Obviously I don't lol but feel free to share if you do. Also sorry about the the memes but they made me laugh.
No I dont
Yes. Because... reasons
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I'm suprised the majority of women don't think they are valid degrees.
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Do you consider Gender and Women's studies are valid degrees to be studied at College?
It's a valid degree. There's just not much of a job market for it. It's the same as why I decided to switch from physics to a doible major in physics and computer science. Physics is a valid degree but the job market is a lot smaller than computer science. I don't see the point of going into a degree that has small job market and then complain that you can't really use your degree anywhere.
I see a gender studies degree more useful if it goes along with another degree. Kind of like how I see math as a good second degree or something to pair with in a double major. Don't get me wrong, I think knowing mathematics is one of the most important and useful things that you could know but it's more or less is better used to support a lot of other skills. Though the differenc ebetween math and gender studies is that I'm pretty sure a math degree alone can open more doors than a gender studies degree alone.
Gender Studies I kind of see like the arts. Yeah it's good and useful to study, thouh I wouldn't go to university for it (animation may be an acception for the arts if you know you have an in somewhere). Also I feel like the arts, and gender studies is somehting that could be learned at home and also you don't need a degree to open doors (just a lot of luck).
Honestly, I think its valid for gender studies to be a valid major. HOWEVER, some of the facts used in gender studies are actually heavily flawed. The gender studies field is a relatively new field and a branch of sociology, psychology, etc. The studies need to be heavily challenged and critiqued. Any changes in the academic community for research never reach to the public or education until 3-5 years later. This means... The current text book of knowledge for women studies can be thrown out the door in the academic field while the public is fed with this bs. However, the public has been proven to be heavily ignorant on the subject matter.
I mean I can go on all day of how contradicting some things are said by SOME proclaimed feminists. However, the general idea of feminism has been tainted by the negative stereotype that generally only represents a small percentage of the community.
Also, I hear this argument a lot. "this doesn't happen to me." I mean, I laugh at this comment a lot. What people don't understand is how the population communicates on different multiple levels. In the school of communication, they recognize these levels: international communication, national communication, group to group interaction, group self interaction, individual to individual interaction, self interaction, etc (I know I'm missing a few more).
From my last point, what I'm trying to say is.. The overall set is international interaction > national, group to group, individual to individual, self interaction, etc etc. Yes it may not happen to you but it could happen to some one else. If it happens a lot then there's a problem. Hence why gender studies need to exist to sort these issues.
1) if you plan to teach it at the university/college level; 2) if you plan to combine it with hr training.
at my university, you're only allowed to take a limited # of wgst courses as electives toward your degree.
at some point, the people who take these courses will get to the real world and realize that
1) people don't care about your feelings, and 2) you wasted your time because your degree has no practical application, beyond the scenarios i mentioned above.
i took sociology last term to fill a degree requirement, staying far away from political science and wgst. but he had this feminist sjw in our class who started an all-out war... she was in my discussion group as well; i called her out on many dunderheaded statements she made, and the rage was so delicious it shouldn've been fattening.
If we don't study the accomplishments of women, we get the idea that they have never accomplished anything, and then we begin to believe that women are worthless apart from being baby factories. Marie Curie, who discovered radiation (and died for her contributions to science) was never properly acknowledged until women's studies became a thing. Ada Lovelace is the mother of modern computing, we still use her algorithms, and yet she has not been acknowledged as such.
It's valuable, in the way that all study of history is valuable. It's just that women are getting a hand in writing it now.
Yes but as a woman in STEM what would be your chances of finding employment with only a gender or women's studies degree, I don't disagree that these things should be studied I just personally don't think they are worth the price of a college education and the years spent studying them. Sure if your a privledged aristocrat like Ada Lovelace and also happen to be a genius you don't have to worry about paying for your education or putting bread on the table.
@Bryanwoodfire I mean i know so many people working in fast food joints five years after college, like what was the point. I mean what kind of job can a gender/womens get you, maybe there are too many doing it.
I never said it was my question merely asked "Do you consider Gender and Women's studies are valid degrees to be studied at College?". You didn't have to answer and I have a right to ask after all this isn't a fascist state.
astoriana do you really think those are the only accomplished women I know then you are mistaken I was only providing the first example that popped into my mind because she's a really good example
I have the most normal school, no crazy sjw bullshit, in central Europe. We were taught about Marie Curie in chemistry and physics and about Ada Lovelace ("the first programmer") in English and I think History as well.
It's not because of sexism that we aren't taught about women as much. It's because for quite some times it was very unusual for women to largely participate in science.
@BornIntoThis I'm an engineering student in my masters year and there are genuinely no female students. Engineers make the world turn, not my fault no females
@yucel_eden if the culture of engineering is hostile to women, very few will go into it in favour of something more welcoming. I am lucky to have a supportive union and a supportive family. Most others are not.
@BornIntoThis which one of us actually knows what they're talking about? The undergrad with no worldly experience? Or the engineer with two degrees actually working in the field? Hmm... I wonder.
Literally quoting my union rep on why less than 30% of female engineering grads are licensed engineers by the age of 30: there is not enough support for women in STEM.
Ad Hominem all the way! I don't have a degree, therefore what I say is wrong! Well done Ms. Engineer, lol. Yes, we should encourage girls just as much as boys to go into STEM fields. But just because there's less of them, that doesn't mean it's "sexist" and "focken patriarchy".
I worked as an engineer for Nissan before. About 10 in 100 engineers engineers were women. The reason why that number is so high (relatively to uni percentage) is that every female with an engineering degree gets accepted automatically to boost female numbers. Then females in a team will always be promoted regardless of how stupid or inept they are. Simply because they came across a female engineer for once.
Women do get support. There's a government incentive that woman who study engineering in the uk top 10 unis get something like a 27k grant which men don't. Which is a lot by the way on top of what everyone gets. Woman also get support unlike men in my degree.
In my undergrad we started with something like 10 females (238 guys) and almost all managed to graduate as compared to the 80 guys.
The problem is that woman and men's brains do the same job differently through chemicals but the male method suits STEM subjects more than women.
This is exactly what feminists do. Men on average earn more than women. Boom, SEXIST! Who cares you the reasons? There are more men in STEM fields than women. SEXIST! Who cares about why it is that way? Guess what, 90% of work deaths are male and I don't run around screaming "sexism". Women get the child custody in 80% of the cases and I don't call that sexism (even though that might be actually sexist). But feminists, anything that's not in favor of women is sexism to them.
Woman are better at non STEM subjects naturally while men are better st STEM.
What we need to do is inspire more young woman to take an interest in engineering at an early age. All the depictions of engineers in the media are men. Which is not a bad thing as all engineers in real life are also men. Almost all engineering breakthroughs are from men.
@yucel_eden Thank you for actually bringing up something interesting, since all she brought up was "You're an undergrad" and "literally quoting this guy"..
For example women earning doctoral degrees in psychology outnumber men three to one. I don't call that sexism. They're just naturally more likely to be better. It's not sexism, just like men being naturally more likely to succeed in STEM is natural.
@BornIntoThis the so-called learning differences have been debunked. The differences between men and women in terms of thought patterns are not so vast. That is why psychology is applicable to more than just one group, even for general studies.
I tire of you stupid children twittering about things I have not mentioned.
The topic of discussion for my union this past month was support of women in STEM. You don't have to agree that there is no support for women in engineering - I am the one living it. I will thank you to shut the fuck up about things you have not studied and do not understand.
Just throwing this out there. If you go into computer science ada lovelace has been mentioned multiple times as the mother of modern computing. Well at least at my university she's been acknowledged multiple times in some classes. Her name doesn't get mentioned in the formal proof theoretical courses because that was George Boole.
there's a difference between acknowledging the achievements of an individual and inflating the accomplishments of a group. studying history through an ideological lens where only women's contributions matter is exactly as wrong as doing so for men. we used to regard history as part of "the humanities". that was as it should be, and we are now moving away from that equality, based on a continuous fiction that some grievous historical imbalance still exists, when in fact it is being created.
@androcentrist wrong. I can tell from your username that you are biased to believe that women are not valuable. Goodbye, as I do not debate with brick walls.
No. I think "gender" just needs to die. 9/10 "feminists" are whiney hypocrites spewing double standards all over the place, and these MGTOW are just butt hurt that no one wants to accept them for who they are, like all the feminists keep expecting us to do for them.
Ladies, you wanted equality, so pay for the damn date!
Men, you're tired of being used, so quit bitching about your manhood if she wants you pay!
The obvious answer is yes because if they weren't valid degrees then you would't be able to major in it. But a lot of Universities actually have Women's Studies as a certificate program, not a major itself.
And you actually can do a lot with Women's Studies. All Women's Studies programs and degrees mean that you specialized in a certain focus in history. That degree qualifies you for several further degree programs like law school, counseling, politics, and education. But what most people fail to do who have such a concise focus is actually network with people in this area to help them get a job.
any jobs you can qualify for with that degree don't actually need doing, and only exist to enable twits with no useful skills to suck money out of the economy.
@androcentrist I didn't say it was the only degree that qualified you for those jobs, just that they aren't useless because it does qualify you for something. Lol
So basically if another degree qualifies you for something then that degree is useless? That's illogical because then by default a lot of other degrees would useless too.
@BasilBrushSays sandwich making can be a pretty lucrative career and buisness career for a person more so than gender or women's studies. My sister did not go to college and has done well making sandwiches.
The fact that a university offers a degree doesn't mean it's a legitimate area of study, it means they can get a bunch of people to pay them $150-200,300. Why is it that no one looks critically at the universities and what they are doing to our country? Because they run public opinion. Not mine.
You can major in Medieval basket weaving as well, but that doesn't make it a valid degree for success in the 21st century. And certainly doesn't justify going $80,000 in debt to accomplish. Anything you care to know about "Women's Studies" can be found for free on the internet. If you borrow a small fortune to pay for that information, you are too stupid to be in college anyway.
You are right Elarra... but most people a.) don't really grasp the real purpose of degrees, and b.) they don't know about the hordes of people walking around with FAKE degrees that they bought from degree mills. Why not ask about those instead of something people actually have to work for.
@Bezbozhnikustanka the provide infastructure for medicine, community, education and charity. Your doctor was likely educated by a Catholic school in the third world.
I'd stay away from any of those degrees that aren't realistic and/or practical simply because I just don't have lots of $$$ and time to invest in them. I can see majors like those meant for those people that have lots of money and won't really even need financial aid or scholarships to begin with. As for validity? I really don't care. In the real world for finding professional work and finding real jobs, it's gonna be very difficult since it's not one of those more practical or realistic skills or trades or majors, unless you're gonna become a college professor or something and teach those same relevant things you've learned from those type of majors or similar, and IIRC this and any kind of "studies" type of majors are liberal arts which is not practical or efficient for the real business or professional world. So I think that it makes more sense to go for a S. T. E. M. or business relevant major, or some other practical real-life real-world skills or trade kind of training instead especially if your time and your money is precious and you don't have too much of it. As in more importantly, you're gonna need income and a job to pay back any debts you owe, so just think about what that means.
A legit degree? sure. some people study religions in depth and that *while useful in a Historical sense* is complete bullshit.
then again what exactly is a degree? "an academic rank conferred by a college or university after examination or after completion of a course of study or conferred as an honor on a distinguished person."
anything that has been written and can be taught or understood regardless of truth or use is able to be granted as a degree. a degree just means you passed their system of books and such and have enough knowledge to hold some value in that field. even if the field is totally useless. just look at art. the majority of it is shit not many will make anything off it and yet you can get a degree in decoding the meaning behind random blotches of paint.
the better question is should we allow retards to spend upwards of 40k dollars for a useless piece of paper and knowledge? even if it was 100% free and gave out free mugs and girl scout cookies for completing I would not waste a minute of my time reading anything on it as I value my brain's storage space more than such knowledge.
I find it sad as a society we allow places to fuck over retards who don't know any better so much and place them in so much debt for paying for such useless knowledge. don't get me wrong we should not carry their debt but they should not even be able to get into debt for such a branch, to begin with. college should only offer courses that hold actual use and hold demand unless that person holds top-tier grades and can afford all of it out of pocket
Well as a guy I can chime in on this subject, I have dated girls in high school/university, the majority of my family members are girls/women, I have 3 older sisters and no brothers and I took women's studies in university last year and got a B+.
I think women's studies or to get a degree in that field is valid but it's kind of like having a degree from your undergrad psychology program. Just to have an undergrad pysch degree is not enough, I believe you should expand your career goals/education with a degree that involves a specific program. Think about being a teacher one day, a professor, a psychologist, women's studies should NOT be viewed as negative feminist behavior in society today.
The only time I disagree with girls/women who use feminism is when they use it as something to belittle men, get their own way or act like bi-polar sociopaths. Because if girls/women do that, you are no different pointing finger at every guy/man in society who has scorned you or other women.
I don't act that way, I am a liberal minded guy, who believes in equality and fairness. I want to be a lawyer 1 day, if I have my own firm, I am not going to assume that men are more aggressive and know how to talk in better legal terms then women, because I know plenty of girls who have gone to law school and busted their ass to get their law degree and kudos to them.
But to girls/women, just understand I accept women's studies and pushing for feminism (in terms of growth, equality, respect) but don't do it in a sense where you belittle a man below you and you laugh by saying "Haha, I totally emasculated him, busted him right in his manhood" because I'm the boss! That's stupid, that's not empowerment, that's being a bitch, just keeping it real.
@JenSCDC It was fine, it was nothing too complexed. My professor was also female, obviously, a woman would teach a women's studies course, if a man did that would be kind of odd. It basically highlighted different speech patterns/phrases women used, communication and etc.
I think as long as people communicate and be honest there shouldn't be a barrier of misunderstanding between a guy or girl, man or woman. I understand girls/women want to be pampered and treated like a princess, for a guy to protect them. That if her needs are validated, she will say things like "I'm fine". As a guy, if I am not fine, I will be blunt and say, yo honestly no I'm not, my work is pissing me off, this happened, I got this shit with family... whatever the case is, be direct that's my opinion.
Honestly, no offense to anyone but I don't really consider that as a degree. Well, I also don't consider most social science programs to be a major. They're rather hobbies for people. I think real majors are engineering, medicine/dentistry/nursing, science (physics, chemistry, biology, math, psychology), law, and economics. Rest is kind of garbage, and unnecessary.
Do I view degrees in thinks like women's or gender studies to be degrees that make any sense to put so much time and money intro getting, after wondering about whether or not a job even exists which has such certification or requirements? Nope.
Not even remotely, can you make a viable career out of it? Can you have a stable future with it? Is it practical? Does it make money? Does it wrack up debt and or waste daddies money?
No No No No Yes
Final verdict it's a worthless degree and shouldn't even be considered a degree honestly.
Pretty much all the gender studies "degree" graduates are either working at starbucks, a fast food joint or are back living at home, jobless. I could almost guarantee you that none of them have a stable and viable career and future using their gender studies "degrees"
I don't know much about women's studies to make a full unbiased opinion. But, I say it anyway haha, the validity of a degree is in the eye of the beholder. Like, to me that degree wouldn't be valid because I would probably take a class in women's studies, but I wouldn't major in it because that's not what i want to focus on in my life, but for some women, that IS what they wanna do their whole lives so to them is valid. To each their own.
But if we're talking about the worth of the degree, like how much are they investing in the degree and how much they get back in return (money wise, employment wise, etc) that's a whole other story because worth can actually be measured and it's factual. Is it worth it? I'm not sure because I never considered women's studies a degree to ever research it to find that out.
I haven't seen jobs that center around gender and women studies in particular. So it'd seem like a waste of money. I could possibly see it offered as a course, and women and gender studies be and elective or something if you're majoring in psychology or law or something. Not to sound misogynistic but I can imagine someone saying, "Majored in women's study's in college. I know about women." But, it'll be as far as they'd get in a conversation because there's not really a stand alone job for "gender and women's studies" unless there are jobs, and I have been living under a rock.
By all means, have that farce - the only issue I see is that if a student who's not going in those fields, is paying to keep the school afloat, some of that money goes to supporting "studies" in those fields. That's the only issue in my opinion.
If they can "teach" these things in faculties that do not live off of the same budget the others do for each university, then, by all means, waste some people's time. If you're not stupid, you don't have to worry about involving yourself there.
Anyone who goes to college without a clear idea of how their college education is going to help them to further their career life is just wasting their time and should drop out immediately in my opinion.
College education is only useful when you know how to apply it. Way too many people go to college because it is "the next step in life" or simply because they want to delay real life responsibilities for a couple more years.
Is it a valid degree? Sure, just like degrees in religion, philosophy, English, etc are. That doesn't mean it's actually useful though. I've never heard of anyone getting a BA in women's studies actually putting that degree to use in their careers. To be honest, it's probably the most useless degree program out there.
I don't see them as valid degree. Why? Because it has no real world application expect to whine and groan and talk about inequality and how gender is all fluid which it isn't. They want equality? Go after a real degree, and get a real job. It's a total waste of time and resources and I am surprised it's even a thing.
My dad said he has lots of fellow nerd friends who majored in medieval history, making them currently without a proper job. I think that taking classes in these studies is relevant and good, but it cannot be the focus of a career because frankly it doesn't cover enough ground to allow you to be successful in any way.
if you got a degree in Sasquatch hunting, all you'd ever see, day in and day out, would be evidence that Bigfoot is out there. likewise, going to college for women's studies is a great way to start viewing the entire flipping world as proof of misogyny.
to astoriana, if she ever has the courage to unblock me, you can say i am wrong all you like, but if you refuse to explain your position, you lose the argument by default. either you engage with those who do not accept your claims, or you guarantee that they will never consider your point of view.
Valid? Yes. Useful? Meh. It can be used for history majors who specialized in women's studies. Will it make you money? Doubt it. If they are respectable, they could be asked to speak at conferences, doubt that will happen.
It's valid if from an accredited university, is it a good investment is another argument. Psych and comm degree people get the same shit from STEM degree people, at least some of my STEM professors were condescending to them-but in the end, they are getting their degree from the same university I am, and if they get paid or not is not my business.
There are classes on the philosophy of Charlie Brown, Evangelion, and even the Spaghetti Monster. This can pile on to the many classes out there. If they want to spend time, effort, and money then by all means.
The memes are funny. For me things like women's studies, and similar courses are good for people who have no ides what they want in life or just Want to spend their college years chilling and going out.
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