I don't really think you do. You can opt out and focus on yourself and if most guys facing the same problem do a similar thing then in a few years maybe attitudes can change. Just generally having high expectations i. e seeking women that aren't hypergamous -- will keep you on that path and if one out there does happen to come along then maybe you can give her a chance.
I'm in a weird spot where I still of course want a relationship as I always have, however my experiences make me feel as though it's not a realistic thing to want, like it's not something I could ever trust to be sincere from someone at this point. I'm not interested in going to brothel nor hookups with strangers -- maybe friends if the chance presents. But really I think I can only focus on what I've got going on and on the things I can actually trust to make me happy e. g friends, hobbies.
There's a way to beat this so called "hypergamy". It's called finding a real woman. Not a little girl whos in it for the money, not a hoe whos in it for the body.
A real woman who is in it for you.
It’s called being attractive? Instead of just being so ugly that you need money to get a woman.
I'm ugly so, I'm doomed
Why are you men acting like men don’t get with women because of money and status as well?
Aren't women attractive to looks money and status?
Plus you said a guy has to be attractive
I'm physically unattractive
True and, I know a woman would be unfaithful with me because I'm ugly and she could do better
She would be out of my league and cheat with a guy who's attractive
What woman would be in my league? I'm a 2/10 and women can make themselves more attractive with makeup, I can't without plastic surgery
@LonelyIntrovert sorry to tell you but unless a woman completely caked up her face with makeup she won’t look that different. There are unattractive women everywhere
There are few women that are as ugly as, I am
"Why are you men acting like men don’t get with women because of money and status as well? "
We don't..
Do I detect a case of projection?
That was rhetorical question.
Yes I do.
@Fydraca yea a lot of you do and it’s very ignorant of you to act like that is not the case. Men aren’t all simply focused on looks, like you.
So because I'm currently kicking your sorry ass in this discussion by calling you out.. that means I'm ignorant and I only go after looks?
Typical wannabe-victim tactics. Try again!
@Fydra you aren’t kicking shit you just look like a twat who thinks he knows all men and all women. Now you can stfu and go look up Jeremy Meeks. Dumbass.
Anyways there are lots of rich women that are unattractive that have tons of guys trying to go after them. Prick.
There are no women in my league, look at my face
@LonelyIntovert There is nothing wrong with your face and I am sorry to point it out for you but go for those Arabian Guys beard and spikes
www.google.com/search
Imagine if your son is one of the ugly ones, lol.
"Just kill yourself, Sweetie!"
Don’t go for hypergamous women
It sounds like it makes sense at first, but it's not like the carry membership cards or badges to identify them.
They don’t need to. High maintenance women are pretty easy to identify by their clothing and makeup.
So avoid women in expensive clothing and makeup? Is that enough to properly steer clear of hypergamy?
That’s a start, but it probably isn’t a foolproof method. There’s other indicators, but some require actually talking to the girl and getting to know her a little bit. It’s just red flags you have to recognize and steer clear of, same with any other unwanted trait in a potential partner.
Aren't also ruling out women that expect you to have a career, a degree, be ambitious, have leadership traits and so on?
Not necessarily
Well those are generally the traits hypergamous women will look for and that sounds like it describes a lot of women.
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In small ways, there ARE ways for a younger (and presumably poorer) man to win against money hypergamy. One example is improving your physical shape, which really isn't all that dependent upon income. Another one I have read is what is called The Motorcycle Example:
"Motorcycle Salvation"
"Assume you religiously follow all of the (money saving) rules. You never buy new, you find a car that if it gets dinged or stolen you don't care, you only use it for transportation, and never as a means to score chicks or make a statement about yourself. Chances are you are going to end up with a small, fuel efficient compact, with a little body damage, and nothing that is going to turn heads, let alone be fun to drive.
How fun is that?
While you may be smart enough never to compete in the status market, that doesn't mean you don't want a nice car for yourself. Additionally, addressing the previously-discussed genetic desire men have for speed and performance, how is your Ford Fiesta going
to put the fire in your soul as you bury the needle at 43 MPH?
Simple. It won't.
But a motorcycle will.
Motorcycles are the salvation of all young men. Like beer and video games, they are a gift from God and he wants you to ride them. Their importance to a man's life cannot be overstated. First, they are cheaper than cars in terms of cost, maintenance, and insurance.
Second, they are much more fuel efficient (and manly) than hybrids. Third, they are easier to store and park making them ideal for city living. Fourth, they are easier to work on than cars. And, of course, fifth, they are fast. If there is a vehicle that is going to meet your need for speed, motorcycles are it. But their biggest advantage is one that most men are unaware of.
You can now go toe to toe with that older investment banker
in the status market.
Understand that while you cannot financially compete against truly rich men who can afford a Mercedes S-Class, you can compete with
them on a motorcycle. Matter of fact, you are in a league above them. You are the bad boy. The underdog. And if there's something women viscerally want more than a polished little Ambercrombie and Fitch boy from the suburbs with his sales job and his Audi, it Is the rough and tumble biker, with his leather motorcycle jacket, his "I don't give a fuck" attitude, and that fast and powerful two-wheeled machine beneath him.
Chicks dig motorcycles.
Because of these benefits, it is my humble opinion that the single
best bit of advice in this entire book is to: GET A MOTORCYCLE!
And not just get one, but learn to ride it as soon as possible.
Knowing what I know now I would have deployed this tactic in high
school and competed against the varsity football captain. I would
have competed against the frat boys during college. The allure of a
motorcycle is so strong for women, you can use it as a crutch when
you are younger and have no game. Of course, your mother is
going to complain loudly when she finds out her 16 year old son
wants to get his motorcycle license, and perhaps you may have to
wait until you're 18 and out of the house, but that doesn't change
the fact a motorcycle makes pursuing the ladies an infinitely easier
task, and consequently makes your life infinitely easier.
Obviously, don't be a dumbass. Wear a helmet, wear other protective gear, take the mototcycle safety courses, pay attention and ride defensively, never speed (the sheer act of riding behind you will thrill the girl enough), ride only in decent weather, and don't make your mother and dad worry.
I think that a lot of guys misunderstand hypergamy.
Women in general are not gonna be attracted to a guy who is less intelligent, less confident, make less money etc. than them. That's all it is.
If it were really as hopeless as you're making it out to be, nobody but billionaires would ever be able to have stable relationships. That's clearly not the case.
Some women will trade up if they find a guy who is "better" than the guy they're with in these areas - most won't. If anything, richer guys are more at risk of this since they're more likely to attract gold-diggers, who are the kinds of women who will date a man purely for his money. The guys who obsess over this are usually guys who women only date for their money too, usually because they lack any other attractive qualities.
Most women don't date a man purely for his money, status, looks etc. Women aren't as logical as men - they're more emotional, so a lot of the things that attract them appeal to them on an emotional level, not a logical one. Obsessing over looks, money, status etc. is logical thinking. A little autistic.
In order to win against hypergamy you have to develop yourself in other areas to become more attractive that way, then choose your woman wisely.
Despite what seems to be the surface interpretation, people aren't that bad. Hypergamous girls are hypergamous for subconscious reasons. They don't really have a clue of what it is that's happens in their thick skulls. They get tempted by the ideals of vanity and luxery then they rationalise all their thoughts to justify it. You see this with girls that deliberately sabatoge their own relationships. They act crazy as to provoke their undesirable man into justifying her release through an outburst of his own. Or you see this with the cuckholdery fetish, where the aim is to completely destroy her boyfriends ability to function through deceptively portraying self deprecating acts, acts like feminization that are meant to put people into compromising and self destructive positions, thereby allowing herself to excuse herself from the mess she created. The often don't do this because it's evil, although it appears that eway, its that they dont have any idea of a conceptuality of right and wrong. Their idea of right vs wrong boils down to dont get caught. But once they come to realise what kind of damage and wickedness it is they are doing, like anyone else, there innate moral bounderies kick in and stop them.
So lies. Lies are bad. people need to point out BS where they see it.
By stoping stereotyping, majority of women do not leave their boyfriend for a richer one (at least not where I live). Women who do that are usually born rich so they want to remain rich or women who have mother who tell her to marry a rich man.
Couldn’t’ve said it better myself
@saucegoddess Thanks ^-^
I don't think most women would break up with their boyfriend just because another guy is rich (although I think the number that would is higher than most people are comfortable admitting).
However, even if YOU don't, this system is still a problem for individual men (shock). Think of all the women out there who quit dating because they met a huge dickhead, or all the rich dick-heads with a wife, a mistress and a baby momma. Even if it's just one guy out of a hundred who has two partners (and I would think it is higher than that), that means two percent of women are spoken for by one percent of men, meaning another one percent of men will NEVER get a match.
And a man having multiple life-time partners is more common than you imagine. Take, for instance, my dad. He has had the same side-chick since middle school, he knocked up two women, one of whom became busy being a single mother and never dated or married, the other killed themselves because he wouldn't take care of their baby. Then he knocked up my mom who didn't remarry until she was 50 (for money) and now he has a twenty-seven year old girlfriend. He has FIVE life-long partners, because he's an "alpha male", even though he's an objectively terrible human. That's NOT your fault. That's not my fault. But since he has five partners, that means there are four other men who have none, and we will suffer for it. We're not blaming all women, but hypergamy exists and it is a problem for a decent proportion of men. Just like unrealistic body-standards are a problem for a decent proportion of women.
@Tilin29 that's still rich to me.
For you I think it's the culture. Eastern European woman have the reputation to love money never anything else so I guess it's in their culture to do that.
In my country it's the reverse, in my culture during hundred of years its men who chose to marry the rich woman to get money and it still happen. I have a friend who got all her money stolen by her boyfriend (and after she never hear of him ever again).
I also know tons of women who have to pay for everything cause the man do nothing (and my uncle is a couch potato while his wife work super hard to get money for living. yesterday he bought a porsche with his wife money and he doesn't even take care of the child...-).
I can find you hundred of example like that that men are the one that do hypergamy and are gold digger so it's not because you know 1 woman that is a gold digger that all women are gold digger.
@SpearsAndStones There's more women in the world than men. To what I heard there's 70 % of women and 30 % of men. So even if a man has 2 partner, there's still enough women for the others men.
There's also more women that suffer from not having a date / boyfriend than men. (At least that's like that in my country, there's more single women than men).
@alice55 I don't know where the fuck you heard that 70% of the world's population is women, but that's not true. For every hundred female babies conceived, 120 male babies are; however, males are much more likely to miscarry. So for every hundred females born, 106 males are. In the wild, males are more likely to die, because we have weaker immune systems, but with modern medicine this isn't such a problem. Throw in the fact that India and China (i. e. the two largest countries in the world) have huge problems with female infanticide (i. e. the murder of girl babies) and there are actually more men in the world. Men are still more likely to die at all stages of life, and live shorter lives, so older women close some of the gap, because a lot of men don't live to be older, but it's about 50/50, with slightly more men and slightly older women on average.
I actually checked it myself. Last year there were
364115 male babies born
347749 females in france.
More male babies die than female babies before the age of 3.
There's more females than males only over tha age of 55, the time when males start to die much faster than females.
Though before that age the average ratio is 1.05 males:females
This is generally true. Statistically, women's hypergamy increases exponentially with wealth/income.
Where do you live, I can check this for you right now. I will put forward the claim that there is no place on Earth where the gender ratio is naturally 30/70. Which means what you said about the men who have two partners really DOES effect everyone lol. Like what?
dont fall for gold diggers. Most women just want a good honest caring guy. If a guy falls victim to hypergamy, its of his own doing.
You find women who follow their head, not their instincts.
99% of people are barely functional primates, so good luck.
You beat it by making certain that any girl you get with is truly INTO you.. and then by keeping that initial spark alive for as long as possible.
"Practically nothing stops women from just getting a new and richer boyfriend" Yes, something does. Lack of options. Give a below-average-looking girl a chance
I'm too ugly for that
A lot of girls care about money, but they likely wouldn't leave just because another guy has more. Girls generally care a lot about the strong connection they have with their guy.
I don't think most women trade up for money out side of a very few sociopathic individuals. Most people once they grow attached to someone want to stay with them unless something is going wrong.
Never settle. Keep your options open. Treat every realtionship as temporary. In other words you can't really win. All you can do is have a plan B.
I have heard many women say they would never leave their man and guess what, they all did.
Hypergamy more than just based on money, it's based on a man's overall status and defining charisma.
You could more easily say that Hypergamy is women chasing Alpha-ness and being an alpha does not require being rich.
That is how you prevent being a victim of Hypergamy, you up your own alpha-ness.
Actually hypergamy is more so based on social STATUS, not money.. Money of course, does a lot to help increase status but the actual goal for females is status chasing.
You work really hard on yourself and become a desirable man.
Ok first of all stop thinking that the rich guy will want just any female or that women call the shots in relationships
Look literally any girl wants a rich guy, but that doesn’t mean that the rich guy will want her. What girls don’t understand is that when a man is highly valuable to women he’s going to fuck and dump every girl that comes his way, not marry her lol
Its true that women (and in fact men too) search for their best option, real question must be what is the best option for that woman? And with it, I mean, what does it have value for her?
You go somewhere your value is higher. Just because your mate value is low in your current market, doesn't mean it's gonna be low in every market. Unless you seriously suck.
You look for someone who is interested in building something together rather than a predatory person.
If a particular woman is hypergamous, you're out of luck with her.
It is not rocker science. You just ignore the 15% or so of women who are gold diggers.
Girls in your age cum just by a guy lookinfg at them. It's not a money thing. You either take care of yourelf and don't be always available with your time and Let them chase you or attempt celibacy before they ruin with their disloyalty
be your happy self they will confide and reside lol money is what? lol
be tall and good looking thats it :)
I don’t need anyone for money I make my own money.
@_Anonymous (25-29) the good spirit! :)
By being the best a man can be. 😁
Go the opposite direction.
Be pure and chaste.
Don't flash money or expensive things.
Get better taste in women.
xx
~ Mrs Manson
What do we do about hyperbole?
You don't
Get rich.
Nice picture lol
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