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yeah, they are the beauty standards because they are beautiful. most people can agree on what is aesthetically pleasing in an objective sense. i. e. an ass shaped like a hippos is not aesthetically pleasing.
Beauty standards change from place to place. Here in my country they like curvy (not "thick" or fat) and in your country they probably don't
Oh that was pretty well said🙏🏼
That quote was made to be inclusive of other types of beauty, to be against society.
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Cause for example I might find uhm Tom pretty handsome, but my bestie will say he is the most ugliest person she has ever seen. Lol
Sure there are some beauty standards but just having a big ass won't make you automatically good looking lol
Exactly. I don't even like big asses.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder although health is a universal factor. People generally agree that clear skin, straight, white teeth, and healthy hair are attractive. Symmetry is an important factor. Hair style and makeup can also make a huge difference.
But beyond that, there is no universal standard of beauty. It varies widely in different parts of the world. Even individuals have different preferences. A minor flaw can even add character and make a girl adorable to some.
People could look at photos of a variety of pretty female faces and agree that they are all beautiful, but disagree on which they prefer. One might prefer a certain type of nose, chin, jaw line, cheek, eyebrow, eye color, or mouth/lip shape over another.
When it comes to women's bodies, there is even a greater diversity of preference. Some guys prefer tall or short; skinny, thin, thicc, hourglass or chubby; small, medium or large boobs.
And then there is personality that can make a pretty girl unattractive or a plain girl beautiful.
So, we might agree that a girl is beautiful, but we often do not agree on level of attraction. Media and magazines try to tell girls what beauty looks like, and consumers wind up buying the scam. Beauty contests pick winners and losers, but do we always agree on the choices? It's a bit like trying to rate what kind of music is the best.
I know that I have my preferences, but my perfect ideal doesn't match fashion standards. I think cute is the most attractive of all.
It's called hypocrisy
Each human is different yet he is still a human. We all share the same attributes but just in different degrees.
Beauty is in the eyes of beholder is a sophisticated way of saying "i don't find you good looking but somebody else might". What society accepts may or may not be for the best (if the society accepts a beauty standard where a girl needs to eat less and change her physical body to match it (artificial change such as plastic surgery), it's not a right thing)
There is also something called "golden ratio". Search for "golden ratio and beauty" on google
Golden ratio is an opinion itself. What proves it as fact?
Golden ratio can be calculated mathematically
A series of experiments have been conducted which shows that the people who found certain faces attractive are close to the golden ratio (that is, the measurement which is used as numerator and denominator in finding the ratio tend to yield a value which is close to the "golden ratio")
Therefore, it can be inferred statistically that it can be a useful parameter to objectively judge beauty (not only on human faces but flowers too)
Here is a link below which shows a derivative of golden ratio concept to create a "mask" (for digital purposes i guess)
https://www.goldennumber.net/beauty/
I know, but for it to be fact everyone would have to agree on it. It means that most share that opinion, but they are still opinions and factors such as familiarity play into it.
Thanks for sharing the link.
@Aurora1010 wait, if people agree on something, do you consider it a fact?
A fact is something which exists whether someone believes or not: an ideology is something which exists if people believe in it
For example, you would call a soldier who fought for the country as a martyr (this word is used for denoting someone who died while serving the country and is considered a honor for every patriot, to be selfless for the nation)
I will call the same soldier a casualty of war, a dead man: this may cause an argument between us as my demeanor may indicate disrespect towards the soldier and we may or may not agree to each other's points
However, the fact that he is dead does not change, no matter if you call him martyr or not
Makes sense?
Yeah, it wouldn't be a complete fact if everyone agreed on something to me either that's why I said in the end it's still opinions.
@Aurora1010 I see. I get your perspective however just for the sake of curiosity, i have a quick question: is everything an opinion or are there some things which you consider as an absolute fact? Something which is a complete fact?
I only consider a real fact something which exists as you said.
For example, it's a fact that people have died from covid-19 and that Germany is in Europe.
Because everyone as a collective will not always agree on the same thing. People find Emma Watson to be beautiful there is a whole rave about her, to me she looks below average not even attractive. Some people find Adam Driver to be absolutely hot... I strongly disagree he isn't attractive physically in my opinion. Ed sheeran, people find him hot I also say NO. Sophia Loren in her youth wasn't beautiful to me at all... she had a banging body but thats it.
The reason why society will have beauty standards is because its being pushed by the running power. Only because the running power find it acceptable it is what is. If yoi keep saying something often eventually believe it until you have your own epiphany.
Personality can make someone look hot so thats also plays a part.
Beauty standards change with every era.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Xrp0zJZu0a4Millions of women think the same as you do and work to achieve/maintain that desired look; you're not alone. In almost every woman's head they think they have the ideal look or better. What men see? Clones. Yes, it's hot to some men, but a lot of them are starting to get tired of seeing the same girl over and over again. This beauty fad is going to lose it's luster sooner or later.
Just be healthy, and take care of yourself. You don't have to follow the trends to get attention, just being a healthy weight have having a cute face should be enough to turn heads or get compliments.
*a healthy weight and having a cute face
What it means is that there's lots of grey areas. One woman might only look attractive to 20% of people but those people think she's a top level beauty in some way. Another woman could look good to 80% of people but again... there's people who think she's a total dog. So 100% of people don't agree on everything.
Also that saying was created BEFORE photography even existed. It's easy to look good in a picture, using various tricks. It doesn't mean you can do an apples to apples comparison that's fair between two pictures cause you don't really know what tricks were involved. Most people have relationships with real people, not digital images so the old saying is still true.
You'll find a lot of guys who aren't interested in women with tons of makeup, even IF he thinks she looks good/ish in a picture.
Refer to Desmond Morris's "MANWATCHING: A Field Guide to Human Behavior" mid-70's.
Several Psychological Experiments were conducted wherein newborn infants less than a year old, were exposed to images of a wide range of human being's photos and it was shown that devoid of any human reinforcement by caregivers, the infants shown visible positive responses to attractive strangers than to merely average-appearance-d random strangers. There appears some genetically-inherited transmitted preferences as to 'what' is perceived as being aesthetically subjectively 'attractive', ... such as facial symmetry, ... more pronounced eyes, well-shaped lips, etc.
There are two parts to your question.
First, beauty is not just physical beauty. It's like intelligence, there isn't just one kind...
Second, you must be aware that what we conceive of beauty is socially constructed, but what people perceive as attractive changed.
In Victorian times, being pale white was attractive. How many tanning places are running these days?
Also, think of the paintings of Rubens - in his day being more chubby, for lack of a better word l, was a sign of status, like my previous example.
Try to feel good in your own skin and work on yourself. That is plenty attractive in my book.
Here we go again. People claiming that "society sets the standard of beauty" nonsense. Yet society tried to make fat girls a standard of beauty and failed miserably. There are certain traits that are universal standards of beauty because they indicate health and good genetics. Beyond that it comes down to personal taste. I do not find heavy makeup to be attractive no how matter how often it's pushed as a beauty standard. If anything I find it less attractive the more it's pushed. Blonde women are just beautiful because their genes were selected for beauty over time. Another woman's genes might be selected to be a hard worker, a good caretaker, or to simply be submissive.
Society? Could you be a bit more specific? I guess you are talking about Western eurocentric beauty standards, since you posted a picture of a blonde white woman that fits the definition of attractive in the Western world.. But they aren't the only ones. World population is 7.6 billion. Each ethnicity has their own beauty standards and these tend to be different from place to place and time to time. I could bring up countless examples. For instance, in the Renaissance period, extremely overweight women were considered attractive, if you look at Renaissance paintings.
Also, what's considered fat, slim and normal weight by white, black, Hispanic or Middle-Eastern people, is different...
It's quite simple, really. Both statements are true. It's a matter of mathematics. Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And each individual "beholder" is one vote. So, if the majority of people behold beauty in one person, then that person has a preponderance of support among the populace; therefore they are considered universally beautiful. Some others, while still considered absolutely beautiful by a minority, with not receive such broad-based across the board recognition. Since less people find them beautiful. However, that does not mean that they are not beautiful. Because, again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Because not everyone has the same taste. Even someone considered conventionally attractive and regarded by most as beautiful isn't everyone's cup of tea. Look at the differing opinions on the beauty of models and celebrities.
Conversely, people who are not considered conventionally attractive can still be attractive to certain people.
The girl in the pic is super hot first off and my ideal type. Let me address the beauty in the eye of the beholder statement though. I think it correlates to taste. Example, yes most of the time beauty is universal but definitely not always. Many many many times me and my buddies will be together and have different opinions on which girl is the prettiest. Which assets are best on a woman and things of that nature. Everyone is different.
That's true of matters of taste in general. For example, people have wildly different tastes in food! However, far more people in the world love pizza as opposed to Brussels sprouts, e. g.
People have wildly different tastes in films. However, a film like Titanic gets a super high rating among audiences while some of my favorite horror films get lukewarm ratings and reviews.
We can go on with taste in music and so forth.
So I would say that the very attractive girl in your picture is like pizza. Most people are going to like if not love pizza. However, there are some people out there who actually don't like pizza. They're very rare but I've met some.
There are guys who find me extremely beautiful but yet there are also others who find me average. Then there are those who aren’t attracted to me at all. So yes I can say beauty really is in eye of the beholder
I have seen guys hit on the most average plain looking girls and call them beautiful. So yes beauty is in eye of beholder
What do you look like? You sound average maybe.
It's true that some people are attractive to many, but almost no one is attractive to everyone. I find Anya Taylor-Joy and Margaret Qualley very attractive, but Gigi Hadid not so much.
The point of the saying is that some people are very happy with partners that other generally find unattractive.
There are general beauty standards like symmetry and proportions of face and body. Big eyes, full lips, clean skin, dominant jaw by men can be considered as those general standards as well.
Everything else like amount of body fat, eyes and hair color are very likely regional norms or caused due bias of society.
It's not just how they look but how they project themselves... e. g. how they feel inside from the sub conscious mind. That woman has good looks, but emotionally she's saying something scary... cold/embittered.
As well, what we see is different than what is there because our minds eye forms the image.
There are many types of beauty and a person might objectively say that somebody is good looking but not be attracted to them. You might be attracted to something that is not considered beautiful by the large society.
The common denominator for what people find attractive seems to be good health.
Society promotes certain types so they can make money. I member the '90's with Cindy Crawford, Sharon Stone, and Pamela Anderson. Fast forward to this generation and we got the Kardashians, Nicki Minaj, and Cardi B. All fake but women buy into it. Literally. Yea Pam Anderson got a boob job but she didn't go all out like the Kardashians!
I don't think she's beautiful, I don't think she's ugly either. I have no idea who she is, so for me I can't see her one or the other. But I'm a weirdo apparently, but either way is true that beauty is in the eye of the beholder since my definition of beauty is clearly different than most. Regardless though, society is stupid, just stupid period. Best to listen to them as little as possible really.
Because every individual person is unique and yeah we might all agree that X person is attractive or good looking but it doesn’t mean we can’t find beauty in other things.
I have a thing for dudes with eyepatches. That isn’t considered a beauty standard. So beauty is still in the eye of the beholder.
Beauty is beauty, there's such a thing as being naturally beautiful. Whether it's women, or things in nature, artwork, and otherwise. People may say it to communicate the idea that some may see one thing as beautiful, where others do not. But, the thing is, there is such thing as being naturally beautiful. Whether or not others can see it for a variety of reasons, that is the question.
Go down to Baskin-Robbins. They have thirty one flavors for a reason. The overwhelming number of people are getting the vanilla, strawberry and chocolate. The majority of people agree that this is the ice cream they want. However, sometimes somebody gets the butter pecan. This is the ice cream flavor that person wants despite not being in the majority.
There are obviously trends, there will be done generally accepted ideas of pretty cause in the end, we are all human. But the thing is that there's always exceptions. 99% of the population can think someone's pretty but there might 1% that doesn't and vice versa.
This is a classic nature vs nurture question. There are biological traits that are considered beautiful such as clear skin, symmetrical features, and golden ratios. Basically traits that signify health and other biological factors that signify a good potential mate. Then there are the influences of social beauty standards and the impact that they have on society. If you were to look back 70 years ago they were running ads on how to gain weight not lose it.
It is just like there is no such thing as having good taste or bad taste about something. You just have a taste. To some, it will be good; to others, you have "no taste".
By having a taste, I mean for example: "you have a good taste in selecting furniture".
That is why, everything should be termed a "preference", including beauty, ethnicity, cultural origin.
There is a lot of individual taste involved in what is beautiful. For instance, I've never considered Angelina Jolie to be exceptionally beautiful.
The common factors are usually nice clear skin, symmetry, proportionate body, healthy appearance, angular features.
It is true that there is a general standard of beauty set by society which changes with time but there are always outliers who have their own taste and even among the less extreme outliers there are many who will develop their own criteria for what is attractive.
If that's what you find attractive then so be it. People have different taste... It seems more like you are insecure because people don't agree with you and you aren't getting enough validation, so you have resorted to campaign to promote your perceived beauty standard. By the very fact that you have to work to advertise your beauty standard proves that it is not universal. If it was, it would sell itself.
Because a lot of people tend to agree. Maybe it's because of our anatomy/biology, maybe we're inclined to like certain things. Buy if a single person disagrees, that proves it is in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is commonly agreed upon, but not objective.
For me beauty is subjective. You can grow close to someone less attractive by societal standards and see that they are incredibly beautiful. A person can be gorgeous on the outside and incomplete or unattractive on the inside. I mean physical beauty is one thing, but for most humans, more is needed to complete a true relationship and so people will look past beauty to find the deeper attraction.
It is in the eye of the beholder because you always find some weird person who tells you that someone like Aishwarya Rai or Neha Sharma looks weird. I literally just talked to one such person and it left me bewildered. Is it about beauty being subjective or discrimination based on the country of origin?
Well, that really depends a lot on the person. My crush, she's not exactly the kind of girl 90% of the guys define as “hot”, she doesn't have big boobs, or a kim kardashian-like ass, I've seen girls with such things in college, however I like my crush a lot 😍😍😍
The majority of majority of society DON'T agree on what's beautiful. They are TOLD what is "beautiful" based on standards that fashion and art dictate. And that is based on what has the most marketable "sex appeal" to it.
I can't say much more other than what's already been said (this is gonna sound ironic) but yeah I agree with a lot of the comments below lol. The vast majority of people would rather have things depicted for them instead of thinking for themselves. Being an outlier is never easy... which is why those who tend to think outside of the norm are either admired significantly, or hated for being different.
The majority doesn't agree on what's most beautiful.
But social consensus is made by what societies agrees on.
It's even more telling where they spend their money, time, attention and effort on than what they say it's good. (be it for beauty or otherwise.)
As much as how the society claims that “beauty is in the eye of beholder”, the truth is there are some features/looks that are considered to be globally attractive by our standards whether we realise it or not.
A way where you can't deny a truly beautiful person? Beauty is never a fact, it's always an opinion. I don't find Alexandra Daddario beautiful but you might think her beauty is undeniable.
@NathanDavis surprised pikachu face? 😂
haha, yes...
her eyes are awesome, but that's all it takes for me... lol
Health is the beginning of beauty, and it ends in subjectivity.
Well beauty is mostly mathematically defined. And of course, there is subjective bias, preference, etc. But for the most part, it can be calculated & predicted.
When someone is bad, no matter how beautiful they look ugly...
However being ugly doesn't make you good... I had a lot of ugly mean assholes I was supposed to call friends
I think it's just a general rule, but like with any, there are exceptions to it and the exceptions are when it's subjective.
The thing is the majority of society doesn't agree on what is beautiful. Define which society we're talking about: the American, Korean, Nigerian, Colombian etc. There are 7.6 people on this planet, obviously not everyone is going to agree with each other. Beauty standards change from place to place and time to time. By the way, I don't find the woman on the picture you linked attractive at all. I don't like her face shape, I think high cheekbones and oval faces are more attractive
You’re lying.
How am I lying?
Your opinion is subjective. I don't find this lady attractive. Just because she's blonde, doesn't mean she's pretty
Sure, I don’t believe you at all. Also, I am not saying she is pretty because she is blonde. Yes, it does contribute to her prettiness but she is objectively pretty as a fact.
You are lying in saying she’s ugly. Nobody in this world will find her to be ugly.
Well I've asked a bunch of guys who they think is the hottest girl in the room and a lot of the time they all pick different ones.
Just because society says something doesn’t mean you have to go along with it. I’ll try To get you to go along with it. Don’t. You’ll lose yourself
Because expressions aren't inherently facts. We need to remember that.
For ex. Perception is reality... Who's perception? Who's reality? Beauty like many things is subjective.
Because sadly there are mainstream standards on what’s attractive and what isn’t. It wasn’t a coincidence that the ancient Greeks had their statues.
Because many people don#t dare to speak it out, because it means some people will see them as being assholes for being honest.
The only people who say that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” are ugly people or those trying to reassure ugly people.
Yes, you are correct. There are objective standards of beauty. I could go into it and list them, but what’s the point.
I would say it comes down to whether a person is a follower of someone who beats their own drum.
A majority doesn't agree. Everyone has their own preferences. Even if a majority did agree that fact that their is a minority who doesn't means it is subjective.
Maybe a general idea of beauty. But we all have individual traits we value more.
But if you’re saying society is too obsessed with beauty, no argument.
Because people are hypocrites.
Beauty matters, looks just simply do matter.
Because what's beautiful is the norm, and "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is a feel good bullshit for people who can't tell the truth about your look, or people who can't accept they're ugly.
Society agrees on what is beautiful to the majority. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is for what is beautiful to the individual.
Over the last decade or so I’ve been told by corporations and activists what I should find beautiful, but it doesn’t actually change what I find beautiful.
If someone says stuff like that, they probably aren't very attractive to begin with.
Beauty standards have always been very objective, and anyone thinking otherwise is trying to hide their own flaws.
The majority of society follows trends and will agree with others instead of having a clue to what they really think.
I think it is subjective but their are looks most people generally agree are attractive like straight teeth, clear skin and good health.
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