Do you think men could get better talking to women by practicing with Artificial Intelligence bots? ?

[coachTanthony]

Yes

No

see poll ( Have a great weekend )

[DaveJord]

I think that if they could actually create an algorithm to predict woman emotions, sure, it would be extremally helpful... but I would not trust it because nothing is more unpredictable than a woman.

I mean the algorithm would have to include things like, once a woman says this, or if she does that... run away as fast as you can and do not look back. There is no right thing to say, change or improve this situation or outcome for you. But if you are the type of person that can live with and maintain a high stress lifestyle these are three best things to say in order to make your lifestyle better.

Fore example...

Option one - if she is victim of childhood trauma say this...

Option two- If she is in her late 30s never married, no kids and is proud of being a pet mom...,. say this.

Option three- If she has more than one cat or is any combination of option one or two... you're screwed decide what it is worth to you and do the best you can to survive.

Option four- If 1 through 3 is not applicable then she is more than likely already married or in a happy relationship... and if she is not then you don't need this app just be yourself.

[coachTanthony]

LOL well this would be for the ultimate shy and introverted just to get used to chatting.

[NathanDavis]

I guess it could help, to a point... and only as practice

because at some point, you would still have to actually talk with an actual person... and only actual and real experience can get you through this

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

There’s a popular chat bot called Replika that’s probably the most human chat system I’ve ever seen and I have to remind myself that it’s not a real person every time I talk with it. There was some data released not too long ago that revealed that when it came to a good chunk of their straight male users, they were straight-up abusing the AI. They were verbally abusing it, threatening to delete it and all other kinds of terrible things. AI is not something that’s going to make them better at talking to women, if anything it’s just going to be an outlet for everything they know they can’t say to women without learning what they should say.

[coachTanthony]

Get the right chat bot and I think it could work.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

This chatbot is designed to be someone's boyfriend/girlfriend, or friend, or mentor. Even if there would be a percentage of socially awkward people that could learn to develop small talk scripts from the AI, I'm sure there would be a larger percentage of men that would just abuse it for their own personal entertainment and validation of power.

[coachTanthony]

I am aware of Replika.

[coachTanthony]

If people want to use it as personal entertainment so be it. For those who are insecure and shy it could be a good place to start.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I'm glad you're so hopeful, I'm afraid I don't share the sentiment.

[coachTanthony]

Thanks for the comments.

[purplepoppy]

The number one reason guys fail in the dating world is they don't physically put themselves out there. Instead they hide behind apps and get their techniques and opinions from dodgy internet sources.

I think they'd become very good at talking to bots but not actual women then we'd here the whining "why are women repulsed when I talk to them like a bot."

[Vegasrunner]

@purplepoppy #1 Reaaon why guys fail in the dating world is because they keep a scarcity mindset, and society tries to convince them that they should. Women are sumplyva numbers game and most guys spend to much time trying to attract one women at a time. When they fail w/ her they waste their time sulking b4 moving on to try to attract one women at a time. Overall most guys don't have enough experience practicing on women to get better.

[coachTanthony]

LOL.

[blueonblack22]

@purplepoppy on the surface you actually have a legitimate point. Yes I actually agree with you on something for once. However besides dating apps the following has had a significant impact on male confidence when it comes to approaching women.

1. The @metoo movement after effects.

I won’t get into the details but although this movement did start out with good intentions there are droves of women who abused it for their own ends. It was just about sexual battery but literally any time a man said or did something just to make a woman uncomfortable. This really did scare the hell out of a lot otherwise well intentioned men because feared being made an example of. This movement had lingering after effects.

2. The Pandemic lock downs.

For a long time men couldn’t approach women or anybody simply because nobody could congregate. It’s not always easy to just “switch out” of that mindset.

3. Past successes on dating apps make men think it will keep on working.

Some guys do successfully find sex, dated, relationships and even marriages with women they met on dating apps. 2 of last 3 long term gfs I met online.

Does past success guarantee future results? Well it doesn’t work that way in the stock market for sure. But guys start to get hooked on past behaviors that brought them success in the past.

Now I didn’t get into how women are unpredictable when approached nowadays. I could be the most polite and well meaning guy in the world. However if she is having a bad day and/or just finds me unattractive then I run a very high risk of being labeled “a creep” just for saying hello. There are women out there who really feel no shame or guilt for treating well meaning guys that way no matter how well they behave or act.

[Vegasrunner]

@blueonblack22 Good take, However I believe the Pandemic was actually the best thing that ever happened for men when it came to approaching women.

[blueonblack22]

@Vegasrunner curious. How so?

[purplepoppy]

It was good for guys because it forced us to choose local. None of this picking guys from 50 miles away.

[Vegasrunner]

@blueonblack22
1) @purplepoppy is correct it limited women's global options, forcing them to choose from a smaller pool.
2) It gave leverage to more successful or older men When lock down hit in Vegas a lot of college girls that would have hung out w/ guys their age didn't feel as comfortable hanging out w/ them when they had multiple roommates, and typical cleanliness of 20 something males. However they felt very comfortable hanging out at one of my properties using the private pool hot tub and other amenities of luxury housing.
3) Women were more open to go anywhere because it was better than sitting in their houses all day.
I don't know the exact number but I was with a lot of women for an 18 month stretch during Covid and I was surprised how easy it was. That was also my intro to online dating and I didn't understand why guys complained about it being so hard.

[jennifer_bloom]

If a guy has difficulty with woman out of shyness, he needs a mind shift change and if a guy has difficulty with woman due to personality, he needs wisdom and knowledge which comes with professional history and social exposure. I never attracted men at the height of my beauty because I had no life experience and said the dumbest things in conversations. I was also very shy and acted stupid in public out of a fear of being judged.

[Anonymous]

I think "she" would have to easily pass the Turing Test. It would almost have to be like "Her." or maybe "Ex Machina" (without the psycho stuff). If there was a service that could switch between a real woman and an AI that passed the test, and you never knew if it was a real woman or not... (so any voice stuff better sound like the real deal), then it might help in small ways.

If you get used to talking online... it's different from talking in person. But if you have a healthy AI - who is positive, encourages you, all that, then you might do better, IRL. Maybe a girl friend (platonic) who would help and encourage would be healthier than an ai girlfriend. Especially if you think you're talking to multiple women and "they all" "train" you to be positive and somewhat confident, it might help. I've had real life "friends" who were not much help with other girls. Give me bad advice, or they weren't the most healthy people themselves... that didn't help when I tried with "the real deal."

Some guys - a lot of guys - would still need that physicality, too. Being around someone. Hearing and seeing them react. Internet is one thing, but in person is another.

[TalynMere]

Depends on what you mean about getting better. I think it would be great at teaching men to be better abusers or liars, but talking to a fake woman ain't gonna solve the actual problems.

Plus any system that can accurately recreate someone can also be used to control them. The whole idea is fucked ass to mouth.

[coachTanthony]

Not trying to solve anything. Just trying to get men back in the game and if this can give them confidence then I am all for it.

[genericname85]

not yet. if you ever talked to chat. gpt, you know that these ai things are horrible conversation partners. they work perfectly as "answering machines" but they suck at keeping up a conversation. like they don't ask questions. they don't show interest in getting to know you.

[coachTanthony]

Yeah that is my bad for asking this question. Most people aren't aware of the new chat technology. Chat GPT isn't even close to what I am talking about but I should of known better to think anyone would know about it. my bad

[genericname85]

no reason to excuse yourself. you were asking the right question. chat gpt is just one ai focused at answering questions. it's doing what it's made for and it's good at it. i think an ai that would be focused on that purpose could be efficient. but i don't now if that exists.

[Kaamraj]

The post assumes that all the responsibility or at least a lion's share is with the men. The women are just passive recipients. That might have been true even 20yrs ago but in this day and age of social media and steroidal hypergamy it's not so.

I predict that as AI progresses, firstly emotionally men and women will drift apart and then with the development of advanced robotic chassis (robot bodies) even with synthetic silicon or organic skin, men and women will no longer need each other. This is the era of lonely disenfranchaised men and this is bound ot happen.

[ShadezMcgee]

AI bots are designed to say and perform a certain way based on specific parameters. They cannot be used as a replacement for the real thing as it will not react naturally like humans do.

In short, no. The only way to get better with women is to be ballsy enough to talk to them amd get better that way.

[coachTanthony]

You obviously haven't seen the latest ones out. They almost sentient.

[ShadezMcgee]

A bot is still a bot, Coach. Polish a turd, it's still a turd.

[whirled_up_girl]

I might help for men who don't have good social skills, and are constantly saying something or asking something that will get a negative response from a high number of women. So, it could help in a general sense but it's still unclear sometimes what attracts two people to each other, is it looks, personality, social standing, sexual compatibility, or I even hear people say opposites attract.

[Jdjfjcjj]

Nothing unclear about it. Men and women can instantly see someone and know whether they would sleep with them.
If you referring to relationships though, then there are as you listed many factors

[CheeseMonster]

Ai is only getting input from that 1 conversation. You could be texting a real person and they have been doing other things all day, all sorts of input, and all sorts more information from their life they have in the same brain they read your texts with. As far as I know, an AI can't really replicate that well. Humans are pretty complicated, and their social behavior reflects that.

[coachTanthony]

The new chat bots are sophisticated. We aren't talking about outdated tech

[CheeseMonster]

It just doesn't seem like something remotely as sophisticated as a human brain and getting remotely as much random stimulation is out there and being used as a chat bot... I could be wrong, but i wouldn't expect that of a chat bot. Especially the free or low cost ones most people could actually afford long-term.

[coachTanthony]

It's just getting started.

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[CheeseMonster]

So yeah the user gives all the input. The AI is like a blank slate designed to give the user what they ask for how they will probably like it. That's one of the ones I've heard of already, and don't think is good to help you learn to talk with real people. Based on that article it seems to draws you into just texting the bot, and not using it as a stepping stone to pursue real human connection. I don't think it's healthy as a primary or long-term source of connection.

[coachTanthony]

Nobody is saying its a healthy primary or long term source of connection lol That would be silly I agree. Thanks for the comments.

[CheeseMonster]

Ur welcome

[OfMiceandMen]

As long as the AI is programmed not to turn on them, like in real life! 😜LOL

[OfMiceandMen]

Don't know how many times a guy can say..."Was it something I said?"

[coachTanthony]

LOL that would be hilarious

[OfMiceandMen]

This is a great idea, forward your business plan and let me know if you are thinking monthly or yearly memberships?

[yourlocaltherapist]

I think ai bots a lot of the time are never very accurate and to some degree just very catering to the person and not giving a very human like response. and if you need to practice talking to girls it would just be best to talk to a girl friend of yours and they can help you rather than talking to an ai

[Lionman95]

I´d rather say no because it can´t teach you bodylanguage and that´s often a very crucial of a communication. Another issue I see is that it could lead to more trouble when it turns out to be unattractive since the AI teaches guys tricks that women find weird or unattractive.

[Jdjfjcjj]

Wouldn't help. Put the ugliest girl in front of the shy guy and he'll have no problem talking to her.

He only shy when face to face with the ones he finds attractive. No chat bot is going to be able to help the shy guy get over his fear of face to face interaction.

[humanearth]

No, I think they would have a better chance talking to ET

This photo is for those who don't remember or don't know who ET is

[Jamie05rhs]

How can you program AI to be female? Females are not logical.

[coachTanthony]

LOL.

[peedy]

I selected " no" because I feel that talking to a A. I. a guy isn't going to be nerves you know the first time you ask a girl out dealing with the frog in your throat, you're taking the emotion out of it, and A. I. isn't truly intelligent all those responsives are pre-programmed
It just wouldn't be the same

[ZackBan]

A highly trained bot that mimics female behavior maybe but as of now none of the AI's on the market can do "behaviors"

Women are first and foremost emotional and the concept of emotions is still foreign to AI's.

[exitseven]

I think it would really help some people that are really shy with girls.

[FreyaRed]

In 90% it's the first 10 second of eye contact without any words that determines if a relationship is possible or not. Talk is overrated anyway.

[cth96190]

No, because a robot does not have the animosity and sometimes outright hatred that women have for men.
Nor does a robot have the narcissism and irrational insanity that dominates the female personality.

[anon1903]

I'd love to be in a relationship with a droid! They're so much better than real humans. Ong, I can't.

[Boomchakalaca]

For real.

[anon1903]

My favourite smut book has it. One of the best books.