+1 yOn the contrary, I think it's a highly accurate statement; if one wants to be desired, they must first be desirable. One must examine themselves to figure out if they are truly the very best passion they can be.
I see the quote "if they can't love me at my worst, they don't deserve my best" but that doesn't mean someone enters the dating pool without putting any effort into themselves. So many folks think that they are immobile in self and opinion, expecting others to not only desire them on merit alone but also conform to expectations without question.
I am not in the dating scene and I won't enter it again. But for the sake of conversation, I'll say I am- I'm 34. I know that I'm bringing a different set of skills and mentality to the table; I can't approach women the same way I did at 24. I wouldn't expect to either. I believe that when a single guy goes to the bar, he wonders if he will get laid; when a single woman goes to a bar, she already knows if she is going to get laid.
With that observation, I think women have a much harder time adjusting to the dating scene as they age simply because they never learned how to approach, since the men always came to them. To a majority of men, a 20 year old will get more attention than a 30 year old.
Tl;dr: all someone can do is control themselves and the way they present themselves. Blaming everyone and everything is not the path to personal growth and improvement.
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Love this phrasing: "So many folks think that they are immobile in self and opinion, expecting others to not only desire them on merit alone but also conform to expectations without question."
That is such an insightful observation - that women never learned how to approach, so when they are no longer approached as often, they feel helpless and passively at the mercy of men. (lol you didn't say all that, but I'm adding to it.)
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+1 yThis is not true. That's why nobody teaches girls this at a young age. Becuse it's not true. In fact, it would be super-fucked up if you DID tell some little girl that this is how things work. Because it's not true. This is just how you, personally have come to see it. It's silly to expect to have been taught this. Again, because it's just not true.
But there is nothing more unattractive than someone who has such a low opinion of themselves. If you don't seem to see any value in yourself, it's hard to present yourself in a way that someone else is likely to see the value in you either. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
But don't go telling kids this. That's super-messed-up. And really really wrong.
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Asker+1 yIt is the truth though. As you grow older, it is harder to find someone. If a woman is 30 or over, she’s past her prime and is less attractive to men. Why do you think those women aren’t in long term relationships? Because men don’t see them as young anymore. If they were dating a woman in her 20s, they would consider a relationship with them. But, men would only use 30+ year old women because they feel sorry for them. Or they would settle until they find someone better.
Asker+1 yAge is a big thing and it’s what makes you valuable in order to date a man. Is it cruel? Yes. But, that’s how our dating world works. I didn’t think it mattered but it does. I’m glad I woke up from my delusional because I had my hopes up. And I’m so mad at myself I didn’t see this sooner because so blinded by lies.
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No! That's just a bunch of bullshit! I'm 37. I know plenty of women in their 30's. In fact, a friend of mine who tried to make this same bullshit argument a couple of years ago... got married a few months ago.
What you're saying here is just not true. Guys in their 30's generally... go for women in their 30's. Not because they feel sorry for them. But because they are at a similar phase of life.
I am someone who has NEVER been into older women. When I was 16 years old, I wouldn't have touched a 22 year old girl. She was too old to be attractive to me. When I was 22... there was no way I was going to date a 30 year old woman... she was too old to be attractive to me. Now... I'm 37... and... someone who's 50 (or maybe even 45) is going to be too old for me (now).
But... as someone who (at one point) thought a 22 year old was too old to be attractive... I absolutely find myself attracted to women my own age. That's not to say that I'm not still attracted to a hot 22 year old. That doesn't ever change. But I'll tell you... I'm sure as shit not LOOKING to get involved with some 22 year old. I'm looking for someone around my own age.
What you are saying here... is just fundamentally wrong. There is evidence that your're wrong ALL AROUND YOU. There are people YOU KNOW who prove what you just said here is bullshit. It flies in the face of all the evidence ASIDE from your own personal experience. But your experience is not typical. I'm sure you've got your own reasons for seeing things this way. But this is NOT actually true. Not at all. Sorry, but you're just plain wrong about this.
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+1 y30 is not old and even my uncle is still able to have a more active dating life than me with his 50 years... i think it all depends on you, sure it doesn't get easier with age but it ain't impossible
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Asker+1 yWhy does it get harder though?
I have to say I disagree on this
Hell pepole in old age homes still date
You can dind someone regardless of your age, its never easy but you can do it no matter the number00 Reply
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1.7K opinions shared on Dating topic. I think you're psyching yourself out, Sasha. We can focus on what has been lost, what is no longer, what we lack, and on the potential negative outcomes. And it's hard, believe me, I know it is, to not do these things too much. But as Monke has said on another thread, investing in these lines of thinking will get you nowhere, except maybe more depressed.
You know what older women have to offer? (And you are not "old", so take my phrasing as technically accurate, not a pejorative, please.) They don't do much of the same bullshit that younger females do. Is it because of immaturity? Ego? Entitlement? Lack of experience? Generational differences springing from the culture they grew up in? I don't know, and who really cares, but I can tell you that guys do not simply overlook you past the age of 30. You can start to feel invisible out there, I get that. Though I was usually wanting to blend in, not stand out. But I'm 50 and I still get looks on the street. The strange thing is that I thought it was purely cute or smart fashion choices, but if it was then why don't females ever look at me? I'm reaaaally invisible to them. Yet they're the ones who are thinking about wardrobe choices on others. Anyway. Buy some nice clothes. For me, it's a beautiful, long black wool and cashmere coat which I bought 55% off a few years ago, but it was a $600 coat prior to the sale, and I have a fluffy grey winter hat that every guy seems to love, and if I wear a heeled ankle boot with that, and a colourful scarf, and my white gloves, apparently I look fun, like someone guys want to know. They don't know I'm 50 or been married and with the same guy 23 years.
Don't be defeatist. I have tons of things I don't like about myself, and I feel old and scruffy. But at 30 I had an equally long list of complaints, and as my mother always said (when I was 15, etc.), "Oh, you look great. Stop wasting your energy on this. It goes downhill one day, but you're not there yet!" And she was right.
So get off the couch, go do something, smile, look up, live your life. If you see a nice looking guy you like the look of, say hi. Don't be passive. Don't let you life slip away from you. It's yours, and yours alone. No one else will really care if you wasted yours, have a ton of regrets. You are more than your external. Learn things. Read. Think. Grow. Have something to say. Care about the world, and other people. Don't just talk about yourself, and your problems. Guys really do like to talk as well. Not nearly as much, as often, but they like being asked questions. Your curiosity about them matters. Guys have had to do much of the heavy lifting (approaching, etc.) in relationships, to get them off the ground, for a long time now. Forget subtle. Conk them over the head with a mallet, and flirt with them. "Hey cutie!" They'll love it. They'll think you're cool as fuck, too.
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+1 yI was not taught this, but I know men that were... it lead some of them to think they didn't really need to try because sooner or later it would just happen.
Obviously it is BS for everyone to think they will find someone sooner or later.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThat's not true at all!
I find women in their 30s to be highly desirable. It's that perfect balance between maturity and youth.
30 is not what it used to be. Most people are just starting to figure themselves out and become the person they want to be around that time.
Plenty of romances begin when a woman is her 30s, and there is absolutely hope for you to do the same.
You're not too old or too washed up to start finding love, darling. You're just getting started!
When it's meant to happen for you, it will happen. There's no need to start putting deadlines on your love life! It's not worth it.
Just focus on yourself and becoming the best version of yourself and love will find it's way to you when it's damn good and ready.
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Asker+1 yThen why do I keep being told otherwise?
Opinion Owner+1 yBecause you're listening to the wrong people who don't know what the hell they're talking about. I've "love coaches" on YouTube say that and it's complete horseshit every time. Women in their 30s are very sexy in my opinion, and I know plenty of guys who will agree with me.
Are you gonna steal the heart of some 25 year old fuck boy? Probably not, but real men have no issue with a woman your age.
In fact, a lot of women my age are less desirable in my opinion, because all they wanna do is play games and wait until the next best thing comes around.
But I promise your age is not gonna hold you back in the dating world if you're looking for a good man who knows what he wants and is ready for a real relationship.
You can take my word on that
(Plus you're a red head, which is already one of the most desirable traits in women these days)
Asker+1 yI’m not naturally a red head though 😅
The simple fact is that quite a few men are inherent pigs and you shouldn't always believe everything that you hear. It's harder to manipulate women or men for that matter after they have life experience. Sounds to me like they're wanting someone whom they can control. Unless they're have intentions on starting a family. However these days no one can afford that. Corporate greed is way out of control.
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+1 yIm in my 40s. So is my girlfriend. We've been together off and on for 12 years in June officially. So we got together in our 30s. We're no model material. We found someone so your question doesn't compute (quote from Johnny 5).
If your talking about yourself, it maybe about attitude. I don't know you personally at all. I could be wrong but with all your questions about relationships it kinda makes since.
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Asker+1 yI’ve been hearing about this a lot. Mostly from men. But, I thought they were just being bitter because of whatever reason. Now, I’m starting to rethink everything.
Asker+1 yBut, I am very unlikable. I can admit that.
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Everything you've asked and have answered some, not all, questions. It seems that its your attitude. I don't know, if you were rejected or wronged. Got hurt by someone. Or even at your lowest you started listening to man hating women. I'm saying the ones that hate men in general just because and for no other reason. You've got it in your head that you're unlikable. Why?
I think its your attitude towards men. Some ladies too. You also seemed closed off to people. Maybe if you opened yourself up a little and not be so turned off of men.
We're not all bad.
Asker+1 yI will once I find someone I truly like and he feels the same. But, right now, nothing’s going to happen.
Asker+1 yAnd I’m unlikable because I don’t like people very much. They bug the shit out of me.
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That's the reason you're unlikable. Not ev1 can bug you. There's got to be some that don't.
Asker+1 yOnly my friends and family.
Asker+1 yBut, everyone in general I can’t stand. I’m just not a people person.
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That's your problem. Now you need to find out why. I mean really why, deep down.
Asker+1 yWhy do I need to find out why? There’s many other people who are the same way as me.
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You're asking why this that and other. When you find out why, you might not be single anymore.
Asker+1 yHave you met people? Have you seen how they act?
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I meet people every day. I work in customer service.
Asker+1 ySo do I and people are absolutely horrible.
Asker+1 yIf I’m being honest, I’m extremely unmotivated to find someone. I’m lazy and have no intention in putting in effort.
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Ok. So why ask about finding someone or relationships?
Asker+1 yI’m deleting all those questions. In fact, I’m going to delete this one.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 y"After hitting 30 or over, no man wants a woman that age. We’re seen as unlovable and undesirable."
That's not true. Women that age are still loveable and desirable, just less so than they were in their prime. But you can still find love at that age. Lots of women do.
I do however agree that it's cruel to not prepare women for this reality, and we have feminism to thank for that.
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Asker+1 yI get told many different things. For example, I hear a lot men say women are past their prime after 20 something. I hear they start their prime at 30. I don’t know which is true.
If I’m seen undesirable at the age of 30, is it even worth finding someone?
18.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. Not true at all. I work with women in their 40s and 50s who are regularly dating.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yDon't create a stereotype based on your bad luck.
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Asker+1 yI didn’t create anything 🤨
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+1 yYour delusion came from women doing everything they can to keep other women single.
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Asker+1 yWhat delusion? 🤨
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