I've been told multiple times by men my own age. That I am useless for having children and that financial stability cooking, cleaning doesn't matter to them only if a woman's age and looks. Not sure I've been called a Karen by guys my own age. Can't they realized that hey she's a good wife material. No they go straight all about young age. I will be 30 and I look better then I ever did back when I was 21.
30+ year old men aren't "ageists." It's simply a biological fact that women lose their agility to produce healthy children in their mid to late 30s and the majority of straight men want to have children someday. It's also a biological fact that most women age quicker and look older sooner than men do (especially white and pale-skinned women). And it's also mostly factual that straight women tend to want men who earn more money and are more successful in life, and that doesn't usually happen until their 30s or 40s.
So women's age to produce healthy children's, women's youthful looks and beauty peaking at age 23, and men being more desirable their more successful and wealthy they are, are not "ageism," but simply facts.
And a fourth thing... Many women in their early 30s, still act immature and bratty as f*ck, when their looks are already on the decline, as well as their social market value. (Not me saying this; just society at large.) When you're a 30 year old woman still dicking around town on the C*ck Carosuel, and then whining about "not being able to find quality men," that's just pathetic. Regardless of what gender says it, that is pathetic.
As for you, I'm confused... Are you 21 or 29? Did you lie about your GAG age by nine years?
No this site it's crazy.
@mcheetah that's not always true. My mom met my dad at 38 and he was 33 or 34 and she had me healthy the same year naturally too, no medical procedures, absolutely nothing, all natural and im healthy still today at almost 24:) i dont wanna have kids that late but people need to calm down in my opinion because women can really still have a healthy non geriatric pregnancy till 35 then it's risky after. BUT gee late 20s to early 30s is still YOUNG and idc if people will think im old if i decide to have a baby at 28-29 even at 30 i literally dont give a two shits. Not everyone finds that person right away and not everyone is ready right away so young either. Thats why so many people are divorcing. Age pressuring isn't cool at all or nice. Life doesn't stop at 25 or 30 for anyone and it's not a race.
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Yeah, but society tells women they can "do no wrong" and it's okay to be a whore nowadays and that men should want women with triple-digit body counts anyway, and that men should wait for women to "get serious" in their early to mid 30s, and that "women are worth the wait to simp to" and all that other jazz. Too bad reality doesn't reflect what social media and TikToks from stupid women think.
I'm not even the typical type of guy and just want genuine romance and a connection with the right woman, but I'm still not the type of simp to just accept some slutty woman as soon as she "gets serious" at age 32 and only NOW "wants to settle down." I did find my "one" at age 26, but she passed away ten years ago, and I haven't found another marriage-worthy woman since.
But, yeah, the streets can keep the late 20s slutty woman. We don't want her.
@Paulalove98
I didn't tell anyone to rush love, did I? I merely stated facts. Men have a longer time to find someone but are usually screwed over in their 20s. Many women go through their "experimental phase" in their 20s, but as you sad yourself, they have until 35 to have kids, usually. And that's not even taking into account that most men don't want to be with old women. You can't tell me I'm "pressuring" women to rush into love, and then tell men they have to accept women 35 and older, even though most don't find them attractive (MOST men, not all).
Women don't even have a problem finding marriage material guys. The problem is, they're either slutty and don't want to settle down into they're in their 30s, which at that point, most men don't want to have anything to do with them due to their loss in looks and baby-making ability (aka, "hitting The Wall"). OR, their standards are so insanely high, that the type of man they want either doesn't exist, or is way too good for these women, who offer virtually nothing to such a super high-value man.
Considering women are, and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, the gatekeepers of sex and love, you have no one to blame by yourself if you haven't found the right one yet by your 30s. Women have probably rejected dozens of quality, marriage material men by then, for being too short, not wealthy enough, not good enough in bed, etc.
It's a completely different game than what men have to go through, where we have to show our value to women to even get noticed and aren't seen as desirable merely for existing, like women are. Most men don't get to that "valuable" phase, until their mid to late 30s.
@Paulalove98 Maybe because your mom wasn't a Christian and she was whoring around then she because a desperate cougar dating younger men.
Mcheetah I am going to agree with you about woman screwing around in their 20s and later at age 30 want seriously marriage. Yeah that's why religion is very important when it comes to courtship.
1. Your profile says you are 21, yet you claim thats not the case. First order of business, be honest.
2. 30 year olds typically look just like they did at 20.
3. Birth defects in eggs start to rise at around 30, but you can just have a doctor select the healthy ones for fertializing with your husband's sperm, so it doesn't matter.
4. Most men don't even want kids.
5. financial stability and maid work are not on the dating material checklist for most people, mental compatibility and looks are.
Maybe because they don't want to attend church.
My mom didn't do any medical procedures she was able to conceive me naturally at almost 40 when she was 39 and my dad was younger than her, he was 33 or 34 at the time. I dont want kids that late. For me its late 20s to early 30s but GEE why do people make that sound old? 27-32 is still young for a baby. Cmon PEOPLE😒
@alwayreckles93 Huh? wth does religion have to do with any of that?
@Paulalove98 Thats because women still produce plenty of eggs at those ages, the medical intervention is only if they are wanting to avoid the risk of the egg getting fertalized being one of the defective eggs (which can still make a baby, it just might end up with birth defects).
@Paulalove98 Because people are so closed minded. They want to people how. to live your live. If that's what you want I say do what is best for you not what people say.
Religious people are the most closed minded though, so that analogy falls short.
Closed minded means they are unwilling to accept new information, even if proven, if it contradicts their beliefs. It does not mean a person who has preferences they stick to.
Also, I personally fall under the "I don't want kids" catagory, and the "staying young looking while old" catagory, so for some of that I was speaking for others who make their opinion known. I would date a 25-45 year old, provided she was mostly my brain in a female body, and attractive to me.
Why would you want a 25 year old so that you can easily control her? I'm sorry but huge age gap never work.
1. 10 years up or down is the max age gap I will put up with to get a mental match, because I know the odds of one being my exact age is extremely tiny. I'd prefer someone who is 35, but that will probably never happen.
Most women my age don't even play video games, let alone hard ones, and thats just one thing off a huge list of traits i'm looking for, all of which are far more common 5-10 years younger than me, and far rarer 5-10 years older, but I said 25-45, because if either or anywhere inbetween matched me perfectly, I'd not say no.
2. Most of the parents to my friends have age gaps that big, my own parents had a 15 year age gap (which is too big a gap for me).
3. Being 25 doesn't make a person retarded, and I have zero interested in controlling anyone, or sub/dom relationships in general. I basically want a female version of me, someone who agrees with me on everything, likes all the same things, hates all the same things.
Why would anyone need to control a person who already agrees with them? Thats just dumb. Also people control people that they don't like, why the fuck would anyone date a person they don't like?
it also has nothing to do with them being younger, but rather being part of the generation with lots of people that grew up with my hobbies, so if in 10 years, i'm still single, it would be 35-55, not 25-45.
10 years it is a huge age gap. Playing video games I mean seriously 😒😳 what are you 19 ? How about read the Bible maybe you will learn something good or read a book. Yeah a version of yourself because a 25 year old woman isn't mature enough to handel life and woman your own age will not date you because they know that you are immature a woman your age owns a house and established career making good money and they know how to cook or clean. Yeah I bet your parents had a sad marriage that's a huge huge age gap! That marriage of. yiur parents was a whole circus because of their age gap your parents did a horrible job at raising how about teaching you how to build a business instead of wasting time in vidoe games. FYI 25 year old woman are useless house wife they can't cook or clean much less own a house or making a good income. I see.
You're very immature. And thats why you can't a guy who wants you.
1. No, it's not, 10 years or less of a gap is fine at my age.
2. Most gamers on modern systems are 25 to 40, its an adult hobby, get over it
3. Religion is for idiots, not mature, intelligent people, so I'll pass on the bible, etc,
4. I'm in the process of starting my own enterprise, a womans finances are moot to me.
5. You don't understand what mature even is.
6. My parents had a 15 year gap, not a 10 year one, so any points for or against it are moot, as I've already made it clear thats too much of a gap for me, it there was no circus over it, it was commonplace in that era, moreso than today.
7. I can cook, clean, earn income, and otherwise run my home just fine, I'm not some immature child who needs a surrogate mommy for a wife, and I don't ever want kids, so I don't need her to be mom for them either.
8. I wasn't useless at 25, so that automatically puts holes in your claim.
9. I'm not going to move into a woman's house, I'm building my own.
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And there was no circus*
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Well why are your parents 15 years age gap?
25 year old woman are a bunch of Karen's!
Because back then people chose partners based on love, not utility or convenience.
15 year age gap look at your parents now divorce!
All 21 year old guys want to date me.
They think I am 19.
Actually they never divorced.
Really? Why? That's is a huge age gap.
How come your parents never took you to church or at least teach you about God. A 15 year age gap yeah that's what happens when a marriage is arrenaged.
You have to be married to get divorced, my family isn't wedding obsessed or hyper religious. Only reason I want marriage is to get a prenup, otherwise i'd be fine with just staying boyfriend/girlfriend forever with a woman who I loved.
You do realize that is a huge sin against God! I'm sorry but your parents will be in hell. Having kids out of wedlock. It's not your fault that you are so into vidoe games. Your parents fault for not teaching you values and morals. Crazy life no Christian live a total disaster.
I learned plenty about religions, and the science that debunks them. God is fictional. It's a childish myth used to control gullible people. like santa, the Easter bunny, or leprochauns.
You wouldn't want me in a church lol.
Sorry, I'm not interested in your cultist nonsense. If I want to read a fictional book, I'm picking something better than the bible.
Also your profile says you are divorced, which is also a sin according to christianity rules, have fun dreading your imaginary hell I guess lol.
I'll stick to reality thanks.
My ex husband left me for a much younger woman. I am actually 29 not 21.
You will go to hell when you die. Your just like my ex husband he decided he noonger believe in God and blame his own problem to the Church.
Also, video games are the best form of entertainment, morals come from intelligent logic and empathy, not religion, and now I'm convinced the reason you are single and divorced is because you're insane.
Oh I'm insane because people like you are possessed by demons. Yeah I see why a woman your age don't want to date you.
There actually isn't a hell, or heaven, or souls, but I respect your freedom of choice to be an idiot, and my freedom to not care.
I'm divorce because my ex left me for a much younger woman! Wtf those a 30 year old men see in a 20 year old huge age gap. And he scream at Chruch and made a whole scene when I arranged an exorcism on him.
lmfao demons, what are you? a toddler? xD
Lmfao you did what? I'd leave too over my wife being that stupid 😂
Me a toddler says the one with a dinosaur profile picture what are you 5 ? You are way to old for dinosaurs. Your parents are a huge bad example! I see why you turn out the way you did because they never bother to teach you about christ. Vidoe games I am against it I see why no woman your age will want to date you.
You do realize that dinosaurs are actually real right? And that multiple scientific professions exist around the study of extinct species?
What am I saying 🤦🏻 Of course you don't.
Also lots of women want to date me, I just don't want any of the ones who have said so.
Not all are ageist, it’s that the ones who are are more vocal about it than the ones who aren’t, which makes it easier to believe. From a biological standpoint, fertility does decline at 30 (this is coming from someone who’s childless at 38), but you’re still young enough to have a kid now. It gets tricky when you get to my age. With that being said, you can find love at any age. One of my friends got married last year, aged 39 to a man who is 35, so there’s still hope for you. As for the men who say you’re too old, just leave them be. They’re not options anyway so it’s not a loss to you. Just keep putting yourself out there and be open to the guys who do want to date you. Hope this helps.
That's very sweet of you to say that I ma still young.
I will be 30 and most guys my age say that I'm old.
@silvermoon84 my mom was 38 when she had me and met my dad and he was 34.
@Paulalove98 aww, thank you for sharing that 😊. I know it’s still possible at 38 (I know a few women who were 40 when they had their first kid), it just gets harder
Silvermoon84 Why is it harder? I mean at 40 you make good income to provide a good. lif eto your child. You own a paid off house your debt free. My aunt just had a baby girl and she's 45 lives in a nice mansion makes a good income to provide
Yes I’m aware that there more older mothers. I know it’s not impossible, and if a woman aged 40+ has a healthy baby, that’s awesome! That said fertility does decline for us after 30. At 35, it declines at a more accelerated rate. I’m not being mean by saying that, but it does get harder the older a woman gets. To answer your question, our biology makes it harder for us to conceive at an older age (and again, it’s not impossible, just harder).
Not all are just some can be jerks... the whole age pressuring thing is so real tho. Ill be 24 in 2 weeks and feel it on a deep level but im just taking it day by day. I on the other hand don't date men that are 30 and up. I prefer guys 18-28. Either a little older or younger cause that's my preference.
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What the hell kind of men do you hang around with?
Also, if you're about to be 30, why does your profile say 21?
I'm personally not attracted to women who are less than 25... this is because I've associated those early 20s with how naive and immature I was at that age. I've been attracted to older women (as old as 40), women my own age, and younger. My rule is a 5-year gap, but I have made exceptions.
Still, it's worth knowing that men generally prefer younger women, and women generally prefer older men. Younger women means they're more likely to have children, older men meaning they're likely to be taller, wiser, and providers. A lot of men are turned off by single mothers, because [1] it's a red flag... and [2] we generally prefer to raise our own biological children and pass on our genes.
Listen I been trying for guys to convert to Christianity which means no curse words no smoking no drinking alcohol. Maybe I am looking in the wrong.
Multiple studies showcase that a woman's dating value peaks in her early twenties. A mans dating value drastically increases around 30. In a mans early twenties, his value is very low. Men are 'useless' around this age. This is because what a woman seeks out in a man is entirely different than what a man seeks out in a woman. A man seeks beauty, fertility, and purity. A woman seeks a provider, leader, and a man of wisdom. Women are at their prime to fulfill all of those attributes when they are younger. Men are at their prime to fulfill all of those attributes when they are older. Women don't realize how easy they have it in their early 20s. You had your time, don't get mad at men because they're now experiencing their time to shine. You're merely experiencing what it feels like to be a younger man. It's kind of shitty isn't it? That's life.
"I've been told multiple times by men my own age. That I am useless for having children and that financial stability cooking, cleaning doesn't matter to them only if a woman's age and looks"
I hope I read this correctly... Who ever told you that needs to be smacked in the face with a shovel. What you have is what many men my age want to have. You're adulting more than they are which in turn makes you more mature. Its hard to find a 30 year old who doesn't take life for granted.
If a man is looking to have children then fertility levels will be his priority, so they will look for a younger woman. At the age of 30 it's a scientific fact that a woman is less fertile. But the mans sperm has also degraded by that age too giving rise to the potential of more genetic defects. But ultimately the science is used as a way to attack, and to put down, rather than to present the best conditions for having children.
That can't always be the case. My mom met my dad at age 38 and her age didn't stop him from falling in love with her and having me at almost 40 (not that i wanna have children that late) but I'm giving an example.
@Paulalove98 Yes there are exceptions. But there is no denying that it's not what's best for any child due to higher risks on both sides.
Your worth is not determined by your age, or with other shallow "preferences" people make. I know many women in their 30's who just started their dating life and were successful with it. Even women in their 40's, 50's had met a lifetime partner. Do not listen to them, because the right man will find you.
That is very sweet of you to say.
I had more male attention at age 40 than ever before in my life … it really started to ramp up when I was about 38
You look much younger then 40. I would have thought you were 28 ,29. Younger guys ever flirted with you?
They invited you for drinks or ask you out on a date? Lol Girl you rock !
Age is important. Not very important. I don't mind if a woman is within 10 years of my age, but I won't go any older or younger than 10 years of my age. Minus children, I would choose you over most 21 year old girls.
You know who loves you most.
Either my parents, my girlfriend, or my dog. Hard to tell which. I don't think my dog or girlfriend would be able to function much without me. My parents can, but they dated for 7 years before getting married and were married the same number of years before having me. While my girlfriend lived for 32 years without me, she's happier than her parents ever recall, and from 5 months old onward, my dog assoicates me with bed, food, and walk. I also pet her, but so do my parents.
Well guys have about 2 million years of evolution that point us to characteristics that indicate female fertility. That hard wiring is not over-ridden by logical analysis no matter how logical that would be.
We experience that Phoar hard wiring every day just walking down the street.
You’re fighting against biologically driven preferences. These guys might not be thoughtful about how they express their preferences, but their attraction to younger women, especially ones who do not already have children, is different from ageism. This works both ways. If, for example, you don’t want a 20 year old or 45 year old man, it doesn’t make you an ageist. You have deep-seated reasons for preferring the age range you prefer.
You need to stop listening to idiots. You could meet a man tomorrow who's right for you, have a child or two by the time you're 33, and be a perfectly situated parent in terms of life experience versus a kid who gets pregnant at 18. Stop taking advice from jerk off guys.
I will get myself in Christian dating as a Christian myself I realized that people my generation don't want to go to church. They don't want to read the Bible. I look young for my age. I believe in courtship for the porpuse of marriage I really don't understand now a days young generation.
You'll have to forgive me for being a bit skeptical, but I have a very hard time believing that,
"I've been told multiple times by men my own age. That I am useless for having children and that financial stability cooking, cleaning doesn't matter to them only if a woman's age and looks."
We go straight about age and looks because those are the only things you literally have to offer. Literally. There is no such thing a wife material and there is nothing a man gets out of marriage today. Marriage and relationships serve only the interests of women.
Everyone is and will always be "ageist", this is because age is an important factor regarding intelligence. Your prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed until 25, so making any decisions that affect your entire life or others' life is dubious before this age.
It's because men and women acquire value differently. Women have depreciating value as they age, while men attain more value as they mature and become better established.
Same reason women have thier deal breakers height, income, attractiveness, etc. Don't want to be passed on by guys simply don't get knocked up. Don't form relationships with bad charachter guys and have thie babies and you won't run into this problem.
You do have a good point.
I don't know where the hell you find these bums
That'sy fault for trying to convert guys to Christianity.
Wow I'm impressed you are a smart guy.
Okay Sorry
It's okay you have free will. Sure we can chat.
They aren't all agist, but I know what you mean. Technically, if it's true you don't have any wrinkles yet, you should still be perfect baby-making material.
You still have a good chance I mean you are still young. I stay healthy I drink a lot of water I don't drink alcohol , I don't smoke. I actually look young for my age.
Im 33 myself I feom my point of view there is nothing wrong with your age. I rather date a mature woman that is in her 30's then a inmature girl who is in her 20's
It says that you 21, women's looks and fertility tend to fall fast after 30, and men care about that.
Because it is true to a large extent. Women's relationship value peaks mid twenties and falls from 30s onwards. Sure you may find hookups after. That's it.
You need to date some different men. Not all men feel this way.
If you keep dating men who tell you this, there is only one constant.
a better question is Why do women think they have no competition when it comes to dating
every woman who can cook and cleans thinks she is the perfect wife YOU ARE NOT!
YES! BEAUTIFUL 30 YEAR OLD WOMAN WR ROCK ! GET THAT INSIDE YOUR HUGE HEAD! WE COOK FRESH HOME COOKED MEALS. IF you want younger Woman have fun eating McDonald's later don't complain you have health issues dumb ass. FYI PEOPLE ALWAYS TELL ME THEY THINK I AM 19 !
I’m not taking anything away from you but you women never ask yourselves what men would want
Cooking doesn’t make you special tons of young women can do that especially in women in other countries I know women who are only 17 that would put grandmothers to shame in the kitchen
But ma’am you are 30 years old with a kid do you ever think about this why would a man pick a woman with another man’s kid over a younger woman with no kids who can have his children? also you are 30 it doesn’t matter what you look like you are in geriatric territory time waits for no one ma’am you don’t gain value as you age if women like you are having trouble getting a serious relationship then you need to lower your standards
women like you are upset because you can’t face the reality that your best years were wasted the type of men they could’ve had at 21 and childless are unobtainable at 30 with a kid
Jesus Christ you are ageists we'll have fun eating McDonald's and living in a pics die because younger women never clean their house!
I can cook and clean for myself and by the way McDonald’s is disgusting I’d rather tongue kiss a prostitute before I’d kiss a girl who eats McDonald’s
Lord JESUS'CHRIST have mercy in your soul! That's a huge sin the prostitute will have her special place in hell and so are you. You are possessed by demons what you need is an exorcism!
That was just an analogy but your sin isn’t any better than mine the blood of Christ covers us all we just need to accept him his "Come back to me and really mean it! Come fasting and weeping, sorry for your sins!" “Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. . ”
Oh please I die today I go straight to heaven I read my Bible go to church every Sunday I make donations. You just talk horrible about me and you know that is a sin. You judged me basically and one of the 10 commandments I shall not judge.
It’s not my place to judge but he also commanded that we not lie and the truth often hurts What I said wasn’t the problem what I said was the truth but you are calling it horrible because of how it made you feel
Me and a prostitute can go to heaven also “ his mercy endures forever” God is a merciful God
We do not take God for granted. It is our job to do best in our choices and please God.
Of course, God is not mocked we reap what we sow while we were sinners he still loved us and provided an escape from sin , Christ
Which 30-year-old men? Maybe you should meet nicer men.
People nowadays don't date the same age people. It's honestly disgusting.
Well your lucky because 30 year olds want woman your age which I don't understand why I mean woman your age don't own a house or have good paying careers.
I'm not lucky, I'm disgusted.
I'd never date an older guy. It's like dating your father! Why would I do that? ROFL
Lol so you are 30 but claims to be 21 on here
just say it you hate being 30, which is understandable
As they say once women hit 30 its over.
Oh 30 and called a Karen? Yeah I'd run far from you. I wouldn't seriously date anyone over 22. Just makes no sense. Nor would I date a Karen of any age.
cause young women are ageist as well. they prefer older men.
Older men? What do you mean old men? That's is weird!
no it's not. younger women like older men, older men like younger women. it's mutual and not at all one sided like your question made it sound. how many women do you know who are crazy about younger men? that's a tiny minority.
i mean you "can" find that weird... your opinion. but it has been like that pretty much since humans existed and is also the same in all most primates. so it's not even a "human society" thing.
I mean no offense but they are right. We don't want to raise someone else's kids Hell I don't even want kids of my own.
The biggest ageist moron on this site is 20 years old.
Moron wow yeah and your a coward for not showing your self.
I really doubt many men have actually told you that.
Isn't attributing a quality, that being ageism, to 30 year old men ageism as well as sexism?
What the hell are you talking about? Not my fault you men don't want to go to Christianity church you men don't want to read the Bible and your life takes over by vidoe games.
I think you're jumping to conclusions and berating me because you think I'm the type of guy you made the post about, but that isn't the case.
I don't view women at age 30 or older as suboptimal simply due to their age, and I certainly don't hold the belief that after 30 women can't be attractive, far from it, actually. I'm just pointing out that making a blanket statement about men aged 30 is, technically, ageism.
It's not any different than when the men you're referring to make a blanket statement about women age 30, like you mentioned in your post.
I got into an argument with Fuentes because he is a 30 year old that rejected me ! Tell me how is that not being ageist? Fuentes a racist user on this site!
I don't know probably knuckle draggers, me I'd love a woman over 30 because I don't want kids
It is not all men. Only this jerk.
Don’t listen to those people
They are silly
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