What is the purpose of a father in a family? is he irrelevant compared to the mother?

[CriticalCatDad]

Yes, father's are irrelevant. Explains why there are so many fatherless homes with single mothers.

No, father's are important. (Explain why in comments)

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Many people think that mothers tend to be better parents because women are, on average, more empathetic and pay more attention to a child's needs. But Farrell says this by itself is not enough, because "an empathetic parent does not create an empathetic child. An empathetic parent is someone who's always thinking of the children's needs, which teaches the children to always have his or her needs thought of."

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The rate of fatherless households has increased partly because of welfare programs that "tear the family apart by giving the money to mothers when fathers are absent," Farrell argues, "and not giving money to mothers when fathers are present."

[TheSpaceGnome]

Raising kids by yourself does not work unless rich, welfare problems are only given to those on low income, and even with welfare, they cannot afford the basics for one person, let alone themselves and 1 child.

Having 2 parents allows for each parent to have more free time and double the income.

Most children want a mother and a father, and feel abandoned when they do not have both, this is instinctual, and most couples want to be a family unit, this is also instinctual.

With the advent of formula, it is possible to raise a child with no parents via a nanny or butler, but its not ideal and the child will usually grow up depressed.

[CriticalCatDad]

"Having 2 parents allows for each parent to have more free time and double the income "

While dad has to work and then come home to belittling and being bitched at for not having the energy after work to help around the house? As well as being forced to pay child support to her hoping she uses it on the kids when we all know women don't. I don't know about you but the idea of that doesn't make me want to be a father or a husband.

Most couples do not want to be a family unit do you know what the divorce rate is do you know how many women compared to men initiate divorce?

You're programmed, and know absolutely nothing.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Housholds today that are not upper class need 2 incomes to get by, not 1. In those cases childcare and chores are to be split 50/50.

Upper class can do single income, but the breadwinner isn't responsible for chores, instead the homebody is, and gets paid by the breadwinner like a normal job to do said chores as their job, ie they become the housemaid/nanny/butler.

You are talking about a lower income class family that does not understand how to behave like adults or raise a child. Those types of people should either not have sex, or get snipped to avoid having children, or wait to have sex until they mentally mature.

You cannot base a normal family unit on adults who act like bratty children, also maybe not date those types of people.

No one is programmed, take responsibility for your own actions.

[CriticalCatDad]

Dude women don't take responsibility for their actions 🤣

Men aren't the breadwinners anymore because of feminism it's considered mysoginistic. Like I said you know nothing and are programmed to think fathers are important when they're not. Thing you or anyone say will convince me otherwise

[CriticalCatDad]

I will never be a father and if I'm unfortunate enough to become one I will abuse the fuck out of the woman and the child especially if I have a daughter

[TheSpaceGnome]

The average pay for a nanny/butler is $19.15 per hour, so unless you pay the homebody that, they cannot be expected to do all the chores and childcare.

[CriticalCatDad]

I do not want to bring a girl into a world where she is privileged as fuck and I definitely don't want to bring a boy into this cruel world

[CriticalCatDad]

No one gets a nanny/butler that's not common

[TheSpaceGnome]

This is not to be confused with gold digging, in which a person marries a wealthy person in an attempt to mooch off of them or divorce them for half their earnings. This is instead getting paid to be the only houseworker and parent while the other gets paid by their employer to do whatever job they have.

[CriticalCatDad]

You hold this shit at too high a value while it's putting you the father in the shittiest position possible and you can't even figure that out

[CriticalCatDad]

I've had wealthy men tell me to never get married why the hell do you think they'd tell me that? You think they're just bullshitting me they lined miserable as fuck

[CriticalCatDad]

Looked*

[TheSpaceGnome]

The biggest problem right now is people have sex when they cannot afford to have children.

[CriticalCatDad]

People are idiots to have sex in the first place

[TheSpaceGnome]

I did not get notifications for any of your responses, so assume that after your first response, i was just finishing my first response. I'm reading all the newer stuff now.

[TheSpaceGnome]

1. Many women (and men) are responsible, many are not.

2. breadwinner family units are actually the most common, but as I said they only make ends meet under the criteria I mentioned, most families do not meet that criteria because they have sex while in poverty and/or do not behave like adults. Also the woman can be the breadwinner while the guy is the paid homebody, it does not have to be the other way around, it doesn't matter who picks what role.

3. If you do not wish to be a father, get snipped or dont have sex or marry a woman who is snipped. No one is forcing you to do anything, I don't want any kids, so when I find a mental match to marry, either she, or I is getting steralized, until then, I retain my virginity, as would she.

4. the world is not the problem, fucking without thinking is the problem.

5. A wealthy player won't get married, but he will end up alone, same for a wealthy slut.

6. Butlers and nannies are an upper class thing, if you can't afford to pay one, you can't afford to have kids and be the only person bringing in income. People simply don't want to admit that kids are expensive.

[TheSpaceGnome]

People used to go on strike with a union for combating poor wages, now they just fight with their spouse over scraps of income and free time... shameful..

[TheSpaceGnome]

I really should have typed "choose wisely" on point 1. I feel like it would have nailed the point home a bit better.

[CriticalCatDad]

Marriage is slavery
Women gain power through sex with men
Feminism is a cancer in our society, culture and country
Your idea of family is insane

[TheSpaceGnome]

Marriage is 2 best friends coupling for life, if one is treated like a slave, thats not a marriage, or a friendship, or love.

Sex is not a power source, its a mutual thing, if she does not view having sex with you as a reward for you having sex with her, then do not have sex with her.

Feminism is cancer, but both men and women getting paid fair wages to do a job is not femenism, its equal pay.

My idea of a family is normal, its been the norm for a very long time and only recently has it been contested by childish idiots.

If you pick trashy people, you get a trashy relationship.

[CriticalCatDad]

I don't have any female friends nor after I was falsely accused and served an ex parte ppo

I'm asexual but even if you had consentual sex she can accuse you if rape or baby trap you why risk those things for temporary pleasure?

Women outnumber men in university and the work force and are complaining that they can't find men who are equally as successful that's their problem

Father's are irrelevant

[CriticalCatDad]

I refuse to give women any more privileged than they already have them just kill my child if they got pregnant why should I give them choices over my life they shouldn't have that much power

[CriticalCatDad]

Anyone who loves women will die miserable

[TheSpaceGnome]

You view relationship dynamics as a competition, would commit child cruelty, and are asexual, so you are irrelevant, but fathers and husbands are not.

[CriticalCatDad]

Not just child but female too

[TheSpaceGnome]

You're not going to convince me or anyone else that is husband material that women are all evil. We are not dumb enough to believe such nonsense, I know plenty of people in successful marriages, and have met many women who are attractive, kind hearted, and loving, enough to be picky about shared hobbies and interests when choosing a wife.

[CriticalCatDad]

Women choose who is husband and father material

[CriticalCatDad]

Men don't get that privilege

[TheSpaceGnome]

I've had the privilage of choosing for a long time, so thats nonsense. Men who complain about no choice are not making themselves a good choice.

[CriticalCatDad]

I don't want to be a good choice I thought that was clear

[TheSpaceGnome]

It was written to be made clear, but your argument against women and marriage also makes clear that you are lying. If you were genuinly asexual, and did not want a relationship or marriage, you would not waste time thinking about any of this, let alone cause a debate over it complaining about how the current world affects sex, marriage, and relationships in general and howcmen get treated in them. You cannot play the part of the victim to a loss you do not even want and expect to make any sense. So logically, it only makes sense if you're lying about what you want.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Now I'm not interested in any further debate since you aren't making any sense and refuse to acknowledge reason, so I'm muting this conversation, I won't get notified of responses.

[Simslover92]

Fathers are important because children look towards their fathers to lay down the rules and enforce them. This is not to say that mothers can't do this but children have a tendency to listen to the father more. Fathers are also needed for a feeling of safety and security. When it comes to daughters, girls need their father for security and emotional support. A father can show her how to select a good man versus the bad boy types. When it comes to sons, boys often take after their fathers. Boys need their father to help them navigate through a society that often looks down upon men. Like for instance that bear vs man meme. A boy might not understand what's going on with that meme but if he has a father to explain it to him and tell him that it's a bunch of bs, then he will have a better outlook on life. He can prepare him for all the things that goes wrong in a man's world. Something a woman just can't do.

[msc545]

I think fathers are thought of as sources of money and not much else. Certainly women place no value on fathers other than money. The same thing is true for the courts.

[CriticalCatDad]

Agreed

[exitseven]

Father's create the stability and security in the family. If they don't they are not doing it right

[SotiCoto]

Sperm donation, mostly. Anything else is make-work.

[gorydetails]

Fathers are critical to a family. Look at the shit show in communities with low father-participation in families.

[DryGermanGuy]

Please stop using the idiot apostrophe.

[OddBeMe]

Neither.