i mostly do that when I'm traveling abroad to other countries. Sometimes i do it at home too because I save a lot of time and can fuck a 10 for no effort, but it would get too expensive to get all the sex from only escorts.

[vonasaurus]

offline, i've only met one guy who identified as mgtow. and it was scary shit: he blamed women for all of his problems and was so bitter that he regularly talked about murdering and mass-raping women because he couldn't get any.

and that's what most of the mgtow i've encountered online are like as well. bitter, violent, and would rather hurt someone than work on themselves.

[Topkek]

LMAO you're lying so hard.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Another lying feminist.

[vonasaurus]

lol no to both; your ignorant responses only prove me right. :)

you're gonna have to do better than that. try again. :) <3

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Maybe your just bitter because no man wants you lol

[vonasaurus]

oh, so that's why i'm in a healthy, normal relationship? lol.

face it, kid: you just can't win. :)

[Unit1]

Look, @JudgmentDay ! I told you MGTOW is for a major part like that. Hence I am no part of this.

She said the same thing as I did: Blaming women for their problems instead of owning up life and rock on.

[vonasaurus]

@Topkek yes, puppet! dance for our amusement!

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[Kirah]

I can totally believe this happened. /s

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Dam, your boyfriend must be desperate.

[vonasaurus]

oh, so that's why you're the one who's obviously reaching? nice try, though.

note that, in typical mgtow fashion, you are personally attacking me because you haven't got a leg to stand on and would rather hurt someone than better yourself. feel free to keep it going, though~ your anger amuses me. :) <3

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[Kirah]

When you say "your anger amuses me", all I can think of is this:

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[Love_Is_Eternal]

Give it time, your boyfriend will eventually wake up and dump you in the gutter where you belong :)

[Mrwoo99]

@Kirah Female sexuality is so 'backward' that not even scientists of today can't seem to fathom. Women are not capable of choosing partners because they're irrational and make dangerous discussions by rewarding bad men with sex thus increasing crime and suffering, Beautiful women who reward good/nice caring men with sex that encourage an offspring of a good generation which leads to a good planet.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Mrwoo99 Bravo! I've said the same thing so many times, that women are terrible at making logical decisions when it comes to relationships. They reward the bad men with sex and produice children with them. No wonder society is so fucked up.

[Mrwoo99]

dangerous decisions*

[Mrwoo99]

@Love_Is_Eternal Marriages today created by feminism that are based on emotional/irrational decision= highest divorce rate in human history.

Traditional marriages before was based on both logic and emotional decision making= Most marriages on average were successful.

Arrange Marriages that are based on pure logic and stability= Nearly all marriages are successful with little to no divorce.

[oboeyoudidnt]

MGTOW is just a way for men to bitch, like how new feminism is a way for women to bitch. Stop bitching about how unfair the world is and solve these issues. I don't really care what others do with their lives so I'm not going to get onto people who join either movement. But that's my opinion

[samhradh_leannan]

It seems to me that there are as many different definitions out there of what MGTOW means as there are definitions of what feminism means.

[Kuraj]

I don't identify with MGTOW but I find the core message valid.
I value one's own sovereignty over anything and I find men who are so insecure about their own masculinity that they are willing to conform to societal standards, that do nothing but villainize and exploit them, to the point where they not only violate their own integrity but challenge the integrity of those who actually have it by saying things like "MGTOW are whiny victims" for it is easier to reflect than accept your own utter lack of dignity - as sad and pathetic.

[MarkRet]

I never was an MGTOW officially, but I had a messed up life growing up, and didn't even get into dating until my twenties. I didn't hate women, or anything like that. I kind of thought that they just wouldn't want me anyway, so I just went my own way and didn't even try connecting with them. At the same time, I was getting some shit from peers, who thought I was some kind of faggot or pussy, just because I wasn't out scoring with girls. Eventually, I did do some growing up, and started connecting with women.

[Unit1]

Just like me, pal.
High school is a fucking battlefield, a prison with mandatory conviction regardless of innocence.

[Phantomium]

No intention to date anytime soon - yes.
Whining like a kid about how unfair the world is - no.
If people would spend as much time in solving their issues as they do in bitching and finding others to bitch in groups, the world will become a heaven.

[oboeyoudidnt]

Agree

[Kirah]

All I can say is good luck to you.

I fully understand why people would go MGTOW. The courts are pretty biased against men.

[Tiger288]

Thank u for understanding.

[Sara413]

If a bunch of bitter dudes wanna remove themselves from the dating pool, that is fine by me! I'm no longer in the dating game anyways, but at least my friends who are still single will have a bit less bullshit to deal with :)

[alphadoggystyle]

sry but you're wrong. Most mgtow guys are still sleeping with women, we just avoid spending much money on them and avoid relationships and marriage.

[BluesBoy]

For what I see that's just dudes who went full retards, they don't want to marry and make a sort of community/logo on that concept... wtf? I don't know man, live your life as you want to live it no need to tag yourself with some bullshit like you are a member of a gang : "oh, I'm a MGTOW"

[coachTanthony]

Maybe MGTOW on the back of a jean jacket would look good? No? LOL

[BluesBoy]

I don't understand the concept you put in your update and honestly you can delete the world Men in this definition and you would have the same outcome.

Basically, it is just doing what you want with your life which is pretty much what everybody does today in our world.

The only thing is that it implies that the men will reject the "definition" of manliness or refuse to undertake task that the society excepts them to do.

Still don't really get it as society does not expect you to do much as a man or a woman. Basicaly everybody is entitled to do what the fuck he wants by today standards.

[coachTanthony]

That came from the MGTOW website... I didn't make it up!

[BluesBoy]

never say you have made it, I just enlight that it is an empty concept in my opinion.

[coachTanthony]

That's cool... just saying it's not my concept!

[lord_chilled]

Most real mgtowers are men who habe been serioulsy hurt or screwed over in the past. The younger , less experienced guys, who follow, usually dont quite have their heart in it and i bet that the right , cyte or hot woman eould easily get him back.

I have known quite an amount of horrible women, but , i haven't quite given up on marriage. I do want to have a wife and kids. Even now, i know that thats what would make me happy.
So i can't give up on it. Willing to take the risk. Besides im kinda good at weeding out bad females, so ill probably be alright.

[JudgmentDay]

I can only think of someone here that is an EX-MGTOW: @Unit1.

I'm a "Single For Lifer and Childfree", at least that's the label I make for myself, MGTOW doesn't fit for me. I would want to be friends with and follow ANY user that is part of either the "Single For Life" and/or "Childfree" crowds here at GAG, REGARDLESS of race, color, religion, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, age, blah, blah, etc.

[Unit1]

Thanks for the mention, friend!

[ThisDudeHere]

I have educated myself about MGTOW but I'm not a part of it. Neither do I fully agree with them with everything.

[karahiri]

How someone chooses to live is up to them. I may not fully understand MGTOW, but... I don't have to. Good luck to the MGTOWers.

[SovereignessofVamps]

I've only ever seen MGTOW online, so even if it's popular on GAG I don't think it's common IRL. I think its a silly movement. I think the guys into it, don't really mean it, since they focus on women so much.

[skeptic002]

no hun trust me they mean it there just angry

[Truthatanycost]

Japan is an example of how things turned out. Herbivores is just another name for it. Their birth rates are low and women are paying men for dates, dinner and basic company.

[skeptic002]

@Truthatanycost

I need to go to japan
she can buy me a steak dinner

[Truthatanycost]

@skeptic002 Check this article about it tribune.com.pk/.../

I bet there was a time where people were laughing about the situation and shaming them but now the Government in Japan is concerned. We always seem to have warnings before the shit hits the fan...

[ProjectBaby1K]

Trust me you wouldn't know, they'll just tell you they don't date or that they like being single. No one will just come out and say "I'm MGTOW".

[alphadoggystyle]

of course you won't hear about it in real life. most guys who are mgtow still sleep with women, we just avoid relationships. But if we talked openly about mgtow around women, our chances of sleeping with them would be drastically lower. I thought this would be common sense.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@alphadoggystyle I thought MGTOW guys were against that, since it risks her being preggo and taking advantage of him with a baby. If she got preggo, then his life can be ruined.

[alphadoggystyle]

Yeah and thats why most mgtow guys also practice safe sex, always use condoms and avoid having sex while drunk.
For me personally i dont always use a condom because sometimes you can get a good read on a girl if she seems like the type who would do something like that, if the girl is desperate and nearing 30 in age, then i will be more careful, but if she is younger, and/or just seems more carefree, someone who doesn't plan ahead and justs do things in the moment, then i usually just fuck her without a condom because i can quite easily control myself from ejaculating before i want to.

[Mrwoo99]

@alphadoggystyle I'm a mgtow and still sleep with women, I just dont cohabit with women or give them commitment. On the plus side, most of the time I just go for high end model escorts and then 'pay to leave' once I've finished 3 rounds of getting my rocks off... oh yeaaah baby!

[SovereignessofVamps]

@alphadoggystyle It's not about age or how she acts FYI, but do what you want.

@Mrwoo99 Go for it... but that sounds really lonely.

[alphadoggystyle]

I can never know 100% for sure wheter a woman would sperm jack me, or if she really wants a kid or not, but i can make a very good educated guess based on my interactions with these girls and how they act and what they say. And so far its worked out fine as I've avoided any potential problems.

[Mrwoo99]

How does it sound lonely? I'm not lonely, I'm just free from the BS dating gives me.

[ProjectBaby1K]

I'm not MGTOW. But they have the right idea towards relationship; Throwing away marriage/cohabitation is the smartest option for men.

[Mrwoo99]

Well we are discriminated against... even in dating.

[ProjectBaby1K]

@Mrwoo99 Men are oppressed by the gynocentric divorce and family courts

[Mrwoo99]

Urmmm... and the dating system.

[ProjectBaby1K]

@Mrwoo99 I wouldn't say the dating system since you can walk away from dating, even if you're in a relationship.

If you're in a marriage/common law though, there is no getting out, at least not without getting raped by the divorce and family courts first.

[Mrwoo99]

Well you can't exactly walk away from dating because a mans primal need is to have sex which is part of is health. What can a man do? In US prostitution is illegal also so he even can't do that. Obviously men won't die but lack of sex can cause mental and physical health problems. Go research it...

[ProjectBaby1K]

@Mrwoo99 Ik that, but who gives a fuck about it being illegal? You're better off paying escorts, than having a LT girlfriend, it's much cheaper if you think about it.

If escorts aren't your thing, that's cool. No one said you have to date, you can have FWBs, there are even swinger websites if you really need it. My point is: it IS a man's primal need to have sex, but there's other ways to get it than enter a relationship.

[fueledbythc]

I share the MGTOW ideas but I'm not bitter towards women. So what if I like being my own person and doing what I want to do. I'm open to relationships but I'm very closed minded on who I want to be interested in. Freedom is nice but not at the expense of treating women like shit.

Why not become friends with girls?

[cth96190]

MGTOW do not 'treat women like shit'.
We refuse to become the disposable economic support units of women.
Those strong independent women can do it for themselves.

[fueledbythc]

@cth96190 I guess girls just see this as the male equivalent to feminism but i completely disagree. You are just tired of giving out and being used by horrible women. It's just an individualistic view to save yourself from getting hurt.

[TiffyPuff]

So like, I'm pretty sure this is just an online hermit thing, cuz I never hear anyone talk about this IRL.

[alphadoggystyle]

of course you won't hear about it in real life. most guys who are mgtow still sleep with women, we just avoid relationships. But if we talked openly about mgtow around women, our chances of sleeping with them would be drastically lower. I thought this would be common sense.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

I hate it. The guys who join MGTOW are extremely closed-minded in my opinion, because they act as if they have no control over their relationships so they abandon them all together. It's a very self-disempowering philosophy.

[Mrwoo99]

What do you mean no control

[FýrdracaDócincel]

@Mrwoo99 the simplest way I can put it is that they run from relationships instead of doing what they need to do in order to grasp the reins.

[Mrwoo99]

Well men dont have legal control in relationships. Men will always risk false rape, alimony, child support, have kids taken away and half of his assets/resources/money taken from him. Until the laws of that change I'm not cohabiting with a woman.

[gobsmacked3]

MGTOW is the poster child of an individual with issues that they never take responsibility for.

Instead, they play the victim card

[GraveTruth]

i am probably the most pure Mgtow all of you have talked to. the thing is the term "mgtow" is an online thing.

Ask what you want but don't cry when I bust you some knowledge.

[Mrwoo99]

Mgtow friendly over here!

[Mrwoo99]

Mgtow has taken GAG by storm lol

[Anonymous]

So many betas in the response who think slandering a movement that has their better interest in heart to pander to women is the way to go.

[Cosytoasty]

I won't go MGTOW, I like the pleasure of women too much.

[ShayanMortazavi1998]

Never. MGTOW's are incredibly annoying and narcissistic.

[Mrwoo99]

Well it is all about SELF ownership ya know...

[RegularTK421]

They have free milk and cookies at their monthly gatherings.

[RedThread]

Nah if feels too much like quitting to me. It feels like abandoning unforeseen opportunities at any given time. That isn't how I live my life. I never surrender anything.

[Jigsaw_Gal]

It would be of help if I knew what MGTOW stood for. Since you didn't tell, I wouldn't know.

[coachTanthony]

Men going their own way

[Jigsaw_Gal]

@coachTanthony
Their own way where? Geez, you are so vague and expect people to know what you're talking about.

[coachTanthony]

You asked what it stood for? I told you.. I am not here to educate people on this lifestyle choice. Most people can google it in 10 secs.. i guess some can't.

[Jigsaw_Gal]

@coachTanthony
It's not my damn job to look up stuff. You shouldn't be too lazy and assumptive that everybody would know what it stands for. You're the asker. It is your job to leave no doubt about it what you're trying to present to the g@g community.

[coachTanthony]

LMAO I am now going MGTOW

[coachTanthony]

Did you just call me a name? That is against GAG community rules. And very hurtful of you. How could you?

[WhereIsMyMind]

Loll

[cth96190]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itssbnzkFf0

[AleDeEurope]

I would never go MGTOW.

[skeptic002]

NOOOOOOOOO never male version of feminism

my god wants us together not separated

[dogfish]

id never go mgtow i like women too much and they like me <3

[Mrwoo99]

Sure but besides sex... what is there? Whiny, mind gaming and drama.
Not to mention the financial, time and energy drain

[HeckYeah]

I think they're basement dwellers who only talk to their mothers

I was never one or never would be

[BuchitaBuchys]

I'm WGTOW. Because men are impossible tu please

[BuchitaBuchys]

It's more of a "it'll never happen so why bother having hopes to let me down" type of deal.

It's much easier to give up than to keep waiting for something that was never meant for me

[Waffles731]

oh, you seem like a good person, I'm sure you'll find someone

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Waffles731 Meh
I'm not

[coachTanthony]

WGTOW... sounds lovely LOL

[Mrwoo99]

Are you for real woman? There's no such things as wgtow because women need men to run this planet correctly and keep it stable while women are out spending other mens money

[Mrwoo99]

Men are the productive... women are the consumers. Women are born... men are made. If women weren't valued for her beauty, fertility and reproduction... she'd be plain useless.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Mrwoo99 yes because the men I dated, who I made more money than and I bought gifts, paid the dates etc, I was TOTALLY using for their money.

Take your misogyny elsewhere please

[Mrwoo99]

You chat shit, serves you right for investing in usually violent badboys, pretty boy players and tall jacked douchbags rather than the good caring guys. Female sexuality is a mental illness because they dont reward good men with sex. This is why the planet is ruled by currupt physcopaths because women bad people with sex. Female attraction is irrational and should be monitored as dangerous.

[Waffles731]

@Mrwoo99
Do you realize just how insane you sound?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Mrwoo99 your irrational and should be monitored as dangerous

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Waffles731 lol I know right

[Tiger288]

Good. The same thing for girls.

[Waffles731]

seriously, you'll find someone you seem awesome

[SinghSong]

Isn't that just the same thing as being a feminist?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@SinghSong no. And I'm in no mood to educate ignorant people

[SinghSong]

How is it different? And how are you not in the mood to 'educate ignorant people'? I thought that was literally all you did here on GaG, Buchita.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@SinghSong it's not the same and I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Y'all have the internet. Even if I did, you're all so close minded that you wouldn't listen. So I don't care if you guys remain ignorant.

[SinghSong]

We are human beings and individuals, just the same as you are. So if you want to be so close-minded as to say that "all you men are the same, you're all pig-ignorant dogs", then go ahead. I just hope for your sake that, with an attitude like that towards men, you're a lesbian. Because like you yourself admitted, you'll certainly find it impossible to please any man.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@SinghSong I never said all men are ignorant, just you and many on here.

I don't need to be lesbian, I'm wgtow

[Mrwoo99]

Men are not hard to please... maybe you're just too fat.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Mrwoo99 lol i wish

[disgustingweebtrash]

It's a possibility in the future i'd turn to this, but I highly doubt I will.

[Anonymous]

I think it's for men who are secretly gay.

[alphadoggystyle]

No, but you wish it was.

[Unit1]

You're insulting the gays!

[Opinion Owner]

@alphadoggystyle … Why would I wish that?

[alphadoggystyle]

because its human psychology, if a group of men do something which offends/hurts you, then you secretly wish that this group of men are people who you dont have to deal with anyway. People make up all kinds of things in their head to make themselves feel better. If mgtow guys where all gay, then that wouldn't affect your dating life. However since in reality majority if not all mgtow guys are straight, and also rapidly increasing in number, this means that it is going to affect your dating life negatively, unless you already managed to marry someone, regardless it will hurt and affect your fellow women as a whole.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not offended... I'm not even affected. In fact, I'd be more offended if they were gay, since that means they aren't even attracted to women, and women want to be desired.

I've never, not once, heard of MGTOW in real life, so as far as I'm concerned it's the smallest "threat" I have to deal with. In contrast, I see many men getting married. I, myself, am not married, but I've already had quite a few men interested in a serious relationship with me.

[alphadoggystyle]

its easy to say that, but considering your initial comment im very sure of that you are offended and affected by this movement. And if mgtow was only for gays the movement would have to be much smaller as the gay community is so small. But it doesn't even make sense since gay men would pretty much never marry or have sex with a woman in the first place.
Mgtow is very big but it is kept hidden for the main reason that most mgtow guys such as myself still sleep with women, and if we talked openly about mgtow it would be much harder to get laid.

[Opinion Owner]

Well, I don't remember ever asking you about your thoughts, or caring about them for that matter. Maybe so, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the movement was started by a secretly gay man. No, gay men wouldn't get married or have sex with women, but if they are secretly gay they would need a reason not to, and they probably want other men to do the same.

Where's the logic in that? Firstly, there's no point of having a movement that no one is aware of... Which could maybe explain why most women call men fuckboys, instead of being aware of why men only want to sleep with them. Secondly, you doing such a thing makes you no better than the women that screw you over. Besides all of that, I know more men that are in relationships than men that aren't, so the movement is clearly not that big. And if you can't stand fully behind a movement because you can't keep from wanting to get laid, then you probably aren't serious enough about it, which makes you useless to its cause.

[Mrwoo99]

I'm a mgtow and still sleep with women. I just rather sleep with whores instead.

[alphadoggystyle]

i don't care if you care about my thoughts or not, i don't care about you, you're just another anonymous idiot. however, when you put out an opinion online, expect to get responses, especially when you are posting nonsense.

And a gay man would be smart enough to realize that straight males who go mgtow still would not date men because their sexual orientation doesn't change. So no, mgtow was not started by a gay man and a gay man by definition has no reason to go mgtow. Sorry but you're simply wrong.

And no, the movement is not useless, as more and more men are avoiding marriage every day. And while each individual man might have his intentions hidden, the statistics show that the result of these actions are not hidden. So many women are complaining about man drought, and it will make society collapse in the long run because without men marrying and having children, society cannot sustain itself.

[alphadoggystyle]

And of course mgtow men are far superior to women, women didn't screw each of us over, but we have seen them do it to other men, just looking at the laws and how women are biologically inferior to us but still demand equality, it makes no sense to commit to them under these conditions. And sleeping with women does not diminish the movements cause, because as long as we don't marry women, and birthrates are going down, the final results of the movement will still happen. its inevitable. And by the way just because you know more men in relationships than not means nothing, i know more single men who only fuck around compared to those in relationships, and relationships is still not the same as marriage, most men today do not want to get married, and women are getting unhappier by every decade. Many men still cheat under a relationship, because when there is no marriage they don't have to worry about getting divorced.

[Mrwoo99]

@alphadoggystyle Germany is a good example because of legalised prostitution the birth rate is very low and men are doing fine without women. Once men have found an outlet to sex then women are really obsolete to a man's life really.

[alphadoggystyle]

@Mrwoo99 exactly. feminists know this which is why so many of them are desperately trying to keep prostitution illegal in most western countries.

[Mrwoo99]

Prostitution in Germany and Amsterdam places as such are proof that legalising it shouldn't be an issue. Over in the US and in most western countries i dont know why it's illegal. Women dont want men to have a sexual outlet and want us to put up with their bs like good little dogs and have sex handed to us like a Scoobie snack whenever we behave to what she wants from a man.

All I can say is even if prostitution doesn't become legalised, sex robots are still the horizon for man. China is already designing them for their own people and it's apparently making big business. Soon that will head to west eventually and feminists will something more to deal with rather than free the nipple movements because sex robots will be the day men hold all the cards in the sexual market.

Just imagine how realistic sex robots will become in next 20year. Dont believe me... watch the American television series 'Humans'.

[coachTanthony]

@Mrwoo99 Thanks to you all I think this post is going to live forever! LOL

[Mrwoo99]

No problem, It's a question that needs to be asked.

[Opinion Owner]

@alphadoggystyle So what if I get responses? I could easily not reply to you if I choose not to. Your sexual orientation doesn't even have to change, men are way more fluid in their orientation than they are willing to admit. If all women, for example, went extinct, many more men would start sleeping with each other.

Actually, it does matter. That's like a child crying about being bullied, while the parents think he/she is crying about a lost toy. The reason behind an action matters a lot, especially if you're looking for a certain outcome. "Without men marrying and having children, society cannot sustain itself" You do realize that marriage didn't even exist once, right? It's not even something natural, for it to qualify as a necessity for survival.

Biologically inferior? Is that what you call a person that has all the responsibilities of reproduction? The fact of the matter is, men would be utterly worthless if they didn't take on the responsibilities of survival, because...

[Opinion Owner]

... females do everything else to maintain the species.

It's proven that unhappiness is linked to intelligence... Maybe they're less happy because they have more knowledge of the world around them, instead of always staying at home and taking care of children. Besides that, everyone is unhappier nowadays, and it has mainly to do with technological advancement. So, don't talk about women's happiness as if you even give a damn, because it's very obvious that you don't. You're just trying to push your own pathetic agenda..

Mrwoo99 What's the problem with the birth rate being low? It's actually what people are hoping for, since we're overpopulated. What irks me is the average man's low standards, hypocrisy, and inability to keep it in his pants. Prostitution wouldn't even exist if men weren't such sex-crazed monsters, and guess what? Women wouldn't be able to use sex as a weapon against you either. I know, shocking! Isn't it? Even though, I doubt most do.

In regards to the sex...

[Opinion Owner]

... robots, enough men are still going to want to sleep with real women because the main goal, whether obvious to you or not, is the continuation of the species. Sex robots will just be a high improvement in masturbation techniques. Either way, women expecting more from men is actually a blessing in disguise for you guys, because the main reason most men even make something of themselves is due to women.

[alphadoggystyle]

Then dont complain when you get responses, in fact you should expect responses when you type nonsense in a public forum. And i dont care if you reply or not, as this discussion is basically over already, as you dont have any argument. You already lost.
The whole gay thing is nonsense, it makes no sense whatsoever for a gay man to go mgtow, as mgtow is a movement of straight men abandoning commitment to women. And gay men never wanted to commit to women in the first place, and vast majority of men won't change sexual orientation even when going mgtow. You also forget that women are not extinct. So mgtow men can still sleep with women without diminishing the movement at all, and there is also porn, prostitutes, and in the near future virtual reality porn and sex robots. No need for any straight male to "go gay"

[alphadoggystyle]

And no, it does not matter in this case, your analogy does not make any sense. mgtow is about avoiding commitment to women, because under the current laws it is a heavy risk for men to commit to women. Sleeping with women does not contradict that. Having sex is not commitment. the goal of mgtow is to make the current society collapse so a new one can emerge with different rules (with stronger patriarchy) , and it is inevitable because our modern society cannot be sustained without a large group of work able men for each next generation.
Of course we survived before marriage but those times where very primitive, CURRENT society with all of our luxuries such as roads, clean water, plenty of food and gadgets and massproduced technology and cars and fortified buildings. none of that can last without a large group of worker men. If the population dwindles it will collapse, this is also partly why so many young migrant men are allowed into western countries.

[alphadoggystyle]

And no, women are utterly worthless and biologically inferior compared to men. Women give birth and that is the only value she has. While men do 95% of everything else better than women. Both men and women are needed for procreation but everything else such as building tools and inventions, protecting us from dangers, its all done by men. The only reason humans made it as far as we did is because of men. the females of all mammals have the ability to give birth, but only the human male did something which was not expected based on biological instincts and functions, and invented civilization.
And dont tell me what to do, i do whatever i want, i didn't even say that i care about womens happiness, the fact is however that men are about as happy today as they where before but women have become significantly more unhappy in the last 5 decades, and it is mainly because of feminism. Women like special treatment but they are getting less and less of that from men.

[Opinion Owner]

Who the hell complained? Do you always make crap up to make yourself feel like you have an argument? Lost? lol You must have gotten one hell of a prize. Does the GAG team hand those out to the winners? This is really upsetting...

You keep telling yourself that what you're doing is for MGTOW everytime you get in between a girl's legs. I'm sure you'll eventually manage to convince yourself it's the truth.

Porn and robots aren't the same, prostitutes won't be used by a man that has any respect for people. Either way, you're basically in a gay movement, which is probably why you're so offended. Goodbye now.

[Opinion Owner]

... I didn't realize you had any more to say, either way you're wrong, so why bother?

Goodbye.

[alphadoggystyle]

You did complain when you said you didn't ask for my opinion/thoughts. Dont try to backtrack. You just look more stupid and pathetic with every post. I dont make up crap because the things i post are based on facts, unlike you who only post crap based on emotions.

[alphadoggystyle]

Im spreading mgtow redpill knowledge for young men on sites like this, making life more difficult for women as it will be more difficult for them to manipulate men for our resources, and since i am anonymous, it doesn't affect my ability to get laid which i do because it is an biological urge.
its also good for women to hear about redpill knowledge, because you truly cannot do anything to change this or stop mgtow, all we have to do is avoiding commitment. Women need us more than we need them, which is why it cannot be stopped. The only thing women can do is become more humble and let go of many of their benefits that feminism has given them at the cost of men, after those things are gone, men will be back again. And then the mgtow movement would have fulfilled its purpose. the only question is if the collapse will happen first or if women/feminists will accept a significant reform before that. Either way us men wins.

[Opinion Owner]

That wasn't a complaint, that was simply a fact. Now, go away. Men like you aren't worthy of anything, let alone my time.

[alphadoggystyle]

it was a complaint, and a stupid statement. when you are writing something in a public forum, you are inviting responses, thats how a forum works but you apparantly dont even understand that. And i dont care about your time or you, its not something someone needs to be worthy of. Im superior to you and my time is more valuable than yours, know your place women, under my shoes.

[Opinion Owner]

You're just lucky I can't stay away from arguments when the opponent is an idiot...

Guess what? A species main role is reproduction and survival, whether you're human or not. Women have to spend 9 month impregnated, a few other getting back from it, and many years taking care of the child, which is often (especially back then) more than one. They do all of that. Now, tell me, what do men have to offer for the continuation of the species? That's right, nothing else but survival. And, have you forgotten that women are humans too? Which means, we also have thumb opposition ability, we are basically almost as smart as men are. If it weren't for us being busy with reproduction and being kept down by men, we would've done way more than we already have. You're so beyond delusional that you can't even see that, and then you call me the emotional one... lolol

Just the fact that you talk to people that way is enough to convince me that I'm better than you.

[alphadoggystyle]

In that case this makes no sense as Im not an idiot but you are in fact an idiot. So i guess you just cannot stop responding when you know you are wrong and someone corrects you.

And you talk as if women having babies is something we should be thankful for, you dont understand how nature works, women where designed to have babies, and you cannot do it on your own, you need to get impregnated by a man, and to survive during pregnancy you need men to protect and provide for you. So the whole reproduction thing is moot, it cancels out with men and women being equally necessary for reproduction. But men are also needed for everything else. Its not me who is delusional, its you who are, you are wrong and i am correct. I am vastly superior to you and nothing you say can ever change that fact. Men did not keep women down, biology kept you down and if men treated women the same as we treat other men humanity would not have survived. But you are too emotional to realize that.

[Opinion Owner]

"... You need men to protect and provide for you."

No, that very clearly goes into survival, not reproduction. The only thing you give towards reproduction is your sperm, which takes like two seconds to give, so it doesn't even really count as giving anything up. Besides, if you give sperm, then it still evens out since women actually do more than just reproduce. But, I'm referring to main roles here...

[alphadoggystyle]

nope, because if a man leaves you after you got pregnant the child would not survive, especially in a society before we had tax expenditure and health care, and child support etc.

If women expect to survive those 9 months during pregnancy she needs to be protected and provided for, she would be to weak and slow to defend and provide for herself. So anything a man does during that period to ensure the survival of the child is also for reproduction, not just survival, so essentially what the man does is more impressive compared to what the woman does.

[Opinion Owner]

I repeat, I'm referring to main roles. Since, it's clear that women also take steps to ensure survival...

[alphadoggystyle]

the most laughable strawman i have ever heard. Overall, main role or not, men do more to ensure the survival of the species (which obviously includes reproduction), than women do.

[Opinion Owner]

Men's main role in reproduction is giving their sperm, that's it really. Spin the definition of the word all you want, but it doesn't change the facts. Women have to spend 9 months pregnant, a few years breast feeding, and then... basically raising it (survival). Not to mention, they have to do this multiple times, since many people have more than one child.
Men better do something with all the time they have in their hands besides sleep around...

[alphadoggystyle]

sorry but you are still wrong and the only one here spinning things are you. You are not stating any facts at all, the things i have been saying is fact. Men contribute more overall to reproduction as well as the survival of the species. Because if men didn't provide and protect women during their pregnancy, as well as at all other times, then barely any children would have survived, and most would probably be stillborn if the mother didn't get enough food during pregnancy. So again men are contributing more. The only main difference now compared to back in the stone age, is that instead of hoping you would get help and resources directly from the man who fathered your children, women now also have the state along with the laws which supports them with reproductive rights which men lack.

[Opinion Owner]

lol I sincerely hope not all MGTOW men are as illogical and biased as you are.

If so, I change my original post to it's for men who are stupid.

[alphadoggystyle]

Its you who are illogical and biased. Everything i said here was logical and based on fact, wheter i am biased or not doesn't change anything because the facts are out there for anyone to see, its just that biased stupid people like you refuse to see it because you would rather be in denial than admitting that you where in fact wrong.
So no, mgtow is for smart straight men. its smarter for a man to be mgtow compared to a man who wants to get married because of reasons i have already explained.

[MisterSir]

am not and would never go mgtow

[ASEXY]

Not me. That movement has nothing to do with me.

[JudgmentDay]

Same here bro, same here. I believe in if relationships or marriage isn't for you then don't bother. Same for children and having kids. There's really no need to hate, blame, belittle the opposite gender frequently or constantly, geez. If they want to vent their frustrations with the opposite gender I can understand, but being like that 24/7 all year round constantly, c'mon...

[Truthatanycost]

@JudgmentDay Yes but that's easy for us to say. I'm not sure I'd be so calm if I had my children taken from me, was imprisoned, falsely accused, was the victim of paternity fraud or discovered my children weren't mind. It is very easy for those of us that haven't suffered to dismiss their anger. No one is forcing us to listen to their 24/7 rants either.

[rgb008]

I can't because I'm not a man.

[LoveHorses]

Not me, I think guys in MGTOW are plain stupid

[Mrwoo99]

Why?

[LoveHorses]

@Mrwoo99 I think they are guys who lack a social life and maybe blame women for all of their problems. Seriously, have they talk to women in their life?

[Imhotep99]

Four girls have gone MGTOW! Smh

[Tiger288]

Yes I am cuz girls are worthless fake lover

[Dred1614returns]

I'm normal, so I'll never be a part of that.