Why do men like such small women?

[Silverlight33]

I'm a 5'5 woman and i've been rejected several times for not being small enough. Majority of these men were much taller than me. Even the tall guys are with women much smaller than me. All the guys that are usually averagish and tall I never see them with a woman above 5'2. What gives? They even said that average and tall women aren't feminine enough either and state short women are the most feminine which would exclude women 5'3+. Are averagish and tall women not attractive enough?

[BoobMan]

Here's the thing: there's nothing wrong with average to tall girls. Some of them are INSANELY hot. BUT, as guys we don't really care THAT much about a girl's height. What matters most to the most guys is what her body shape looks like. You girls on the other hand seem to REALLY value having a guy that's at least as tall as you or taller. So for an average to tall girl, that's going to leave a LOT fewer guys in your potential dating pool than a short/petite girl will have in her pool. Meanwhile those tall guys aren't particularly focused on you just because you're average to tall--they're checking out the girls with the best body shapes at pretty much all heights. So you end up in a nasty situation where there are not many guys who meet your dating criteria and those guys have LOTS of girls who meet their criteria and so you have this problem.

Incidentally, this is the exact same dynamic at play as in this question: Why is it harder for successful women to find a good long term partner?

Note the similarity of my response there.

[BoobMan]

Thanks for most helpful!

[AshrafWest]

I’m gonna speak from my own point of view, but I don’t think they’re rejecting you because of your height. Honestly, me and all the men I know couldn’t care less about a girls height as long as she is shorter than me (or them).


Maybe they are just using it as an excuse to cover up the real reason. Do you think there might be another reason?


Maybe one guys really is insecure about his masculinity and needs an extremely short girl, but that would be an outlier and really unique case. Most guys simply don’t care.

[kaylaS91]

As a girl who’s 5’10”, I can’t say that I can relate to your experiences.


I’ve had a love/hate relationship with my height for as long as I can remember, starting in elementary even. I’ve never experienced rejection or anything negative because of my being taller than most girls (and guys, before they all hit their growth spurt). I’ve never even heard guys say anything negative about it, either. Sure, I’ve heard the classic ‘men will find it emasculating to be shorter or smaller than their gf’ but the irony is that I’ve only ever heard that from other girls.

[siseñor]

yess 5'10 gang < 3

[devilman666]

Would either of you be willing to date a 5'5 man? Just hypothetically.

[siseñor]

aye stfu with your condescending ass. hypothetically, more like theoretically, tonto. yes.

[TomGarand]

Well, a plus to your height is that you're physically stronger than a short girl with the same build. You're gonna punch and kick harder, and you're probably gonna be faster and tougher too. Just something for you to think about.

And also, not all tall women get the short end of the stick. Some, like my friend's little sister, get attention from guys.

[devilman666]

Not being condescending, just being honest because I feel like a lot of women want men to become woke, but then when men bring up anything about gender we get told to stfu. Like how almost every woman expects her man to earn more money than she does because of traditional roles, but if a man has any desire for a traditional woman at all then he is labelled an incel bigot who wants all women to be forced back into traditional roles. Either give men the freedom to talk aboit their desires too, or else be prepared to give up your dating preferences in the name of woketivism.

Hypothetical, theoretical would be relatong to a system of ideas intended to explain something.

[devilman666]

Hypothetical, theoretical would be relatong to a system of ideas intended to explain something.

[devilman666]

Sry pasted wrong thing

[siseñor]

oops i mixed them up

[siseñor]

seriously tho stop, i don't think any of those things. most women understand that it goes both ways, and what you're saying is kind of hurtful. there are a number of women who would be housewives etc. without a problem because that's what they choose to do and what you choose to date. i'm not going to call you an incel but your views present women as selfish and uncaring about men and their problems, which is their typical behaviour boss. I don't have those dating preferences, much like a lot of other girls, and don't say we're tryna be 'woke'. talk if u wanna talk boss im tryna listen, but u still saying stfu i think ur a stereotypical hoe who only in it if her mans is good looking & makes her money while she sits on her ass & only thinks about herself. we're much more complex than that believe it or not, please come up with more logical points.

[devilman666]

Oh, I don't want a housewife by the way, I just said that as an example. I'm not an incel but go ahead and call me whatever you want, again I was just making a point about how women sometimes oppress honest dialogue when it doesn't go their way. Many women are selfish and uncaring about men, welcome to reality, men and women are both human, and the vast majority of humans seem to be selfish and uncaring about the other genders problems.

What are my views on women by the way? Since you're an expert on me, please explain.

What's wrong with the term woke? Seems rather accurate in my opinion.

So what dating preferences do you have then?

Sorry, I guess that was pretty assumptive and rude of me, I just find it a lot more common to meet girls who will lie about their standards/preferences than it is to meet girls who genuinely doesn't care about height, weight, build type, masculinity, jaw line, hair line, or any other outwardly attractive feature.

I get that not all women are the same, trust me, I do. My desire is for a sexually submissive woman who I can have co-dependent relationship with. The sexually submissive part isn't necessary but kinda preferred just because I find it hot when a woman wants me and gives herself to me. I have a bit of an ego and a bit of possessiveness, but also far too much anxiety to be able to take care of both myself and my partner. I'd need someone I can depend on without making myself appear less attractive, unfortantely most women hate it when men open up. They say over and over they want you to open up, but then when you do they either brush you off or get mad. It's empty woke words trying to sound empathetic/sympathetic because she doesn't expect to be called out on her bluff. It's like the girl who does the old alligator arms on a date, says she'll pay but really she's testing you. Don't even try to tell me it doesn't happen, I've had women admit to it.

[siseñor]

not being sarcastic, im sincerely sorry from the bottom of my heart. i'm really sorry.

[kaylaS91]

@devilman666
My fiancé is shorter than me. Idunno his height exactly but I’m 5’10” and he’s probably coming to just above my chin if we’re both standing straight. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[flamiE]

Never in my life have I heard such thing lol I’m 5’5 too and I get told I’m not tall enough all the time😂😂😂 Also get roasted that my feet don’t touch the ground when I sit down.. all types of things but I was never referred to as “not small enough”.


Those men must’ve been extra i mean that’s barely 3 inches above whats considered “petite” and they have the audacity to tell you you’re not small enough? 😂😂😂 that’s like women who say they won’t date a man below 6’ and if he happens to be 5’11 they’re not interested.. madness 😂

[Silverlight33]

Trust me, I have no idea what men think. A lot of tall guys and guys a few inches taller than me have said that "i'm too tall to be cute" like wtf? Do I have to be like 4'5 in order to be seen as cute and shit. This isn't just me either. there's a lot of girls taller than me that this shit happens to its so weird.

[flamiE]

It’s very weird indeed lol I guess I have to be happy for not getting this then 😅 I’m serious when I say quite a few guys called me tiny and I’m average height and am not skinny so I guess guys just see us differently lol

[Silverlight33]

I think when guys think of "small" women they don't think of it in relation to themselves. They compare it to the general population of women. At 5'5 i'm taller than 60 - 70% of women. I can understand the bullshit that women that are taller than me like 5'7+ go through cause they aren't small either and its like guys are shitting on their heights by saying they aren't "small and cute" nonsense. Fucking douchebags

[flamiE]

Yeah I don’t think they think of it in relation to themselves either, at least most times. But I wouldn’t say being 5’5 makes you taller than 60-70% of women, if that was the case under 5’5 would’ve been the average? And honestly most women are taller than me lol so I don’t know but we agree on them being douchebags lool

[Silverlight33]

Its around there, look at the bell curve for height. The average height if 5'4. Women that are 5'4 are taller than 50% of women. I'm a little bit more than that at like 60ish percent. I come across a lot of women shorter than 5'4.

[flamiE]

Okay this is crazy. I’ve looked it up and it turns out the average where I am (the UK) is 5’3 😂😂😂😂 that’s even worse. But they also say men prefer women that are 5’6 😅

[Silverlight33]

I live in the USA, a lot of guys even tall guys go for women under like 5'4 because they're "cuter"

[flamiE]

This is ridiculous you need to come to the UK 😂 how is height related to cuteness 😂😂😂 men...

[caring__1]

For every type of person, there are people who appreciate that type. It's interesting you say you've been rejected several times. I'm sure if you'd ask guys how many times they've been rejected, it would be significantly more than several. Chances are, it's something other than height that's getting in your way. 5'5" is not tall. Ask people who know you well to help you see how you may be coming across that might be less than ideal to potential partners. Don't get fixated on one thing (blaming it for everything) when it might be something else or a combination of other things.

[proNutro]

I completely get you. I guess because they think it looks more “feminine”? Which is rubbish to me🤷🏼‍♀️
Being 5’7 I’ve gotten rejected quite a few times being told, and I quote, “we’re not compatible, you’re too talk for me”
Though I have dated two guys about two or three inches taller than me and they were fine with it but still preferred smaller girls.
I’d 100% date a guy my height or shorter or taller as long as they have no problem with the height difference. So draining dating someone when they make it known they prefer something different from you.


Not sure why something we can’t control is a dealbreaker for so many people.

[razelove]

Well, it makes you feel like a big manly man if you don't have much else in your life to make you feel that way. If a woman is short enough, she may be tighter and more shallow as well, though really I've just found that to vary from person to person more so than picking based on height.

Personally I like taller women, it makes pretty much all positioning easier, and in the like 2 cases of women being taller than me it was such a novelty to lean up for a kiss, or be able to have sex in the shower without all kinds of contortions that could lead to injury or death for a novelty fuck.

[AdithyaR]

I've never really understood either side of it, why guys like short girls and girls like short guys. I can understand women choosing y'all men to certain extents cause of the brains evolutionary instinct to choose a mate for the best genetics.

But beyond that it's mostly cause society attributed height to masculinity, making I necessary that men must be tall and women short. So women end up choosing tall guys to feel feminine and guys choosing short girls to feel masculine.

Absolute stupidy, all of it, in my opinion. I've never found height to be a criteria. I've liked girls who were shorter than me and I've liked girls who were taller than me and their height never came to my mind.

[bamesjond0069]

I mean yeah. I've only dated short girls. I've hooked up with some taller girls but it just doesn't give me an uncontrollable desire that i feel with short girls.

Short girls are better for sex too. Throw them around and pick them up positions and stuff way easier.

Also tall girls scare me because if a short girl gets chunky in the future she still will be smaller overall than me. If a girl say 2 inches shorter than me gets chunky someday she could be larger than me and that would completely disgust me. Thats not just a turn off but imagining sex with a larger woman makes me want to puke.

At the end of the day i have really found some taller girls hot but only very thin ones or athletic ones because they are still tiny. But i do fear them becoming large someday so i do always prefer short short girls.

Last few girls i dated were 5'0" 5'1" 4'8" 5'3" 4'11" none weighed more than 110lbs.

[KyceG]

Nah I like all kind of women. I want date another short girl for the simple fact that holding hands, and a lot of other things are awkward. If a girl is too short you can’t have shower sex, doggy style is even kind of weird unless she can really properly arch. I’m not going to lie though It’s not necessarily the height for me but a skinny petite woman is really fun to me and probably my over all preference it’s just depends, because they can easily be picked up, thrown around, in bed you can bend them how you want and break them.

[thatguy9388]

So you only find this act fun for women under 5'3?

[KyceG]

@thatguy9388 nah. They can be 6’2 or taller than me I’m 6’1. I like a woman with a fat ass, but I feel like a rather have a skinny girl no matter the height with a decent ass. It depends though honestly.

[thatguy9388]

there's a difference between skinny and petite. Skinny applies to every height of a person. Petite refers to women that are considered to be small in their respective countries, in the USA the average is 5'4 so therefore a petite women would mostly be in the range of under 5'3. Most women say they're petite but they're not. They are just skinny

[Ally247]

Same reason women like tall men. Small= femininity, fragility, submission, therefore guys want smaller girls. They're seen as cute, delicate and petite. Tall= masculine, domineering, strength etc. Girls feel smaller and more 'feminine' with taller men, and men feel more 'masculine' with smaller women. What's to blame? The patriarchy.

[Silverlight33]

This doesn't even make sense! How am I not small to guys!

[Ally247]

Those guys are idiots

[SunnyJp]

Girl same, I swear. I’m 5’10 and every guy reject me because I have big hands, feet and for my height.
I gave up on dating. All the men have the same reaction.
My girlfriends are all petite and small and when I go out with them I look like a mother with her kids (actually a guy told me this).


I was born like that and I love my height. People tend to be scared when they see me and this is an advantage when I travel alone.

[nevernevernever]

i would honestly love to be tall for that exact reason. I'd trade male interest for safety any day

[devilman666]

To be fair, would you date a man who was 5'5? 5'10 is average male height, so would you date a man of average female height?

[TomGarand]

@sunnyjp What's funny is, my friend's little sister is 5'10 and a half, and she actually gets attention from guys. But her old relationships always failed--not because she was BARELY taller than you--but because she's naturally dominant.

She always has to wear the pants in her relationships, and her old boyfriends' egos would NOT allow them to follow her lead. I actually find her height and dominance attractive, and she likes me for those reasons. My friend's sister gets a passive, smol (I'm 5'6) man to lead!

It also helps that she's physically strong and knows how to fight.

[SunnyJp]

@devilman666 Honestly, I like a guy who’s shorter (5’3- 5’4) than me but I don’t have the guts to ask him out to a date due to I’ve heard his preference are shorter women than him.

[SunnyJp]

@TomGarand That’s interesting. Probably I should be more confident. I’m not that confident in socializing with other people. Maybe one of the reasons this girls attracts guys because she gives positive and confidence vibes.

[modelUN242]

I heard that short women can be bitches and have a complex. Since they're "feminine" they could get away with stuff I guess. I'm around 5'4" but I kind of wished I was taller lol. Those men who rejected you could have had other reasons because the "not small enough" is a shitty reason, unless you're heavy.

[MissDawn7961]

I am 5 ^ 1 tall and have dated men from 5 ^ 3 to 6 ^ 4 tall but prefer men who R 5 ^ 3 - 5 ^ 7 tall ! my mom was 4 ^ 9 tall and married my dad who was 5 ^ 7 tall ! they had 6 children of which I am the youngest of and my sisters R 4 ^ 11 tall and my brothers R 5 ^ 7 tall like my dad ! however , height should not matter when it comes down to it for love is all that really matters ! thanks

[QuestionMark19]

We're that used to getting rejected by taller Women, that we don't even bother approaching. So we go for smaller Women.

I'm 5'9, and prefer to go for girls who are 5' - 5,'4 max.

What I will say is this:, in my opinion, Men who are tall. As in 6'4 and up going for 5'1, 5'2 women?
Worrying behaviour.
... we all know what I mean by that, as well. In comparison, she's literally the same size as a kid compared to him.

[TomGarand]

Really? Because my friend's younger sister is 4 and a half inches taller than me, and she finds me hella attractive. She's also physically stronger than me.

[thatguy9388]

Why that range?

[Silverlight33]

So someone if my height wouldn't be of an interest to you? Why that range in particular?

[QuestionMark19]

@Silverlight33. I would date girls the same height as me, it's just that I've gotten used to getting rejected. So the odds are more in my court if I go for that range. 5'2 or 5'3 is great

[Silverlight33]

Lol that's not really true. I know several women in that range that go for tall guys

[QuestionMark19]

@Silverlight33.

Exactly, we're at a disadvantage, either way. We know we're always fighting a harder fight than a taller man, but we have to make the best out of a bad situation of course.

[TadCurious]

I can't relate to this at all. Women are attractive of all heights. It's mind boggling to me that any guy would specifically reject a girl because she's 5' 5" (or any height). But here's the important thing: You wouldn't want to be with a guy who is that shallow anyway.

[flamiE]

Exactly, she dodged a bullet

[TeeBar]

Weird: I've never heard of anything like this, even in the Far East where tiny females are common.
It sounds as though you are trying to convolute the opinion of one single guy (perhaps a recent boyfriend) into a Universal Truth. Your thesis is completely off base.

[Silverlight33]

These were multiple men. I've talked to about 100 men that I didn't actually manage to go on a date with, but they've told me this. I didn't want to proceed any further with them because its a turn off and I wouldn't feel appreciated, but this is a very common thing in the USA. In Europe for instance, there's men there that don't even want women that are shorter than like 5'7 sometimes.

[CubsterShura]

Where I live it is short women who struggle to find a husband... short as in 4'11" and below. I have this extremely gorgeous cousin and when we try to find a match for her... the guys become really interested when they see her picture then they ask about her height and we never hear from them again. Gimme some of your height :p

Where do you live? 5'5" shouldn't be too tall for most men until you live in a country with short men.

[thimmslicc]

Men are intimidated by taller women. Even stronger women with bulking muscles.
I dont think they rejected you for only the height, but did you go looking for only taller men as well?
I've met some men that like short girls and some that like taller girls. But just never taller or bigger than the guy is. It's an ego thing for everyone not just guys.

[devilman666]

Not all mem

[devilman666]

Men*

[KyceG]

Nah I’m 6’1 I used to talk to a 6’2 volleyball player that traveled the world. Tall women don’t discourage me that’s just more of a reason for me to wanna fold them long sexy legs back. Some men are like that but they are probably really short.

[thimmslicc]

True. Short guys don't want tall girls. Tall girls want a taller man.

[watrewks]

I never was overtly attracted to smaller girls but now I’m really starting to like them😳


I love being able to wrap myself completely around them. But I can do that with a 5’5” girl too. I don't know why I like them so much now, but I do plan on dating more if I get the chance :)

[TomGarand]

Well, for me personally, average height to tall women are more attractive than shorties. They're physically stronger than short women who have the same builds as them.

A lot of men like short women because it makes them feel more masculine, protective, and dominant. But I'm not one of those men. Being short isn't a deal-breaker, so long as you have some physical strength. I like a woman who can lift something heavy or punch hard.

[JSmuve]

When you say that the majority of guys that rejected you are much taller than you, does that mean you're also only attracted to a specific height (e. g. 6'+)? If that's the case, then you can't get butthurt over being rejected for height if you're similarly discerning over height.

[Anonymous]

Hmmm smaller dicks? Lol

Ok but honestly just different preferences. I've dated a man who is 6'5 and he doesn't date anyone shorter than 5'8. I was his shortest girlfriend. He usually dated 6ft and taller. 🤷🏽‍♀️.

I've had another Ex who was 6'4 and I was his tallest girlfriend at 5'8. And he usually dates around 5'3.

So I don't know... Personally I think women look better taller 🤷🏽‍♀️... Different strokes for different folks. No harm no foul.

[Dweezil]

Exactly.

[Opinion Owner]

🙌🏽

[Vetis]

Tall women do look better but the power dynamic is more in favor of the male when the female is shorter/uglier

[devilman666]

Would you date a 5'5 man or do you just expect men to give up their norms/preferences?

[TomGarand]

"Personally I think women look better taller"

You're also physically stronger than short girls. Unless they work out and you don't.

[Opinion Owner]

@Vetis I mean shakira is cute for a shorty 🤷🏽‍♀️

[Opinion Owner]

@devilman666 why are we talking about standards like it's a bad thing? You have them, I have them, and everyone does.

You don't know my standards because you never asked me and don't know me... To answer your question I would date a 5'5 man. I actually wanted to but I wasn't his type. Fair enough 🤷🏽‍♀️ he looked shorter girls than him... That's fine. Other short men don't mind a taller woman

[Opinion Owner]

@TomGarand im weak as fuck... My tiny grandma use to dominate me at arm wrestling. Lol. Sad. But I should work out some muscles

[Opinion Owner]

*He liked
*Dominant

[Opinion Owner]

Ugh forget my errors

[Anonymous]

Makes them feel bigger? Better? I’m Average about 5’5 and some men only like petite women like 5’1 or shorter

[Silverlight33]

How though? there's so many tall guys that have this strange preference for women that are like under 5'4 when they're still significantly taller than average and tall women. I dont know, its weird because a lot of tall men that I come across are with women that are a lot shorter than me.