Captain Marvel! Extremely average!

[RolandCuthbert]

What a waste!

So knowing GaG, lot of you guys are going to be in the whole identity politics things. I can only say that is just weird. If it isn't identity politics when there is a male lead, how can it be when a female is a lead?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Identity politics or no, people shouldn't make movies that suck. And this one while it gets off to a good start, falls flat on its face.

I can say Brie seems to be able to carry a lead role well. She is kicking butt right off the bat, does a lot of her own stunts. And it is convincing. I always love seeing Jude Law. I mean the pros are obvious;

1. Set in the 90s. The first scene includes a Blockbuster video store. That was awesome!

2. The soundtrack. You guys will love it, Nirvana, Elastica, TLC, No Doubt, etc.

3. New refreshing origin story.

4. New take on Skrull/Kree conflict.

But everything falls apart in the second half of the movie. The dialogue between Jackson and Larson in the second half of the flick is just dumb and boring, when it is supposed to be funny. In the second half of the film, they seem to just resort to gimmicks and all kinds of weirdness. Like there is literally a conversation between a little girl and her mother who is contemplating going on a mission with Larson. The little girl tells her mother to go ahead and risk her life because it is something she always wanted to do.

I was like what????

It is like a failed DeadPool movie for the second half of the film. It is trying to be this edgy comedy and it is just pitiful.

So two and a half stars out of four.

Its a shame. It could have been so much better. Oh and another thing. The end credits scene ties into Endgame. And it is awesome!

[vjones819]

I’d have to disagree to your opinion on the scene when the little girl and her mother talk about whether or not she should go to space on the ‘coolest mission in history’

In my opinion, every good movie has its parts that don’t seem substantial to the plot necessarily, but still add a spark to the movie. Although if the little girl didn’t convince her mum to go to space the whole movie would be different. So I think that scene has importance but even if it didn’t, I think it would add something to the movie.

[RolandCuthbert]

No, it could have been re-written to be more realistic. If they were doing a Deadpool like comedy, it could have been a hilarious scene. But they chose this context. So make it vital that she has to a participate and give us a scene where she is explaining this to her daughter. There is plenty of feminist stuff to fit in there about how her mother has duty/responsibility from being in the military, etc., etc.

[vjones819]

The movie Captain Marvel isn’t meant to just make you laugh. Even some comedies have depth to them. If laughing was what you intended to do, and only that then maybe you should have seen a comedy. I almost cried during the scene with the aliens being reunited. I also laughed, but that’s not what I expected to do seeing a science-fiction movie. You’re right, it’s not dead pool but it wasn’t meant to be.

[RolandCuthbert]

i laughed a couple of times in the beginning. But what they thought was comedy in the second half of the film was just weird.

Again, pretty much all the scenes with the daughter left me confused. The only guy who was consistently funny was the leader of the Skrulls.

That guy needs his own movie

[cykasenpai]

The scenes with the daughter were soulless - she kept sounding like one of those stereotypical super pumped up and mischievous kids.

[RolandCuthbert]

@cykasenpai She wasn't even a believable character. She was a complete waste of time and space.

I guess they were using her to introduce the next iteration of Captain Marvel.

[vjones819]

In my opinion.. again.. I don’t think adding the daughter in captain marvel was a waste of time. It does add something to the movie.. maybe not what you’d like. It adds to the past of captain marvel, and yes their relationship was indefinitely not a key point.. it’s still part of who she is in the future. But, in my opinion the only time a character is a ‘waste of time’ is if the character has legitimately nothing to do with the plot.

[RolandCuthbert]

Well that’s your opinion. We are speculating about a future film when they introduce the “Black” female who eventually takes the mantle. It was still a goofy way to introduce her, if that is what they were doing.

[janna_jcb]

A movie supporting a certain narrative of course doesn’t make it a good movie, it’s just a good initiative

[med111111]

That is actually an interesting take and one I have not ever heard before about such things.

[cykasenpai]

" Like there is literally a conversation between a little girl and her mother who is contemplating going on a mission with Larson. The little girl tells her mother to go ahead and risk her life because it is something she always wanted to do. "

I thought this was a joke too. That kind of decision can't just be made on such a trivial basis as that. Just seemed like they wanted to promote the "mother hero" idea, although I would find it as stupid if it was a father. I dunno about this man.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, that was hard to watch.

[Deathraider]

I did enjoy the movie. I feel like the style of a Captain Marvel sets it apart from the other Marvel movie, yet still stick to its central theme.

[Deathraider]

I just realised something that may be a plot hole. Why didn't Nick Fury call in Captain Marvel when Loki and the aliens attacked and the US government planned to nuke New York? Or why didn't Nick Fury call in when an out of control AI attempted to destroy the world and nearly succeeded?

I'm just saying, there were too many close calls and Nick Fury never even considered contacting her until just now?

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, that was stupid. They should have addressed it by saying her mission with the Skrulls would take a couple of decades.

[Deathraider]

Avengers 1:
Nick Fury: "Nuclear bomb and Aliens are destroying New York? I don't need to call her."
Avengers 2:
Nick Fury: "An out of control AI going to destroy the world? I don't need to call her."
Infinity War:
Nick Fury: "Oh sh*t! Everyone dead. Better call her in!"

[CoffeeWC]

Captain Marvel was definitely influenced by feminism no doubt.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Go woke, you go broke.

The identity politics Brie played outside the movie wasn't needed, but since Ghostbusters I think people have learned to recognize that when the identity card is being played, it's going to be dull and cringy... kinda like the intersectional religion.

All I got to say... Wonder Woman didn't have to pull that shit, and nobodies shitting all over that movie. I don't watch movies, but I am seeing peoples' reactions to them. Most of us all cringe when we start hearing the 'social justice' narrative because it's just a tell tale sign of the oncoming cringe fest we'd rather not deal with. Couple that with the over the top outrage that's going to be flung about like monkeys taking a break from jerking off whenever someone verbally disagrees with them... yeah... I don't have to see this movie to know it sucks.

I knew it was going to suck as soon as it started getting the 'woke' push behind it. Again... Wonder Woman didn't need that shit did it? In fact I remember the damn intersectionals getting pissed off that she shaved her armpits and was too pretty. And more than likely all that 'outrage' came from 2 or 3 beasts making a stink on twitter and nowhere else.

[RolandCuthbert]

I almost hide your post.

Dude, calm down.

The movie sucked. And certainly not because of the whole feminist angle.

It sucked because it had bad dialogue, bad writing, and bad chemistry for the second half of the film. I would have not seen it, if it were not for free. I was invited by several different firms. But settled on the one that had dinner included.

That was awesome.

[D_Bone_Steak]

See I haven't even seen it... I tossed the movie out the window as soon as the intersectional angle was being taken, which is just an example of why these actors should just lay off of the intersectional cocaine so to speak.

But yeah, If someone bought me dinner I might bother to watch it too. lolz

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, now I don't even understand what you are talking about.

Movies cover all kinds of topics, issues, and situations dude. This is a comic book movie. It is just a lousy one.

Why are you all upset over what an actor said?

If you don't like what Brie said, don't see the flick. I could care less.

[D_Bone_Steak]

It's just a subject that been drilled through about 2 or 3 times a day for the past month... I'm just waiting for it to sit down next to Ghostbusters so I can stop hearing about this movie.

Also it's just sort of irritating... the pushing of the intersectionality... like I can't help but ask, did this movie need that? I mean really, what if they just didn't... and just made a movie.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Sorry about the ranting... Just got exposed to the politics of this yet again...*sigh*

Look, it's this simple... take 'The Hunger Games' and 'Wonder Woman' and compare them to 'Ghostbusters' and this movie... that's the difference that's made so many people gripe until it's annoying the shit out of me... and then I'm here annoying the shit out of you with it.

My bottom line point... movies are supposed to entertain and make money off our desire for entertainment, not be injected with all this feminist politics and be mediocre.

You like comics right? I love the Dark Horse Aliens and Predator comics... but that last movie disappointed and I see why... it was injected with all this political correct horse shit. ... guess I'm just tired of political correctness shitting all over everything. Hope that made my position clear enough, but again, sorry for annoying the shit out of you.

[RolandCuthbert]

Like I said, it can be about intersectionality. It can be about larger killer tomatoes rolling down the street.

It just has to be well done. And this one could have been a whole lot better. Like Wonder Woman was a feminist flick. And directed by a woman.

It was just a different class of cinema. I only had two issues with WW. The ending that lasted forever. And Steve Trevor nailed her in first few days of meeting her.

That was hilarious!

[RolandCuthbert]

The issue is that movies are political. They are cultural. They are social. They are a lot of things. You simply pick what you want to watch and go enjoy yourself.

If you don't like certain types of cinema. Don't go see it. I didn't go see Soul Plane because i thought it was a bunch of nonsensical ignorant "Black" minstrel crap.

But you might not see it that way. I didn't care then and I wouldn't care now. It isn't my kind of flick.

Not that this one was. I was invited to the premiere. Otherwise, I don't think I would have seen it. I think the comic book flicks are starting to wear on me. I haven't even seen Aquaman.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I feel the same there... comic flicks and remakes of old movies are starting to grind my gears. Not that I can't enjoy them once in a while, but Hollywood seems to be stuck on being unoriginal right now.

... and I thought the 90's was bad with the 5 minute softcore porn scenes I simply didn't need to see in order to know what happened.

[ThisDudeHere]

"If it isn't identity politics when there is a male lead, how can it be when a female is a lead?"
-
For one, a female lead alone does not mean that it's identity politics. Ripley from Aliens or Sarah Connor from Terminator were good female leads and no one complains about them. It's the intent that matters, and Brie showed her intent by pushing her agenda during the marketing of this movie.
For two, no one's pushing anything pro-male anymore.

"1. Set in the 90s. The first scene includes a Blockbuster video store. -
That was awesome!"
-
That was pandering to the currently growing ''90's kid'' audience. In the late 2020's, movies will start to put in things and scenes from the early 2000's and on and on. I mean, did everyone forget how 80's references were the thing 10 years ago?

in my opinion there's nothing refreshing of the story - they even promoted it for following the marvel formula well, which is debatable.

"The end credits scene ties into Endgame. And it is awesome!"
-
This is borderline misuse of the words awesome. If everything is awesome then nothing is, really. Awesome is supposed to be something you practically never see and will likely never see. Something that make you AWE. I highly doubt a scene at the beggining and end of the movie brought out literal awe from you.

[RolandCuthbert]

"Ripley from Aliens or Sarah Connor from Terminator were good female leads and no one complains about them. It's the intent that matters, and Brie showed her intent by pushing her agenda during the marketing of this movie."

Well, don't go see the flick. But one thing is for certain, be prepared for more action flicks with female leads. Its funny in other nations, this was an issue that was put to bed decades ago.

As for pushing pro-male stuff, again, that's kind of weird. It isn't like pro male stuff had to be pushed, right? You don't really think Hollywood in the 80s and 90s, actually thought to themselves, "we need to do more male action movies", right?

We need another thread for this discussion. Maybe you can start one.

1. I don't can't even begin to understand your criticism here. So there isn't really a need to comment.

2. You don't seem to know the comic. That's cool. The original origin story was quite different than what they do in this movie. I liked it. I also liked the different take on the Skrull/Kree war. It they could have spent more time on it, it would have been really cool. And if you don't like the guy who plays the Skrull boss, something is wrong with you.

You seem to just be a guy who is pissed off and wants to crap all over this thread.

Find another thread to take a crap in.

I won't let you do it here.

[ThisDudeHere]

Nice of you to assume that of me. Am I blocked now?

[ThisDudeHere]

Apparently not.

And no, I'm not here to shit on anyone or anything. If you liked the movie, good for you. I won't deny that the general audience isn't even aware of the agenda pushing and they simply went to a movie that was yet another generic marvel superhero flick.

[Liam_Hayden]

"Well, don't go see the flick. But one thing is for certain, be prepared for more action flicks with female leads"

You literally missed the point. No problem with female leads, it is THIS female lead. She is a toxic bigot. She even hates her own costars.

[RolandCuthbert]

My goodness, how did your post get way down here.

If you were blocked, you couldn't post. I don't like blocking folks. Its like a rule I have. I just remove their posts.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Liam_Hayden How do you know you don't hate other female leads? Do you know the views of every single one of them?

Maybe you should stop mixing your politics with your entertainment choices. Hollywood is full of weird, sideways, freakish liberals. If you are looking for Trump supporters there you will be very sad.

In my world of CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, you will find plenty of guys whom you could respect and who say horrible things about other groups.

Even about my own.

But I need to eat, so I deal with it.

[Liam_Hayden]

You miss the point. I don't hate the leads because of their gender. Heck, I do not even hate Brie Larson. I just hate that she's a bigot.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Liam_Hayden So how did I miss the point? If you don't like what she said, don't go see the movie. The flick kind of surpassed all expectations. And probably because of all the hype around the whole feminist schtick. The funny thing is, it is actually a pretty average movie.

You can do whatever you wish or think whatever you want. But I just think it is a much more effective argument to separate the two issues. Take Brie on for what she said. And evaluate the movie for what it is.

A very lukewarm experience.

[BCA6010]

The "identity politics" around this movie had nothing to do with the fact it has a female lead - it has everything to do with Brie's idiotic rants. Additionally, the trailers for it have left much to be desired, and Captain Marvel as a character has never been exceptionally popular anyway. This was their opportunity to change that, but I think they've floundered.

I agree entirely with "extremely average" as a movie, but I would place it well below average for a Marvel movie. It's like they didn't really know what they wanted to do with this movie, and assumed that the fact it had a female lead alone would carry it. To even try and make it sound like some kind of groundbreaking development to have a female lead in an action movie was very odd too, considering there are literally dozens, some of which were actually good.

At this point, I'm honestly kind of ready for the MCU to just come to an end. I know that's not happening, but these movies are becoming more and more forgettable.

[RolandCuthbert]

Oh, I am not ready for the MCU to come to an end.

But I agree with the spirit of your post. The movie could have been a whole lot better.

[AlexBlack007]

I haven't watched the film yet and I'm not even excited about it. I don't know anything about the character. I just know she's a human/kree hyrbid (thanks Wikipedia) and that she's supposed to be the strongest character in the MCU. That kinda reminds me of Superman and I absolutely hate that garbage character. I've never liked characters that are too powerful to even exist on earth, they're exaggerated af! I'm more interested in the post credits scene of the film just because the character will appear in Endgame so I gotta see how it ties into it.

[RolandCuthbert]

Nah, they took the whole thing on a different angle. So her powers doesn't come from being human/kree.

But the whole the most powerful hero thing is just overblown. It actually took away my enthusiasm to see the movie.

And you are right about Superman. It is so hard to write good stories about him, because he is too powerful. You can't think up a good villain.

[AlexBlack007]

Yeah I don't know about Captain Marvel's powers, I just know she's a hybrid and she's supposed to be the most powerful hero in the MCU (I think the Russos said so or someone else from Marvel studios did).

Characters who are extremely powerful can be good but they need sensible limitations to be interesting I think. Like Superman, he doesn't make sense to me. Considering how powerful he is, Earth shouldn't be able to survive him at all. And the writers give a really lame excuse that he holds back his powers... 😑😑😑😑
Then what about Zod? If kryptonians are so powerful, Zod must be extremely powerful too right? And they fought on Earth, a planet they can destroy with a single punch going by how powerful kryptonians are in comics. So was Zod "holding back" too? Why would he, when he's trying to KILL ANOTHER KRYPTONIAN? How did Earth survive a battle of kryptonians?

Now see, there's Dragon Ball, with another superpowerful race called saiyans, right? Now there's an explanation which makes sense at least from a fictional point of view as it's supposed to. Reason why Earth survives their fights? They have power levels. And when overpowered characters did go all out on Earth, the planet did get destroyed, on multiple instances! So in my opinion, a character with limitations is always much better than a character with no limitations. Kryptonite is considered to be a weakness of Superman but even that didn't kill him! What do you call that? 😅

[RolandCuthbert]

Let's do a fan boy conversation. Okay, here is one flaw in "Man of Steel".

Zod was born and breed to be a fighter. A military commander. Yet in every scene he gets his ass kicked. He gets whupped by a scientist back on Krypton, Jor El. Then he comes to earth and get beaten by a farm boy, Kal El, who has had almost no experience fighting at all.

That was a huge plot hole.

As for Dragonball, it has kind of went off on a strange tangent. Goku and Vegeta are powerful enough to destroy entire galaxies at this point. It is just super stupid at this point.

[AlexBlack007]

Yeah and it's not even just the movie, it has happened again and again in the comics too! Then when the writers show Superman getting beat up by Lex Luthor, doesn't that seem like a desperate attempt to SOMEHOW show Superman as vulnerable? Hell he can even travel through time! 😂

Dragon Ball also started giving some lame reasons to add more powers and forms to saiyans. Why is it that Vegeta never really manages to surpass Goku? Vegeta trains more, trains harder, he's older than Goku and has been fighting superpowered aliens since he was a child, so why can't he? Writers say Goku's power comes from fighting to save people, his selflessness in a way and Vegeta just fights to feed his greed for power... Fine, I'm ready to accept that but after the Cell Saga, Vegeta has a family, he accept Earth as his home and started fighting to protect people so why can't he match Goku's level now? Some characters just get ruined because of the plot armors! Truth is, DC wants Superman to be their most powerful character, so they do anything to keep him that way. Akira Toriyama wants to keep Goku as the main character, he'll also do anything to keep things that way. 😑

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah agreed, about Dragonball. They want Goku to be the most powerful, even though the stories are starting to contort to being nonsensical at this point.

[Belgie]

I don't give a flying monkey fuck about identity politics, but I do like my Marvel...

It's nowhere near the worst of the marvel movies. That would be the likes of Thor 2 the Dark World or Iron Man 2 (second half especially), or even most of Iron Man 3.

Captain Marvel hits a few of the main character tropes, modernises them for the current climate, and tells a semi-decent origin story.

Ronan the Accuser gets better, more effective presence and dialogue here than in his previous outings.

I had one problem with it - She's basically over powered as fuck, like Superman - except she doesn't have Kryptonite. Mega powerful heroes need weakness, or they are just shit wish-fulfilment characters.

[RolandCuthbert]

It isn't the worst, but is nowhere near the best. I don't care about her being overpowered. The flick is totally underdone.

It's like they got to the second half of the movie and just said. . ."ah screw it".

[SirRexington]

I saw it yesterday. The movie was boring for a superhero film. Not much combat and the combat that existed was not invigorating. The storyline they went with for the skrulls is very different from the comics but it worked for the movie. It was not a horrible fill nor was it a snoozefest but it was lackluster.

[RolandCuthbert]

That's what I was saying. I liked the Skrulls story. I liked the guy who played their leader. But they didn't go into it very much.

[Servus09]

"So knowing GaG, lot of you guys are going to be in the whole identity politics things. I can only say that is just weird. If it isn't identity politics when there is a male lead, how can it be when a female is a lead?"

Brie Larson made comments in the press that White men should not see or review movies that are not made for them. This is why race, gender, and all that other bullshit surrounds this and other movies today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_DNrV6izw

[InTimoreDei]

"I'm not saying I hate white dudes... buuuuut"

Hahahahahahaa.

[RolandCuthbert]

That is a different discussion. If you want to talk about what Brie said, then let's have a discussion about what she said. But this whole nonsense that movies shouldn't be political or that feminists are taking over Hollywood is just bunk.

[Servus09]

I go to the movie theaters to be entertained, not to be lectured in politics. Why would I pay the price of admission to hear all this nonsense about how women are held back and discouraged from being successful in life when the exact opposite is happening in reality? I want to see a movie with a heroine that overcomes obstacles in her life to become the hero. Fake obstacles from the patriarchy are just a copout and lazy writing.

As for Brie Larson's comments, I think it's clear she lives in an echo chamber that has distorted her reality. You may have noticed that her press junket was full of white men. For someone who has repeatedly pushed for racial diversity in Hollywood, you would think she would use her own position of power to bring about that social change, but that's not what she is doing.

So the question is, why is this happening? This just a theory, but I think Hollywood drums up controversy like this because it generates buzz around their films. Captain Marvel did 450 million worldwide on its opening weekend and is a profitable success already.

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, movies were political before you were a twinkle in your father's eye. Just because it wasn't obvious to you does not mean it was not obvious to everyone else.

You come to the thread to talk about politics and not talk about the movie because you will never see it. Then when you get here, you can't even talk about the politics properly. Do you know what Brie said. What is your issue with it? Explain yourself in a way you can be understood and maybe we can have a conversation.

But this whole weird thing about movies shouldn't be political, is nonsensical. The vast majority is political. X-Men is nothing but racial politics, it is hilarious you haven't realized that. Wonder Woman was nothing but a political film. Black Panther, the new movie "Us", the list is literally endless.

[Servus09]

As per usual, RolandCuthbert inserts text in what he THINKS someone said, rather than reading their words. I never said movies were apolitical in the past. I said I don't want to be lectured about politics in what should have been an apolitical feel-good movie.

My issue with her comments is that they are racist, ageist, and sexist.

This is the equivalent of LeBron James saying there need to be more Asian sports journalists because he's tired of hearing opinions from old white and black men. That sounds a bit fucked up, doesn't it?

Keep in mind this woman doesn't even believe the bullshit she espouses. Pretty much everybody at her press junkets has been white men.

My stance is consistent. If you're the better player, you get to be in the NBA. If more people are drawn to your reviews, you have more ad revenue to write your reviews.

Let me guess, now is when you say that stupid one-liner about how you don't believe in race, after talking about race. What a fucking race-baiting shill you are.

[RolandCuthbert]

"I said I don't want to be lectured about politics in what should have been an apolitical feel-good movie."

That is such a nothing statement. I illustrated how movies are political all the time. And people are simply sitting there thinking they are watching a feel good movie.

It is simply you are unaware, because;

1. The political statement is one you agree with.

2. You are so disconnected, you can't tell.

And I have no idea how you are going to go see the first superhero film in the MCU dedicated to a woman and have the expectation that is should not or will not be political.

"This is the equivalent of LeBron James saying there need to be more Asian sports journalists because he's tired of hearing opinions from old white and black men. That sounds a bit fucked up, doesn't it?"

Why does that sound fucked up?

How many fucked up thread at GaG are there about race? Have you whined about those posts?

Of course not.

As for what Brie said specifically, I find it distasteful also. But this is the first post where you actually talked about what she said. Why is that?

And why did you try to disguise your feelings about what she said, as some logical critique on political narratives in American cinema?

[Waffles731]

I really liked it, I went to a pre screening on Tuesday.
Also proof.

[RolandCuthbert]

Dag. That was early a really early screening. I was invited to a premiere last night.

You didn't think the whole thing with the daughter was just weird?

I mean, that is just lazy writing right there.

[Waffles731]

I also saw Avengers Age of Ultron and Pacific Rim at early screenings

[Waffles731]

Of course before they actually came out

[That1tallguy]

How do you get to see movies before the come out?

[Waffles731]

You are either press or you know a guy.
In this case, I know a guy

[Waffles731]

@That1tallguy or a contest

[stormbreaker06]

i got a captain marvel coin

[Kaneki05]

He said average he must have not watched the film yet or must of just watched something else completely.

It was a great film and comparing to Deadpool ummm wtf it was nothing alike nor trying to be.
Seriously did you just watch Deadpool 2 and think it was captain marvel.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, I watched the film, did you read my review?

Oh, you didn't? Got it!

[Kaneki05]

Again your the idiot comparing captain marvel to Deadpool when there nothing alike at all.

[RolandCuthbert]

You truly are 17 years old.

[Kaneki05]

Well done you have gone to the line that older people say when they cannot say anything else cause they ain't smart enough to do so.

[Dan62]

i would see it but there is a whole bunch of crap surrounding the lead actress thats she's shoveling onto people about and also to be honest there was no marvel "wow" on this trailer it didn't catch me

if people wanna see it i won't stop em its just come across as meh to me and i do love my marvel movies

just in case i dont mind strong female characters and think they can do some great stuff in movies such as:
wonder woman
Ripley from alien
black widow from MCU
lara croft from tomb raider
Black mamba from kill bill

[theharlequin]

I've not watched it, and I won't be after what it clearly is pushing. I've watched several reviews and synopses to see how it will play into Endgame, and that's all I needed from it.

I will watch Endgame, but if Marvel makes some kind of messiah out of a man-hating feminist who is new to the MCU after I've followed heroes like Ironman for years, that's the last of my money that Marvel will get.

[Bananaman177]

Hey, just tell me one thing, did she REALLY deck that old lady on the bus, or was that just some kind of dream sequence?

Are they really pushing this crazy psychotic as a superhero like Superman and Spiderman when she's going around using her super punches on little old ladies on the bus?

[RolandCuthbert]

I can't give away everything. Look up "Skrulls".

[Dionigi]

I think the start was bad.
If it had started like guardian of the galaxy when the protagonist gets abducted, her internal conflict at the end would have been more realistic and relatable.

[RolandCuthbert]

I disagree. I liked the whole sequence with her on the Skrull Ship. I liked her first arriving on earth and meeting up with Fury. Then right after she discovers her origins, it goes left and it never comes back.

[Grobmate]

Didn't watch it yet. The feminist actress told me that single white males aren't welcome at the cinema because we would polute it with our white male patriarchal oppressive toxic masculinity...

So I stayed home and watched Deadpool..

[Liam_Hayden]

She is toxic and is heading for a future on The View.

cosmicbook.news/brie-larson-hates-avengers-captain-marvel-cast

[Grobmate]

@Liam_Hayden she sure is. Her and the rest of her Ideaology.

[RolandCuthbert]

Nothing wrong with that. Deadpool and Deadpool 2 are great flicks.

[Grobmate]

Yup both are fantastic agreed

[Andy1994]

It was decent. The action set pieces were really good and the story explains and sets up her entry into Endgame really well but you're right a lot of the acting was trite and boring. Marvel is better than this

[Anonymous]

I refuse to spend any money to support that film after Brie Larson’s sexist and racist comments about “40 year old white males”.

If she said something like that about ANYONE ELSE there would be media shitstorm and it would be banned from showing at multiple theaters.

Of course people will be sheeple and eat it up. The reviews and criticisms don’t mean jack anyway, talk is cheap. But the bottom line is what makes or breaks movies. Money speaks and people are swallowing this whole.

[Liam_Hayden]

Exactly! She is a bigot. It is funny reading the responses, as though finding Brie Larson toxic is the same as hating female leads/strong female characters. I loved Wonder Woman. River Tam in Serenity was awesome. Ripley, Sarah Connor, Kara Thrace, and on and on. The problem is BRIE LARSON.

[Opinion Owner]

@Liam_Hayden Sarah Connor existed before all this 3rd wave feminism bullshit. She was a strong female lead that didn’t need brouhaha and all the other libtard crap. I respected her.

But the problem is there is an idiot born every second. The same people that complain about brie Larson are turning around and buying tickets like complete morons.

[RolandCuthbert]

You respected Sarah Connor?

Dude, Sarah Connor is a fictional character.

Do you mean Linda Hamilton, Lena Heady, etc?

[Opinion Owner]

Well I respected the idea of Sarah Connor. Linda Hamilton trained hard for T2. Also Lena Headey was a good Bond girl. She wasn’t all tits and ass. She had depth. She was feminist WITHOUT saying she was.

[RolandCuthbert]

I think it is hilarious that it only bothers you if they say they are feminists.

I had no idea about Lena's history before the Sarah Connor Chronicles. I was a big fan of the series and was kind of sad to see it go.

Wasn't really all that into Linda Hamilton. But she did do a good job on the role.

[Opinion Owner]

It’s when there is a blatant one sided agenda behind it is when I get pissed.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, like I said, not getting that at all.

But they shouldn't do a second flick.

[aaa9501]

The feminist propaganda was way too blatant throughout the entire movie and I also hated Brie Larson's acting. Some people just aren't fit to play superheros. I was extremely disappointed

And before someone says I'm against women playing lead roles in movies, I absolutely loved Wonder woman.

[RolandCuthbert]

So feminist propaganda was not blatant throughout Wonder Woman?

Haha!!!

They actually tell Diana she can't be in the war room because she is a woman.

[aaa9501]

I'm not saying there wasn't any in wonder woman but it wasn't even close

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, you saw a completely different movie. The women live on an island free from suffering, violence, and all manner of evil. . . because there are no men.

Yeah, nothing feminist about that.

[aaa9501]

Again, I never said there was no feminism in wonder woman. There absolutely was, but the main theme of the movie wasn't a woman breaking free from the restraints of men (basically the entire premise of Captain marvel).

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, you made up that premise.

Any casual viewing of the film, reveals a plot that twists off the traditional one that Marvel told as the origin story. So instead of the Kree being the heroes, they become the villains. Their own scientist was working to end the war. But a faction lead by Jude Law within the leadership wanted to continue the war. The power source that is the origin for Brie Larson's powers is the reason why she is taken and then lied to about her origins.

All the other feminist stuff is just kind of thrown in afterwards. But it isn't even that much.

Wonder Woman is actually built upon the notion that men are inherently violent and unworthy. Do we have to revisit the conversations the Amazons had or the lectures from Aries?

You just seem to project your issues. Again, if you had a problem with Brie's statements, that is one thing. But to claim this movie is somehow more political or more feminist isn't really having a conversation.

[aaa9501]

Lmao thanks for the plot summary, but there was a deeper meaning that you may have missed.

Didn't you make the connection during the climax of the movie when she broke free from the higher intelligence and unleashed her true powers? The flashbacks she had were memories of her being put down by the men in her life.

Jude law represented the male figure who kept her in check and prevented her from reaching her true potential, always telling her to use her brain and not her emotions (women are always told that they are too emotional).

Also I actually haven't seen what Brie said about the movie, so no that has nothing to do with my opinion of the movie.

[RolandCuthbert]

Oh, you can imagine any meaning you wish. And you have an active imagination. Somehow an island paradise that only has women, while the rest of the world is at war, slipped passed you.

But we have to get really creative to find some feminist angle on Brie and Jude's characters in the Kree. Nevermind the Supreme Intelligence is voiced by a woman, not a man. Nevermind that there are women in higher ranks of the Kree leadership.

And they are absolutely evil.

So you can keep figuring and adding and subtracting in all kinds of creative ways to find a feminist message in that. . . which was blatantly more insulting of men than just five minutes of Wonder Woman.

But when there is a will, there is a way.

I mean, did she even hit one single woman in that entire flick?

Uhm. . . no.

And here is the biggest flaw in your argument.

1. Should little girls be allowed to compete with boys?

2. Should little girls be allowed to drive race cars or participate in other dangerous sports?

3. Should women be allowed to fight in the armed forces.

We have this discussion every single day in American society.

But what did Wonder Woman do? It put all of mankind on trial. We are supposed to be incapable of peaceful coexistence.

Yet, you can't even see that is the premise of the film. That a world run by men, cannot compete with one run by women.

The only issue is that Wonder Woman is a superior film when it comes to story telling. So you don't notice the message.

And that alone is hilarious. What does her mother say? "They do not deserve you".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb8IR-HHO1g

[aaa9501]

"the only issue is that Wonder woman is a superior film when it comes to story telling. So you don't notice the message." That's literally the point I'm trying to make. Both movies clearly had feminist propaganda, but it was way too blatant in Captain marvel that it ruined the movie for me. It also made it too predictable, I knew what was going to happen halfway through.

[RolandCuthbert]

Your first post is that the issue with Captain Marvel was that there was blatant feminist propaganda throughout the film.

That's literally our first statement.

So debate yourself.

My point was that both were had feminist movies, but the only one blatant was Wonder Woman. Not many whined about it because Gal Gadot was not saying offensive comments before the movie.

I don't know why in the world it is blowing box office expectations. Because it is definitely not in the same class as Wonder Woman.

[aaa9501]

Yes that's what I said and what I meant, key word being blatant. I guess you didn't get what I meant by blatant. (Blatant: completely lacking in subtlety; very obvious).

You contradicted yourself in your last two replies. First you said wonder woman has superior story telling so you don't notice the message. Now you're saying wonder woman is the only blatant one. Those two statements are contradictory.

Again, as I said earlier, I haven't even seen the comments Brie made before the movie, so that has no influence on my opinion.

[RolandCuthbert]

How is that contradictory? I thought the feminist overtones were blatant. Indeed, even some the limes had me wincing and wanting to debate the characters.

I am certain you didn't think so, hence your take on the film. And I have repeatedly pointed that out to the MGTOW folks in the thread. Go to your websites, they all have reviews that take apart the feminist propaganda in Wonder Woman.

It is in no way a comparison to Captain Marvel. Which only garnered attention because of Brie's comments. If she had said nothing, we would not be having this conversation.

Guaranteed.

So as for your claim. I do not believe you.

[aaa9501]

If the feminist overtones were so blatant then the storytelling wasn't good enough to cover the message: contradictory.

Ok I'm telling you for the fifth time I did not see the comments that were made before the film. Also even if I did, it definitely wouldn't influence the way I feel about the it. I don't associate the lives of the actors/actresses to the characters they play.

Separate issue, but Gal Gadot was a part of the IDF at some point in her life and I'm highly against the state of Israel. I still loved Wonder woman and applauded her performance in the movie, even though I have an issue with the country she represents.

[RolandCuthbert]

You didn't notice the blatant feminist overtones. For me that was the movie's first, middle, and last points. That men were evil and women were good.

But maybe it is not so weird that you didn't notice the actual foundation the movie was built upon. That being men were evil, on a path to destruction and needed to be saved by one single woman. Especially since you made up the plot of Captain Marvel. Only noticing a two minute flashback of her reasons for becoming an Air Force pilot. Because for the vast majority of the film, she has no idea where she came from or how she became a Kree.

Which is besides the obvious point that the whole issue gender roles is something we actually debate in real life and can/should have disagreements on. But no one should be confused about men being inherently evil and incapable of living together peacefully, since that is an obviously disgusting and sexist argument.

And you can claim it for the 90th time dude. I don't believe you. Period.

[aaa9501]

Okay I just read what she said and I'm assuming you're talking about the comments she made about the white male critics? I don't really see anything wrong with that statement tbh. And I really don't see how those comments would make anyone hate Captain Marvel, unless you were talking about something else she said. If you were talking about something else, post the link please I'd like to read it.

It seems as though you weren't paying attention to all those details in Captain marvel then if you think I made up what I said earlier because I'm definitely not the only one who saw the connection. I will admit though, it's been a while since I watched wonder woman and I don't remember the details so I may be giving it too much credit on being less feminist. But I can assure you, Captain Marvel was trying too hard to push the feminist propaganda and it could've made up for it if the story was better.

[RolandCuthbert]

All I can say to your first comment is "whatever".

I do not believe you.

As for the feminist overtones in Captain Marvel, they are nothing compared to WW. Even the scenes you submitted were questionable. Again, those are actual debates we have in American society every single day.

But no one should be making the claim that men are only capable of violence.

Yet, you are still talking about the two movies being equivalent somehow.

That is simply amazing.

[kamalravi25]

I loved this movie.
The part when she unleashes her full power. 😍

[RolandCuthbert]

Meh. . .

[Jager66]

Rotten Tomatoes right now