I don’t care if a woman becomes successful, my only issue is in the western world they have encouraged and accepted toxic feminism. If women and girls want to throw terms, adverbs or whatever out by defining guys (asshole, cheapskate, loser, small dick, short, POS, simp, incel, etc.). Yeah to women who read this and think it’s perfectly fine then don’t whine if you hear (bitch, ho, lazy, manipulative, harlot, home wrecker, bimbo, slut, etc.) in return. It’s hard for men to trust women especially in western countries. Because girls today assume guys still think like it’s the 1940s. That men don’t cook, men don’t clean, etc. Men have enhanced their skills inside and outside the home. But men aren’t going to risk their life, career, status for a woman who has some sick twisted agenda implanted in her mind since she was 8 (ex: bad father), 15 (a crush who broke her heart), 27 (bad divorce). Women are hypocrites — yea I said it. Women will get mad and say guys and men shouldn’t label all females the same, meanwhile because of that 1 bad dude in her life she will have this hell has no fury like a woman scorned. I’m careful who I talk to now. This is not to devalue women, if women want to be successful with a business or pursuing an academic career then go for it. The problem is in the west they want women to break barriers, be independent, make her own money, that’s fine. But to be fine with bad behaviour? Nope that’s where I draw the line in the sand. I am not tolerating bad behaviour. One day, many of these women will be on their death bed, childless, fatherless, no husband, just her wealth that she chased in this world to show off to others and departs this world through death. To women out there, don’t believe in the ideology of feminism. It’s okay to pursue your goals but be a good, noble person as well. This video below explains the separation guys/men have towards females…
https://www.youtube.com/embed/PA1abdfnYqA
I think it's women's own hypergamy that hurts them the most. Always expecting a better educated, making more money than themselves, and even judging what type of job the man holds really limits the options for a lot of highly successful women. That idea of just holding out until you find a man that has it all drops a lot of them in the post-wall single-for-life category... and the wall is undefeated.
My wife of 14 years isn't single, but she made the trade of my looks and intelligence minus any money at all. It's a relationship where me not meeting some shopping list of standards was given a pass. Mr. Perfect everything is rare, and if Mr. Perfect exists... yes, he will fuck... but, why would he settle for Ms. Average at Best when basically EVERY WOMAN is an option for him? <--That's what ultra-hypergamous chicks fail to understand.
I could keep going with stuff like what's wrong with a plumber when he makes more than the dude that works at the bank and works less? Like when did even the type of job become some standard? ... and there is just lots of stuff like that. That fucking hypergamy is the problem for the vast majority of successful and perpetually single or only having 'situationships' for life types of chicks.
Who said that? It also depends on what the woman wants. The women I’ve seen who are childless, single etc. and successful it’s because they want to be the powerhouse of the relationship, they refuse to compromise with a man and are very controlling. This isn’t just successful women, either.
Successful women can 110% have a partner if they maintain their femininity. I think that’s important. And it wouldn’t be harder, in fact it’d probably be easier since you have access to a wider range of men.
So many men sharing their commentary on what a successful woman would be able to get, yet, they are not successful men themselves, so how would they possibly know?
I know a lot of rich women that have difficulty keeping guys cause the poor guys use the rich girls for money and the rich guys have anger issues and unrealistic expectations because they have an endless flow of girls pursuing them, and do not have a big incentive to work on their personalities to get girls.
There’s more to that regarding men: most men don’t really care if a woman is rich since we’re taught to be providers and protectors since childhood, however, aesthetics, nurturing, and child rearing are the main drivers I’d say for men when they pick women.
Me personally, if she has a lot of money, it’s actually a turn off because I don’t
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Yeah for sure. Everyone should be so they can survive. Successful is comfortable independence.
It would be nice if all women were in a way where they weren’t negatively emotionally involved.
Nothing narcissistic. Nothing emotionally bizarre or impulsive. I’d hope they’d be more logical than some men and that they’d be caring at times for whoever they work with.
I suppose this will happen and can be done, with time. I’m for it.
I read the end of the context in this question and it seems you made up your mind and also you basically provided two options in the poll that are very similar
Almost like two negatives or having two “no’s” lol
so I can’t vote. I think it is good and it’s not about dating. Just about finding some like minded people.
I think the "I disagree with that" option means you disagree with the whole stated premise that it harms the woman to be successful. But I get what you are saying, I think the OP just got confused and wasn't clear when making the poll and forming the question.
@zeitgeist057 glad you clarified
Because I read it at face-value:
Question:
Is it good if women become very successful
Options:
I disagree with that (aka I’m in disagreement with that- I think it is BAD that women are very successful) ^^
OR
I agree- women get hurt … by being successful
but I suppose context is everything. I need to read the context on these more lol 😂 some of them match the question perfectly and are just EXTENSIVE reading, with added details, and so I just try to get to the point of giving them a helpful answer, but some of these have entirely different contexts than the question header alone, implies. I suppose that’s why the teachers say read everything lol read it twice 😂
Thanks for this, again. 💯✅✨
There are definitely all sorts of questions on here, many of them ambiguous or confusing. And also plenty of "1. Yes I agree with you. or 2. No, I'm stupid." polls on here as well lol
Now look. All women are different and so are men. There is shit people in this world. If someone isn’t into you. Move on… Find who does like you.
There is some good successful women who are conservative. But you have bad ones too…. If someone doesn’t want to get married or have kids by choice. I don’t care. That’s her choice.
But I don’t have respect for someone whose just a sexist
It's okay for a woman to become very successful. And whether she decides to get married, have children, etc. is a personal decision. Let's not denigrate a woman because she lives the life she wants to lead.
GOOD?
What is good? What is bad? Define the terms.
Good for a happy, healthy marriage and family and kids?
Studies have shown that the more successful she is the more success she wants in a man so the pool of men she'd date gets smaller and smaller and smaller. So, the concept of not being dependent on a man, so she'd have her own money in case a man left her has the unintended consequence of her now being "too good" for a ton of men.
Women of older generations who were in love and content with an honest, responsible, hard working man who'd make 50,000-65,000 now are too good for him and will only date a man making 120,000.
Even though her own career makes her totally independent and his money SHOULD BE irrelevant, instead she now has to have a man making as much or more than her even though the money is irrelevant to her NEEDING it.
How busy is she and how much time is she away from her kids and husband? If she is now working 50-70 hours a week and traveling all the time. That harms the marriage and the family bond with the kids.
For a woman who is 100% single and doesn't want any type of long term relationship and her career success is how she gets happiness and feels content and fulfilled then spending all her time and energy being succesful is a good thing.
You'd think there wouldn't be any side effects to women having successful positions just like men having such positions.
But there is, and the mainstream media really seems to love dodging it.https://nypost.com/2019/09/25/women-are-struggling-to-find-men-who-make-as-much-money-as-they-do/(so much for that wage gap).
The thing that they are trying to avoid is the fact that men never cared about the status their potential partners had, women do. Once these rich women realize this and lower their standards, all of their dating issues would be solved. I'm not asking for them to go after lazy slobs but they apparently can't even be bothered to look the average man's way.
A female lawyer managed to marry a blue collar worker and it became a news story for crying out loud, and she seems ok with it. Even the article author judged her along with her colleagues by saying that she said "goodbye to the prospect of a glittery Manhattan lifestyle" as if she doesn't have one of the highest paying jobs in existence.
https://nypost.com/2016/06/01/the-solution-to-nycs-man-drought-date-down/
It sounds to me that lowering their standards isn't going to kill these women but it might take a little while to get them to admit to it.
The danger you are describing is real and I know women who fell right into that trap. If a successful woman insists on getting a man who is even more successful than herself then the air is getting thinner and you will have a couple that is very busy and has no time for other things such as family life.
However, I still disagree that it must necessarily turn out that way. It's up to the woman. If she is clever she gets a man who is different from her. He may be an artist or he may have a simple job in which he does nothing special. If he is good-looking it will not hurt. Most of all, if she wants kids she should get a man who likes kids and will look after them when she quickly returns to her important job.
It's easier if she can be happy without kids, but not everybody truly can. I for one could not. For most women it would be a significant sacrifice to forego children in favor of a career. It does not have to turn out that way.
Successful women are actually the winners. Because the more money a woman has, the less likely she needs a man. Poor women marry because they NEED to. They can't survive on their own. When a woman want a man but DONT NEED one, she can afford to be picky and have higher standards
@haha456 so you admit women are just digging for gold and not love.
The reality is less men want successful women as they are more masculine and less likely to be supportive, compliant and even caring. Men want to feel useful and usually these women get left on the shelf.
Whereas a successful man……well that gets all the girls because it’s very masculine.
Women like this one are bound to have huge ego clashes and end up in a standstill. You cannot do most of the options because they are too prideful for their professional life and career overall. They just have too much to lose they hold dear to.
Many such women's personal life is a wreck. But the majority of them try to act like it is all good.
@The_Shadow_Dweller yeah that’s true.
@haha456
I’m a very successful guy by the way. But this is a classic case of women not being able to handle the truth. Also we’re not hating on women or trying to bring them down but pointing out the reality. The best mothers and wives aren’t the career, hardworking ones. Being very hardworking is actually quite masculine for sure.
It’s the women that work a bit and are more homily and sweet by nature that men fall in love with. I’ve met successful women that try to compete with you and have a chip on their should like you. It’s that you repulse us, we’re not the problem. There’s natural balance in the universe.
What I want in a woman is smart as I will get the most value out of that relationship and be able to give all my value in it back. Yet this is insecure and all the dumb feminist garbage you come out with.
@Ceaeha @the_shadow_dweller
I actually do not have a chip on the shoulder. I'm one of the kindest, most humble person you will ever meet. I work in a profession where I sacrifice myself to serve others on a daily basis. I dedicate my life to saving lives. Though I am extremely educated, ambitious and intelligent, I am the furthest thing from arrogant, or selfish.
I also plan on having a baby within 5 years. Its always been a dream of mine. I can also afford to support my baby all on one income too.
You need to drop your mean stereotypes and quit bullying women who are smart and work hard.
You are probably going to be one of those single moms. I don't want to talk on that matter any further. You are all geared up for it. All the best to you for your pregnancy.
I know many girls that are amazing managers from my experience in their groups. I don't have anything against any kind of girl. It is the attitude that is problematic. Quit trying to be hypercompetitive. Who are you trying to surpass really?
I know that there is always someone above you in any given parameter. The gender does not matter to me. So, I guess you are wrong here.
I just find this one thing funny. You are 30. And you plan to have a baby in the next 5 years. Isn't that a bit too late? I mean, my whole family is in the health sector. That is why they want me to get married ASAP. Because they know the risks.
You are damaging the child for your selfishness. You don't seem to understand that the resources we use are actually borrowed from the future generations.
The resources need to go in good hands again. Not in the hands of damaged people.
I can almost guarantee that you will be micromanaging your child. And there will be no one stopping you.
Just think about the damage you will be doing.
Micromanaging is the one mistake that first time parents do even if unknowningly.
Both parents are important. One cannot teach the things other can. They can just try.
I think we are moving away from the question. The question was just about successful women. Let us go back there.
Put down your arguments point wise. Anything you feel.
Just tell me one good reason to feel threatened by you and your success.
The statements you made in your main opinion were just so radical in nature. And not only that, but some of the earlier responses as well.
Judging by your opinions and language overall, it is evident that you view the world in just two divisions. Rich and poor.
And you just did that one mistake that no old-money does. Or the one who listens and contemplates what the history has to say about this.
Why the heck would I look down on somebody I barely know. All I can do to an unknown person is to show the reality mirror!
You are just too much materialistic. Get a hold on yourself, mam.
Are you really in the health sector though? Because no person who sees death frequently would say that.
You are talking to the guy who's had two girls as his group leaders. And I actually got inspired by them. Both of them gave me directions.
So you are wrong on that.
I am misogynistic. Or so you say. I know what I am.
See, it is all about balance. You are trying to tip that balance in your favour by eliminating the man. It does not work like that.
It will be you who will suffer. Actually there is a census kind of survey, globally, that women are more prone to be violent, angry, and physical in any kind of argument.
Just don't fall in the line, is all I want to say.
You are earning six figures. That just tells me that you are probably an important person.
So think carefully before acting.
@The_Shadow_Dweller
I can afford to take nice luxury vacations, send my kid to the most elite schools, nurture my kid into one of the smartest adults ever, retire early, do whatever I want.
how am I more angry and sad than you?
its poor broke people who need to work 40 hours a week for the rest of their lives that are sad, miserable and angry.
Who said I had a family of my own. I am a student, mam.
And no, I am not broke. My monthly pocket money is worth someone's salary.
Believe what you wish to believe. And it is what it is.
I am not hating your success. Why would I do that? In fact if you look closely, I even complimented you for your success.
You brought this in yourself. Radical woman.
@haha456 if women don’t need you why get married and date?
You think anyone wants to be told that they are not needed?
Don’t forget marriages in the west fail at 70-80% all thanks to dumb progressive, modern beliefs you share. It’s dumb and it tears female-male relationships apart. People can’t hold relationships anymore because of modern brainwashing.
Men only care how pretty a woman is and how nice she is. That’s it. Nothing else matters. Is she pretty and is she really nice. What the fuck else do you want? A girls money is irrelevant and doesn’t even benefit you. I have to become rich on my own so I’d rather a pretty, loving women that is supportive over some career woman
@Saees
and what make you think that rich women are ugly? take a look at jennifer lopez, kim kardashian, beyonce, priyanka chopra, madonna, miley cyrus, selena gomez, jennifer aniston. these are older women who are at least 30-50 years old. are any of them old and ugly? rich women can afford to look hot as they get older cuz they can afford the best diets, personal trainers, plastic surgery, cometic procedures.
@haha456 by the way all the accounts apart from the shadow guy are mine. I always just dispose of the account.
Those women are old first off, not even married and probably lonely. Even selena can’t find a man and she’s an angel. Disgusting, terrible examples you brought up there like Kim k 🤮
Also, I’ll tell you a bit about me. I come from a very wealthy healthcare sector family…….. a dental family. I myself am almost a dentist and I’m going to takeover an empire of dental practices from my father and one day grow it to 100s of millions of pounds of wealth. So stop using this dumb insecure card, you’re just wrong about the world that’s it.
An overly career woman has her priorities wrong. Trying for IVF at that age is very risky, the success rate is low, not to mention all the heart ache etc. A smart woman would have her children in mid to late 20s like my sisters did who also are DENTISTS.
As a guy like me who’s literally got it all, I’m 6ft2, handsome and gonna be stinking rich one day. Do I want a career woman? I mean I would date a dentist for sure but I definitely don’t want her focus to be there. I want her focus to be on me and family.
So humble yourself. You’re no one special. Everyone in my family is a dentist even my sister’s husbands. Even my sisters were much smarter than you.
@haha456 I’m also 24 not what my profile says. I just make accounts so fast.
Another thing I want to mention is that when any woman encounters any difficulty in her life she will straight away run to a man.
It’s garbage. Women are constantly free to delude themselves and believe what they like.
@Ryanwls
[As a guy like me who’s literally got it all, I’m 6ft2, handsome and gonna be stinking rich one day. Do I want a career woman? I mean I would date a dentist for sure but I definitely don’t want her focus to be there. I want her focus to be on me and family.]
you're never going to be rich. once your looks run out by the time you hit 40, you will become the bottom of the barrel for girls. I like men in their prime like the tall handsome hunk in this picture. Not the ugly looking old man next to him.
twitter.com/.../1174746864098402304
@haha456 I swear on my mothers life I could be earning $500k by 30. I’m going to inherit a dental empire soon and grow it.
Also I’m already handsome. I have no hair loss in my family. I’m also working hard on my physique. I used to be skinny, now I’m muscly.
I am everything you would want in a guy hahaha. I also would only sign a prenup with a girl, or hide all my assets in a trust so no cow like you can try screw me up.
I swear on my mothers life my family is already worth around 10mill, I will grow it to 100mill.
You will never be rich or have a man like me.
Now that you know I’m telling you the truth. Look at how shit your life is hahah. You will never be at our level.
You’re 31 you old bag haha. You’re no longer attractive. Men don’t want you. An 18 year old will be prettier for way longer.
Men age like fine wine 🍷women age like milk.
You have nothing going for you like how I’m blessed by god.
@Creaat
I'm pretty sure you have no financail prospects. you can't even support a housewife. you're an insecure, unsuccessful asshole which explains why you're bitter and angry shitting on successful women over the internet.
No successful confident happy man shits on other successful happy confident people.
give it another 10 years, you will be at the bottom of the barrel with no girls going for you.
@Creaat
[Think about my opportunity. By just working really hard and building new practices in 10 years time I could be living like a billionaire. I will amass 100s of millions in wealth. That is decided. next year I will be trainee dentist and my journey will start.]
nobody believes this , dude. you just sound like a desperate broke dude trying ot make himself feel better about your own lack of success
Also most women hit the wall by 30. Your time is up.
Also men are most successful with women between 30-40.
At 25-30 is the early peak for men. I will still be getting my life more together before I ‘present’ myself to the dating market.
At 30 I want a girl 20-25, who’s hot and will be a good wife. that’s my plan.
@haha456 Mate, I’ve had more girls make weird approaches on me than I’ve made myself. I’m 24 as I keep saying.
You get no men. You’re 31 and single, you’re a fuck up.
there’s no way at 25 I’d date an old woman at 31 hahahah.
My sisters are 28,30 and both are married and have 1kid, 2kids and dentists. Look at you. They outcompeted you. They understand 30 is when women hit the wall
@haha456 very wrong. Women tend to want men a few years older than them. That’s what my experience has been. Men’s value actually increases with age as at 24 I’m no where near my potential I will be at at 28. In fact at 26/27 I could become a multi millionaire as my parents will let me inherit the businesses etc in efforts to reduce inheritance tax completely.
The average age for a man to have a child is 30-35 for women it’s 25-29. There’s your answer.
Your understanding of the world, is wrong and very twisted. A man can get donated eggs and do surrogacy with a woman.
You’re the loser. You’ve lost at life if your 31 and not gotten your act together. That’s laughable. Everyone will look down at you as you’ll have a kid through some donor.
No man wants you. You’re bitter as fuck. I bet you’re fat and ugly as it’s pretty woman wouldn’t get to 31 and fuck yo that bad unless they’re a whore.
@Xeras
single men can't have kids. you can't afford to hire a surrogate. It can can cost almost 500,000 to a million dollars to hire a surrogate, a pay for all the medical costs, bills, injections, ultrasounds, feed, paying for the surrogate's food all throughout those 9 moths, hospital stays, epidurals, nannies.
only single men die alone. single women do not have to die alone
I don't care. I will not be generalizing this. But yes, many high ranking people seem to have the God factor. The feeling of controlling.
Which does not work in many cases.
Another point is whether they are able to digest the success or not. Many are able to, and many are not as well. The sad thing here is, those who are able to digest the success get drowned by the bad reputations if those who cannot.
Doctor women/girls are awesome, it seems. They rarely try to avoid the natural obligations that have been or down in both men and women by the nature. At least that is my expereince.
It's really bad for women. Because the few men left they would find suitable to date just go with young bimbos. I mean that's what I do. I can't stand career women. It's nasty gross huge turn off. I literally only care about youth... can't be successful when you're young. Beauty... don't have time for the gym and eating more healthy meals if you're working all day. Pleasant... can't be pleasant when you're stressed and overworked... lastly available. A girl who has nothing going on and can fit in my schedule is much better than one busy working all the time.
So generally men aren't into that. Broke men love successful women but successful women hate broke men.
Hey I was successful and had an amazing man next to me.
In the future though, unless I fall for someone, I’ll just date younger guys, and have a child with some man who can ensure my child will have great genes.
Otherwise I don’t care much, I already had the love of my life, why can’t I take advantage of young hotties the way older men can do? I totally can and I totally will, if I don’t fall for someone close to my age.
Not really true by itself, if she can break one biological barrier she can try to break another. Ie first she sacrifice family for career, then she needs to sacrifice a good partner for a play thing that live of her, and she can get a family just not the one she wanted naturally. Who wins?, the company she worked for and it's share holders. So that is why it's promoted.
Given even highly successful women are just as intent to date up then it necessarily means the dating pool is smaller and that the men she could target likely have better options. On the sex object to success object spectrum men are likely go sex object as the women go success object.
A woman's wealth and success honestly mean very little to me personally.
Well if you follow the data it shows that women being really successful while good in some ways usually doesn't do women any favors and ends up hurting them in the long run.
I disagree with that.
Mainly because we have gift of free will. And we all make our choices. Being partner less doesn't make you "bitter", that's your amatonormative assumption.
And secondly, success is important for survival. Period. If you're threatened by that... Invent a time machine and go back to the good old days. Conservative times, ah.
It is great if a woman is successful. Her status with men, I don’t really care to consider. Men preferences are a huge issue anyways that’s full of unrealistic sexist views, why should smart women care about that. Those types of men are better off getting with self hating women like republicans
Between men and women, men are the ones who become bitter and dangerous when they don’t get maids out of women and sex. Women on the other hand are safe and happy. Single life for most women isn’t bitter at all. What’s wrong with women are men like you
Its compulsory for a woman to be successful. She dont need a men to tell her where to or where to not go, what to do and what not to do. He will choose a man that obeys her and will be obliged to respect her. He will not abuse her and will not supress her. She will not be oblige to listen each and every nonsense came out of his mouth like a poor woman do.
You assume a successful woman can't date less successful men? Just because she is hardwired to select only more successful men? Do you really think a successful woman is successful because she is retarded?
He is working based on the commonly known behaviour.
But you are right.
In the real world, "successful" career women either only pursue the ultra-successful men that they usually can't keep, OR they pursue good-looking younger guys who use them for their money. Either way, they are rarely happy in their relationships.
You are absolutely right in that they COULD date men on or even below their level, but this almost never happens long-term. Between their hypergamy always telling them that there is someone better, and social pressure from their female friends who all want the ultra-successful men, very few can pull it off. That's just the world we live in.
Sure why not? If you've recently heard that guys tend to steer away from successful women from some guy, or YouTube video, that answer isn't quite right.
They steer away from this who come home and don't turn off the masculine traits that are generally necessary for women to move up the career ladder. It's hard for many to revert back to o the feminine roll many men desire
I don't see why it can't be good to be very successful at your career and dreams.
Women that are doctors, teachers, lawyers, politicians etc are married and doing fine.
The problem only comes if a person in this case a woman neglects her family, children and husband otherwise its fine.
Despite what you said in another comment "It messes her dating life and her ability to life a functional life as a woman and procreate which her natural evolutionary path" It's her choice if she wanna take that path and if she's happy with it, good for her. It's only gonna hurt her if she wanted a functional life as a woman and procreate which her natural evolutionary path after all.
I think it's good for anyone to work towards success. But with women it depends if the stay grounded. Women have a tendency to EXPECT a guy to produce twice as much as her. 50k is pretty do-able. But 100k is more challenging. Yet if she makes 50 she expects him to make 100, 100 she expects him to make 200, and so on. So if she doesn't stay grounded in reality. She'll make herself miserable with her increasingly unattainable expectations.
If a man is intimated by a woman's success HE'S the one with the problem and a big one at that.
Corporations are not looking for decent human beings. You get awarded no points for being one in the corporate world. What corporations are looking for in a person is not what an individual is looking for. Nobody loves a Corporate Dickhead.
A women's success would only matter to insecure men.
Its good for women to be successful just as for men 🤷🏻♀️ dont be unfair
It certainly beats women, who are gold diggers or use/marry men for money/stability.
Lol again it has to be said. Ladies most men dont give a shit about your career or goals. You acting like it's something men should care about is only going to turn them off. Men and women look for different things in a partner
it seems your definition of "success" exclusively means "making money". is that right?
Sounds like someone got rejected
It's her own choice to limit her dating pool like that or not, so I wouldn't feel bad for her over it.
I don't care if she's successful. If she doesn't enjoy watching anime clips on YouTube, I won't consider that woman as girlfriend material.
It depends: if her success is due to giving head to powerful guys, she'll remain a hottie. What you say is valid when she's a career off her capacity at work
Yes I would like to find a very successful educated dominant woman for a FLR and I could be her sub.
It hurts her because it's not in a woman's nature to provide for a family. So if she makes $500k a year what good is that doing anybody but her self?
Successful women want successful wealthy men. But wealthy successful men want younger less successful women.
The definition of success is wrong.
What do you believe ks the correct one?
@The_Shadow_Dweller "Success is the progressive realization of a worthy goal or ideal" - Earl Nightingale.
They don't. All they ever want is to fuck.
Of course. Why not? <3
Damn!!! man almost half people agree
I think it can hurt some
It's good. You're just butthurt.
Good for her not for her relationships
Yes, why wouldn't it be.
It messes her dating life and her ability to life a functional life as a woman and procreate which her natural evolutionary path
No they belong in the kitchen
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