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I think Gender Studies makes a great minor since it can compliment many majors. I think it can only work as a major if you are using it as a stepping stone to something else (teaching, law school, etc).
Teaching a gender studies class maybe
biggest scam to get your money of this generation 😂
Your paying for those safe space and play dough so make sure you get your moneys worth.
I am still wondering why men's right activists care whether or not a woman can find a job with a degree in Women's studies.
Haha!!!
That's a good question. You know it's not a specific degree for one gender only.
Well, let's just say that Men's rights activists won't be taking a class any time soon. This conversation is similar to ones on race.
Another question, why do you claim those men who would? They obviously don't agree with your agenda. You actually call them "Manginas". So those guys who support feminism aren't your concern. In fact, you consider them enemies of the cause, right?
I don't have a cause. I support equal rights. It's a question about two degrees
So now you try to get "logical". Logically does it make sense to care if a college student has made a poor choice in their education? How many jobs are there for a Women's studies major? Or an African studies major? Latin studies? Even if they find jobs, they won't pay well and they can only blame themselves.
I don't care. I asked a general question about education.
Right, you were just curious about the education system.
:D
Exactly
As someone who looks over resumes all the time, a lot of degrees are quite useless but this one has to be near the very top.
Depending on the position I'm hiring for, what matters more is the quality of the resume on whether we throw the resume away or whether we'll ask them for an interview.
If you can find someone who is willing to give you a job for that credential, then good on you! If I were a modern-day feminist, I would probably still first opt for a degree that statistically has a proven track record of paying well, and second, a high likelihood of being able to land a job after college. And on the side, I would become a history buff for all things woman-related accomplishments/milestones, and religiously read/watch Buzzfeed, Vox, and Huffington Post.
Valid in what way? Earning money? Hell no. If your only degree is in something like gender/women studies, then I won't have much of any respect for your academic credentials. If you did that on the side, then that's completely fine. I just feel as if all of that stuff is common sense. It's also bound to be skewed to fit a certain type of agenda/thinking. An agenda that's not very rational.
It's like your garden variety degree. Mostly useless. Medieval studies? Ancient language? Psychology? Economics? In fact, a lot of undergrad degrees are useless unless you focus on a career or use it for a post graduate degree.
I would take Medieval studies as it sounds fun. The dress up as knights, swordfight and joist right?
No you just watch the other guy do it while you try to analyze human waste.
Fuck that id come to class dressed in armor
How do you plan to go to the restroom in armor? Probably make a good case study on on why nobody wear 60lbs of armor daily and why you need a squire to help you in and out of the armor.
There's a spot in the armor. I just want to hit people with my made and carry off busty wenches on my trusty steed
I am not too sure. I mean the armor would include tight leather pants and a steel cup to protect your dong. Or may a complete set of high performance steel panties, capable of withstanding an incredible amount of punishment. They don't normally come with a convenient way to open.
But it's a dream nonetheless. I am just an economist. I studied the dismal science. I think the busty wench would have rotten teeth and various STD and I spend more to feed the horse than I eat.
Only mentally challenged wanna be victims think these things are valid.
Essentially it would be like having a KKK class in University where people go to learn how to hate and be angry at another section of humans but has no valid purpose outside of pushing false bullshit and hate propaganda.
I know a few that take gender and Women's studies, I swear it's like colleges decided to offer remedial degrees for people who shouldn't be attending college simply for money after all that's what colleges really are now but a giant business.
Yeah, I work for a major university and I see these sheep everywhere creating groups, campaigns, and clubs to push their bullshit. It's like seeing "special" children at the special Olympics being told they are "athletes". The difference is that special children are happy and decent human beings.
It's like a religion or a cult that you must conform with or face harrassment and social exclusion, any freethinking ideas not discussed in the safe space is dissent and will not be tolerated
Is there man studies available. I reckon women could have the chance to major in that or they could just read that book 'The Manipulated Man' by Esther Vilar.
No protests would break out
The author of the book got death threats as it was very controversial. I haven't read it yet... have you?
Not as bad as Australia banning that documentary made by a woman called the red pill because it's pro men's rights and shows feminazis in a negative light. Talk about facisists.
Why wouldn't they be?
The problem you have here isn't with feminism but with the women that misuse it. That's why everyone's so ticked off by the words feminism.
But in itself, if it is used to promote equality, respect and cooperation between genders, then it is being used right and is not inherently evil...
most women are afraid to admit they dont view feminism as a bad thing... because of the backlash. thats why...
I'm talking about a college degree not feminism and most women have no problem being for women's rights and equality they just don't identity as feminists
Feminism is not about equality.
I have never seen a feminist defend racial minorities rights or fight for them. There is a group of feminists that are against members of the LGBT community for stupid reasons. I have never seen a feminist fight for men's disadvantages in society or speak out against women's advantages in society.
I loathe people who say that feminism is for the equality of people, because there are more examples of the opposite. It seems "true and real" feminism is an exception to the movement. If you want all people to be equal, you're a humanitarian, egalitarian - a fucking human being. Not a feminist, which (if you took Latin) has nothing to do with human equality - the definition of feminism was changed because feminism lost support.
A man committed suicide while attempting to open the first male shelter for domestic/sexual violence due to feminist backlash. Julie Bindel remarked how men should be kept in camps and allowed to leave only by female permission like "library books." Fuck feminism.
@SaintRichie23 feminism really seems to be about privledged white women getting as much of the special treatment pie and fuck everyone else including black women.
@SaintRichie23 she actually took that a step further & stated men should be shot , after incarceration. Bindel is a thermonuclear level man hater !!
and then it isn't me using the word loathe...
either way there is good and bad in everything
however i dont think the original intention of feminism was to bash men.
it's just how i see it.
The original intention wasn't to bash men. 1st wave was about earning the right to vote. 2nd wave was getting the right to equal pay. 3rd wave feminism has nothing to fight for except nitpicky crap like "Why can men show their nipples?" or "Men shouldn't sit with their legs open!" They even made up terms like "Mansplaining," and use "privilege" and "oppression" as a means to invalidate opposing arguments. Good luck having a discussion with a feminist when apparently we are genetically bred rapists with no idea on how society runs cause we sit on top of it.
I don't understand what you mean by "and then it isn't me using the word loathe..." If you're saying its wrong with me to disagree with something, then it just reinforces what I said before. I can hate something, because I'm not so PC where I believe I need to tolerate and accept every way of thinking. I have enough of a spine to disagree and state why I disagree using sound reasoning and examples. Most feminists I've met lack that.
You can read up on all that in your free time but treating it as a valid degree is useless. So many women complain they make less than men but it's simple economics. Get a degree there is demand for and you won't be complaining about money.
I work in education and make the same as my male coworkers. You won't hear complaints from me.
It's as valid as fields like Hispanic studies, African American studies, or even anthropology and comparative literature. When do you see a job description that calls for any of these majors? Don't pick on women's studies just because you hate feminism.
I don't think it's as important at all as any of those you listed. especially not anthropology, it's basically sociology of cultures. women's study is about as garbage as men's studies.
@coszie
There's no such thing as men's studies, because men have been defining academia as we know it since the beginning.
And women's studies is the study of the evolving role of women in society over time. It's worth thinking about.
I know there's no men's studies lol. that's why I alluded they would be equal worth. I happen to actually be a history major, which on its own Is 100% worthless, and yet I think it qualifies me to know what I'm talking about and certainly backs my opinion. men 'define academia ' because women major in useless things like women's studies, and then complain about men having lucrative careers and making more money. It's not rocket science ladies.
@coszie no men's studies? Clearly gender discrimination lol
@coszie
Actually no. Men define academia because women were not allowed or encouraged to go to school and pursue higher education. A lot of colleges didn't become coed until the 60s or 70s, including Harvard. Until then women were restricted to women-only colleges, which were generally less prestigious than the men's colleges.
This is the kind of perspective that women's studies will bring to you.
Yeah but it's 2017 not 1800 and more women attend college than men
@DonkeyRick69
That doesn't change history, which is what shaped the world we live in today.
History was shaped by a tiny group of rich and privledged white men and women.
Yeah exactly: before the 60s college was as closed off for >90% of men as it was for women. If women's studies doesn't bring you that perspective then that's more proof the degree is a worthless toy for privileged rich white girls.
@JohnDoe3000 it does seem like a lot privledged white girls take it
oh wow something I didn't know. oh wait yes I did. I'm so glad you know that because it's super applicable... oh wait.
@coszie... yes? Continue?
@JohnDoe3000
That doesn't change male privilege for elite males. Clearly if you don't want to see the problem, you won't. It's not my job to educate you.
If it's only for elites then it's not male privilege, now is it? Study economics instead of gender studies.
@JohnDoe3000 exactly most white college women are part of the elites
I think it's a degree it's just not very practical maybe it could be useful for HR in some capacity buy somehow understanding the female work force and how to some how up there productivity via team mixes or some sort of phycology I dont know but it feels incredibly niche if there is a use for it. More so than subjects like history where at least it could be use for finding shipwrecks , fossil records and other old valuable things.
Well if you can get it in college it obviously is a valid degree. I just don't know what you're supposed to do with it.
Also, that STEM comic isn't fair at all. Just because you're not interested in STEM doesn't mean you can't point out that it is still a very male dominated field. I have to take insanely sexist shit from a surprising number of professors and only 1/4 of my year are girls. I don't think women in general are encouraged enough to pursue a degree in STEM.
what "insanely sexist shit" would this be exactly? is it worse than the totally unchallenged society-wide assumption that every single woman on a sinking ship deserves a seat in the lifeboat, and every single man is supposed to let himself die to make room for one more woman to live?
@androcentrist I have professors who claim they refuse to pass women on their lectures. I had classes with a professor who would openly comment on students' bodies in front of the whole class. I have professors who admittedly grades exams by gender (meaning if a woman and a man write the very same thing on an exam, he will admittedly give the man a higher grade). One of my classes involves producing cement in a laboratory and my professor forces girls to pair up with boys and take notes while they learn and practice the process, even though ALL of us asked to do it too. This is only the professors, I didn't even start with the tutors and male students.
As far as the boat goes, I agree, that's not fair. Doesn't mean that suddenly all the crap I have to hear in a STEM course is suddenly gone.
I don't see what else could be done to encourage women into STEM fields besides forcing them at gunpoint much like how certain other fields and professions are completely dominabared by women.
@DonkeyRick69 nope there's still a long way to go. Not only for women in Science, but also for men in typically female dominated fields.
Job lottery?
it's stupid. there's no reason for it. learn something that'll get you a job, not some useless information
Being valid and being valuable are two different things. Is it valid, sure it is. Is it valuable? nope.
Haha... no.
Woman come out of university as a professional man hater.
I'm not exactly sure of what's in the program, but everything that can be inquired from a scientific perspective, with a scientific method, can and should be studied at Universities.
As opposed to shit like homeopathy, theology and psychoanalysis, that are not real sciences. And still, lots of Universities waste time and money whith those.
Besides sciences (natural, social etc), Art and Philosophy should also be studied.
The purpose of college ought to be to train and prepare students to work in fields they could not work in without a certain higher level of education. Often times it is not this, but none the less it ought to be. I don't believe that gender studies or women's studies successfully prepares anyone in terms of living life in the real world.
No. This is a very limited part of Sociology. If you want to do that stuff. Study the whole thing, not just the part you are interested in.
It woud be the equivalent of a History buff only studying Europe OR Asia OR U. S. OR Africa OR Oceania. Pointless, and does not give the complete spectrum of things related to the subject.
I'm very glad we do not have this weird Major in here.