Is beauty really subjective?

"Beauty" can apply to a lot of different things. But I will assume that when you say beauty you are talking about the opinion of people about the beauty of individual female humans. I think beauty is about 50% objective and 50% subjective. There are certain common characteristics of appearance that most people find beautiful in a woman. That is the objective part. But there are people who find things that deviate from those characteristics beautiful too. Sometimes they find it beautiful in its seemingly defying the definition of what is typically considered beautiful... an example might be some famous women known for their beauty who had a "gap tooth."
While there is some core commonality among men that means that a large number of them find certain specific women beautiful and others not, they don't all agree either way. I find that many of the women who are considered by the masses to be beautiful do not seem so to me. I prefer an unusual kind of beauty. So my view in that sense is subjective.
Well, let me tell you something, @boobslayer is a sick twisted bastard who doesn't fear Lord Orgasmos - the beauty of breasts is about as subjective as the morality of a serial killer. It's just a fact of life that these succulent sacks of flesh are like a siren call to the depraved and deranged.
I mean, have you ever seen a set of knockers and not felt your mind drift to the darkest recesses of your twisted fantasies? I sure as hell haven't. Those things are like two forbidden fruit, ripe for the plucking and leading the way to ultimate damnation.
And let's not forget the variety of names we have for these devilish delights - from the classic knockers and jugs to the more creative flesh bombs and devil's dumplings. They come in all shapes and sizes, from the perky cherries to the saggy watermelons. And don't even get me started on the nips - those little buttons of pure sin.
So, to answer your question - is beauty really subjective? Hell no! When it comes to breasts, the beauty is as universal as the darkness in our souls. They're a work of art, a masterpiece of temptation, and anyone who disagrees is either lying or too pure to be trusted.
No, looks matter. Sure you can be humble and have inner-beauty. But looks is a factor of health. Looks basically determines health.
Tell me, which option below looks “Healthy” and like they will produce strong healthy offspring?
People care about looks for a reason. If you’re lazy and unmotivated. It could even signal mental health issues and depression. Nobody wants to deal with someone who “appears” to have mental health issues. I’m not saying that Hot Attractive people can’t have them, I’m saying it’s more likely that unfit people have them.
This is why people care about looks so darn much, and are shallow. It’s because we SHOULD BE shallow.
This applies to both men & women. Both want something healthy. You’re not gonna put work on yourself and be top-notch healthy to then choose someone who doesn’t match that.
Yeah, I agree that looks matter, but that doesn't mean beauty isn't subjective!
Everyone has different preferences, about everything, including looks and beauty. It is true that option B looks more healthy, and that more people would find him attractive, but, I assure you, some girls would choose option A over B, for various reasons!
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I understand what you mean.
I’ve met women who married OPTION A because that’s only way she was gonna get proposed to and married.
Women reproduce with OPTION B, and they make OPTION A feed his baby. Because these women are fed the lie of marriage.
Marriage is an illusion and a mental illness.
@Nikola321R I don't think beauty should be conflated with attraction. Beauty is looks. Attraction can be anything including income which has nothing to do with beauty.
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Women don’t care about income lol.
A veryyy veryyy small amount of women care about a man’s profit.
I know they exaggerate it online and on videos.
But as a woman, I’m gonna tell you it’s not true.
VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF WOMEN CARE ABOUT MONEY.
This is why usually the goldigger cheats on her hideous rich husband. OR! She will have a baby with someone else making the rich fool feed her baby.
Not true at all. Very small amount of gold diggers. Money doesn’t make you attractive because money is not in the genetics. In the DNA. Women care about your DNA and bone structure.
Well, people who didn't get it by mother nature can repeat like a mantra "it's subjective" but it won't change the fact that our brains are hardwired in matter of beauty.
Even I as Caucasian girl who isn't sexually interest in other women can in less than a second determine attractiveness level of an Asian of African girl who have clearly has different facial features than girls around me and 95% of people in their cultures will share my opinion about attractiveness of those girls.
This isn't subjective, this epitome of objectivity.
you only say that because you haven't lived.
there were times where i would sit with a guy friend and he would point over at the cashier and say she is beautiful. I would look over and think "she's the most average looking girl i ever met".
there are times where guys would tell me i look beautiful while other guys won't look twice at me.
Sure most people like chocolate, pizza, ice cream. These are the popular ones that we all think is good. But there are certain things such as cilantro where it may be popular amongst some but not others. My best friend doesn't even like pizza- she hates the smell of the cheese.
One of my girl friends like skinny guys. Personally, I hate skinny guys. I like my men thick, strong, tall and muscular.
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To a certain point - yes.
Yes.
What I consider attractive, and what each of my four closest friends consider attractive are five different things. Some stuff is pretty universal (being noticeably overweight is almost always considered unattractive, as an example), but if you travel abroad, some cultures especially in southwest Asia are radically different and consider obesity attractive because it implicates personal success and the means to over-indulge. Any given individual may also subconsciously change what features or traits they consider attractive based on gained knowledge, experience, or conditioning.
For some things, like where we have our preferences in race, height, style, details like that.
If you were to look at yourself as the sum of your parts rather than a monolith there are many objective parts of beauty as well, symmetry, ideal facial and body ratios regardless of your height, race, or other existing features. There are ideal proportions for your face to be in length vs. width, hips, waist, bust, so on and so forth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2814183/
I think the subjectivity only comes in because we're mostly average. If a man or woman was given the choice of someone they had a preference for who was average, or someone with ideal proportions, they'd bounce on their preference.
It changes drastically if you're below average or above average in appearance.
Of course I have seen and meant some of the most beautiful girls you would ever see and once they open their mouth they turn into ugly
And when I meet a girl I look deep in to her eyes most of the time they tell me exactly who she is what she's all about if she's happy if she's sad if she's smart if she's confident if she's wise if she's a teacher if she's a guide. If she thinks about other people before herself in situations and she has a beautiful heart that's who I like but then you add what type of music what types of food all guys are different we all look at girls different we all feel things different and we see things different if you're looking for the whole package if you're just looking for what they look like then I don't have a clue
Yes, to some degree also changing over time and place.
Some traits like the right proportions, symmetrie are universal.
However stuff like weight or bodyshape change over time and from person to person.
For example, not too long ago the most beautyful was super thin, just skin and bones, now the ass can't be thick enough.
Or look at renaiscance paintings, all the women have almost plus sized bodyshapes.
There are some characteristics that are broadly seen as beautiful and some where opinions vary.
Being healthy and of healthy weight, and no obvious deformities is attractive to most people. Other things like hair color, breast size, musculature, tattoos, height, skin color etc can vary a lot person to person
Yes, but subjectivity always has patterns governed by the objective reality we share. For example, people might vary a bit in terms of how much salt to put in a soup (pro chefs usually use around 0.5%), but put something ridiculous in there like 5% salt and everyone will find it too salty.
At some level of course it is, but then again what we westerns like follows a lot of standard rules, and what humans have always liked in terms of looking healthy has been fairly consistent thou-out history.
Focus on being healthy to cover most of your basis then start working on the target culture & group spesfic standard.
To some level I’d say yes.
Theirs of course certain people or traits that commonly viewed as more attractive and in that sense id say it’s not subjective.
It’s like the “I’m a Barbie girl” song.
While music taste is mostly subjective the vast majority of people who hear it really don’t like that song and in that sense it’s an objective fact that the song is bad.
It's subjective to a certain degree. There's truth to the saying "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", but of course there are those who a majority finds attractive/unattractive. Although the latter can vary a lot depending on region/country too.
So to summarize; In general it's subjective, but it's not that black and white.
Yes, to a point but there's also a general consensus where the immense majority will come into agreement on what looks appealing and what doesn't.
What percentage of people will actually say a young naturally looking Kim Kardashian isn't good looking? Maybe 1% of the human population at most.
You can't be serious.. Actually I've heard a lot of people saying that Kim Kardashian isn't that attractive, wven when she was younger
@PhantomMenace22: Obviously not everyone is going to think she's a attractive but general consensus will agree she is pretty.
Most people I've spoken to in real life or online, think she's average at best and there are way more attractive women than here. There are 7 billion people on the planet. Your opinion isn't a general consensus
@PhantomMenace22: Like I said only about 1% of the world population would think Kim K isn't attractive. 99% will think she's pretty.
1% out of 8 billion people is several millions of people.
Again that's your own OPINION. You're unable to interview the rest of the world population, so you can't know for sure, what they think. I know that by South East Asian and Asian beauty standards, she wouldn't not be considered attractive
@PhantomMenace22 Well I'm South East Asian and I think she's pretty, but yes, I do think my country of origin (where I was born, not where I grew up), DOES view dark skin as a bad thing unfortunately. But that shouldn't matter. I am sure that girl has a lot of dating/marriage prospects. I've seen uglier women than her in the U. S. that are not only married but they are moms.
She is hot af
One of my childhood dreams is fuck Kim Kardashian
@TenderFantasy Has nothing to do with her skin color, but her facial features that lack harmony. Her face is a bit long. I can name lots of women, prettier than her, such as Jisoo from Blackpink
In ancient times, men loved fat and large women. because they thought they were strong, with access to food, able to raise their young well. so the perception of beauty was like that at that time, now it's completely different. In short, there is a social consensus. but only as the main criteria. other than that, if we go down to the details, beauty is quite subjective.
Yes, absolutely. My beauty standards might not be your beauty standards. Which is why people choose different looking people to date/marry/have sex with.
Great answer. I don't get how some people say that beauty is objective. I mean if we look at different populations/ethnic groups throughout history, beauty standards change from place to place and time to time
@PhantomMenace22 Thank you. Exactly, that's point! Beauty standards are different for different people.
@PhantomMenace22 You can click on the 3 dots at the top on the right. However, you can't change the topic, only moderators can do that. But first see if the question fits in any of the report reasons, if it doesn't then contact a moderator to change it.
Yes, there are other moderators that you can contact. Any user who has a "M", a "S" or a "U" next to the their profile picture is a moderator. I've noticed that PrettyPriya left which is a shame. I didn't know about SueShe.
@menina yes I did click on the three dots and reported the question, but nothing happened. I assume that the mods have a lot of job, so sometimes they might not notice some of the reports
I used to tag PrettyPriya on the post, which was very convenient. She was always objective in her decisions and gave helpful answers, so it's a shame that she left
Are you a supermod? Maybe you check this post out then?
Since it contains children images, maybe it should be moved on Howdoilook for security reasons, as there are a lot of weirdos on the Internet
Do you think me and my boyfriend had similar features when we were kids? ↗
@PhantomMenace22 Well, you have to wait. If the question doesn't get removed it's because the administrators don't see a reason to remove it.
Mods are responsible for reporting posts that are against the rules. But the final decision is up to the administrators. But yes, mods have a lot of work.
Yes, she was. And she was also very patient. I agree that it's a shame.
@PhantomMenace22 Yes, I am. Someone already moved it. But thank you for the warning, I appreciate it.
That's true, there are.
They are beauty standards and that's what people unconsciously perceive as beauty however if you train yourself to not get attached to it you'll find out that even some imperfections can actually be something you find attractive you just wasn't paying attention to it because of society
It's MOSTLY objective. We as a society tend to agree on beauty standards if beauty were NOT objective there would be no supermodels and male models.
But outside of that you CAN find someone subjectively beautiful or handsome based on your own biases orthier actions.
No what we find attractive can be a lot of subjective things. But beauty and looks is far less subjective. We biologically seek out simetry and indicators of good health. That is what creates beauty and what we find good looking. The difference is just where on that scale we find attraction due to our ability to access those levels of beauty long term.
Yes, want a perfect example, people find Kim Kardashian attractive or hot or whatever, I find her repulsive, not cause she's ugly but only cause she isn't attractive to me personally
Yes because I may find someone attractive that others may not
I believe it is. There are some celebrities people call attractive, handsome and pretty and I don’t see the appeal.
I definitely think so. I've seen hot guys with really ugly or unattractive (at least to me), women partners, and vice versa!
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