I'm far from knowing enough men to understand what they want, even counting superficial knowledge of men, I really can't find any legit generalization. And even if I found one, that generalization would apply to my sphere, but my sphere is a sphere of a sphere of a sphere etc. So, men, no idea what men are or want. No idea either what Man is in general. It's too far from my understanding.
I'm on the same tracks Nathan is using though, leagues? I don't see leagues around me, I see personalities, and/or profile types I'm anticipating. For example, I have no bridge possible with any woman attracted to status or money, because it is a materialistic profile that has nothing to do with my profile. Plus, it is a profile navigating in social classes having nothing to do with my worldviews, so we're both living on different planets, permanently separated social spaces. We may be both aware of our theoretical existence, but we simply can't meet for sociological reasons. And even if we met, we would have nothing to say because we would be alien to each other. I really can't afford a shallow relationship, it was satisfying for me at 16 yes, but 2 decades later it's just become an impossibly boring relation model.
Not in my world, our personality, in the sense of our tastes and distastes, values and views is not randomly determined. It has a social significance and a social relation to the circles we belong to, that is, if you believe in the findings of sociology. I do, and as such I see the tribes/circles/social classes anyway you name them, they impact what I do, who I meet and where I go.
You don't know a woman's personality just by looking at them. You approach the woman you find most beautiful then learn her therefore there are leagues. Men will not approach a woman they do not find beautiful
Firstly, before you decide who is in who's league, be sure you understand what makes women valuable to men, and what makes men valuable to women. What makes women valuable to men is not just their looks, although that is much more important to men than it is to women and probably the primary factor, but also various other things, such as how slutty she acts (risk of cuckolding), and also how much of a pain in the ass she is, as a lot of uppity feminist types are these days. On top of that, the primary thing that a man is there for, the sex, is often used as a bargaining chip by some women which makes them even less appealing. So there's a lot more to it than just looks on one side and money on the other, and also a lot of women get an inflated sense of their own value because of the attention that they get on social media and dating apps, without realizing that men are much much much less selective than they are and will drool at practically anything with a decent waste to hip ratio.
Aaaaahh, good analogy. Yes I've noticed looks get the man's attention but how long the relationship last has many factors. I do feel with pretty women men fo put up with a lot more bs than if she were unattractive even though the man will still eventually leave the pretty girl who doesn't have a personality, intellect, no hobbies etc
Yes, and again, women very often these days have inflated sense of their value, partly because of the attention as I said above, also because they have an absurd 15th wave feminist culture telling them that they have practically infinite value simply by virtue of having a vagina. I once saw a woman on social media saying "the bar is practically on the floor" and I was like uhhhh, for what? For a fat fuck man hating blob, perhaps. But for an actually attractive woman who has maintained some semblance of femininity, these are like rare gems now and have a very very very high price.
The idea of leagues is one of the dumbest ideas anyone can buy into. Nobody is superior or inferior to another. Imagine buying into the idea that someone is superior or inferior to you... If someone rejects you or you reject someone, that simply means you both were not in harmony with one another. You can be with someone you think is beautiful. You just have to find someone who is in harmony with you. Not all women, who you find beautiful, only date rich men.
In this lifetime, there are leagues hun. Sorry to tell you this, and this is how men rate women in terms of attractiveness and women rate men in terms of finances. For example you, if you're not beautiful, fit, well groomed and man will not bat an eye at you nor approach you. But if you're beautiful he will approach you. Don't be so naive you're a bit too old for that
A large majority of men think this concept of irrational standards as "preference" (height it not a measure of a man's ability to protect), wealth (can be fleeting and suggests motives other than companionship as a reason for attraction: Gold digger), ambition (constant desire to progress in the corporate sense will take them away from family more and is back to front for someone seeking a partner). SO yeah, men see a lot of this as bullshit so will shoot their shot at those who THEY find attractive and take the L because women can't handle the challenge of potential rejection.
What is "out of your league? Men would beat most women at any sport, probably stronger in any physical activity, quicker at all sorts, fix more things more quickly... what is "out of your league" meaning? If it's a vanity based subjective notion about who's got the same level of style and rizz then that's a vapid notion to begin with and some people need to get over that obsession with looks.
Women are told from birth they are beautiful, pretty, gorgeous and even into their adult years they're all an 8 to 10 so should be expecting the 9/10 partner in life only to get used by the Chad and Tyronne types who they throw themselves at but get used and dumped with broken hearts then they have this view of men as bastards who use women and dump them for their gratification. Ignorance of the nature of mating these women ignore the "league" that they're told exists that they're in the Premier division of while most men aren't. Delusion follows.
This doesn't happen with men because they HAVE to have something to just get noticed by the self proclaimed 8-10 women and if they don't they're given short shrift and reminded to "stay in their lane" by the 8-10s. The ones who do (not all men do) have the looks, cash, prestige, charm, etc., get the girls (8-10s and below but never tell them this) and treat them like conquests.
SO how this league is perceived depends on which gender you're part of. The 8-10 gender or the other one.
Yep those are definitely lies women are told as a child "that they are beautiful " when a lot of them are not. This is why you see so many women that are rejected by men stalking men's social media and going psycho because they don't want to believe they're ugly
Who can or fix this though? Girls are also told that "men are bad" and only after access to your privates so treat them with disgust and disdain (except the good looking ones who will bring you compliments, goodies, say sweet things and are good looking, they're different and will give you your desires.
If we're being honest, the majority of both genders try to date out of their league. They just do it for different reasons.
Lots of men prioritize physical attractiveness as highly desireable, and thus go after women are physically in a league above them.
Women generally prioritize financial status as more highly desireable, and thus go after the upper percentage of men that make the money they are looking for.
The problem then becomes broke guys going after hot women, and average women going after rich guys. Many guys overestimate their value, just as many women overestimate their attractiveness.
Hot girls, and rich guys, both have a far wider selection of potential suitors than the majority of the people pursuing them will ever have, because most people of both genders aren't realistic about their chances of attracting the person they pursue.
" if we are being honest , the majority of both genders they to date out of their league" - that's why I said I'm discussing women next post lol. Cause they have this issue too and get mad when they're addressed
Crap, didn't even realize I hit "anonymous". Stupid phone. I fixed it. 🙂
Yeah, I did see that you had planned to discuss women next, so I apologize for that. I just have a bad habit of trying to be inclusive, so I usually list both sides in my answers, especially when discussing the perceived negatives of a particular gender.
That way nobody can accuse me of being sexist. Like, "Nope; I'm not bashing just one, 'cause we all suck."
I don't think thats a healthy mindset to begin with, its about compatibility. You can try your shot if you think your compatible with someone and then its up to her to judge if that compatibility exists or not. Different people want different things so I only see league/desirability as a general doesn't matter if she rejects its a long shot thing you can then console yourself with if you tried your shot with a highly desirable girl. But the reality is that ill probably reject people who think they are above my "league", and i'd be rejected by people who i'd think are below my league. Because ultimately it doesn't align with my internal judgement, compatibility is to complex for that.
It's reality despite it being healthy or not but I see your point. I'm not saying don't approach a woman. You can approach her and based on her response to you it will tell you of you're in her league but let's be honest. Men judge this way because how would
Not exactly, but your highlighting the problem I do have. I don't approach based on looks because I assume the majority of women aren't compatible with me on a personality level since the kind of personality I seek is unfortunately a minority. So I end up not approaching randomly unless I had a glimpse of her personality.
You won't be talking like this for long. Trump's Project 2025 will put women back in their place soon.
It's your body men's choice. Trump will put an end feminism and you will learn your place in society. Men don't have any questions they already understand and are desensitized to all your BS. Which is why they have no sympathy for you.
Ken Paxton and other men are in charge of women's bodies now. Women abused men for decades and now Trump won and they will feel what men went through all these decades.
0
0 Reply
Anonymous
(45 Plus)
24 d
To my I knowledge men usually don’t go outside of their “league.” Men are more in tune w reality as far as what we look like. It seems to be women who have over inflated egos especially w social media. Women get likes on their list of them in a swimsuit or dressed in revealing clothes then their egos inflate. Now they think they can get whatever man they want. But they fail to realize a majority of these men don’t want to commit to you, they just want to plow your field. Women are actually more narcissistic than men. I’m not denying there are some men who don’t try, but to me in my experience it seems more like women. I’ve worked in a female dominated field for the last 9 years. Listening to their stories, the amount of delusion is unreal. But you can’t tell them that cause they get their feelings hurt then next thing you know you’re in the principal’s office.
The men I know look at that good-looking woman for more than a few seconds, but they have a common sense that she is not for them. They are happy with their simple girl walking alongside them shoulder to shoulder. I only look for a girl who is down to earth and not in the sky. Honestly, I don't measure anyone by leagues. I also don't automatically look at well-dressed women because I don't want to meet their expectations and neither do I want to do that
And men wanting beautiful women to be with isn't a problem but bitching about is.
I agree some men should have realistic expectations when trying to date a beautiful women when they can't match her physical look wise nor have the sufficient money to attract a woman that's looking to live off his blood and sweat in luxury.
Absolutely agree, I have the same question for women in my other post. I had to delete some because they can dish it but can't take it where as the men seem to responded better when asked about their standards lol 😆
Well, women consider 80% of men to be "unattractive", 15 % to be "average", and only about 5% to be "attractive".
Women have "standards" to which they would never hold themselves, which is what really pisses men off. You want the world but offer very little in return.
This notion that men only chase women out of their league is hilarious. Men chase after all kinds of women. Social media however has made a lot of women think they're 8's or 9's due to all the attention and validation they get online. Because of that, they don't want men who are on their level. Ironically they feel they deserve a man who's outta their league in terms of money, status and looks
everyone knows she is a model... and never was a top at it
so even at that, definitely not top of her "league"
leagues as described on the superficial level, are not a thing... no
what I like about women, does not correlate to looks as a priority, personally I am way more attracted to more personal traits and character, looks do matter as well, yes they do... but they're still secondary
and on that you don't know a thing about the women I've been in relationships with, lol... where they all very good looking? yes they were... was their looks part of the equations, yes it was
but it was never the deciding factor, and especially them... they didn't make it about the "looks and the leagues" or how much money I had in the bank... that's the nonsense part
I am not talking top model. Her looks alone has gotten her with very successful wealthy men and has opened doors for her. So yes league's are a thing ans I don't think you know what league means. Her looks are out of the average man's league. An average guy cannot get a woman like melania
What u like about a woman does correlate to looks because you're approaching a woman based on how she looks. A random woman in the store you know nothing about her so league's exist lol my point
in fact, I never needed to date around... the first person I met and wanted to be in a relationship went into relationships with me, because they also wanted it with me
so no, I don't even need to worry about that... most of my ex-girlfriends approached me in the first place because they were into me for who I am and what I am
and then I was in those relationships for years at the time, so again, no... I don't have a need to date around, that's just how it went for me
" What u like about a woman does correlate to looks because you're approaching a woman based on how she looks. A random woman in the store you know nothing about her so league's exist lol my point "
first, I did not approach them... they approached me
second... they knew more about me, before they approached me, it was not just my looks, YES they were interested and intrigued very much because of my looks, that did play a part... but they didn't approach me then because of first impressions, they only approached when they knew better about my personality and my character, not before
and looks are good for nothing without the personality and the character and the many other substantial traits that make a relationship work, and people to be actually happy
I never had a failed relationship... like Brad and Angelina did, if looks were the priority and the measure for happiness and success in love, if those two failed miserable then nobody else has a chance on this earth
Halle Berry also walked straight into hellish relationships... her looks would never save her from that
I don't believe in "leagues." I'm just interested in women I find attractive. If that's wrong because I don't make over 100k per year, then fuck me i guess. Im just evil
That's the problem, and I'm glad you stated this. Women who are highly attracted, meaning (beautiful, well groomed, and dressed) spend a lot of money to look the way they do. They're not going to settle (lower) themselves to men who can not afford them. If that makes sense.
Basically yes , low maintenance women aka the pick mes that are just happy to have a man look in their direction will settle UNLESS... She is highly educated. If she's a highly educated woman she's most likely hiding her wealth publicly through dressing down and no she will not settle either
Doesn't matter to me honestly. I'll still talk to anyone who is attractive in my eyes. If they don't like me, that's that. If they do like me, I don't really need other people telling me that we shouldn't date each other. That's just my two cents, but if it's really bothering y'all that much, come up with a better way to persuade me, a broke low value male who only makes 85k, to stop talking to women that look good.
Yes, I think a lot of men think they can bag the beyonces, rihannas , melania trumps of the world yet can't afford them and don't look remotely as attractive as these women. Then when these womens standards are high they're pissed yet they set themselves up for failure
Holidays 
Girl's Behavior 
Guy's Behavior 
Flirting 
Dating 
Relationships 
Fashion & Beauty 
Health & Fitness 
Marriage & Weddings 
Shopping & Gifts 
Technology & Internet 
Break Up & Divorce 
Education & Career 
Entertainment & Arts 
Family & Friends 
Food & Beverage 
Hobbies & Leisure 
Other 
Religion & Spirituality 
Society & Politics 
Sports 
Travel 
Trending & News 
