What is the most annoying thing about whole dating game for you?

[Anonymous]

[TheSpaceGnome]

That most women think it needs to be difficult.

People should just be more open about what kind of person they are, whether or not they are single, and what they want in a partner and lifestyle.

The need to avoid embarrassment is ruining dating, making it near impossible to find a match. Most women won't even fill out bios on their dating profiles, and offline they expect men to both approach, and leave them alone, AT THE SAME TIME (good luck figuring out which one you are personally with any given woman, because she sure won't ever tell you until it's too late).

Add to that, that some women are gold diggers and think that their company alone deserves a paycheck. (news flash ladies, if you think that little of your guy, you aren't worth anything)

Some of those women even try to make a profession out of gold digging and make the absurd claim that they deserve money just for temporarily being seen or fucked (and on top of that, their job is to cheat on you!). The ego on these women far outweighs their actual value as people by a mile.

It's all insane.

[Lookingforthetruth]

have you ever heard women use the phrase "if you can't afford her then leave her".

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Lookingforthetruth No, but I've seen gold digger women have that sentiment.

Women need to stop acting like children.

[7barbieringz]

All men do is complain that girls don't want them, but they don't actually add anything of value in most cases

They either want a housewife or a sex slave, they want u to be a virgin but somehow also be amazing at sex, they don't want PAY for a date (dating is an investment if u can't pay then don't ask girls out), they will insult women who have standards basically demanding that the standard be lowered for them instead of trying to do better and meet said standard, they all cheat. Most men are trash tbh they have no honor anymore.

Now women should definitely be able to pay their own way if necessary, but paying for a date is supposed to be an example of how a man can take care of his future family. If a guy is whining because he had to pay $70 for a date then how do u expect him to provide for a family?

This is why I say women don't need men in 2022. They don't want to do the things that actually make them worthy of dating. They just want u to lower your standards and deal with their mistreatment so that only they can benefit. Dating in 2022 doesn't benefit women in anyway

Go cry on a hill

[cryscrys1]

✅👏👏👏

[12Volt]

@cryscrys1
I can't believe you applauded that.

[Luke03]

this is a huge generalization based on someone’s experience. I could say similar things regarding lots (not ALL, differently than you) of girls.

[_piotr]

Why women do not want to invest? Show, how you can take care of your future family (husband and children). You just want to falsely justify why women should not PAY. Sorry, men are not your slaves. Men also don't need to bend knees before you in 2022 and 2023! I prefer to be alone for my whole life than have such unfair girl. Marry a bank or something if you love money that much...

[7barbieringz]

Nobody said men were slaves. Where did I say that? Way to put words in my mouth, you invalidated your whole point

[Louis-1]

I don't think that's a very fair generalisation, ok here is the thing, it's the oxytocin, the guys that want you to be great at sex probably had a lot of sex, the guys that want a virgin probably are both, all I would say I want is someone that has not gotten so used to oxytocin that she can not bond over intimacy anymore, we just don't want to measure up to a lot of other men when we are with you I guess

[cryscrys1]

I applaud because she is being honest. The one who is going to be with her is going to accept her thoughts… and her wishes etc. no need to worry this much. It’s between her and someone else who’s not you anyways.

[RangerBlue22]

This is a huge stereotype. Most men are more complex then this.

For example I was once dated a younger girl a few years ago who never even said “thank you” when I paid for all her dates in the beginning. I broke it off quickly not because not because I couldn’t afford it but just fact she took me for granted. She was also a pain in the ass when it came to sex. Never initiated. Often saying “who I’m tired or not in the mood”. However if she believes that it’s okay to charge men like she’s a whore than it should come as no surprise that she would be treated like one.

However that’s not how I intended it from the get go. But when she didn’t even look at the bill when the waiter came along I took note of that crap.

There are still plenty of women in “modern” culture who think it’s okay to freeload with no gratitude. They shouldn’t be surprised when they don’t get any respect.

[TheSpaceGnome]

You aren't worth paying for.
What value are you adding that makes you not trash?
How can you take care of your future family if can't pay for the guy on a date?

Do you see the problem yet? Women need to stop having double standards.

Grow up.

[Little_Bumblebee]

Luckily, I'm not in the dating game right now, cause it sounds like a sick world to be in. (I am single, just not looking).

But from what I hear.

People who lie about their social status - ie, people who are in a relationship and pretend they're single.

People who date, while fucking others, with the excuse of "but we're not exclusive yet"

Those that lie about what they want and are searching for.

Then there's date rape, abusers, and worse than that.

Those who expect sex from you right off the bat.

Ghosters, or people who pretend they're something they're not, so you fall in love with the fake them.

A lot of these things can be summed up as, dishonesty and disrespect for the other person.

[TheNameIsRob]

I don’t really date a whole lot because I work too much, but when I do I notice how gun shy some women can be and I blame men for that. I was set up with a woman once and when I met her one of the first things she said was “I’m not going to sleep with you tonight.” I kinda felt bad for her because I got the impression that each and every guy she had gone on a date with was angling for sex the whole time.

What I told her is that I am as horny if not more than other guys but I don’t meet a woman with sex as my number one priority. In fact it’s not numbers two or three either. It could be I wouldn’t even want to have sex with her depending on how things went.

I don’t hide the fact that I highly value great sex in a relationship, but I don’t have expectations as to when it will happen. And by the way, that woman invited me over to her place that night and more often than not it’s the woman that ends up initiating. I walked her to her door and went home in case you were wondering

[Aerissa_Jade]

Men who pretend to want a committed relationship but all they really want is sex... because of them, I have to treat every man as if they are that way because there is so many that way.

They should simply be honest and say that is all they want, and if that isn't what she wants move on, there are women like that, go find one of them... rather than, lie and cheat.

[BJP21]

This is one of the reasons I let the girl make the first move when it comes to sex.

[Haha456]

@BJP21

i've never heard of a guy like you. vast majority of these guys expect sex by the second or third date

[Fuentes]

One question I wanna know is why women who got a body count think dudes should do everything when it was easier for other dudes before lol

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Fuentes I bet you state that you just want sex and go from there, rather than pretend you want some long term committed relationship. I see you as one of the more honest guys in that respect.

[Fuentes]

Yes I do say it from the gate lol if not they get blocked hahhaha

[Louis-1]

you have a point but maybe give a guy that isn't top 20% most attractive a chance, I also think dating apps (which are generally just regarded as sex apps) have only made it worse but that's neither here nor there,

[RangerBlue22]

@Aerissa_Jade

“ there are women like that, go find one of them... “

Ah maybe there are women out there like that. But they are not as common as you conveniently assume. Also you also don’t know what it’s like being a man and having to deal with creep shaming.

Anyway most women still have a “slut complex” despite the so called modern world we live in. Even if she really is okay with hooking up and/or friends with benefits she still has to lie to herself that there was a good reason for it (maybe the guy really wants to date) vs. just having him verbally point out the obvious.

In my experience flat out asking only works if the woman already is very attracted to the guy (and makes no effort to hide it) and/or she wants to get “revenge sex” because she’s pissed off at someone else.

But most women get turned off (at best), creeped out and even insulted if the guy says he just wants sex. If it were really that simple more guys would straight up ask. Trust me. But many women would take that as sexual harassment if they are only borderline attracted to the guy or less. Only a man is an 8 and up in her eyes could get away with saying that (and he better be smooth and charming)

Bottom line is that women have literally taught men to keep their mouths about flat out saying they just want to get laid. It’s a bigger risk than you will ever realize for us to flat out say that.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@RangerBlue22 Most women would rather be flat out asked, than led on and lied to, and manipulated into sex.

Men say women will try to remove consent after the fact, but what if consent was given on the condition of a long term relationship then later on they found out he was lying and simply wanted sex and was never committed to her anyways.

That means that consent technically never was given to some people, because it was based on a lie. This could be why sometimes women try to say that they were raped, because consent was not given based on what they were told. They'll never get a conviction that way, but I'd hate to be the man who manipulates someone, taking that risk, that it could ruin them even if they don't get charged with anything.

Don't lie and or manipulate if they don't want to risk it.

Much like how consent is given if he uses a condom but if he takes it off then consent is no longer given.

I personally prefer to be asked straight out, it has happened a lot (even with some guys here on GAG) and while I say not interested, it doesn't bother me.

No one is ever going to get charged with a crime for simply asking a question. Unless they have been told no before and harass someone endlessly about it, in an attempt to get them to say yes so they'll stop asking.

So what if women get creeped out because of that question, it doesn't matter. Move on and try again if that is all a man wants. Odds are he could ask a 100 random women and get at least a few be like yeah lets do it.

My main point being though, is I have to treat every man out there as if he is going to lie to me, manipulate me just to get sex. If I do not, I get taken advantage of. Men have trained women to be that way. Then they complain that we don't trust him, that he is the nice one (unlike the previous nice ones who were liars.)

Once you get outside of the US though, men are more likely to simply ask if I am interested in a polite manner.

[RangerBlue22]

@Aerissa_Jade. You really have zero idea what the dating lives are really like for most men. Women in general are almost always at an advantage here when all else is equal. They can pick and choose. Men on the other hand are usually expected to stick their necks out.

That’s not to say I condone lying. I don’t. In fact I was never a “liar” and I never even tried to bs because I am not that good at it. However I will stick to certain positive upbeat subjects and avoid boring/depressive ones when trying to court a woman.

Reason being a women make romantic decisions based on their emotions. An ideal man has far less leeway to be flat out honest about his drawbacks in the beginning vs. a woman (when all else equal). First impressions matter a lot here. Her feelings will completely dictate if she wants to proceed and the man literally has to be salesman and on his best behavior. That doesn’t mean he should be a liar but he does have to show himself in the most positive and confident light. Avoiding uncomfortable subjects isn’t “lying”.

“Men fall in love with what they see and women fall in love with what they hear. That’s why women wear makeup and men lie”.

- Jordan Peterson

[BJP21]

@Haha456 Those are the kind of guys that ruin it for the serious guys like me.

[RangerBlue22]

@BJP21 haha456 blocked me which was cowardly because I have no idea what she said. I didn’t come here to antagonize and argue for the sake of arguing. But just like @Anessa_Jade share her POV it’s only fair if I share.

Just because I disagree with someone doesn’t mean I hate them. I care about WHAT is right vs. BEING right.

[BlueScorpio]

Just all the dysfunction and betrayal I keep hearing about. But in sure it's not all bad, I think it's mostly an internet thing and that people on the outside world are still forming relationships.

[jennifer_bloom]

I find the nice guys tend to be liars and the honest guys tend to be abusive. So finding a guy who is neither fake nor abusive is the hard part.

[Guy13]

Unwillingness to commit.

[DenizLikesTennis]

I know it sounds like we are against so many things but not true at all. If we had a standard like this, We'd be Single for a lifetime... so I thought to give you my 2 cents like a gentleman would tip for the waitress:

• Materialism and Status (is it enough to impress her? Is that even okay? I feel like a poor guy. I perform only this job)
• The looks. (Is my nose big?)
• The personality when you are dating (oh man, I have to be funny and charm her because i feel like it's too boring. Only normal conversation. Let's be funny)
• Overcomplicating. (Should I pay? Or is it too much of a nice guy? Perhaps I should just do that in our 3rd or 2nd date so she can think like this and that)

All what you are doing is just having fun on that day and we are ruining and killing it by our false thoughts that we've printed in our minds from these movies, social media tricks and tips. And that is actually the real reason why everything is going wrong. Not because you are acting strange, your nose is big, whatever.

[Lookingforthetruth]

1. Female entitlement and thinking that they are the prize and men are meant to serve them.

2. Female delusion in believing they are more attractive than they actually are due to being easy lays for hot and/or rich guys.

3. Female laziness when it comes to actually holding a conversation, approaching, planning for dates and generally making an effort to meet people. A lot of women just expect their dream man to fall into their lap.

4. Lack of honesty. A lot of women are hoes for one guy but then try and present themselves as ladies of virtue for men they want LTR.

5. Lack of accountability. A lot of women blame all men for their dating struggles and complain online but if you could peer into their dating history, they are dating top 20% of males that every other woman is picking.

6. Unwillingness to own up to being more shallow than men. A lot of women still try to gaslight men into believing they actually care about personality more than looks.

7. Ghosting, drama and texting games.

[MCheetah]

I agree with this so much, I could've written it verbatim. But I'm trying to be "more positive" today.

[Anonymous]

The fact women seriously think a man will go out of his way to approach her, set up a date with her (which he has to plan for and usually pay for), lead the conversation and deal with all obstacles that come up on date night, make the first move, etc just to have her later do the most insulting thing possible and either assume he’s okay with being “just friends” or saying that bs when she deep down knows damn well he’s not. This is all because he treated her respectfully.

Women are either delusional that they think they can bond with a straight man as a “friend” when they know he’s interested and/or extremely selfish to the point of being sociopathic.

Now I haven’t got caught up friéndzone bs in many years. I got well developed radar for that bullshit nowadays. But I was raised to be chivalrous to women and this got me brutally raked over the coals vía friendzone bs in my teens to mid 20s. I later went through a manwhore phase in my late 20s/ early 30s (I was at my peak looks). Then in my mid 30s I tried being my chivalrous again only to be shocked and dismayed that some grown ass women in their 30s still try to pull friéndzone bs.

Anyway the friendzone is NOT a sex issue rather a fucking RESPECt issue. I can handle rejection. I’ve gotten plenty of it over my lifetime. However women become a liability to men in scenarios where the man’s interested and she doesn’t feel the same. She needs to respect his time, effort, money and heart and just be straight up with them. But instead many of them will try to exploit this for all it’s worth.

[MCheetah]

Women reject dozens of good men for extremely superficial reasons; then come online and bitch about "being single" and "no one loves me." That irks me more than anything else out there, especially as someone who gets no dating attention from the opposite sex. I'm beyond sick of seeing bitchy women complain about being "single and alone" while rejecting every guy who isn't goddamn Henry Cavill levels of Chad-ness.

[12Volt]

Online dating is a brilliant concept, but it doesn't work. I know a woman who's been on the same dating app for 15 years. She says all guys are assholes who just hump and dump. lol
Do you think she would ever take responsibility for her lack of success? No.

On a scale of 1-10, she's a 5. But she thinks she's a 10, because 10's are the guys humping and dumping her. Who does she blame for her lack of success? Herself? No. The players? No. She blames all guys. Even the guys that she never gave a chance to, are to blame.

I talked to a lady online, and she said her sister fell for the money scam, not once, but three times!

"Hello, I'm a very rich doctor in India, and I want to marry you. But someone stole my wallet, so I can't come to America to marry you. If you can send me money, I will marry you."

Three times she fell for that! lol

[MCheetah]

@12Volt
It's so frustrating for people who legit can't find anyone to have someone who is okay looking (at least not ugly) have extremely deluded expectations and think they're entitled to 10s and then ask for sympathy when they can't get literally perfect men they are in no way deserving of. There are some women who put in serious effort to find a husband, but they *usually* aren't the ones complaining online about how "no one loves me."

I see these questions so often on GAG; it's always mediocre-women with crappy personalities expecting to get men even celebrity models couldn't get, and as soon as you start asking some basic questions, it's always "Well, I got standards, LOLZ!" There's a difference between having standards and thinking you're owed a man richer than Elon Musk just for having a vagina. Their delusion is sky-high! I always say, don't ask for someone who you yourself can't provide opposite gender equivalent traits of. Like women who are 4s asking for 10s. But, hypergamy's gonna hypergamy.

[12Volt]

I would like to show you a video on YouTube, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. 500 hours of content is uploaded every minute.

Anyway, a young guy did a dating experiment. He showed us his profile, and the nice messages he sent.
He also showed us women's profiles.

"If you can't string a sentence together, or just want to hook up, don't waste my time."

So he created a new profile, and posted a picture of a really hot guy.

His messages to women were: "Yo, wanna hook up?"
The replies were...
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes lol
I don't blame either gender for online dating being stupid, because it's just the way it is.

I had a friend in junior high, and I asked him why he was so successful with the girls. (he always had a girl on his arm)

I'll never forget what he said

"Successful? 99 out of a hundred girls reject me. But now that I have the magic formula, it's easy."

I realize that no one on this site is actually looking for advice, but I do tell guys that the secret is finding a way to shed all fear. I don't know how that can be accomplished, but my friend figured it out, and he always had a girl.

[MCheetah]

@12Volt
Yeah, but to play the Numbers Game, you still gotta have basic things. Like being only 6'0", as opposed to the 6'4" Chads. Or being only a 7 out of 10, as opposed to the 9 out of 10 dudes. Yes, we know about the Numbers Games and it only works for men who are 7s. (MAYBE a 6/10 who's over 6'1", but that's about it.)

I actually did the raw math on this a long time ago. But basically, a man starts off being able to have a 1 in a 500 chance with women and the odds drop exponentially lower for each negative/dealbreaker a man has. It five times harder, on a multiplier, for EACH of these that applies to you as a man.

- A guy who is under six feet tall.
- A guy who is not white (or light-skin Hispanic).
- A guy who is overweight, or not athletically fit.
- A guy who is not earning a minimum of at least $60K a year.
- A guy who is older than 29.
- A guy who isn't cocky or arrogant.

Let's see... All six of those apply to me. If a man who is lacking none of those has a 1 in 500 chance, then a man who is lacking none of those, with a 6x multiplier of "times five" has a 1 in 7,812,500 chance of finding a woman. That means if you lived in New York City, literally only ONE woman would be interested in such a man. Just one. That's it.

1 out of 100 is extremely high odds for a man, is what I'm saying.

[12Volt]

If you found out your calculations were completely wrong, would that be a good or bad thing for you?

[Lookingforthetruth]

@12Volt This is a guy who had an online dating profile and swiped on 16k women over 4 months. He was rewarded with 3 dates for his efforts that amounted to nothing. He's 6'3", college educated, WHITE, sociable and comes from an upper middle class family.

https://youtu.be/35fiNZTVVtU

[MCheetah]

@12Volt
I did this a long time ago, like 2016, and it was on Reddit (which I no longer use), so I can't show you my work. But the numbers were very damn accurate. In fact, I'm not the only one to have done this.
https://igotstandardsbro.com
But sure, go ahead. Prove me wrong. As long as you aren't trying to count 8 out of 10 men as being "average."

[MCheetah]

@12Volt
The video @Lookingforthetruth linked from the excellent Wheat Waffles shows that even a 6'3" young, fairly successful, white man with a 6/10 face, only has about a 1 in 25 chance with women. Just 4%. Your male friend is likely an above average man as well, since he had a 1% chance with women, according to him. Which like I said, is still high.

[ShadezMcgee]

Having to always be fun, exciting and mysterious to keep a woman entertained and interested. They are very easily bored and the majority of them only prove they are not worth the fucking time of day or two squirts of piss. Women love to waste men's time and ghost them if they are bored or feel as though they can get away with it because they got what they really wanted. Validation.

You as a man will forever be in competition of other men and you will lose a majority of the time to those who she has the strongest feelings for at the moment. You will never change how theybfeel or their minds. How they view you is how they will always see you. You can't get mad at them. You have to play the game and can't be perturbed by the stupid shit they do to get a rise out of you.

[xJeremyx]

The way people make it extremely self-centred.

Yes, it is important you find a partner of good quality who puts in good effort, but what about yourself?

Do I put in the same quality and amount of effort as I expect from my partner? What can I bring to the table? How can I benefit my partner? What makes me a person worthy of his/her time and effort? How can I become a better partner?

People need to start asking themselves these questions instead of automatically assuming that they "deserve" a good partner.

And also, the people with the princess mentality who think that their partner must pay for dates, and cater to their needs like the world revolves around them. SMH. You ask the person out, you pay. doesn't matter what gender you are.

Case Closed.

[Lookingforthetruth]

So 90% men must pay.

[TheSpaceGnome]

People who need to go on dates at all, are too boring to have actual fun with their partner.

[dowser19]

Well I can only speak from a Western perspective. But women in the U. S. can't seem to grasp the difference between what they say... and what they actually DO. The song, "Treat Her Like A Lady," by The Temptations? Brotha, you better put on "Treat Her Like A Ho,"... and she'll even tell you... she's a "Bad Bitch" or a "Baby Mama" or some other gibberish... because if you even ATTEMPT to show em courtesy, and you're not rich or some internet celebrity or dope dealing ex con? You're gonna get treated like a CREEP. Just because LaVar Ball says he's better than Michael Jordan... doesn't mean his resume actually proves that.😒

[Anonymous]

The lack of directiveness of women. You ask a simple direct question and they'll never give you a simple direct answer. Everything is a f***ing guessing game with them. And if you don't guess right it's because "you don't love them". And women wonder why guys just give up trying to understand women. And I know some simps are already going to say "I understand women".😆😆😆 No they don't. They just know thier tendencies, any observant guy can figure that out. This is why I say this repeatedly on this site, that guys never fully understand women. Even if they've been married to them for 50 years. Guys just get to a point where the know what they're willing to accept from women and what they're not. All women have a bit of crazy in them. But the guys who marry and stay married, 1. Find women that typically have the least crazy. And 2. Find a woman that's acknowledges her crazy and does her best to curb it.

[Jaximus-Lion]

All of it. Going in a date all over again, picking places, start a whole new chapter communicating , going through DO's and DON'T's all over again. Talk about old relationships all over again, show them that i am not an idiot all over again. All of it

[Lionman95]

For me dating isn´t a game because a game is nothing serious to me. I can understand the analogy but I don´t like the term.

I don´t like about dating that it has become complex to figure out what people are looking for and to find the right partner.

[Kpain]

Expectations. We put expectations on ourselves and the person we are taking out making what should be a fun laid back way of getting to know someone into mission impossible. The older you get the larger the expectations. At 20 going out on a date just meant going somewhere to eat and just having a job or being a student. At 30 (my age) just having a job isn’t enough. I have a GOOD job bringing in 6 figures, a car, my own apartment, and continuing for a PhD in nursing. Even with all of that I can get insecure about my looks (I’m average and she is pretty so maybe she’s too good for me). It’s the expectation of what people think they or the other person deserves that either creates tension and nervousness or the inability to move forward because we expect rejection. And one more thing that I hate about the dating game…. I am an introvert and sometimes socially awkward…so getting to know someone can be stressful by itself.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Everything you state here has to do with female choice and behavior. Men don't give a fuck about half of these issues u brought up.

Most guys have very basic requirements:

1. I must find her attractive
2. She must be feminine
3. She must have the ability to provide me with kids (optional)
4. She must have good nurturing/supportive qualities
5. She must for the very minimum be able to support herself (optional)
6. She must not be a hoe and have good morals/values
7. Ideally, low partner count (optional)

[Bricealan]

The most annoying thing for me is, not having any idea of what your date's expectations are, for the evening, and from me?

At first they are seemingly 'interested' in me... and then, after some point, not so much. I just try to be myself, and if she is interested in hearing about my 'hobbies', activities, et cetera, and me hearing about hers.

[suckmytitties]

When they always claim to want to be in a relationship but will still be messing with 15 other people. If you don’t want to be tied down say that! I hate dishonest people and it seems they are the ones who constantly talk about how much they want to be in a relationship.

[Lookingforthetruth]

This only happens when women keep going for the guy than 10-20 other women want. Andrew Tate on pearl's podcast even call women out on it, you go for hot/popular/high value guy then expect things like this to happen.

[suckmytitties]

Only a dumbass like you who listens to him would say that.

[MementoMori_]

" If you don’t want to be tied down say that! "

Hmmmm...

Say that and don't get any...

OR...

Don't say it and get some.

What to do? 🤔

[Anemone978]

- That it is now an actual game
- so many fucked up damaged people hurting other people instead of getting help
- It isn't dating, they don't want to commit anymore... Situationships.. its just total BS I'm not interested anymore.

[MementoMori_]

"Situationships" 🤣

[RobEdelman]

The feeling that no matter what you do, you’ll never be good enough. You can be young, in half decent shape, making good money with a strong career ahead, and fulfilling hobbies, and zero women are interested in you. After a while you feel numb to it all and don’t bother anymore

[AmeerX]

You can get a girl in bed but you can't marry her afterwards. That's what most guys probably think.

I don't like to wait years in and out to marry.

And a lot of people boys mostly are in to get inside pants which seriously so many girls don't seem to understand 👀