Why do females think they should be told how pretty they are, and tell each other how pretty they are, just because they spent half an hour straightening their hair and another ten minutes on makeup? ... when the same chick is 5'5" and weighs 180 lb. or thirteen stone or whatever? Shouldn't they be focusing on things that actually matter in terms of attractiveness, such as exercising and eating healthily in order to lose weight, instead of low-effort short-term stuff that isn't important?Guys, on the other hand, don't get a haircut if we're chunky and then think like "oh man now I'm hot and deserve a lot of Insta likes." We get off our butt and go to the gym and stop eating pizza as much. It's really not complicated.
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This was a rhetorical question, people. It's not something anyone with sense is actually confused about.
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Thank you for all the people who are smart enough to know that everything I said is true, and that it's a problem for the dating pool.
Why do girls focus on details of their looks like hair, nails, makeup, and think those things matter, rather than actually important stuff-- weight?
Those things are much easier for a female to control and handle than something like weight and body type. There's a lot more to a female's weight that's so easily affected than something as simple as curling their hair, putting on makeup, or getting their nails done. You have to consider adolescents and their physical and psychological development and how it effects their mindset and mental health at the age they are currently at. Weight gain for women is biologically different from men and is much easier to do considering the struggles women face. I'm not saying men don't go their own set of difficulties and struggles but its scientifically proven to have different results between the 2 sexes. And it's more more biologically common for women to gain weight and let go of their physical health that's a representation of their emotional health. It's like asking a guy why it seems to be so much easier for them to play video games and watch sports instead of dealing with deep insecurities and spending hours every day fixing internal problems. It's just how women deal with stress differently.
There have been tons of studies done that address this question and that's my summary of the ones I've read so far. Women deal with stress, anxiety, and trauma differently than men so and binge eating foods that have higher calories is a VERY normal response for women. Also women require more of certain foods that contain more fats, carbohydrates, and calories typically because of menstrual cycles. If you actually bother to do research into women's health you'd probably be surprised at what happens with women physically both biologically.
(squints and pinches the bridge of nose in obvious mental discomfort) ... Okay. Absolving bad behavior with the catch-all of "it's normal" is not logical, or relevant, or anything. --If you scream in my face, "IT'S NORMAL" for me to want to punch you. That's a normal response. Why are you suggesting that laziness and poor choices are not a big deal because they're "normal," when they clearly and demonstrably and objectively lead to bad results? It isn't a matter of psychology, gal. Yes, overriding *your most base instincts of apathy and gluttony* in order to improve as a person does take effort. Correct. Great. Stellar assessment and justification of laziness and obesity here, mate.
I'm not justifying being unhealthy as being good and a right lifestyle lol. I'm just explaining this issue is a thing in our society. There are many unhealthy and rather bad or wrong things within our culture or society yet that have been deemed normal and ok because of the sheer amount of people who consider it normal. The phrase normal in a social sense is based on a percentage of people who find or participate in that attribute. Homosexuality used to be considered wrong and totally not normal until society changed and now even the dsm-5 has changed its stance on the once abnormal behavior. Being overweight doesn't mean a person is truly unhealthy and really, measuring someone's body for health factors doesn't have a universal standard for measurements or exact numbers. Its a spectrum for people. But there are very obvious people who are very unhealthy because of their weight and thats a sad thing. We shouldn't be glorifying body types like morbid obesity or anorexia and neither should we shame them. We should be encouraging all body types to strive for healthy standards of living which most definitely includes exercising.
Over eating, exercise, and over all physical health actually does involve a great deal of psychology. It's the foundation for living a healthy life. So in order for people to begin to do physical things to change their lives in a healthy manner it must first start within the mind. People have to go through a lot of mental and emotional things sometimes before they can even step foot in a gym or begin to eat healthier foods or cut back on their portions
because girls regardless of their size. who act or dress like trashy sluts. are more likely to get attention from more guys. when it comes to modern hookup culture. so they have a high chance of getting sex.
however might not always be the attention they want or from the type of guys they want.
because guys who are looking for a long term relationship. don't often go for those types of girls.
many bigger girls use words like curvy, thick, voluptuous or plus size. to make themselves feel better about their size. or hide the fact that in reality they are just unhealthy.
weight lose is roughly 80% diet and 20% exercise. if you cut back on sugar, breads, pastas, dairy and only junk foods. the average person can lose up to 50 pounds or more in a year. with little or no extra daily exercise required.
now getting more fit, defined or reducing extra skin. often requires more muscle tone and exercise. along with healthier planning for meal and drink options.
the list of desirable females is always decreasing. because they look unattractive / act like stuck up prudes / are sluts who jump from one dick to the next or are already taking by another guy. part of why many guys opted out of dating all together.
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or they end up dating trans girls because many of them. tend to be more traditional feminine then modern girls do.
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Feminism.
You can't judge anyone on their looks anymore otherwise a bunch of women and their friends will scream at you and attempt to shame you.
It's ironic because they're all putting effort into how they look in other ways.
They have their "body positivity" and other flowery words that make them all feel more included in the pool of desirability and less uncomfortable with themselves.
Well, it's not REAL feminism, like being able to vote and get medical care, it's bullshit nonsense feminism. It's "feminism." As in, entitled morons thinking they should be able to do whatever they want and the world should bend to suit them.
Who says they’re not focusing on managing their weight while practicing and maintaining good healthy hygiene habits that make you feel and look good. Losing weight takes time and discipline. You won’t notice results as fast as styling your hair and applying mascara. What’s the opposite of actually caring about all this? They care about their appearance. That’s no red flag right there. Maybe, instead, create a mytake on diet and exercise. Some people struggle to lose weight because they don’t know how.
Nice question! I guess nowadays everyone says "be yourself and feel confident in your skin no matter what"! One doesn't even dare anymore telling someone they're fat! That's very bad!! One SHOULD tell people they are too fat in order to move their bums and to do something about it! I am not even speaking in an aesthetical way but in order for THEM to have a healthier and longer life without all the extra meds that they'll require if they don't loose weight... I don't know, many people just live in denial because one cannot be truthful anymore! 😕
Because losing weight is hard, it requires more than just surface-level adjustments. You need motivation, energy, and time to lose weight. Not everyone is up for the challenge, so they believe making small adjustments to their appearance will make them appear now attractive.
Because a girl can own it in whatever way she want and be proud to walk out feeling herself. She does not need the world's permission to feel and be beautiful.
Beauty is all around no matter what size, shape, number, and form
people can be in a heavy weight size/number due to different things such as depression, medical reasons, or etc.
make up is part of our accessory and an art, plus it's fun.
everyone has their own views what is "attractive" / "healthy" and it seems both genders might hold a different perspective each their own.
Personally, the more weight I gained the more makeup I put on my face since I knew I was getting less attractive and I was desperate to hide it. I decided to wake the fuck up eventually and I already lost 25 pounds! (I was about 136 pounds at my heaviest). Answering your question, I was suffering from depression and I had little control over my body. Things like makeup and hair stuff are so much easier to do and don't take as much effort as losing weight.
Those things are easier than maintaining a healthy weight for most people. However I wouldn't agree that men are any better in this regard. Most men just don't do anything to improve their appearance & then expect women to be equally attracted to them, as they are to women.
Taking reference back to the question that was trending a week or so ago about how much time people put into getting ready. Majority of men said they basically rolled out of bed and went. Like I'm sorry but if most men womt even take care of their basic daily hygiene then I dont want to hear shit about my being overweight.
Oh they most certainly are related. I'm sorry but a guy I can not be attractive to me if he can't even bother to brush his teeth in the morning and has breath that smells like the devils ass. To me that doesn't matter how much you work out l, eat right, if you can't perform basic hygiene its unattractive.
They would rather do something that takes less effort. It takes a ton of time to lose all that weight, whereas you can just spend a little on makeup to make your eyes sparkle.
Well for me i focus on weight and balance my diet take pilates than all those so not everyone is into that i have seen my age like that and ill say im the only one in class like that
Well it’s simple. They enjoy sitting infront of a mirror applying colourful products to themselves. Exercise tho? Giving up sweets? Now that’s hard work.
yeah tho to all you ladies out there, lose the make up, lose the fancy nails, and go on a run. Substance is more important than appearance and I know I don’t speak for all men but me personally I could give less of a fuck what products a girl is using, I just want her to be healthy and that means not being fat
Um because they want to? The idea that girls dress up or wear makeup, because they want to be considered pretty or attract is preposterous. Makeup is a means of artistic expression
Mention which part? That it's not up to you to decide? Your statement is very unclear. Not that it matters. You said your question is rhetorical? That's because you believe you already have the answer? You have control over you and your own choices. Not her and her choices. My choice would be to focus on my health. But I can't make that choice for her.
Because just because a person is overweight does not mean they can not be Attractive,... Weight is more about overall health more than about being pretty or not. If you don't like overweight women, don't date em, but don't think they can't wear make-up or that they can't be pretty just cuz you don't think so... And one question? How do you know they don't try to work out or watch what they eat? They could be working on their weight, weight loss does take time you know, it don't happen overnight... But why people spend so much time worrying about other people instead of just worrying about themselves is beyond me 🤷🏼♀️
"Because just because a person is overweight does not mean they can not be Attractive" Yes, it does. "Weight is more about overall health more than about being pretty or not" uhhh... they're intertwined. "How do you know they don't try to work out or watch what they eat" ... Obviously they're doing it wrong if they look like ^ her up there. If she was actually at the beginning of her weight loss journey, then she (and others like her) wouldn't be reveling in her disgusting weight by wearing a "fat bitch" shirt, as though that's like cute or something. "why people spend so much time worrying about other people instead of just worrying about themselves" yayyyy, yet another person who doesn't know what a "logical fallacy" is. This may be a record for a single post.
Whatever... Point is... Worry about YOUR OWN flaws... Oh let me guess, YOU don't have any, you're Mr. perfect, right? And umm, do know what logical fallacy means, do you? Or you just another throwing words out without really knowing what it means... Cuz how logical is it for you to think YOU have a right to tell others how to live, what to wear, etc... Again work on your own self, and let others do the same 🙂
This culture of fat acceptance is going in a bad direction. These women who want to remain fat are shooting themselves in the foot. Add that to the socialist, anti-sexual expression, anti-pornography, rich hating, beauty hating, cancel culture, etc, and you've got a dangerous mix.
I think most people have almost had it with this madness. Society is getting closer and closer to it's boiling point. This is likely to not end well for this new breed of pro-socialism conservatives.
Uhhh... you started fine and then went off the rails. No idea what you're talking about with "socialism" up in here in a topic about females being fat and lazy, but okay dude.
Because those things don't require much work or effort to change. No one has gotten obese through hard work and exercise. Sadly most are stuck in an endless negative feedback loop of depression, where their self image feeds their depression, leads to over eating, and lowers their self image. Joy is the cure for depression, but True Joy is only found with Christ.
To some people weight doesn't matter. For you to say that weight is ther only thing that matters is pretty judgmental. Quite frankly I've seen bigger girls that are far more attractive than skinny girls. This whole subject in general is subjective anyway. What matters to some doesn't matter to others.
Yeah, man... no, it isn't subjective. The nature of human attraction has been, you know... what's the word, oh right, studied. There are data. There are statistics. There are features and aesthetic that have been *proven* to be pleasing to, and sought-after by, humans. And there are ones that have been proven to be the opposite. Adiposity, or fat, is one of the negative things. You're literally not living in reality. Perhaps you have seen couples of fat people together, or one person skinnyish and one person fat (usually the female), and that's exactly what I'm talking about-- those guys that are with the fat girls are often not actually particularly attracted to the fat girl. The overall dating pool utterly sucks because so many females refuse to lose weight-- fat girls get guys because guys have the strong biological imperative to have sex, and *we don't have a better option out there other than the fat girl so that's what many of us pick.* Don't live in non-reality dude.
You know 180pounds and 5'5 isn't that big right? I'm 5'4 and 150 pounds...
My question is why are you so concerned with other peoples weight?
30-second rule, if the person can't fix what is wrong in the next 30 seconds, don't mention it. Things that can be fixed: food in teeth, make up running, attitude.
Things that cannot be fixed and is none of your damn business: weight.
Uh, 180 lb. at 5'5" is massive. You aren't living in objective reality if you think otherwise. You're also not living in reality if you think that weight can't be changed, like my God that's astounding. I might as well believe that cancer doesn't exist just because I don't like cancer, or anything else that's utter nonsense and not based in fact. Do you know what a "logical fallacy" is?
... I know what a pound-to-Kg conversion is. Implying that the weight isn't very much because you converted it into kg instead of pounds is... well, absurd. A girl who is 5'5" and 180 pounds is a minimum of thirty pounds overweight, or an extra 20% on top of what her actual healthy weight would be. Again, your body yourself being "pretty average" is completely and utterly irrelevant-- all that means is that the average female is overweight, which, regrettably, she is. At least in the West. If "the average guy" in Country X is seven feet tall, that's still very very tall for a human, regardless of whether it's the average or not. Saying that it's "the average" doesn't mean anything. All that means is that the average is bad.
And since you avoided mentioning whether you know what a "logical fallacy" is, or not, suggests that you don't. There are many kinds of logical fallacy-- one of them is the classic one you just employed, of "why do you care," which is closest to an ad hominem logical fallacy. It doesn't matter why I care, or don't care, because the issue itself isn't about me, the asker; it's about the fat females that the question is regarding. "I have cancer, and cancer is bad." "Why do you care?" ... as though asking why I care that cancer is bad will somehow make the cancer go away.
All I pretty much said was that you have no right to be commenting on others weight? They know what their weight is. They don't need a stranger telling them and making them feel like shit
@MissLlyn Yeah see, the point is that there are barely any of them out there, because indeed, the "average" female is overweight. Because they're focusing on their hair being styled instead of exercising and eating healthily. "Just date slim girls" awesome, can I get ten thousand dollars too while I'm at it, just because?
Actually I do have that right. If you don't want to be corrected don't put out false information. If you do put out false information by mistake and are proven wrong admit you are wrong and move on instead of changing the conversation to something that makes you feel better about yourself in your pretend land safe space.
Big and massive are not interchangeable. Big refers to the dimensions of the object or size. Massive refers to the mass or weight/density of an object.
I don't think the term massive has a select weight. It's up to individuals opinion. You may think it's massive but others like myself and @MissLlyn think otherwise.
Umm... yeah, you're wrong. I can think the world is flat too-- I would be wrong. There's this nice thing called "objective reality" that we all live in, including you.
Massive is a descriptive word. It's used to describe something or a group. Therefore it is actually up to personal opinion. My take on massive is much different to yours. That's ok. People can have differing opinions, basically what this site is about. No?
The girl in the picture is somewhat attracted to me. My only issue would be that when she hits 35 she will probably need one of those electric scooters and will trade her significant other as a slave because she's too lazy to get up off of her ass. Her car will probably smell like BO and ketchup if it doesn't already.
Changing your weight is a long term thing. Changing your hair or nails is a short term thing. You can do both simultaneously. You have no idea if the girl in that photo is currently on a diet and active workout schedule.
God damn are we bigger girls not allowed to fucking breath any more? I will put on makeup and dress nice! Because I'm bigger I should just not care? 🙄😪
By the way I AM on a health journey so don't push that "health" agenda at me
Bigger people should be allowed to dress proper and feel confident while taking steps to be healthy.
I'm not "pushing" anything. And "why do you care" is a logical fallacy, the same as the other chick asked. It isn't about me. Nighttime is still dark, whether I care about it or not. My care, or lack thereof, is irrelevant. If you're taking steps to lose weight, then great, good luck.
If you understood more about dating, which you apparently don't, then you would understand why it matters to other people, and wouldn't need to ask in the first place. Spare me.
Because applying nail polish is easier than doing exercise and eating healthy.
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With all due respect.
When you Don't know the whole story, you should probably just stfu!
Do you know that weight problems are even linked with psychological problems, or with certain medication "that makes the person gain weight"? You probably didn't.
So let her be cute and feel good about herself rather than shaming her for how she's living her life as well as her weight, and mind your own business, no one is asking you to look at her or be attracted to her, or even be with/near her.
When people would start minding their own business for God's sake!
Hi. You're really suggesting that more than 100 million Americans have quasi-defined "medical problems" that make them fat? Wow. That's a hell of a lot of the population. If what you're saying is correct, and it's not due to simple poor life choices, like eating too much and not exercising, then why wasn't a third of the American population obese or fat in centuries past?
its easier to change the details i guess... oh and if you didn't want answes to what you now claim to be a rhetorical question you may well have been better to do a my take rather than ask a question... thats what the my take option is for
There's no substantive difference between the two, mate. One has a question mark at the end and one doesn't. I obviously wanted commentary or I wouldn't have asked it in the first place. It is a rhetorical question.
I understand, what I'm saying is I want commentary, but the idiots saying "why do you care" are... well, idiots. There's no arguing with objective fact.
We just think differently from guys. While for you our hair is barely noticeable for us is a relevant thing, and a lot of women want pretty nails. Plus it is easier than doing bigger efforts like exercise or reduce ingestion.
Bullshit. Most women will lose weight, or attempt to because most people don't know what they are doing, and not every guy goes to the gym whether he wants to lose weight or not. A gym isn't required to lose weight.
... Uh... I didn't say that a gym was required to lose weight, or even suggest it. I was using it as an easy example of something that people often do when they do want to exercise more and lose weight... which they do.
Your example is saying men would do that as opposed to women that apparently focus more on makeup than "losing weight". Are there women like that? Sure. If most women are like that wherever you are, then you must live in a shit hole. Most women are aware and will make the effort to lose weight. Women don't just wear makeup or dress to attract. Yes, people do use the gym.
@Warmapplecrumble Yeah gal "some guys" do, but the number of guys who actually truly *prefer* chubbier females, as opposed to ones that are simply tacitly accepting chubbier females because there are no other options around them, is actually pretty small.
You keep bringing up to other people who are trying to discuss a different point of view with you a logical Fallacy. I'm asking what that has to do with the question you asked and exactly what point are you trying to make with it?
No. You're not understanding the question I'm asking. You throw around these words but I don't think you really understand what they mean. And judging by your responses to others it appears you just want your opinion validated rather then to have an actual adult conversation about the topic. Your opinion, however, is lacking any real depth because it's nothing more then that, an opinion based on your own preferences and biases. I could go into more detail but it seems you lack the ability to understand the concept of informed responses and critical thinking and that this post is just a way to get you opinions validated by a bunch of random people on the internet because let's face it you probably dont have the balls to bring up your opinions in person.
Honey... (pats you on the head) ... you don't have a point. Tie your shoes now and stop fussing so we can go play outside. You get cranky if you miss your nap.
... Because it poisons the overall dating pool to have females telling fat females and telling each other and all that *lying* to each other about how they're pretty, when they're not? Because then that lets borderline girls think they can be lazy and fat and still be attractive, when they aren't? So as a result, there are fewer and fewer and fewer females out there who are actually attractive and dateable? And guys don't have this problem or we get discarded? So rather than bitch about it, we adapt? And it would be nice to see females do the same things?
1. Many people tell me I am attractive but I still have low self esteem. Many women I know have low self esteem. Just because a woman says to another woman she's attractive the woman doesn't accept it internally.
2. I'm really sure that they are doing their best to loose weight. I mean when I lost weight I lost my periods. So I'm actually happy to get my periods back even though it's made me fatter. You don't know their story, or medical reasons.
3. I see plenty of men that are as big and they don't do anything about it. But we don't have a right to tell them about their body. We should be understanding and be there and still love them because when they are happy they will have motivation to be more healthy. Being depressed makes you want to do nothing.
It's not about the "right" to say something. Everyone has a right to speak. Everyone has a right to make objective observations. And no, many fat girls are not working on their weight, at all. They actually flaunt it, because they've been lied to for years that they are attractive. Guys give them dick because there aren't better options around. And no, most guys don't expect to also be viewed as hot if we're fat. Yes, lots of fat dudes stay fat, but they are not under the incorrect impression that they're going to get girls when they're like that. Girls for some reason think they should be.
Yes, sure, if a female (or male), anyone is ACTUALLY working on their weight, we should absolutely encourage them-- as I did on another girl's comment here on this same post who said she used to be fat and then knuckled down and started exercising and eating right in order to lose the weight. That deserves congratulations. You really think a chick like that ^ hippo up there who clearly thinks she's hot when she isn't, and is wearing a "fat bitch" shirt while flipping off the camera is on some sort of weight loss journey? It's rather obvious that she, and the millions of others like her, are comfortable being fat, and that leaks out to poison the dating pool. Laziness has become acceptable.
I think it's wrong for you to tell people to loose weight unless you are related to them and sincerely caring about their health.
You have no idea how they are loosing weight they might have developed anorexia.
You don't know the medical reason why they are that weight.
You don't know their body fat, so you cannot possibly tell them they are overweight or obese or anything. You might see me on the street and call me fat for all I know. And medically I am at correct weight. But I might go home and develop hormonal problems by loosing weight.
No, that's not how anorexia works. It's not like "Oh, I want to get fit and lose some extra weight that isn't good for me" and then two weeks later I'm practically dying because my body weight is so low, which is what anorexia is.
Okay, sorry to hear that, but the point is that no matter how one person words something on the Internet, a person needs to be telling THEMSELVES the correct things they need in order to move forward in a positive way. I am all for giving people positive encouragement if they have woken up and realized that they are fat and that's not okay, and to try to lose weight in a meaningful and healthy and positive way. But ^ this shit up here that I'm describing is the total opposite of that. This is females who don't give a shit that they're fat and unattractive and think the world should bend to suit them and lie to them and each other, and believe the lie that fat is attractive, or else the whole world is at fault. That's idiotic.
I really find it hurtful when you say you want them to loose weight not because it's healthy and you are concerned for them but because that's what you find attractive.
If men thought about the health and still loved them no matter what, it would help. You can't say to someone who looses all their hair to grow it back or wear a wig, because that's a turn off, you accept them and try to help them.
Because they enjoy taking care of their style, plain and simple. It's basically a hobby, nothing wrong with it. Also, losing weight is hard, changing your style is easy.
Okay... I guess I'll try to use this as a teaching moment, in order to help you out.
So an "ad hominem" logical fallacy-- the one you just employed without meaning to because you clearly don't know what one is-- is committed when a person, rather than addressing the point or position or words or argument or whatever that someone just said, instead addresses something about the person themselves, in an attempt to discredit the basis of the perspective because they aren't smart enough to actually say anything substantive about the position itself. For example, if a person said the factually correct sentence, "Cigarette smoking is bad for you," but the person who said it was wearing a MAGA hat, you would be unable to address what he said because it was correct, so instead you would say "You're clearly wrong because MAGA people are idiots," (which they are) thereby undermining the message, even though it was not capable of being disproven because, again, it's a fact-- smoking is indeed bad for you.
The one YOU employed is "mind your own business," when my business can be whatever I please, and is utterly irrelevant to what I'm saying here. Rather than address what I wrote, since it's correct, you instead decided to talk about something else. It's rather pitiful.
I actually didn't know that one cool. . . But just because you've decided to make someone elses life your business doesn't make it so. The entitlement on you is ✨strong✨
Because weight does not matter. Why are you so fixed on that mattering? When you yourself don’t focus on your peewee weighing zip to zero or half a ton.
Fuck an ad hominem. You're correct it's not about you. Your not making any points or saying anything that hasn't already been said. You're not as profound as you may think you are. Ok? Ok
Man, you focus on hatred because you dont understand, because you dont ask the right question...
Coming out of that, you just dont know anything what about you shittalking here... and thats far away from any real question
All what you wrote is a personal opinion, not a question or a fact either way...
Besides, an ideal body is always defined by how good a state stands in the market... poor people - fat chicks... rich people - slim chicks... Like when ww2 was, big girls had a big rise
Also, if you would ask yourself what you would do if you would be a fat guy... maybe a few anwers pop up by yourself
Google how stomach skin reacts to extreme weight loss at a fat person... I do not warn you, because, you need to wake up into reality... and in this reality, there is a higher chance for these ladies to be happy if they stay how they are and stop listening to guys like you...
Well, no, you obviously don't, or else you wouldn't have committed one with your initial comment. That's why I asked. It, like the entire post ^ up there, was rhetorical. Do you know what "rhetorical" means? If not, dictionary. com should be able to help you out.
Well yes I do, and I’m struggling to see what your concern is? Bigger girls have every right to pamper themselves so I’m not seeing why this is an issue for you? 🤨
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