Girls don't like good guys, they sleep with bad, dishonorable guys. is that true?

[samet7777]

[SteveSmith1985]

Not true. But some girls are like that. Most aren't. Usually, the bad guy seemed like he was a good guy for the first while. There aren't too many women who are into guys who are of the "bad" or "dishonorable" type. There is definitely a type of woman who does. It's something I don't understand. They don't understand. It reminds me more of a drug addiction. They realize it's bad, but are drawn to guys like that anyway. I think its unhealthy. I think its related to unresolved issues (although I can't say I have any idea what those issues are exactly.)

It's the equivalent of the small number of guys who are into girls who are shitty people. Most guys aren't into that at all. A certain type of guy is all about girls like that. Same thing essentially.

[Hghhhhhhhhhh]

It’s usually girls who were hurt by men at a young age. She probably grew up around sleazy guys or at least dated one early on, so she just thinks that kind of behavior is normal. She probably won’t see the pattern until she’s had a chance to grow from her experience. That being said, if the woman herself is a dirtbag, it’s not really surprising that she’d be attracted to guys who share her (lack of) values. It’s hard to say the exact reason for given woman without getting to know her, but most of the time she is not seeking those traits on a conscious level

[SteveSmith1985]

@Hghhhhhhhhhh

I agree with you. I've just been hesitant to chalk it up to the first sleazy guy. I've noticed that there doesn't seem to be a common thread insofar as early relationships with men (father, boys at school, brothers etc.). But it might indeed just be the first sleazy guy's fault. It just seems like it has to be earlier than that for someone's view of normal to be so skewed. I could be wrong about that for sure though.

It is indeed impossible to say for all women (even for any particular woman). I think you are bang-on when you said that she is not seeking those traits on a conscious level. That is exactly right.

[Hghhhhhhhhhh]

There can be a few different scenarios, but basically she was taught in some way for some reason to think men are just “like that” and it’s not worth even asking for better treatment. Keep in mind that just because her father/brother/whoever seem perfectly nice doesn't mean they didn’t harm her in some way. You’re right the damage would have to be done pretty early. I’ve met a lot of these women and they’re always so surprised when their scumbag boyfriends turn out to be bad news. They genuinely have no idea why they’re attracting the same type of men over and over and usually don’t see the red flags until it’s too late. It’s sad really

[SteveSmith1985]

@Hghhhhhhhhhh

I’m trying to figure out how to cope with not fully knowing or believing it and learning how to accept it because my brain is really stuck on it and my ruminations turn into a crisis situation.

[Hghhhhhhhhhh]

It’s okay. The damage had been done and the situation is not within your control. I could be a factor we didn’t even think of. Those things are so complicated and even if you got an idea you would still have to ask her to know for sure. You did the best you could and it is out of your hands

[SteveSmith1985]

@Hghhhhhhhhhh oh I don't blame myself for not fixing someone. I just find it sad that someone ends up with a bunch of shitty guys. I'll always tell people what I think. They don't always listen. I'm ok with that. (most of the time). Don't worry, I'm not feeling any guilt over here.

[samet7777]

With such women, only sex is allowed, no serious relationships are possible.

[Shiprex]

I think girls who aren't mature (in spite of the world telling us all they mature faster than boys, they don't MENTALLY) and the notion of excitement and intrigue as well as the rollercoaster of emotional discovery the "bad guy" brings is what gives some women a thrill. They believe the hype they are strong and he will change for them but seldom does it do this.

Good guys on the other hand don't always get a chance because the aesthetic STILL has a strong lure for women and the artificial "patriarchal" TALLER/BIGGER/MUSCULAR etc., men security thing is sad throwback to romantic stories told over generations to young girls who get it into their head that men are a sum of their size and not their character.

[Amy10223]

I agree with your first papragraph, not sure I understand your second one.

[Shiprex]

@amy10223
There is still largely, among women, a preconception that the short, bald, out of shape, quiet, reserved (not nerdy) etc., guy is not appealing to them. They don't see them as viable dating partners so don't give them a "test drive" unless they have something particular that stands out. The notion that the idea of preferences are still largely based on physical traits that automatically cuts off a huge proportion of guys to women that they end up going through loads of unsuitable (but matched appearance "preferences") guys who weren't bad guys just not good enough that it jades their view of men so the next men they meet have even greater challenges to overcome to make them sweet and interested in something long term, is what the second paragraph is about. Men aren't the ones who control the access to initial connection, that's wholly women and when there's so many hurdles to overcome, it's taxing and uninviting when the need to pass the next test becomes no longer worth it.

[Amy10223]

I kind of agree with this statement. Women like the confidence that men who don't care about things seem to give off; it is attractive and even sexy. A no care-attitude or a man who jokes a lot and doesn't; seem attracted to you, is what attracts women. I think many of us don't like the good guy who wants to smother you with their goodness, attention and love. To me at least, that is not appealing. I want the man who is hard to catch, and as you say, I want to tame him. It's better for me to fight for someone than to welcome another who I already have in a sense.

[samet7777]

Women do not have intelligence and reason. I am an honest person. I never play games and I do not talk too much.

[Amy10223]

I beg to differ with you. There are plenty of women with high intelligence. They are intelligent enough to avoid the men they dislike for whatever reason.

[Hghhhhhhhhhh]

No. Girls like guys who treat us well. Some girls like the bad boy aesthetic, but many don’t. If anything, I’d say most of us prefer someone who is more of a traditional good guy. The idea that we’re specifically attracted to people who are bad for us is just not true

[samet7777]

no ı dont think

[Hghhhhhhhhhh]

Why not? Can you explain?

[Anonymous]

It's primarily true. Women are attracted to confidence. And to a woman that doesn't understand what true healthy confidence is, will fall for false bravado. And most douchebags have false bravado in spades. If these women had poor male role models in her formative years she isn't going to know what real man looks and acts like.

[samet7777]

Women have no intelligence

[Opinion Owner]

It just seems that way. Everything they think is filtered through emotion. And most women allow thier feelings to override thier logic. Which is why she ends up with all the "relationship" problems she does. To put it simply, she may know logically the guy is full of s*** but she loves the feeling she gets from his bull💩.😆
We as guys when we look for partners need to eliminate the women who do not control thier emotions. Because these types of women never grow out of this schoolgirl behavior. And when you have kids, she will just be one more kid to take care of. And worse still, she'll be the model of womanhood for your daughters and sons.

[Hellraiser1984]

Yes. Then they claim they want a good man after they get cheated on and beat up. But go straight back to him or another abusive guy. So basically if you are a good guy and would be a good husband completely forget about dating and women

[samet7777]

I will only fuck women, women really have no intelligence

[AnonAndrew]

No, it's not even remotely true. Most girls prefer good guys.

But if the good guy is much less attractive, or too passive/cowardly, then sure, they'll sleep with the "bad" guys.

Also a lot of the "good" guys are really just passive, and think that makes them good. It doesn't.

[slatyb]

They love good guys. They don't love the guys that pretend to be good but who are really just trying to trade favors for sex.

[PeachyPie93]

They generally don't but most douche bags are better looking than the "Nice guy"

[exitseven]

Some girls are really like that. i attribute it to low self esteem. I could never understand it.

[serious]

Yes, it is generally very true.

[samet7777]

ı will fuck girls only ı won't be nice guy

[serious]

@samet7777

It is a saying that nice guys always finish last. However, the truth is nice guys are never in the race itself so there is no question of them finishing in any place.

[samet7777]

I'm just gonna fuck the girls, no need to be nice