There is a negative stereotype that men are slower to grow up and mature when it comes to how they treat the opposite gender.
Personally I know I think and react differently towards women in general compared to how I was in my teens and early 20s. I am more careful about the comments I make, refrain better from starring too long (if she’s attractive), I communicate better if I am interested or not, I make better thought out decisions and I handle rejection better (and reject others better) compared to the younger version of myself
I also know most women hate the feeling of “being used and/or lied to for sex.” If it’s a hook up or fling I’ll be open about my true intentions even if it costs me want. Not to say I was a liar when I was younger. But years ago I would stay tight lipped if I just wanted one thing when the other girl was thinking we would get in a relationship. In retrospect I recognize that was wrong. Nowadays I don’t give false hope.
That of course doesn’t mean I’m perfect. I will continue to make mistakes. However I am more cognizant of how the other gender thinks now. I also am less likely to get caught off guard if a bad gut sense about something.
With that said I’ve have unfortunately encountered a lot of grown ass women in their 30s and even older that still show blatant immaturity. The worse example is how some of them still play dumb if a guy is interested (and woman isn’t) to exploit the friéndzone for attention and benefits.
I would think a grown woman would know better than to do that. It’s not a sex issue but a respect issue. The guy has only so much time, resources and patience to stick his neck out.
He can handle rejection but being friendzoned is extremely insulting. He will usually figure it out faster than a young man and when he does he will feel exploited.
Just meeting older woman who still believe in this crap is insane.
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Women. But not really because men don't mature. It's because they start off mature. Men treat women well from the get-go. Women on the other hand are very immature. They have to learn what there mother tries to tell them from day 1. That prince charming seldom is the hottest guy. a lot of women won't realize this till thier best years. are behind them though. Then they fight an uphill battle. Even if they have matured by this point.
Interesting insight.
I do know one thing: both men and women desire to be respected. Men often tolerate disrespect from
women because of how modern has brainwashed them. To a certain extent we got to deal with female
emotional thinking which can be very unfair (older women still struggle with this). However after the woman calms down she will own up to her crap IF she respects us.
Some young men are very disrespectful towards women but usually have to answer for it as they get older. They definitely get less leeway for this as they age. They also get are forced to understand female psychology. It doesn’t matter if they find the woman valuable or not. They are smacked into understanding and respecting them.
However from what I’ve noticed women only care about respecting men if there is something in it for them (attraction, money, attention, benefits, social optics, etc).
But if a woman decides a man can’t offer things (yet he still a decent guy) then he is now expendable and she will exploit/disrespect him with little or no guilt. I don’t see women maturing into understanding the principle of respect the same way men do.
Older men are more likely to be respectful to women regardless if he values the woman or not (as long as he knows she is an otherwise decent person).
That's becaus3 women use a completely different rulebook then men. Men filter everything through logic while women filter it through emotion. A man's worth will ALWAYS be dictated by how he makes her feel. Not what he actually does. Yes you're right men are FORCED to understand this about women or they'll always be playing a losing game. But the best women KNOW that they do this. The best women at least TRY to curb it. I always say ALL women have a little crazy in them. But the good ones realize it and make an effort to at least curb it.
I believe women are naturally more selfish/conceited then men because there was a time in history they had to be for self perseveration. They had to use emotions/manipulation to get what they needed and they depended on men to provide for them. Mother mature enabled them to feel less guilt about this.
Nowadays in modern “equal” society that is no longer necessary. However at a DNA level women haven’t evolved out of this. That’s why we see so much hyprocrisy when they preach about “gender equality” but still demand to be treated like their special.
I agree there are still some good women out there. But as you said it’s not like they don’t have this innate problem yet they can acknowledge it and control it. That takes mental effort for them though.
I like the way I said it better. Because as I said, "everything gets filtered to a woman's feelings". She may actually be a good woman but because of this she can still FEEL she's right even though logic dictates she's dead wrong. For example she has a bad dream that her man cheated on her. She wakes up and is mad at him all day because he cheated on HER in HER dream.😆 she knows this is nonsense but she still feels betrayed. Because those G*ddamn feelings of hers lie to her and make it real in her mind. This is where a lot of guys being the logical beings we are just learn to accept a lot this nonsense. We apologize for things we know we didn't do and reassure her (within reason). Because we know she's a woman. So she automatically stunted logically.
This is why the best advice I can give ANY GUY when choosing a woman for a partner. Is see how apologetic she is for her "craziness". A good woman will know she's has a little craziness. A bad woman will NEVER admit to her craziness. A bad woman will ALWAYS have an excuse for it, push blame for it, or justify it. A woman who accepts her craziness and apologizes for it is capable of compromise. Which is relationships in a nutshell. A bad woman is not capable of it.
Well the issue I have is modern society is forcing men to change for women and many of us adhere to these expectations (whether we should or not). However women are unwilling to change for men.
Men can’t get away with the excuse that we are cheaters, violent, emotionally callus, etc just because we “are men” and our brains are wired differently. Nobody will accept that (nor should they). Society had pressured us to change and many of us have.
But not only have women not changed for men but many of them have gotten even worse when it comes to lack of emotional control. Society is telling them to “follow their heart” into pure conceit.
Now again this isn’t about all women. But this is the challenge men are facing today. And yes you are right about seeing a if a woman apologized or not when all is said and done.
This was my acid test for a grown women (year older than me) who pulled some crap on me a few years ago. The irony was I was more patient with her then most younger women because I thought I might be just paranoid. I gave her time to think about it but she never apologized. Then one day I brought it up to her and she not only refused to apologize but tried to gaslight me. At moment I made my decision to cut her off for good and I did. Never looked back.
But being older she got better at being sneaky with her crap vs owning up to it. It was depressing.
I'll agree with the spirit of that. I do think most men have forgotten what it means to be a man. Society can say whatever it likes. A man doesn't ask society to approve of him, nor a woman either. A man just IS. A man's role is service to a woman. But ONLY a woman has EARNED it. If men get together stop simping, stop kow towing to women. And just fulfill the role that they were intended, this problem would fix itself. And yes that might mean a lot of men and women go single for quite a while. Until this happens this problem is likely to persist. I can't fix it by myself but I won't be part of it.
Well statically there are a lot more single men nowadays. I theorize it’s a combination of unrealistic expectations from women, females being intentionally single and men having no direction (immature yes but society is marginalizing men).
I am currently in that growing bachelor category. This is not what I really want and it can be very depressing at times. However I rather be lonely and have self respect vs. simping/kissing women’s ass’s. The latter group of guys aren’t happy anyway and they are likely to get dumped/divorced.
But single-hood rates are statistically up. www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ared-just-30-women.html
This article blamed porn, end of traditional male roles, etc. But pew research (which is a left leaning organization) conveniently left out what modern feminism has done. Women are the gatekeepers of relationships and sex. Their “standards” are a major contributor to all this.
Women dont respect most men. But men still have common decency for women and respect women more
The problem is most western women don’t even understand what respect is. They think likeability IS respect. It’s not.
There was time in history where women had to be more selfish and conceited then men for survival purposes. They had limited options hundreds of years ago so they had to rely on manipulation and relationships for self preservation.
Nowadays in our “equal” society women no longer have to depend on men for survival purposes. That might be nice and all but many women haven’t evolved out of their engrained selfishness. They don’t even realize it most of the time. It’s at a DNA level.
Neither, each individual changes in their own way
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